 worth going ahead and getting started. Not familiar with whether the meeting needs all of the Robert's rules of order pieces that a school board meeting would have and I'm assuming it doesn't, but if it's supposed to and I'm not doing that, this is all Jim's fault, just so we all know. But so I think we can consider the meeting called to order and the first item on the agenda is public comment. And obviously once we're done with this piece, Sue and Keisha are gonna take over and rock us from there. So are there any members of the public who would like to speak at this time? Hearing none, I will go ahead and pass it over to Sue and Keisha. Thanks so much, Mara, that was probably a lot easier than you thought it would be. And so I think that still means though, given the number of people in here and some unfamiliar names and faces, that there are still people who are here from the public. So we just wanna make sure you know that there will be a segment where we go into smaller breakout groups and ask people to share stories and we invite you to participate in that as well. I think it's a little bit less jarring if the public is there to not be kind of flies on the wall for something pretty intimate and to feel welcome to share your own story about why this topic matters to you. So we just wanna make that clear now and appreciate your engagement in this topic. Sue and I do this work across Vermont, particularly we have done this work outside of Vermont as well. But certainly we have seen an increase in soul searching and people engaging in the community and wanting to understand these topics better in the wake of George Floyd's murder. And just as we acknowledge that thousands more black and brown Americans have lost their lives in the pandemic than in a disproportionate way to white Americans. And that these confounding elements of what's happening in society along with other things going on in politics and recent elections certainly have us all on edge emotionally and in terms of trying to hopefully better understand one another in our communities and in our state. So we really value the committee staying engaged with us and being part of this work. We value people from the public working with us as well and we value the community and the kind of city leadership and school leadership for making this conversation possible. So I just wanted to start there. We really wanted to make this first meeting about building trust and getting to know one another and sort of forming guiding principles and norms rather than kind of jumping right into the charge of the committee, which is significant. But I think that could really get people in a kind of different space than they need to be to hear one another on such an important topic as the safety of our young people and how we keep our community safe and how we keep a common trust with one another. So with that said, I just wanted to pass it over to Sue to have people introduce themselves. And sorry, it was just getting ready. If you are coming in after I made this announcement, we suggest and sort of hope that you will put in your name, your name that you want to be called, like your first name and how it might be pronounced or if it's a nickname and your preferred pronouns. And Sue might have some of that repeated, but it would be good to help remind people. Thank you, Kasia. Welcome everybody. We're so happy to be with you. And we, as Kasia said, she and I have been doing similar work around the state and doing some of this work in New England as well. I just want to re-edit right. It's a really trying time for a lot of us and we are hoping that tonight we can kind of pause and take a deep breath and really set the stage for this group that's about to embark on some very important work together. And so we're going to talk a little bit in a few minutes about how we're going to approach this, but the very first thing we want to do are some introductions. So what we'd like to do is invite each of you and I'll just go around and call on people just to make it a little easier. We'd like to invite you to share your name, what you'd like to be called, your connection either with the school or with the Montpelier area. We want to ask you to share one thing people might not know about you. And then the third thing is we want you to just briefly, if you can, say why it matters to you to be part of this committee that's just forming. So your name, your connection with the school or the community, something people might not know about you and then a brief description of why it matters to you to be a part of this work. So I'm just going to go across the screen and Mara, I'm going to begin with you. Awesome, thank you. So my name is Mara Iverson. I use she, her pronouns. I work for outright Vermont in my professional job. So one of my most fervent passions is advocating for LGBTQ plus young people. I am on the school board. A thing that not everyone might know about me is that Halloween is my favorite holiday and so we're just coming off of 31 days of the best time of my life, except for it was weird because COVID so it was weird good days. And I think that there was one more, oh, why we want to be involved in this work. I'm really excited and interested to be having a conversation about what justice in school looks like for youth because holding youth when mistakes are made and holding ourselves in space when something isn't going as well as we want or situations don't feel good. Those are the times I think that we most need to really consciously choose how we're going to be together and I'm excited to have that conversation. Thank you so much. And Edie, I'm pleased if I pronounce your name incorrectly, please say it so we have the right pronunciation. Hi, I'm Edie. I use she, her, he, him and they, them pronouns. I'm a genderqueer and a spec student at Montpelier High School. I'm a junior. Something else about me. This feels like a very uninteresting thing to say, but I love my dog. I really love him. And I just wanted to put that out there about myself. And it's important to me to do this because even as an LGBT student, I do my best to recognize my own privilege and I want to give to my community knowing that. Great, thank you so much, Edie. And Will. Hello, I'm Will Alexander, he, him. I'm the faculty chair of the Writing for Children and Young Adults Program at Vermont College. So that's what I do here in town. And that's also indirectly my connection to this. I serve on the diversity, equity and inclusion committee at the college. And I'm, most of my job is talking to a whole lot of YA writers. And so the business of creating things, adults creating things for teenagers and presuming that we know what teenagers need and not always being correct about that presumption. And many of the debates that we've been engaging with as a nation, as a community have been focused and intensely present in the field of YA literature for a while. And so I'm, yeah, I work with we need diverse books. Sometimes I'm used to that. I'm used to this conversation and I'm thrilled by the opportunity to have that conversation in a, in a way that really directly matters. So, thank you. Thank you so much. And Susan. Hi, my name is Susan Koch and I am a teacher in the Montpelier Rocks Berry School District. I've been teaching first grade and kindergarten in Montpelier for 12 years now. And I've been teaching in different Vermont schools. And I also live here in Montpelier. I'm comfortable with the she, her pronouns. And I have children that have gone through the Montpelier Rocks Berry School District. So I have wearing a couple hats here. It's really important to me to do this work because I think it's really important for kids to feel safe. Otherwise they can't access learning and I'm in the business of learning. So that's why I really was eager to be on this committee to ensure that our learners feel safe. And one thing that you might not know about me is that I am very interested in throwing and catching a boomerang. And I have done that several times in my life and I'm still working on it. And I don't know why but I find it really interesting. Great, thank you. And Jen. Sorry about that. Hi, everyone. I'm Jen Wall Howard and she, her and I am the assistant principal at Montpelier High School. I was asked to be on this committee because I've been at Montpelier High School for 27 years and to bring my experience with all different, I guess, waves of whatever happens in our society from my perspective at school. I am glad to be here though. I would like to hear other voices. We're pretty isolated at the school. Of course we see students all the time but I don't get to see community that often. So I'm glad I'm gonna be part of this. Something you don't know about me. Well, nobody really knows me here except maybe Eliana a little bit and Amanda. But I'm a drummer in a Kletzmer band. That's my secret world here. Thank you, Jen. And Joan. Hi, everyone. I'm Joan Javier Duvall. She, her pronouns. I've lived in Montpelier since 2014 with my spouse and are now almost seven-year-old who is a first grader at Union Elementary School. Let's see, there are probably lots of things you all don't know about me. I know a couple of people, but mostly not any of you. I grew up in Chicago and I'm a second generation Filipinax. My parents both immigrated from the Philippines in the mid-70s, which is an important part of my life experience and identity. I guess I wanted to be a part of this committee for a lot of different reasons. Partly, you know, I've in my, what you could say is a short time here in Montpelier, feel like there have been a number of ways in which conversations about racial justice and inclusion and safety have come up. And it just feels like a really important conversation and one that really calls on us to listen really closely and deeply to one another and to, especially those in our community who might not always be listened to. And that feels like a conversation I really want to be a part of. Thank you, Joan. Emma. Hi, my name is Emma Bay-Hanson and my connection to the community runs pretty deep, but I am currently a new member of the Montpelier Roxbury School Board. I've been serving since about May. And, but I'm also a parent. I have two kids in the district, one at Union School and one at Main Street Middle School. And I'm also an alum, so I graduated in 1995. And I think my math serves me correctly that maybe Jen was there when I was at Montpelier High School, but I don't know in what capacity. That's right, yep, I was there. So something you might not know about me is I have driven across the United States of America eight times and why does it matter to me to be involved in this? It just feels like, first of all, my background is I was a high school social studies teacher up until last year. And for me, being a lifelong learner and then also encouraging children in particular teenagers, and I was very, very happy to see how many of our local students applied to be on the board. And I think it's really important for them and for the whole community to engage in the democratic process. And so I see this as a time, there comes times in our culture, in our history, where we need to sort of step back and examine some of our systems. And I think this is one of those times. It's important to amplify voices and perspectives of marginalized people. And I think we can all agree that in the media these days, we've been seeing a lot happen with people of color in regards to police officers. So when I heard that members of our local community were feeling some tension with the school resource officer, I felt like it was time for us as a community to examine our values around that role and listen to these voices. Thank you, Anna and Catherine. Hi, I'm Catherine Nunnally. I have a first, a fourth and an 11th grader in Montpelier-Rotsbury schools. We've lived in Montpelier for five years. And gosh, it took me a long time to think of something. And this is not very exciting, but in college I started out as a fashion merchandising major. So I really enjoy design, but I ended up as an English major, which is really my first love of reading books and writing. Why this is important to me to be on this committee. I've always thought of myself as an adult, as an edifier, somebody that builds people up and a connector, a bridge builder. Or I've striven for that. I don't know if people think of that of me, but I think that's a really important thing for people to be. And it just seems like there is a lot of hostility, a lot of assumptions being made. And I just wanna use this opportunity to unify and also to have people's voices listen to and I wanna learn from that and really create a solution to the problem. Great, thanks Catherine and Amanda. Hi everybody, my name is Amanda Payne. I use she, her pronouns. I am a school counselor at Montpelier High School. I just started this job in September, like September 1st. So pretty new, although I was at the high school a couple of years ago in a part-time capacity. I'm also a co-advisor for our school's GSA, our Gender and Sexuality Alliance. Something you don't know about me, Edie, when you said you love your dog so much, I was just like, oh my God, I was just telling my dog how much I love her. Super resonated with me. And gosh, why am I doing this? My job is to support all students and create a safe environment for everybody and create a culture of respect and inclusivity. And I have a very strong passion for restorative justice. I'm involved in restorative justice in a lot of ways and really thinking about how to create a restorative culture that really just brings everybody in and doesn't throw anybody out. That makes sense. So I'm really excited to hear from everybody on this committee and learn a little bit more. Yeah, got it. Great, thank you. And Eliana. Hi there, my name's Eliana Moorhead and I'm a senior at MHS. Something you might not know. I can do like 50 push-ups at once. So that's fun. I wanna be here because I'm excited to reevaluate the relationships that we wanna see and be a part of in our school and just spreading to the rest of the Montpelier community as well. And a few summers ago, I did this project in New York City where we sort of like looked at alternatives to incarceration and that sort of I've wanted to bring that to my school since then. And I think that this is the perfect time to do that. I mean, oh, I have them, but yeah. And sort of just like looking at the actions that people take and the stories and experiences that influence them. And so we could kind of hold it together instead of just making everything so boxy and strange. But yeah, that's it. Thank you, Eliana. We appreciate you being here. And we're gonna go to you next, Zach. My name is Zach, he's here with pronouns. I'm a sophomore at MHS. So that's my connection. Something you might not know about me. I have lived in five different states. Some of those states multiple times. So I've moved around a lot. Yeah, and why I want to do this is I think really what Edie mentioned, like as a way of giving back to the community in ways that I can and ways that will promote restorative justice, along with calling people in instead of calling them out to create more of like a inclusive community, I think is very necessary in learning environment. Yeah. Thanks so much, Zach. And Tony. Hi, I'm Tony Fakis, I prefer, you know, key him pronouns. And I was asked to be on this committee to see and just to be as a resource essentially from the city's perspective. I retired from the Montpelier Police Department and I graduated from Montpelier High School in 1984. And my older sisters also came up through the Montpelier School System and I live in Montpelier. So I just love, absolutely love what I've been hearing so far, inclusion, restorative practice, all these things. And personally for me, I'm just anything that I can do to help bring this community together more so and almost tune out the national conversation, if you will, because it doesn't reflect the values of Montpelier that I'm so proud of. And as far as anything unusual about me, well, I have a real interest in underwater archeology and a dive master. And so the preservation of our underwater cultural resources and history is important to me. So that's it. Thank you, Tony. And Pierre. Hello everyone, my name is Pierre Cotton. I'm the new guy on the block. I'm the assistant principal at Main Street Middle School but also I have a lot of connection. I actually received my masters at Union Institute and University with Emma B. Hansen. And I spend a lot of time in Montpelier when I was a cadet at New York University. Something that's, I guess, interesting about me or people really probably don't know is that I think I live in two worlds. I was raised in Regime Beach, Virginia, with my grandma, lived in poverty in the hood and kind of worked my way out and went to college. And my goal in high school was to graduate just high school and never knew that I would be here now. So I feel privileged to be on this committee. But living in two worlds is, I'm married to a wonderful woman, I have a blended family and able to have really great conversations about, and she's white, about race and equity and unity. I think the problem is we're not having conversations with each other and we're really communicating and not just one side, I think every side. One reason that I wanted to be on this committee is that I would tell the students and the faculty at my school that my job is to make sure that everyone feels and is safe physically and mentally. And since I've been an administrator, that's been my number one goal. So I think that this committee will definitely give us some answers to do that. So thank you for your time. Great, thanks so much, Pierre and Jay. Hi friends, my name is Jay Erickson. I'm comfortable with he-him pronouns. In my official capacity, I am the representative of the Montpellier City Council on this committee, but I should feel like it's also worthwhile adding that I worked with the school district in 2017 and 18 as the project manager for the new playground at UES and had a lot of interaction with the SROs throughout that process. I'm also a father. I happen to have a one boy at Union, one boy at MSMS and one boy at the high school all at once this year. So I think I bring a unique perspective to this process but I'm excited to listen and learn to all of your perspectives as well. If there's one thing I would add is or that you might not know about me is given the pandemic, boy, I miss popcorn on Friday. I miss being a part of, as a parent, being able to go and be a part of the school community because that's what I love. I love so much about Montpellier schools that we are such a community. And I think that informs my perspective as we start this process. So I appreciate being here and I appreciate all, everybody else being a part of this process, thanks. That's great, thank you. I've made a note to myself another time we're gonna find out what popcorn Friday is. So I believe we've had everyone on the committee introduce themselves and I think you're all here except for Jim Murphy who I know is going to be here a little bit later. Did I miss anyone on the committee? Okay, we have four guests that I'd like to also give them an opportunity to just very briefly if you can introduce yourselves and I'll start with Amanda. Hola, everybody, my name is Amanda Garces. I am a Montpellier resident member of the Just School's Initiatives and also a parent of an elementary school and a preschooler. I am really happy to be here to see this work ahead. And just one thing that I wanna say is that this is not just a conversation by the national conversation. These things do happen here in Vermont. These things do happen here in Montpellier. We are not isolated and I just wanna make sure that it's out there. If this is not so I'm like, image of what's happening out there is happening here and we need to do things for change. Thank you. Thanks Amanda, I really appreciate that because we are gonna be talking about the things that we can affect change on. And so Julia, would you like to do a quick introduction? Hi, I'm Julia Shepitz. I use she they pronouns. I am a parent in the district of a first grader and I'm also a therapist in private practice and a social worker. And I work with a lot of teens, middle schoolers and teens. And so just to build on what Amanda said, making sure that we sort of realize the impacts not only of the things that do happen in our community as well as the national conversation that does and the national, it impacts our children in terms of though they're watching it and they're experiencing it and they're experiencing the trauma of the national conversation as well as well as the incidents that do happen here. So here sort of with my trauma informed lens listening. Okay. Thanks Julia. Peter, can you unmute yourself, Peter, there you go. Okay. Peter Kalman, he, him, I'm a lifelong retired educator, taught at all levels from elementary through graduate school and in urban areas, rural areas and suburban areas. And I just want to second what Amanda said, these kinds of communications issues are in every state, in every town, throughout our society, because our country was founded on slavery. Thank you, Peter. And Jolinda. Hi, sorry, I was in the dark so I figured I'd shut my audio or video off. Hi everyone, I'm just kind of listening, observing as long as I can. Let's see, my connection is I am a parent of two UES kids, first grader and preschooler. I'm on the board of Partners in Education, the nonprofit of the caregiver groups and just a resident of Montpelier and someone in love with the town and the community. And it's just a, it's everything that you all have said about why you want to be here really it all resonates. I just want our schools to feel safe for everyone thanks. Thanks Jolinda and Kelly. Kelly, are you with us? Would you like to introduce yourself? Okay, we'll come back to her if she doesn't actually like to introduce herself. So thank you for the introductions. I know that takes a little time but tonight we're actually going to go slow tonight so we can go fast later and just make some of those connections. I'm going to share the screen for just a moment and I just want to share a little bit of information with you. If I can kind of make an announcement there we really try to monitor the waiting room and make sure there's not a disruptive force that appears in the meeting. So we tend to look for people to have their names, et cetera. There's someone in the waiting room that's name is identified as Dash in parentheses that says cartoonist maybe it meant to be cartoonist but I don't know. Does that ring about to anybody because I asked that person to email me or change their name to get into the meeting so I just wanted to check. Oh, okay. Oh, no. I think her son changed her Zoom name and it's a community member named Meredith Warner. So I'm not sure. I was also noticing a couple other additional members of the public that are present that weren't called upon so I don't know if we can take another minute but there was, I think there's Chad and Caitlin. Thank you, Emma. I missed a few people. So Chad and Caitlin, if you want to do a quick introduction, that would be great. Sure. I'll do a quick one. Hi, my name is Chad. This is Amber. We moved to Montpelier a year ago and she is a kindergartener at UES. We're very interested in the conversation around community safety, school safety, how they all connect. I was deeply involved in these conversations in Brattleboro where we lived for 14 years. So very grateful that these conversations are happening and happy to participate in whatever way we can. Thanks. Great, thank you. And Meredith is now here. I am sorry, Meredith. I kind of asked if anybody knew a dash in the room so people have heard a little bit about you. Sorry, sorry about that, kids. Oh, and we're just introducing ourselves as I'm quite interested in being here tonight. My name's Meredith Warner. I live in Montpelier. I have kids. I'm interested in what's going on in the school district. So I thought I'd check it out. Thank you for having me. And Emma, is there anyone else that we missed that you noticed or are we good now? There was, I'm taking notes. So I was taking notes of everybody who was present. And there was, Caitlin Browner Moore was present, but it looks like she left the meeting. So. Okay, okay. Well, if anyone else comes in, we'll have them introduce themselves. So we wanted to share just a little bit of information. Tonight, basically after we do this introductory stuff, we're going to break into two groups and just have a chance to give you a chance to share some of your stories and experiences. And then we'll talk about next steps. Before we dive into those conversations, Keshia, I just wanted to share with you, we did introductions. Some of the guiding principles that we felt were really important when the school district approached us about potentially helping with this work. We felt that in order for your committee that has some really important work to do to be successful, here are a few principles that we felt were important. Of course, we feel it's that students have to be a central focus throughout the work, that it's important to prioritize people who come from the most impacted communities around the issues that are being discussed. We thought it would be good to have a well-rounded group of folks with both formal and informal decision-making power. It's essential for this kind of work to have time to build relationships and trust so that when you get to the places where you might not all agree on solutions, you have a foundation to fall back on. It's important to establish and honor group agreements to guide the work. And that the identification of shared values is a really important step to inform your recommendations. Again, if we can find some values that you hold together that will help you if you're having disagreements about strategies. And then finally, we think it's very important for you to have opportunities to look at data and research so that our conversations can be informed by that. And having said that, we're going to go to the next slide, which is just giving us a chance to establish some group agreements. And these are things that the group will fall back on, norms, ways that you all wanna interact to be successful. And so what I'm going to do is I'm just going to get out of here so that I can actually add to this. And I just wanna invite people in the group, if you have suggestions for how you wanna conduct yourselves as a group to help people feel like they can have a frank and productive conversation, say what they need to do the work that you're here to do together. So I'm going to pause and allow you all to suggest them and I will write them down. Sue, while people are thinking, maybe Jim and Beth could introduce themselves who just came in and started this. Hi, Jim. Yeah, hi, yeah, hi all. I'm gonna go off camera for a bit again. Yeah, I'm Jim Murphy, I'm the chair of the board. I'm sorry, it's late, I had to actually teach a class till just now. And yeah, no, sorry, this is the beginning and very glad to be here. But I'm one of the three board members on the committee. Great, great. And Beth. Hi, I'm Shabnam Beth Nolan. I am a parent at Union Elementary, the three kids in our school system too at the elementary school one coming in eventually. And I use she, her pronouns. And I also am a person who identifies as a woman of color, Middle Eastern. And I'm not sure what else you were hoping for for introductions, but I am glad that this conversation is happening. I've also been involved with the Jeff Schools Initiative here, I'm not clear. Thank you, we're happy that you're here. And so first names, do you prefer Shabnam or Beth? That's a great question. Depends on the audience, I'm happy with either. Okay. If you want to just write in your preferred name for tonight's meeting, then we'll honor that. So thank you. So somebody just texted in the chat that one of the group agreements they would like to suggest is listen for understanding. So I've added that. Other suggestions? I would say speaker choose me, especially. No, no. Okay. So Mara is asking who speaks first, whenever possible, let the first voice in response to a question be from a person historically marginalized in our culture. I'm gonna try to copy this and put this in. Kasia, maybe you can check the chat and those suggestions for me. Okay, I didn't see anything coming. They might be chatting to you. Oh, they're chatting to the host. So I'm going to just shorten this a little bit and take the context, but keep the idea. Okay, other ideas? I would say just go step up and step back. I mean, participate, but also make sure that you give lots of room for other people to be heard and to participate as well. I've definitely heard that without a kind of physical ability language included as take space and make space as well. And I saw that Shabnam also mentioned the ablest language. So just anything. And I also, I am going to suggest one that all ideas get a fair hearing. Anything else? I like, go ahead. I like assume best intentions. I often frame let us honor intentions and attend to impact just so that we're holding both the intention and my impact. I see a chat, I can be helpful there. Well, someone wrote this to me privately so I won't name them, but it was a great suggestion. They wanted to clarify, listen for understanding as listen to understand, not to respond. Someone also chatted, avoid jargon. Love it. Very helpful one. It's hard to say confidentiality when we know like Orca's filming and stuff, but we will have small group breakouts. And Orca, I hope you're aware. We're not having Orca like sort of go into a small group breakout. So cool. Then those stories, we're asking people to break out in small groups where you can share more intimately. And that then hopefully would be confidential if you have a takeaway to share to the larger group. Either get permission from the person or make it really general about your reflection of something that's non-identifying to that person's story. Can I, I just, sorry, sorry to interrupt. These are public meetings subject to open meeting law. There's only certain things that can technically be occurring confidence. So while we, I think it'd be careful about what we say, technically everything needs to be in the open to be a compliance of the law. So just be aware of that. Is that Jim? Yes. You have to work it into one group or how does that? I think, I've been facilitating meetings within other districts with public access and they have not gone into the breakout groups and those conversations have not been decision-making conversations, but conversations to help people share stories. And so we're hoping that that works. Okay, Jim, does that sound like that could work for you? Yeah, no, it definitely does. I mean, Orca does not need to be there, but we can't, I don't think we can exclude people from those conversations who want to be there. And, you know, if someone really wants to know what occurred in those conversations, it's not protected. Right, and we, and just to clarify, we are going to invite everybody who's on this call to be in the breakout group, so that people on the committee and our guests are all going to be able to be part of those conversations. I did want to clarify just because it was not at the beginning. And I think most people on the call understand that these meetings are going to be recorded by Orca Media, which is a local public broadcast station. And we don't know how and where it will be used right now, so it could be posted on YouTube as their local channel is typically done, like all of the school board meetings are posted to their Orca YouTube channel. And then it also might be posted publicly on Facebook or Instagram or the school district website. So everyone should just enter every meeting with that understanding that everything that is being said and divulged and the things you don't know about me are all part of the public meeting. Okay. So we will right now not put Orca in a small breakout group. Anyone who's here from the public is welcome to go into those breakout groups. If Orca, if you have a problem with that, whoever is filming, you can write to me privately in the chat and we can discuss or you can say what you need to say. I also just want to keep track of the chat and someone had also written stay present. So kind of try to limit device and use and multitasking. Someone also asked a great question about how we will make decisions. And I think we can wait until the next meeting. That's a great topic that has a lot of other some agreements I think involved. So let's wait on that for next meeting. It's a great question. And someone is asking about having to jump off and getting the meeting recording. So Orca will be present for the whole time. They just won't be in a breakout group. So I think you will be able to see much of the rest of the meeting besides the breakout groups from the recording. So what I'd like to suggest in the interest of time is that we start with these agreements and we can revisit these next time we can add to them. And I've also just put them into the chat box so you can refer to them. And again, the purpose of these is to try to help us have the most frank and productive conversations that we can. So if everyone's okay, could I get a thumbs up from people if you're okay with the agreements that we just came up with together? Okay, I'm doing a quick scan. I think people look like those agreements are going to work. So thank you for that. So now we're going to break into two groups and we're going to have about 20 minutes in these small groups to share some of our stories and go a little bit deeper and then we'll all come back together. And so I'm going to, I'm just looking here to see. So I'll be in the first group and in case you'll be in the second group, I'm going to open these rooms and we'll come back together in about 20 minutes. Can I just say the questions for everyone? Oh, sure. I also had those in the presentation to Keisha, if you want me to share that for just quickly. Sure, I'll put them in the chat too. So everyone has them before they go. And we'll say them out loud, I think, you know, as well the video screen will show on Orca, but the small groups are discussing what experiences bring you a sense of safety and belonging. What experiences make you feel unsafe? What are your experiences with local police? And how have current, and I didn't quite sort of catch this framing Sue when we were going over the agenda, but I take in experiences with growing up in LA with the LAPD into my life with local police. So, you know, I just want to know it doesn't have to be local police that you are referring to. What experiences with the police do you have? Because for many people of color and marginalized folks, they take all their experiences with the police with them everywhere they go. And how have current events impacted your sense of safety? How have issues of bias, racism, and bullying impacted your sense of safety? Again, if you are a member of the public, we invite you to participate as fully as members of the committee because your experiences are really relevant to the work that they're going to be doing. Thank you, Kasia. And so if you are able, Kasia, to put those in the chat, also there they are, wonderful. Okay, so now with that, we will go into our rooms.