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Yeah last time I reported I mentioned that I was writing a seven scene Play hope to have a full draft of it by the end of the fourth of July weekend and I've actually made that and I am spending a few weeks to the It was Required several hours a day because I was digesting over a hundred pages of notes and I didn't feel I had to use every note, but I wanted to be True to them And I was and it was exhausting and I'm happy and so the next few months Next few weeks till the end of the month. I want to just Do what I think of as take passes at it just read it to smooth it out not major Rewrites, that's the second draft and and we'll actually require structural things Here's my question inspired a little by a few questions yesterday Particularly the question. What do you do when you're? secondary characters Carry you away. This isn't so much that but as I mentioned to you before this is very much a stage play because it's about three Old people at a home for retired Performers and they cannot give up their space because their landlord is trying to get rid of them So it requires that space Corona virus gave me the frame for it because the second time in my life. I have seen my kind I'm 68 years old treated like so much trash The I'm a gay guy the first time was when I was on the front lines of the AIDS epidemic and gay guys were treated like trash So that's what allowed me to totally reframe that hundred pages of unwieldy notes. That said Like yesterday's questions I keep having these ideas about can I take segments of it and Make shorter pieces perhaps Can be used outside of the traditional theater space But and one all that's interesting to me and still is I liked a lot your answer about not letting your secondary characters Carry you away from what really should be your focused goal of getting this piece at least At least to a point where you feel good enough about Letting other people the people you trust see it and things like So I guess long and I know that you early on in your career would read sections of your plays and Poetry readings and so that was like multi-purposing I saw a part of and One of one of your pieces that was quite wonderful and another piece that I think maybe eventually found its way into Venus But I'm not a hundred percent sure. So you've Done that. Do you think it's premature to start thinking of things like? well, will this little piece be good if we actually bring it to a nursing home itself, but Even want us in the middle of the pandemic. So, you know Well, there's a well first of all Jim huge Congratulations because I remember last time we spoke if I remember correctly You were talking about your beautiful play and you said, you know How do we go forward not even knowing if there's gonna be theater? You know traditional theater and we talked about stepping out on faith and you're you're an old Warrior who knows how to do that already and I appreciated the opportunity to get to talk about it with everybody And it sounds like once again, you have done that. So it's really fucking bad ass that you that you have Met your deadline your finish line. So congratulations. That's huge. So now you have this beautiful draft And you have a couple of questions one will Will we get to perform it in the way that you and you know envision it and I say yes I say yes, it's gonna happen. We're gonna it's not gonna be next week But you know, I just got off the phone with some people. I'm doing some some TV work for you know plan you know mindful people not just Knucklehead governors who want to just open their state because I'm talking about mindful people are really putting plans in place to To find ways to reopen our traditional spaces of gathering. So, you know, so there's there are plans afoot and people are Very serious about it. I think eventually yes There will be a theater space for your play in the meantime. Aren't you lucky you get to do your rewrites on your play Now that's so that's so for that question Put it in the yes box, right two thumbs up. It's gonna be great. Take this time now this gift of time To do your rewrites as you've you talked about them. The other thing do you do we think that there are smaller pieces or or? Secondary characters, right who might find Secondary characters in this play who might find Who might have smaller play Is that was that the second question? What I was thinking more of Segments of this play audience and I think a lot of us are rethinking theater not just because we were knocked out of our theaters, but seeing how Seeing the limitations of a theater even though we love it seeing its real limitations For example, there's a stretch a few stretches of the play Where the three older characters are at a big picture window? that Look out on the city, but that picture window doubles as a screen at some times So night I had a vision of oh my god. What if we did this on a roof and There are like close roofs and some people are looking out over and there are made Maybe only three or four people on a given roof But if you have six roofs and I live in the East Village, so we're close enough for this shit, right? And Trisha Brown a generation ago used to do in downtown, New York dances where We're on different roofs and almost semaphore sick, so it's it's things like that. Can I be Thinking about non-traditional spaces But but in some ways I answered my question. I loved what you said yesterday about Keep your eye on this one thing, but keep your notebook too for and doing passes of this Too long draft of that. I'm just going to have to eventually trim down might Be a time not so much to think seriously about that, but just make a note This is a sequence that will be good for this this for this Mm-hmm. And also Jim knowing very little about your play except what you've told me in this context Um, are you said they're performers right these people? Yes, they're actors former. Yeah. Yeah, are they Are they working on any material right now? Do you know where I'm going? No, I'm done What I'm asking is there an opportunity to create little Plays in play of scenes that they might be working on. Yes That could be in your play but also Not it, you know separate from your play in extension. They're actually are there already But I had those two I Know that there's a segment of a few of them. They actually The you know the landlords rep becomes their captive audience for Okay, okay, that's great. That's great. That's awesome. It sounds great Jim. It sounds really great And just give me a moment to thank this whole class I can't tell you how Inspiring it is to see this grid of faces my first few weeks in this class I went by howl round And live streamed and it was wonderful But it still is a whole different thing if you're actually a performer up there on this grid So I want to thank all you particularly those of you who come back day after day after day It's so inspiring to see everybody Working away at whatever your project is. So thanks For being my lifetime Thank you, Jim You're amazing. Thanks Jim. So happy to know you Thanks Jim. All right, up next we've got Bernita. Are you there? Can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Bernita. How you doing? Hi everyone. Hi SLP. Hi Audrey um get to be here and um My question for today, please um kind of piggybacks A bit off of like I feel so inspired hearing writers meeting their deadlines whether it's like their own deadlines um And so what's coming up for me today? It's like the last couple of times I shared I talked about these articles you know writing more than one article around a different perspective related to Black Lives Matter and This particularly pulled out for me is a piece of sound Black men's mental health and breaking down stigma around mental health in the Black community. Um, I also have another the piece I We talked about like be smart going hot would be smart as I want to talk about my experience being a consultant in And and and feeling racial bias In companies that I've worked with so both of these pieces are still open-ended. I haven't finished either one um I'm working on kind of alternating working on both But what's coming up for me is like I find often in my experience like sometimes I have time periods where I like I am on fire and I Turn these articles out and this is like boom boom boom, which is what I very much felt with my piece around George Floyd You know just within a few days and I was just like in it and got it out and then I get into these like laws Where like it's just like this arduous thing to try to get my thoughts together I don't know if you remember way back one of the first things I shared about I was working on the piece around gratitude And COVID-19 that took me about a month to put together um all in total so All that to be said is like sometimes I feel like I'm late By the time I get my thoughts all together to put something out in the world um, and then I also know that um, the big part of my vision is to write and that long term I want to Earn primarily from my writing. So I feel this like anxiousness around like how will I ever be able to Earn if I'm not able to consistently meet deadlines Whether they're like my own deadlines to be relevant relevant to what's happening now or if I was writing for someone deadlines, so any thoughts Sure, and it's it is um that is the thing about making money And through your art through in your case in my case through our writing, right? And we have these deadlines or finish lines Sometimes I like to call them because when you're going all across finish I you know your hands up and you're like smiling and all that kind of stuff So I like to envision myself crossing a finish line, you know But that is a good point. Sometimes you're on fire and sometimes you're like it's like Like walking through molasses or quicksand or whatever I think a daily writing practice is very important Okay And you know and sometimes, you know, I mean the couple things one thing if you're doing it sound, you know Journalism or nonfiction. There's a window of opportunity you feel I got to get it. I got to Get it out there quick, you know, I mean so it can still be relevant But if you miss that little window of opportunity, just try Maybe you go back a little bit And the time that it takes you to write it might give you more perspective Okay So don't feel like I got to throw it out because the window of opportunity was just two days and I missed it And now I don't have anything to say or now what I have to say isn't going to be listened to Does that make sense? So you can pull back and gain some perspective and gain some some some wisdom from that Um, but the day-to-day cycle of your writing process I'm the same way as you vernia. Some days it's like easy. Oh writing's fun. Some days it's like, ah writing's awful I hate it, you know or making music or the several different artists artsy things that I do You know, sometimes it's hard and I don't you know what? I don't fucking feel like doing it You know and I get attitude and everything and I look with anger on my notebook or my laptop or my notebook and my laptop and Or my guitar or whatever. I'm mad And I really work to sit down with the instrument or the laptop or the notebook anyway Right and if you can keep doing that So the Joyce Carol Oates quote which I'm going to mango, you know, sometimes when my soul is as thin as a playing card I write anyway So if you can keep putting that time in regardless of your mood right Um, so you got maybe 20 minutes a day 20 minutes three times a day if you're working toward the finish line, you know Um, does that does that make sense to you vernia? It does and I um, I actually feel that I It really I really resonate with the pulling back And that that was part of my experience with um One of the pieces I did uh recently on a on an interview subject, you know, the interview subject You know broke the internet back in february But the piece I wrote on her in april Had a totally different perspective that no one had touched on so that I guess it's encouraging that um Because I I I I can't I could never picture myself necessarily being a like traditional journalist That's like working for a newspaper turning out, you know, the news of the day, but I love crafting thoughtful well research commentary or Gave me voice, you know sometimes tied to my own personal experience that kind of captures the the The way we live in the world I mean, yeah, and for I I I'm glad that that pulling back resonates with you because you can even use that technique to write about historical Incidents, you know what I mean, I mean you weren't there during the I don't know March on Washington or the Tulsa riots, you know the Tulsa massacre actually, you know, but you can pull back And take a look at it. So that actually broadens literally it broadens your horizons Okay It's um, I've improved a lot. So I'm just gonna commit to the group to my uh, at least 20 minutes a day No matter what There you go. By any means necessary. We say I okay. Thank you, Renita. Thank you, Renita All right, I've actually got Laura Laura are you there? Yep. I'm here. Hi. Hi everybody. Um, yeah, I just want to thank you and thank everybody for the conversations about the, um The the main character having trouble with the main character and Making the the side characters a little More fleshed out because I I said I come to that realization recently and so all the conversations we've been having here has actually Really been helping me. So thank you because now I'm starting to To get her more lifelike and that's really exciting. So I just wanted to say that first um But my next question is just a nitty gritty practical question In one section I have a character who's from new england just very smart small little chunk, but I really want the character to have Um, you know a working class new england dialect accent and I'm trying to put it down on the paper and It's just looking really stupid I you know, is there a I don't know what what what guidelines might you have for helping with Creating a the sound of a dialect on paper Yeah, well, um, I would first ask where in new england are they from where in new england? Well, I'm I'm thinking I'm hearing it more as a main accent Okay, but I I oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no main is good. I just wanted I wanted to hear you say Yeah, because new england, you know, it's big Yeah, right and people in main as you have pointed out you're hearing it as a main accent so they folks in main and in different parts of main but I'm just thinking of the bar harbor accent is very different from say new england Boston accent or a new england to say Connecticut accent, right? So we know that it's it's it's it's very different very different Uh, it's it's um, it's tricky with with with dialects. Um I would suggest initially sparingly Very sparingly right Indicated in the actual shape of the words sparingly just to try uh, how many have you Written it already and you're rewriting it or you're writing it for the first I've written. I've done the first pass at it So I'm I'm gonna I'm rewriting it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So so maybe so you've tried it already So probably sparingly so you can lean into it a little more. I would say maybe um Think of the vowels Okay, think of the inconsonance and think of the adjectives surrounding the words Do you know what I mean? So you can Get a lot from um Um, for example, if you wanted to she spoke she spoke like a traditional new yorker It sounded like she was yawking a lot for example. You see what I mean? So you put the you put a description in the mind of the reader instead of trying to talk like that You know like a you know a traditional new yorker or what, you know, I just you know, or a southern drawl You know instead of draw All across the page Right, you know, you could say she she drawled like a a mint julep drinking You know, southern or at the kentucky derby, you know, you can you can frame their the language with description That will give your added information about how to hear it Yeah, fantastic. Does that help? Yeah, it does. It helps a lot. Yeah. Yeah, okay try that and then next pass Maybe we'll try something else You don't like it, but no, I like I'm interested in seeing if that is effective. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks, Laura Um, all right up next. We've got Christina Hi, hi How are you? Hi, good. Happy to see you. Happy to be back I actually was away a little bit because I just finished a play Well, I was home, but I was finishing my play. I had started. Oh, I won't even say 20 years ago Long time ago. I was on the shelf. It was my first play for it. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations And the funny thing it's like Jim. It's also it's about an old lady being evicted It's also about that but it takes place in the 80s for a high rise building but but uh, I I did a zoom reading with actor friends because I'm a director by trade and uh, I did a zoom reading and um And I decided oh, I need to do some I want and I knew the play needed some rewrites but I wanted to really hear it out and I eliminated some things out of the play and now I felt like oh I just wrote myself into a corner because the ending might be different and I don't you know, oh and it's sort of What do you do if you write yourself into a corner sometimes? What's the process? What do you do with your characters or your you know, or your actions or plot or do you have Yeah, yeah, so you write yourself into a corner. I'm just imagining it. You got here But you think you got your back against the wall. I'm gonna be on the corner of my screen. Ah, right Because you've you've made some cuts edits and all that usually what I do is I You know, you're in a I turn around a lot There's always a door Christina You know what I'm saying? There's always a door a window a mouse hole something To to keep to keep it moving, you know Or maybe the corner is a perfect ending for it, you know I mean so So if you're if the cuts and edits you're making up until that point seem good And right and they seem like they're really working for you Then the corner that you're in might be the exactly the corner that you need to be in You know, or you just need to fully inhabit the corner and pat around and see if you can find some kind of door window passageway where you can move to the next scene You know, okay. Does that does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead And even last night I was thinking about I think getting frustrated was brushing my teeth and I was like, well, maybe if I do this But but yes, like like you're saying pat around But but I don't want to lose the theatricality of the ending it and make and force it in that direction Because you know got to let it The character lead the way sort of but but yes, I started seeing a little hint of a light under the door There you go. Right. There you go. Well done. Well done. Sure You're brushing your teeth. You're going about your day. Maybe that could be cool. Oh, what about that? You know, yeah, yeah, and because the main the main thing is like Enjoy the process, you know, which is another way of saying don't despair, you know Enjoy the process. You know, you've you've done a lot of work on this You've taken it off the shelf and you've done a huge amount of work on it. Enjoy the process and May I ask another addition to that question? If I may, do I have it? Sure. You have it here. I know characters at the end, you know, they go through a transition and have an aha moment of spiritual body or mind But what and sometimes they don't and my character kind of is stubborn and set in her ways and and Doesn't is that okay sometimes because that comes sort of it. It's a tragedy in in essence But is that a right to do? Doctor just, you know Makes decisions, but doesn't want to really give up her her way her ideas her her way of life her attitude And so she has a different path Yeah, do people do people around her Have to deal with that? Yes. Yes. Well, that sounds like a play to me. Okay, you know what I mean? I mean, it's it's definitely worth trying It's certainly okay. There are plenty of plays like people just run their shit until they explode. Yo Death of a sales. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Well, it worked for Arthur Miller. It sure will work for you You know what I'm saying, right? Yeah, there you go. There you go. Sure. Sure. Okay. Thank you so much Thank you all for having this platform. It's fabulous. You were the inspiration to have me finish this play after all these years Thank you. Wait. Thank you. Thanks Christina All right, we've got about 10 minutes left and then we're going to go to right now. John John Hi Hi Afternoon Susan. Laurie. How are you? I'm well. Good to see you John. Good to see you. Um, I'm going to give you a shameless shout out Uh-huh. I don't really have a question but I've been rehearsing because of you with what I'm writing. Um, I printed each page out and I did I love this You know, I want to change this That thing about letting it simmer Like I'm the kind of guy that cooks and my mother just said you can't uh, you can't make a watch pot boil And I look at it sometimes like, you know, you're going to get done. It doesn't happen I'm less fearful to practice this with my colleagues on a zoom screen saying hi I created this give me feedback and I've already got my um, I can tell you this What what did this you do that when people are saying not so nice things you smile? I'm shameless Um And because of my friend Rebecca I'm writing 20 minutes a day and today when I was going through You left us with that image of um in editing I was on my horse and just cutting stuff saying, you know, this one So, um, oh last thing Um, I got myself a copy And uh, it lifted my services with the uh, Helen Keller book. Oh, it's uh, you got a different copy. Oh, that's a nice one Optimism. Yeah, it's it's only 10 bucks. But at any rate, um, I'm shameless I I really look forward to telling people honey, you're helping me along. So, uh, That's the end of my shameless shout out for you. Thank you. Thank you, john Thank you so much for that really appreciate it And it's cool because sometimes you can get, um Inspiration or assistance, you know from when you directly ask a question And sometimes we get we and myself included we get inspiration assistance from oh shit sweat I didn't even know I had that question and so it's those Asking it and you know, I get so it it works on on those several levels too, but thank you john Thank you so much. Thank you That's john Um, all right up next. We've got jacob go for jacob So I have a uh, weirdly specific question today. Um, uh, which is that so i'm working on an idea for a play and um I'm working on it for a little while and uh, someone was like, oh you could read this other play that would be helpful for you Um, which i'm always into and I get really excited about and so I read the play and I like hated it um But I hated it in a way that I was like I totally see why I and this person hadn't like had just like talked to me about the play They hadn't like read anything any pages or anything like that But I like I do see I see the similarities with my play and I think the fact that I hate it is like freaking me out Because I'm like like I don't I know I don't want to make that but I don't know what it is about the play It's not bad. It's not badly done. It's it's somebody who's like, you know Super clearly like talented and put in the work and like and so I just like this question of like how do you deal with Work that is like similar But also like trigger something in you and and how to like listen to that and figure out what it is What the thing is that is it feels like it's a warning. It feels like my brain read the play and was like This is a warning of a play a direction not to go, but I'm not sure what it's warning me of I feel like that that fabulous astrologer on on Netflix tonight I think there's going to be a movie about this awesome astrologer. Anyway, um, I don't have those skills Uh a psychic I'm trying but I'm trying to listen clearly to what you're saying And think Is it like I mean, I'm just asking this. I don't know Jacob, but is it is it um Somebody has done it already Is it that although it's not it's not that It's just like so somebody did a really good job doing something similar Not like close enough that I would be worried about ripping it off But it just like didn't like it didn't connect and so now I'm worried that like My story is not going to connect like I'm worried that I'm not going to connect with the story because like I'm not connecting with something that is sort of works the same way I would And so so it's like stopped you in your tracks This a little bit. Yeah And I feel like I'm just like sort of working it over in my head of like what is the Uh-huh. Why do I yeah? Why do I have this feeling of like Something about it is is making you is is put giving you a lot of resistance and you're wondering why am I well? This is the thing we can do it this way We can we can we can I mean and I love talking to you as you know and talk about like what it could be Right or we can go this way. What's the worst thing that can happen if you write your play anyway? What's the worst thing you'll have a play that you've written. What do you think that that Isn't so good, you know, what do you think what's the worst thing that's gonna happen? Yeah, I mean I think the The worst thing in my head would probably be like I think it's hard for me not to fall in love with my work And so I'm like worried I'm gonna like write this play that I would also hate except because I wrote it I won't even I won't be able to see why it's broken And I think like the idea that like I have there's this piece that like I feel like it the thing I read There's like something wrong with it and I can't place it worries me that the thing that I write There will be something wrong with it and I won't be able to place it Right, so would it behoove you to to read the play that you don't like again? Certainly not a bad idea read it read it again And if you think that that's what it's trying to tell you to find out, you know If you can find out what it is about that play you don't like And that will help you avoid it It might draw you to it the the worst but Jake what you know is the worst thing that's gonna happen Is you're gonna write a play That let's just pretend isn't very good And because you love it You don't know that it's not very good and you run around thinking it's really good And people are going his play isn't very good like that like that. That's that's the worst thing that's gonna happen Like embrace that And know that if that happens to you, I'll be like welcome to the club. Jacob should have happened to me all the time People we run around going that play isn't very good Yeah, okay, so you know and and also know that the development process of your beautiful play Is going to be in place and you're really good at taking notes and being self-observant And onto yourself and self-critical in a positive and nurturing way to yourself So you have the skill set to take notes Listen to actors listen to your director or your design team or your producers and do the rewrites necessary So so writing a less than great draft is not going to take away that skill set Okay So it might be a it just maybe it's also an elevation. It's like suddenly you're like You've written all these plays and screenplays and telepays and stuff and you're like I always know when it's good or bad and I know when to fix it Right, that's you Suddenly I don't know when it's good or bad and I don't know when to fix it. Guess what the level of playing has changed Jacob. It's like you were walking on this now. Maybe you're walking on this or Right, it's different level of difficulty Which shouldn't stop you from writing it I would say I mean if you want to waste your time reading the play you don't like I don't know but I would say forget the analysis Go to action You know Give yourself a hard green light. I heard that in a meeting earlier today. It's not just green. It's hard green So give yourself a hard green light and write your play put the time in write it and then you're going to be In the realm of the unknown, you know what I mean? You're going to be you know, and you you're not you're going to be writing in on a level that you haven't been before And that's good Yeah, okay Okay Thanks Jacob Give yourself some time give yourself a hard green light. I heard that in a meeting. I was like dang I didn't even know such a thing existed It does it disney We got about a minute left I'm gonna go to mario Hi Yes, thank you. Audrey So I felt so much of what verneeta was saying earlier and thanks again to everybody that's been a part of this Wonderful class. I feel like you know as somebody that's also trying to write nonfiction or commentary pieces There's this urgency or this feeling sometimes that if you're Missing the boat so to speak or if in fact, you know, the moment has passed somehow your Opinion doesn't matter as much or your voice doesn't matter in that way And I've been trying to write about things related to covet from a different perspective than I see related elsewhere Again from doing narrative medicine stuff. That's kind of where I'm trying to write from And as I'm submitting things out there. Yes, nice to see you again In terms of setting stuff out there, uh, you know in the vacuum of not hearing back necessarily It can feel like oh well this opinion just doesn't matter very much Right or this voice doesn't matter in some way And so I was wondering if you could just maybe share some tips or ideas on how to stay fortified or To stay encouraged when you're trying to put a perspective out there that isn't really necessarily gaining traction I'm sure that this fits into a lot of other genres of writing too, but maybe hurts a little bit more when it's Something that's opinion-based or commentary-based So if you could just say a little bit more about I guess staying encouraged and maybe that tension that we feel between Do I change the voice a little bit so that it does get picked up or not and kind of not wanting to lose your own Sense of self in the midst of that Mm-hmm. That's really that is tricky because there's an added level I mean and verney you were also talking about this. It's great to talk about this that You guys are writing these pieces and then sending them out and you wait Uh, and if it doesn't get picked up right away or it takes a little longer than there's that there's that difficulty Do you have a Writing group or a reading group are there Would that be helpful where you have a group that you can at least Like get some not feedback like you're gonna have to rewrite it But feedback meaning if you were a poet, you'd want to go to a weekly Slam, you know what I mean? You'd want to take something you you've written and you'd want to get up on stage And you want to perform it, you know, is there an opportunity for that to sort of get some I mean because I think what's great about what you're writing is is that you want to see it published You want people to react to it and respond to it if you can do that or maybe a website like your own website or a website with I mean you and verney you guys could some of y'all could get together and have like a website Which is just cool articles to read about stuff. Um You know, which isn't you're not waiting on, you know, whatever I don't know huff posts to to pick it up or anything, you know You're kind of it's like a collective and your friends come and we could I mean we could all start visiting it Reading what you got what you're thinking about what you got to say, you know Something like that. Is there I'm just making stuff up. I'm meet yourself. I think you're talking Are you oh, oh no. Oh, sorry. Sorry. There you go Did it work? Ah, there you go. Okay. Um, yeah, uh, I have like two other Colleagues that we can kind of share information with each other and get kind of feedback in that way But I don't necessarily have like a group or a circle necessarily Um, so it's kind of like one-on-one like hey friend, would you mind reading this and like tell me if it You know catches your attention in a certain way or what's not catching your attention in it But I I think this idea of Following up with some of the other wonderful people that we are all joining together in this endeavor with would be great So for me to hi, I'm gonna I'm gonna say hi to you outside of here, too Right, and then once you guys set up something you can Encourage us to visit your site and then we can be reading it and like be part of your, you know Online community in that way that'd be cool great. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, maria All right, it's six oh three it's six oh three and it's and so we're we got to do that Public theater thing we got to do that public theater thing, you know, and we will be back though on on july 20th On july the 20th, okay We'll see you a lot of love a lot of positive energy. Okay a lot of Do you work? Okay, and we love you. Okay. Yeah likewise. Thank you, matthew. Thanks slp. Love you. We'll see you on the 20th. Okay Bye