 Mae'r cwysiwch yn imbrygol yn Ygyddiadol yn Ygyryddiadol yn Gydaeth Glyweddol ar gyfer hwn. Felly arser yn mynd o'i gael yr edrydd yng Nghymru, ond mae'r cwysiwch yn 937 oes oherwydd yn cydnabol yn Ffrind nerddol. Felly, yn y cwrt y firstio, cydnabol 429 oes o'r cydnabol yn y ddyn nhw, yn llawer o'i cydnabol ar gyfer hynny'n gwybod, Ond ydy'n gwybod yw'r mynd i'r ffordd o'r mynd i'r mynd i'r niw gyda'r ffynol, a'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd. Yn y South South, mae'r rhaniad am y pethau. Mae'n rhaniad o'r pethau o'r rhaniad i'r pethau i'r pethau o'r rhaniad a'r rhaniad i'r pethau i'r Bael, Deltar, rhywbeth, ystafell, a'r maen nhw ymgyrch. Mae'n rhaniad. In the south west, 264 people were kidnapped between 2018 and May 2020 according to media reports. The cases obviously getting out of hand and even family members of leaders and politicians are now being targeted. So the question is, what is the remedy? What's running off to discuss this is Dixon of Sanjay he's a security expert. Dixon is so good to have you join us Thank you for having me on. Yes, for a second there, we thought that we had some reprieve of sorts with the issues of kidnappings and banditry, but it seems to become a thriving business of sorts and more and more of these kidnappings are happening. You and I have had conversations as to why government has not dealt with this situation. Recently the National Assembly has reached out to Mr President to ask him to change the nomenclature of these so-called bandits to terrorists because of their activities, and we're yet to hear from Mr President on that particular matter. So I ask you as a security person who's working within the country, who's seen all that's been happening in the country, what do you think the remedy is to deal with this situation? Thank you very much. It's a worrisome situation and I must confess that kidnapping is taking the light of the day. As the country, we did not attack this, let me just say, the kidnapped market. Before now, the state of Amrapri flourished in Nigeria, but at the rest of Evans, the kidnapper, a lot of people could bring small money, or to look from that period of time, the state of Amrapri reduced and guys began to go into kidnapping because they got to know that Evans made a lot of videos and that was one of the errors from the Nigerian police PRO. Sometimes, when they get most of these amrabas and these criminals, they will parade them in the public, parade them in the public, they will hax these criminals to demonstrate how they carry out their criminal activities. That is an erroneous process by the police system. So that was where the kidnapped market took the boom because the risk implication in kidnapping, Mary Anne, is very low compared to the risk implication in robbery. So going back to what is happening in the North West and the North East, most of these guys have seen that they can no longer be walking in the desert. If I can pick somebody up and make about 200 or 300 million or 20 million, that can fetch me more than 100 cattle. So the cattle market is no longer entrusted to me. That is the problem we have here in Nigeria. If you want to ask me why has the president not prescribed or the government not prescribed the bandits at terrorist group? Mary Anne, terrorism has no universal acceptable definition. Are you with me? The person you call terrorists today could see himself as a freedom fighter. So the reason why the government has not named them terrorists, I don't know, but naming them terrorists is not the way forward. Boko Aram has been named terrorists many years ago. They are still messing up the name of Nigeria in the international community. But I'm thinking because a lot of people, the reason why most people are pushing for the nomenclature change is maybe that the government would be able to deal with it as it is, as opposed to saying, oh, killer hurts men or known gun men. We have so many names out there. Maybe it could be the reason why the government is not pushing as hard as it should. Maybe it could also be the reason why there's some politicisation of handling this issue in the first instance. This is my thoughts. I'm just wondering. But aside from the name change, Governors like the Governor of Benraith State has been very vocal as to these issues of kidnappings and banditry. I mean, we even saw these people go into the NDA. We have seen them capture leaders of thought. We've seen family members of politicians being taken and some of them end up dead. So again, what needs to happen? Because I just ruled out numbers of people who've been kidnapped over the years. What needs to happen for government's hand to be forced to deal with this issue head on? Now, we're not making light of the fact that we have soldiers who are working night and day to keep our borders safe. But what more do we need to happen for something to happen? Because you see, as we speak yesterday, we were mawling over the statement of the AGF on calling on a state of emergency of sorts and they're contemplating it for Anambra. Why? There is an election coming up in November. Why can't we do that in the North West and in the Northeast? Mary Ann, please. The comment from the AGF is sickening. Sometimes I wonder if it's a trained lawyer because you cannot just come on air and say you want to prescribe, you want to set up a state of emergency in the South East. What is the threat level in the South East? What is the risk implication in the South East? We have Boko Haram that has placed us as the third most affected terrorist state in the nation in the world. We have not seen them setting the state of emergency in the Northeast. They are still running their government there with that state of emergency. If just any state that needs the state of emergency, I will advise the government to go for Kaduna State, Zampara State, Castina State, Boronau State, and most of the states that are hit by terrorism. Now, let's come back to terrorism studies. In terrorism, what makes them flourish is publicity. First of all, let me tell you the truth, Mary Ann, because the best thing you can do for your country is to tell your country the truth. The reason why we arrived at this stage is the failure of our leaders. We have made the labour of a hero's past to be vain because there are lines in the national item that say the labour of a hero's past shall never be vain. But since 1999, our leaders from 1999 have worked so hard to ensure that the labour of a hero's past is really vain because they have really messed up this great nation, corruption, embezzlement, lack of unemployment, religious brutality, police brutality, nepotism brutality, ethnocentric brutality, leadership failure has given birth to this point of insecurity here in Nigeria until our leaders go back to the drawing board and are ready to lead us and write and let us know that, hey guys, we are ready to lead you guys because if you are bought the social contract, this is what you get. We suffered so much from the breach of social contract. Our leaders has breached that social contract. What does the social contract enthused? The leaders are supposed to give us good governance, they are supposed to give us education, they are supposed to give our youth jobs, they are supposed to give us good roads, electricity. We are not having all these things and they want the Nigerian people to be obedient, to be law-abiding. It doesn't work anywhere. Social contract must be respected. If for an adventure we've been upholding the social contract between the company of Nigeria, the spread of insecurity won't have risen to this stage. Mary Anne, two years ago, some hoodlums went to the National Assembly. They cut away the mess of the National Assembly. Nothing happened today. That tells you that our leaders are not ready to defend this great nation. So for us to go back to the drawing board and ensure that we have a good nation, our leaders must begin to think and write and ensure that the leaders are all honest. Now, of course, the elections are getting closed. We might just see a bit more seriousness on the part of our leaders. I was speaking to a lawyer some days ago and he sounded more like the government knows what to do, but they choose when to do it. It's just not a disservice to the soldiers who have died in the forefront of fighting this insurgence and the terrorists that, you know, evading our society every day. Is this not a disservice to the Nigerians who the politicians saw to protect and serve? Is this not a disservice to the mothers whose children have been taken away and let's not forget most of these children are still in custody and become wives of these terrorists? These same terrorists have also come back with placards saying that we should forgive them and the government, including the army, is contemplating to reintegrate them into society. What does this say, generally, about this country? What this is trying to let us know about Nigeria is that we are not serious. Nigeria is not serious. We are not serious. Our leaders must be held accountable if anything goes wrong in Nigeria. I personally think that I am disappointed at our leaders. They fear to understand that as leaders they are supposed to be role models. Mary Ann, like you rightly said in your question and frankly speaking, it is a total disservice to our heroes past. It is a total disservice to our soldiers. It is a total disservice to our military, our police, our security agents that are putting their life on the line to uphold the sovereignty of Nigeria. Our soldiers are dying every day Mary Ann. Our police are dying every day and our leaders, our politicians are busy and busy in our forms. They are busy engaging our youths to go and fight against themselves. I am 23 years old right in the corner. Nigerian youths, listen very carefully. You saw what happened about a politician, Professor Mifanika Odeid, having blattered our president, blattered some other people. He has decammed to the APC. I am not against his decampments but what I am trying to say is that these politicians, they are all warm. Let us also come as warm. Let us not kill ourselves for any politicians. Let us not kill ourselves for any leaders. Let us stand in unity to ensure that we move Nigerian forward because truly Mary Ann, all what is happening is a total disservice to the sovereignty of Nigeria and our leaders, they know what to do, they know what to do very right. What is happening to the technological application to our military we are still operating a quark military system in which our soldiers are falling ambushed, getting ambushed by this subject every day, dying in numbers. Our soldiers are training so hard and they are dying cheap. As a soldier you are supposed to train hard and die hard but in this 21st century Nigerian soldiers are training so hard and regrettably they are dying so cheap because our leaders have failed to uphold the territorial integrity of this great nation. They have refused to ensure that they are supposed to serve this nation with all honesty and truthfulness. If anything happened to this great nation we must hold our leaders responsible. That is why at this stage it is a long time failure of leadership. For example, we have good leaders in this great nation. I don't think we should have reason. We have our leaders travelling from their various states to London, United Kingdom, United States to go and carry out medical check-up. Is it not a shame that you are going to another country to go and enjoy good governance? That is a total shame to you. We have good leaders that are supposed to remain in your state put in infrastructure in place and go to your state hospital and get treated. But when you leave your state to go to another country to go and enjoy the good governance of that country you are a total failure to your state. For me, our leaders must push themselves from reality. They must come back to the drawing board and ensure that Nigerians are sitting on the labour for our hero's past must not be vain. Sadria is a security expert. Thank you very much for speaking with us. We are hoping that going forward the situation will change for the better. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all for staying with us. We hope you enjoyed the program. Before we leave you, I want to say, don't forget you can watch a playback of this show on our YouTube channel. Yes, at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. Go follow us and subscribe. We are also on Instagram and on Facebook. I am Mary Anna Cunn. I'll see you next week Monday. We'll leave you with a recap of what we had been speaking about this week. We hear people say that the government doesn't care. These bodies are piling up and they've become numbers. But what do you think the challenge is? Why do you think that disconnect is there between the presidency and what Nigerians are saying or their feeling? I think that, above all other things, there seems to be an absence of a strategy for engaging Nigerian people. This president has his own style. I think that his health has not helped matters and I think we need to take cognisance of that. But you could easily have breached that gap by empowering other institutions and organs of communication. What I see, unfortunately, and for me this is one of the greatest strategies that what I see is almost constantly the president is almost like fighting with citizens and the speech is full of warnings and so on and so forth. Every time there are issues within the political parties, we're going to find as many as three-four different conflicting judgments on the court that comes out in record time. But when it is about human rights, you find the same judiciary, slow-walking, and then in case it's staying two years in court and the person is not saying any judge. There are over 300 Nigerians in Kerikiri, for instance, arrested since the immediate aftermath of NSAT. None of them has been taking the final judge to the court. I think in the last days, the 12th month, and there is a judiciary, so exactly how independent or effective is that judiciary. Now, you look at our media organisations on the African continent and indeed in Nigeria, and you look at the resources that we have to do investigative journalism. I mean, this whole effort was put together by International Conservatives of Investigative Journalists, to ICIJ. The media in Nigeria really is struggling as far as funds are concerned, and investigative journalism is not cheap. I mean, I get people calling into my radio programme to give me information, and then the next thing they say, Mary, are you aware of this, because we hosted a morning radio programme for many years together, and they would say, oh, you are an investigative journalist. Go ahead and investigate. And then I'll say, hey, excuse me, excuse me, hold on. I think it's free to investigate. You think I can just stand up and go. You know, people go to war zones and they have to... How many journalists have life insurance? How many journalists are working in organisations where the basic Medicare via HMO is even guaranteed taking care of? So it is not cheap. We're not doing enough, but Nigerian journalists are doing the best they can. Fine and well, you're telling me that this is an agitation, but I'm trying to understand the part of the agitation that kills your brother. You destroy your own businesses. You destroy buildings and facilities that are in your communities to help your people. I'm trying to understand how this types of agitation would help your cause. Yeah, what is happening in that killing, you know, in any case, just like when they had answers. So criminals catching on that and hijacking us and get with the criminal colouration. The same thing with the agitation that is going on, creating a siege environment, and some people went to bring in some other people from outside the south east that are perfecting the killing. Who are these people who went to bring other people outside the south east? By what we had going on, the people who are the assassins are not evil. They are not evil people. People are hired from outside the south east to settle some scores, sometimes business, sometimes politics. So by the truth or the matter is that the agitation has created a siege environment in the south east. It is a responsibility of the president to impose not the attorney general. So the attorney general has to assume the duty of the president to show something is certainly wrong. Yeah. And you don't know what I mean if it's proper and if it's personal. You know that office. And by the way, the attorney general is a member of the Andrew Barr campaign council. What do you think? The duty, the office of the attorney general is a sacred trust. It's one of the two public offices created directly by the constitution and named by the constitution and written in the constitution. You cannot double it to local politics. Let alone be a member of the gubidener council of any states.