 Call the order the 24th regular meeting of the 2018 2019 Common Council with the clerk. Please call the roll There are eight present in all their person RIN pushes attending remotely. Thank you very much Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance With a clerk, please read the quote for the day. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Life is like riding a bicycle to keep your balance. You must keep moving Thank you very much Next we'll move on to approval of the minutes from our last council meeting all the person wolf Thank you mayor. I make a motion to approve Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Motion passes Next we'll go on to an election of an older person About a month ago Rosemarie Trester tendered her her resignation and tonight we have two candidates that are vying for that position And this has been identified as the date for the election of a new older person to fill the vacancy in district four The council wishes to receive nominations this evening and vote on the vacancy it may do so However, the council is not required to vote tonight on this vacancy The council does have the option to include none of the above or on any ballot that's distributed so with that I Call on all the person wolf Thank you, mayor. I make them I move the that nominations be received from the floor with voting to be done in By open ballot if an option on the ballot does not receive a majority balloting Shall continue until one candidate receives a majority Is there I think we for that support? nominations are open Are there any other any nominations? All the person wolf. I would like to place that in nomination John Holds Holdsward and Betty Rose Ackley second Thank you very much for those nominations And we have a second. Are there any other nominations? All the person wolf Thank you mayor. I move that the nominations be closed Is there a second? Okay nominations all those in favor of closing nominations, please signify by saying aye aye opposed nominations are closed at this time we'd like to see if the nominees would like to come and speak before you vote and I'd offer the Podium to a Betty Rose Ackley first Betty Ann I Did write a statement just because I am terrified of public speaking and I apologize in advance for this However, my name is Betty Ackley I have been a resident of Sheboygan for 10 years and I've resided in the fourth district of my husband Ted and my Four children since 2015 Ted is a native of Sheboygan and his parents were involved in this community His father was with the Sheboygan police department for 31 years and his mother was a beloved German teacher in the school district My husband and I decided that Sheboygan was a great place to raise our family And we have every intention of living here for the rest of our lives I am currently a part-time student at Lakeshore Technical College and I'm the vice president and student council there I will be transferring to UW Green Bay in the fall of this year to continue to pursue a bachelor's degree in psychology I also work part-time as a market research analyst for a business consulting firm as I mentioned in my letter of interest I have found that many residents keep to themselves and are not involved with the community beyond their own backyards or nearby neighbors I am the first to admit I have not attended my neighborhood association meetings But I should have I want to ensure that my area flourishes and I want to see our city grow in a positive trajectory I must look beyond my immediate family and find ways to provide service for my community When I consider this it reminds me of the story about four people named everybody somebody anybody and nobody There was an important job to be done and everybody was sure that somebody would do it Anybody could have done it, but nobody did it Somebody got angry about that because it was everybody's job Everybody thought anybody could do it, but nobody realized that everybody wouldn't do it It ended up everybody blamed somebody when nobody did what anybody could have So I must now ask myself who am I and I the nobody that didn't stand up for my community Maybe I should be the somebody that will do something instead. I realize that there are some hot button issues That have been points of contention such as the armory and the state of our city roads I believe that there must be fiscal responsibility and I understand that not everyone will be happy with every single decision that the council makes However by offering level-headed communication without allowing personal opinions to motivate decisions The Common Council can assist city government officials in allowing Sheboygan to grow for the decades to come. I Realize that some people may feel that a position on the Common Council is a form of a status symbol However, it should be far more than that The city council should be filled with individuals who are willing to discuss civilly the best way to help our city I feel that by communicating with the constituents and bringing their needs and desires to the table the Common Council Can't understand what the people want. However, those who serve must also Maintain not only a fiscal but a moral responsibility to the citizens of Sheboygan to ensure that the city thrives If I am chosen as a district for older person, I can assure you all that I will be involved I will ask questions and If a constituent asked questions, I don't have the answer for I will find the correct person who can answer their question I am not someone with an ego that feels I need accolades for the things I have done I am a resident of district 4 and I believe in my neighbors in my community I feel that there is something I can do to help my neighbors in my district I know that being a representative means professionally representing the district not allowing personal opinions to cloud the vision of the city But listen to the constituents and help the city continue to thrive It would be an honor and a privilege to serve my fellow residents of district 4. Thank you Thank you very much Next I call up John Holtzworth John Hello, yeah, my name is John Holtzworth and I'm grateful for this opportunity to talk to everybody here and Tell you a little bit about myself. I I'll try not to be redundant with anything that I've already stated in my letter of interest but Yeah, I'm born and raised in Sheboygan. I My father was born in Sheboygan my grandfather and my Great-grandfather came here from Rhinewald, Russia. So I I'm pretty comfortable in this town and I it has a special place in my heart. It's It's kind of funny when I travel. I tell people I'm from Sheboygan I keep thinking of my friend from Arkansas Sheboygan. I just love saying the name So I wear my Sheboygan t-shirt when I'm out and about I mean a little more about me as and you've probably read too that I'm I'm hired as a historic demonstrator, you know, and so I do travel a little bit And I never thought I grew up to be the broom maker, but I make I make brooms and put on the straw hat and suspenders and I go to different fairs and festivals and But I'm always happy to come back to Sheboygan where it's familiar, you know, which is I really love being so close to the lake The Kettle Moraine nearby etc. etc. I Really Want to make a difference in my community too, you know I mean I I see a lot of other great things happening in other communities and other parts of the country and I think I'd love to Bring that back to Sheboygan or do something like that in Sheboygan. That would be really cool You know Yeah, so I'm a little bit selfish, but I would like to travel less, you know I'd like to ride my bike here, you know to a job instead of having to take my cargo van five states away, you know, so Yeah, I really I really enjoy being here in Sheboygan and I want I want to give back I want to contribute I You know speaking of my travel too, I mean I I have booked some fairs this year already too So my my busy season is July August September October, but You know, there's still eight months where I'm home And from my understanding that there's a potential to do some remote Connections through a Skype or some sort of remote meetings, which is which is great Because most times I have access to Wi-Fi or Internet when I travel If chosen to to be the older person in District 4, I believe that My communication skills would be a big asset. I've taken some intensives with Subject of nonviolent communication, which is a model of communication developed by Marshall Rosenberg back in the 1960s or 70s And I've also done some other personal growth work, too. So I I See myself as a pretty humble guy and I think that I can bring that humility as a servant To this community Thank you. Thank you very much John We have two very good candidates for this position I think you're gonna have a difficult vote to make but at this time I'd asked Assistant City Attorney Thomas Cameron to distribute ballots Please mark your ballots and Hold them up when they're when you're done and we'll come and collect them and then count the ballots. Thank you Just hold your hand up when you have your ballot finished Ron, who is your vote for please? Thank you Well, congratulations to Betty Rose Ackley. She's our new older person for the fourth district John, thank you very much for your interest. We appreciate it at this time I'd like to ask Betty and maybe they actually to please come forward and We're gonna swear you in and then you can take a seat in the district for position and function as an older person for the remainder of our meeting And we'll just be doing a voice vote for you when we pull the alderman So you will be able to vote on the other items that are coming up on the agenda And then we'll fit you up with one of our little computers so you're all set for a future meeting Okay, next our mayor's appointments to turn it over to Assistant City Attorney Honorable members of the Common Council I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration the newly elected older person Betty Rose Ackley of district 4 to be considered for appointment to the licensing hearings and public safety committee to fill the unexpired term of Rosemary Trester whose term expires April 15th, 2019 And that appointment has to lie over until our next meeting And then we have confirmation of mayor's appointments I hereby submit the following for your consideration Paul Gotzacker to be considered for appointment to the historic Preservation Commission to fill the unexpired term of Adam Cain whose term expires April 20th, 2020 All the person will thank you mayor. I make a motion to confirm Thank you for their motion and support all those in favor of confirmation, please signify by saying aye. I opposed motion passes City Attorney Honorable members of the Common Council. I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Vicki Schneider to be considered for appointment to the position of Director of Senior Services And Vicki is with us in the back of the room With Wendy Schmitz welcome Vicki all the person wolf Thank you mayor. I make a motion to confirm Thank you for that motion and support all those in favor of the confirmation, please signify by saying aye. Aye Opposed motion passes Congratulations Vicki Next on the agenda is a presentation on the Mead Library Plaza renovation presented by city planner Chad Pellecek So thank you everybody tonight. I wanted to present on the renovation proposed renovation to the Mead Library Plaza area I've gotten some questions from some of you older men and thought it was a good thing to share with you So if you go to the next slide, I'm sorry about the color because on my screen at the desk it looks really good But I'm there to screen it looks good, too. So I'm sorry. We will never use this color again. Anyway back in 2015 the city development staff identified six seven locations along a street that we called in living underutilized spaces. So these were primarily alleys and the library plaza area that were identified as places that we felt could be enhanced to be able to kind of either create connection between parking lots and make alleys more safe and usable as well as placemaking. So a lot of the red stars you see on this map is locations that have undergone some kind of placemaking activity primarily by the John Michael Kohler Art Center and their street alley projects that they've instituted over the course of the few last few years. The really key location that was left as part of this plan was the area around the library plaza particularly as it relates to the helper and fountain and that concrete area to the east of the library. Next slide. So the area we're talking about is the block that primarily makes up the library plaza including the fountain and the driveling that goes into service the book drop-off. There will be some modifications also to the parking lot to the west of the library but the most of the work is happening either on the east side of the library or in the helper and plaza area. Next slide. So this was identified in the 2014 downtown Harbor Center master plan as a key location for redevelopment and it was particularly brought to the table once the city green was developed to look at how to kind of create the library and the library plaza with city green to serve kind of as that center urban urban core area where a lot of activity could happen. So that's really where it originally came out. There was some plans of filling in the helper and fountain and putting plantings and stuff in it. In that plan we did not go that direction, but if you were to pull up that plan today, you would see that. Next slide. So the picture up on the left top right top left is the existing aerial aerial of the Library and then you can see the proposed plan. So really what is changing is the entrance way as you walk into the front of the library from A Street. That's probably where you'll see the biggest change. Right now it's kind of a jogged pathway as it follows the contour of the fountain under some proposed repairs that will happen to the walls of the fountain to deal with some maintenance issues. The plan is to create this kind of straight-through sidewalk on the north side of the library underneath the canopy of the library. So you can see in the proposed plan the area where the sidewalk goes straight through between the parking lot and the street and then the improvements that will be happening particularly on the east side of the library where that sea of concrete will be taken out and more landscaping with trees and grass will be put in. Next slide. Also the area to the northwest of the library where you drive in today for the book drop-off will be eliminated and greened up with trees and grass and you will enter the book drop-off now through the parking lot. So instead of having its own dedicated lane you'll come in through the parking lot and then turn on that little curve and you can then drive and drop your books off. As part of the planning of that it was decided that that kind of cleaned up that area where we've got a lot of pedestrian traffic and people not sure where to drive and which lane they're supposed to be in and people going backwards and all that on that kind of little core there. So the idea behind rerouting that road was really to deal with pedestrian safety issues that are potentially happening in the front of the library. Next slide. Also as part of the plan the clock tower which has not functioned in a couple of years. The clock and some deferred maintenance on that clock tower will be coming down. Those panels you see on the four sides of the clock will be repurposed into a sculpture that will occur along the street. So if you go to the next slide this is what the street will look like from basically across the road at City Green. So there'll be a plaza area just on the northeast corner of the library and then those decorative panels that were done as part of a art project when that tower was built will be relocated into these four pedestal columns that will kind of be the backdrop of this plaza area. Also these large block areas then will be served as a place where people can sit down and you know play on their computer, their phone, or read a book to try to give it a defined area of where that should happen. And then everything basically in the clock, in the east side of the library to the south will then be greened and and treed up and so a lot of that concrete then will be gone. Next slide. Under the Halpern Fountain updates the the plan, the original plan of the Halpern Fountain had a number of landscaping and green trees that kind of encompassed the fountain so it wasn't this large concrete structure. So the plan is to bring some of that back so you can see on the on the lower picture towards the right. The wall will be straightened out where the sidewalk will go straight into the north side of the library. There'll be some additional planters added and some different tiers of trees that will be happening in that area. Right now if you were out there that whole area is all this like steps down that are on an L-shaped so the L-shaped the southern leg of that will be removed and then put in with planters and some landscaping to try to enhance that as well as some landscaping that will happen on the right side and then some new trees and stuff around the back where the Christmas tree is and the Christmas season. Next slide. So this is another look of that same area today. These are primarily those those small steps that go down that area where the person is standing in the back then will be as part of a structural issue dealing with building some new planters in that area and greening up and adding additional trees. There'll also be some new bollard lighting so along the street side of that plaza down to the fountain. There's some round looking concrete bollards that some work some don't. I like to say that those look like little minions. Those will be removed and this more modern type bollard lighting will be there to be able to light the walkway in the path the area down to the fountain. So the question I received a few times is how is this being funded in the TIF 16 capital and capital improvement project fund. There was 400,000 borrowed for this and then the difference is coming from the 2019 community development block grant allocation of around 237,000. So the project has been bid out and you've awarded contracts at about 237,000 total. There was a pre-construction meeting last week. My canine construction is the contractor. They will start work sometime in April and be completed sometime in mid-August whether depending. So the whole pretty much the library area will be unusable for most of the summer. However, there will be still access to the library and access to the book drop-off just in a few days that paving is happening. Those accesses may be closed. But the idea is to obviously keep the library open to the public during this time and work through these updates. So that's it. If anybody has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Aller Bruce and Wolfman and Bourne. Thank you, Mayor. Chad, I think this is a great project for the city. Our library is one of the many diamonds that we have here and I think by dressing it up, modernizing the outside it's going to, again, draw more people to the great facility that we have. So good job. Aller Bruce and Bourne. Thank you, Mayor. A couple of things, Chad, as far as accessibility to the building. Has there been any consideration in maybe doing some heated sidewalks on that sidewalk from A Street up to the door? I know we're going to be heating the new city hall parking lot, at least the area. To make that less slippery in the winter. And then my second question is, on the west side of the parking lot, are there going to be any enhancements made to that parking lot as far as not having to park and then walk over that hump and then you've got the driveway where the book lane is now and then into the library. How's that going to look? Can you go back a couple slides? So, go back. Okay, let's go back. That one. So if you look at the proposed plan on this slide, the parking where the it's hard, where this tree line stops on the west edge, on the northwest corner there, that would be the drive lane today into the library. That's going to become the parking lane where the handicapped accessible stalls will be. So you will base, and there'll be a sidewalk between the parking stalls and where this oak-rove kind of of trees will start. So you'll be able to just get on the sidewalk and come straight across and you won't have any more of those, all of those different. That was one of the challenges because you've got all these different grades happening in such a small area. So it'll be more conducive to being able to park and get into the library. The idea of the heated sidewalks, they're, I mean, it was talked about that we had to trim the cost way down to even get to this point. The original estimate was over a million dollars to do it. So we, you know, picked up the highest priority as we could and, you know, unfortunately, there wasn't enough funding to do it all. Well, I would think that, you know, from an accessibility standpoint with the handicapped parking, if there was any way to do it, it might be better to do it from there, maybe then from A Street Inn. Any estimate at all, what it was going to cost to do that? I'm not sure that we even got an estimate because I think Darryl might have take, trim that out right off the bat. Is there any, any possibility of just getting an estimate for, you know, maybe from that back parking in? I don't, I have no idea how long it would be, but is there any chance of maybe getting an estimate on that? I look at David and Brian. Okay, okay. Right. Yeah, it's, it's no, it was no problem the way it is now in the summer, but in the winter, particularly this winter, it was quite difficult. Okay, thank you. Any other questions? Seeing none, Chad, thank you very much for the presentation. Next item on our agenda is public forum. Is there anyone here for public forum tonight? There is no one this evening. Okay, then we'll go on to Mayor's announcements. Okay, I'd like to call up Jess Childs from AmeriCorps, Nourish Farm to Food School program. Tonight, we have a proclamation. Whereas service to others is the hallmark of the American character and central to how we meet our challenges. And whereas the nation's elected leaders are increasingly turning to national service and volunteerism as a cost-effective strategy to meet their needs. And whereas AmeriCorps and Senior Corps participants address the most pressing challenges facing our communities. They educate students for the 21st century jobs. They fight opioid epidemic. They respond to natural disasters and support veterans and military families. And whereas national service expands economic opportunity by creating a more sustainable, resilient communities and providing education, career skills and leadership abilities for those who serve. And whereas AmeriCorps and Senior Corps participants serve in more than 50,000 locations across the country, bolstering the civic neighborhood and faith-based organizations that are so vital to our economic and social well-being. And whereas national service participants increase the impact of their organizations that they serve through their direct service by managing millions of additional volunteers. And whereas national service represents a unique public-private partnership that invests in community solutions that leverages non-federal resources to strengthen community impact, increase the return on taxpayer dollars. And whereas national service participants demonstrate commitment, dedication, and patriotism by making intensive commitment to service and a commitment that remains with them in all their future endeavors. And whereas the Corporation for National and Community Service shares a priority with local leaders nationwide to engage in citizens, to improve lives and strengthen communities, and is joining with the National League of Cities, the National Association of Counties, the Cities of Service, local leaders across the country for National Service Recognition Day on April 2nd of 2019. And therefore be it resolved that I, Mike Van der Steen, Mayor of the City of Sheboygan, to hear about proclaim April 2nd as National Service Recognition Day. And I'd like to present this to Jessica Childs today and offer her opportunity to say a few words. Thank you, Mayor. Hi, I'm Jess Childs. I am with AmeriCorps. This is my service year. I'm working with the Farm to School program, and my host site is Nourish. We're out in Sheboygan Falls, but I'm working with the Sheboygan School District. So far this year I've taught 450 third through fifth graders, five nutrition lessons. They learn the food groups, where food comes from, food diversity and culture, food identification, and building healthy habits. I also am writing grants for several of our schools with the highest percentage of free and reduced lunch to be able to break ground on school gardens this spring. So as I said, I'm stationed out at Nourish. We're at the just renovated Miley Dairy Barn in Sheboygan Falls. If any of you have a chance to visit, I highly encourage it. We're having an open house April 6th to kind of showcase the barn. Our offices are downstairs and the loft upstairs is a beautiful barn space. But also Nourish is having a big Farm to School fundraiser in September to further our efforts to bring local farmers together with our school district and get more of that healthy locally grown food into the stomachs of our school children. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. You may not realize it, but our council meeting tonight is not being broadcast live or streamed. Seems that the recent floods have created some problems with some of the connections because the signal goes all the way out to UWS or UWGV Sheboygan campus where WSCS is housed and then it's rebroadcast out and their service has been completely out since the flood waters got into that area. So the meeting is being taped and it will be broadcast later on after WSCS gets serviced back again. Also want to remind people about the candidate forums coming up on March 28th in the Roka Room of the Mead Library. Preparing for the election on April 2nd, Barb Feldy and Nicholas DeSalt will be running for the open seat in the first district and they'll be on from 6 at 6 p.m. And then the District 9 incumbent Trey Mitchell and challenger Dane Schaefer are scheduled for 7 p.m. The senior activity is having an open house on March 26th to say goodbye and happy retirement to the activity center supervisor Wendy Schmitz. Wendy has dedicated the last 13 years of her life to the senior activity center. Remind people that they should try to avoid late fees on their pet licenses. They must renew by April 1st or pay a slight penalty of $5 and we also want to remind people that spring cleanup is underway at the Wildwood Cemetery and they need to remove all winter decorations by April 1st or if they're not they'll be disposed of by the cemetery staff. And then on April 2nd of course our spring election and we want to remind people that early voting is available at the city clerk's office in the old social security office on 9th Street and the times are from what 7 o'clock until 4 30 Monday through Friday and this will end on Friday March 29th when they'll be open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and I'm sorry that starts at 8 o'clock not 7 o'clock sorry about that Meredith. And then I just want to say that at prior to our staff meeting this morning the city staff had a chance to go over to city hall and take a tour the way the building's developing and it's really looking amazing. I think everybody is going to be extremely happy and it's only 77 days until we move back into city hall for our council meeting on June 3rd. Thank you. Next we'll go on to the consent agenda that will include items 2.2 through 2.8. All the person will. Thank you mayor I make a motion to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on any of the items in the consent agenda? Seeing none would the clerk please call the roll. Run. Mr. Born. Decker. Donahue. Mitchell. Phillips. Svoglio. Swarnson. Aye. Wolfe. Aye. Rose Ackley. Aye. There's 9 ayes. Motion passes. And then we'll go on to officer reports of officers item 3.1 is our own number 229 of 1819 by the city planning commission to whom is referred general ordinance number 47 of 1819 by all the person Phillips and our own number 224 of 1819 by the city clerk submitting a communication from prohibition bistro requesting an encroachment into portions of lot number one promenade south pier for the purpose of expanding outdoor patio area and wishing and wishes to report that this matter was discussed at a regular meeting of the city planning commission on March 12th and after due consideration recommends that the general ordinance and RO be accepted all the person boring thank you mayor make a motion to accept and file and pass the ordinance is there a second okay motion is on the floor is there any discussion seeing none will the clerk please call the roll run 10 ayes motion passes items 3.2 through 3.5 will be referred to various committees and under resolutions items 4.1 through 4.7 will be referred to various committees under reports of committees item 5.1 is RC number 273 of 1819 by the finance and personnel committee to whom is referred resolution number 182 of 1819 by all the person's inflation born authorizing appropriate city officials to execute the pilot agreement between the city of Sheboygan and the wasterman redevelopment LLC and the housing authority of the city of Sheboygan wisconsin with regard to the housing authorities rental project located at 611 north water street recommends approving the resolution with the amended agreement all the person right well born I thank you mayor I make a motion to accept and adopt pass the resolution with amended agreement second thank you for that motion in support is there any discussion on the motion just a little information the wasterman project is going to be undergoing a complete redo they also got a grant from Weta so this will help to augment that project seeing no other discussion will the clerk please call the roll run exactly ten eyes motion passes item 5.2 is RC number 274 of 1819 by the licensing hearings and public safety committee to whom was referred resolution number 183 of 1819 by all the person's wolf and Donahue dissolving the sustainable Sheboygan task force and recommends approving the substitute resolution all the person Donahue thank you mayor I move to accept adoptive pass the substitute resolution second thank you for that motion in support the motion is before us on under discussion all the person sorenson thank you mr. mayor I'll be voting against this tonight and I encourage my colleagues to do the same as well too I do have some concerns with dissolving the Sheboygan sustainable task force I don't believe that the substitute addition to creating this as more of an internal city staff meeting would really meet the best needs of the city as well kind of going down the list I know we talked about this at the committee level also I did vote against it in committee I believe that that there's still a lot more that the public has an interest in I think that if this committee sets new goals refocuses I think that there's a lot to accomplish I served as Alderman representative for my first year on the council for one year and at that time excuse me when I was on that committee there was a lot of good public input there were a lot of regulars that showed up and gave their suggestions and ideas and shared their thoughts to this committee as well as well as they had each would high school also would bring their science class in to do part of their class work as well too I think that there's a lot of good ideas that we can do utilize moving forward so I'll be voting no and I encourage everyone else to vote no as well thank you thank you all the person down here and then born thank you mayor it does it sounds horrible doesn't it oh my goodness we're going to get rid of the sustainable Sheboygan task force it sounds like it's a step backward it is my understanding based on our discussion at LHPS and reports of staff that in fact the sustainable task force had trouble meeting a quorum requirement that although it had originally done a lot of fine work it had as sometimes happens with commissions and committees and task forces and so forth had kind of lost steam it is my hope that and I think implicit in LHPS's approval of this resolution was to task our city administrator in fact to create a city department green team and to have more than just an annual report I know the resolution just says annual but I think that the sense of the group was that we need to see how city staff is approaching this I would see as kind of an organic if you will development from this is that more citizen input and more citizen participation will come forward sort of in a new form so the old body has more or less outlived its usefulness and we need to just make sure that the city green team and further sustainability efforts remain forward on the plate I think they will thank you for those comments all the person born thank you mayor I kind of tend to agree with Alderman sorenson on this one I I never served on the committee but being involved with the public works committee for a number of years I kind of followed out followed what they were doing and I think it was similar to the similar to the parks committee that that committee is kind of an egg jump committee to the public works committee and I think this one was in a certain way and you know if there's a if there was an issue with quorum I think this is the only committee that I'm aware of that met during the noon hour and I think some of the people on that committee were people that had nine to five jobs and I don't know was was there an effort to see if that if you know changing the time of meeting to you know like we most of our committees meet at four four thirty was there was there an effort to do that was there a poll taken of the committee members to see if this was really going to work a noon meeting and the problem with noon meetings and people having to having to get back to work of course there's going to be people are going to be watching their their watches to make sure they can get back to work so you know I would like to see a you know an effort made to maybe pull the you know pull those members to see if there was a better meeting time than meeting at noon thank you Chad Pellecek can you respond to that Chad's been serving as chairman of the committee there was a number of times where we tried for four thirty meetings as well as noon meetings we found that given that the number of people on it were primarily from the private business sector that it appeared that noon meetings worked the best for them to try to get the quorum there was fifteen members on that committee so in order to get a quorum we needed eight or nine people there which is the size of most other committees so it was it was a challenge just getting enough people committed in the fact that we had representation from a wide range of people may you know pose additional challenge but at any given time for any meeting we would try three four different dates and had to cancel it because people would cancel out and we wouldn't have a quorum thank you Chad all the person wolf thank you mayor I guess I looking at this I I ask our elders to think of it a little bit different also somewhat to what Mary Lynn was saying sometimes groups do fizzle sometimes they accomplish a certain task that are neat that's needed at the time which I believe that they did a great job of the city has continued to grow and change and morph and speaking of morph think of it as you know like the butterfly it goes into you know when it's just the worm it tends to build and create into a cocoon and then sometimes we have to cancel something see where the drive and desire is and we'll get a new group that'll come in with even more energy by canceling this one it is part of our strategic plan it is something that is on all of our management teams agendas so if there is a an outcry from of support we'll be able to get new people that'll have much more desire than for us to have 15 members that have become stagnant and things just aren't moving forward so I recommend that we we continue to move forward on this and if it becomes an issue in the future we can always bring it forward again with new drive and desire thank you for those comments one of the things that happened over the last several years is sheboygan became a member of the green tier communities of wisconsin and in there we've looked at best practices with some of our other compatriots in that group and I'd like Chad to talk a little bit about I believe it's so clear and he patterned this concept after that sure thanks mayor so we we did pattern this after the city of Eclare they were in a very similar situation where they had this private public private sector committee and basically like us had challenged getting the people there to serve and as well as the people that were there they provided some good information and ideas but there wasn't a lot of implementation so it would fall on the city staff members to try to implement those ideas and a lot of times they lost steam so they reorganized into the same model that we are where they have a city green team that's primarily representation from the respective departments that gets together on a quarterly basis and talks about sustainable issues as it may relate to capital improvements programs as it may relate to just general budgeting and products and services that we contract for so this isn't something new for us that well it's new for us but it's not new for being tried because Eclare this is really modeled after the way Eclare has operated the other thing I just wanted to mention is I do sit on the board of the green tier committee so as on the executive committee and I'm very involved with those sustainable efforts on a statewide basis and and the other thing is is we're also looking at building designing a sustainability guidebook that will be used for our neighborhood associations and residents to be able to implement sustainable projects on a how-to way how to move forward on sustainable strategies within their respective neighborhoods so we've had communication with some of our neighborhood associations as it relates to this and it appears that people are on board with this approach thank you Chad is there any other discussion other persons of Aglio thank you mr. mayor I'm really torn on this one I walked into the meeting today thinking that I was definitely going to vote against this and after hearing the comments from the room I'm very pleased to see that we'd be pushing forward with sustainable items however I really feel like we're not going to get to the big ideas if we get rid of this task task force this smaller ideas the the day-to-day operations how we can implement capital improvements to be more sustainable sure but where where will the big ideas from our community come from if we don't really have an open and accessible way for them to come to us I would I guess I'll be voting against this at this point in time just because I don't see a way forward for that thank you very much thank you for your comments is there any other discussion other person Phillips I guess I also feeling a little bit torn as all the persons of Aglio mentioned I have been appointed to this committee and served on it since April of last year so I know that we have only had two meetings in the past that is nine or ten months due to the fact that we haven't been able to have a quorum so that has been an issue I do think that the community needs to be able to have input however and I am curious if we could at least have someone from the council still appointed to that committee where the community could bring forth their concerns to that older person to bring forward to the committee thank you for those comments older person sorenson thank you Mr. Mayor just a few additional comments that I kind of want to have been popping up in my head with other discussion kind of just want to make talk about difficulty meeting quorum I reject that argument I'm on the mayor's international committee that committee has 17 members I'm also on the Maywood Park Board that board has 30 36 members on that as well too those committees you know I haven't really struggled at all since my time on those committees you know meeting quorum at all you know if you if you want to make the the argument that oh it's difficult meeting quorum we should restructure the entire committee I mean at the time when we only had about four members on the licensing and public safety meeting I mean we struggled quorum if we struggled quorum was so much we're just going to get rid of that committee I don't buy that at all I I agree with older person Savalio and Phillips their statement as well too I think this really comes down to transparency and creating a good space for folks in the community to share their thoughts get innovative ideas and how to move the city forward I definitely want to see big bright ideas brought to the forefront of this as well too I think if you look at sort of our docket we got a lot of issues down the line that relate to sustainability I think would benefit as a city from having public input I think if you look at how we're restructuring garbage collection I think that's a sustainable effort that definitely will need public info there's about two I mean I could go down the list composting we talk about water resources we talk about parks you know whatever it might be I think there's a lot of things as well too if we're struggling with members that are on this committee if they're not showing up you know then quite frankly comes down to the mayor's responsibility to make sure that we're appointing members to this committee that are showing up and then have dedication and passion for this issue so again I'll be voting no encourage others to do so as well too thank you all the person boring thank you just expanding a little bit on what Alderman Sorenson said you know we're coming to the end of this council year and I'm wondering you know you're going to be making appointments to the various committees and commissions I'm wondering if we shouldn't maybe hold off on this decision until unless your efforts you know what you make the best effort maybe work with Chad maybe to even downsize the committee but still try to have good citizen input and see what you can do for the new council year and if it looks like it's going to be an impossibility to people that are going to be able to dedicate the time or you know come up with a meeting time that's good for everybody maybe we should give it one more shot in the new council year and if you don't have any success maybe then bring it back but maybe not give up on it until you get another chance to maybe work on that committee for the new council year all the members of the committee are one-year appointments so everyone's term would be up if you keep the committee in place and all of them will be asked either if they want to continue or not and if they can make the meetings so we'll go through that process and we can fill in the empty slots and bring some new people in if that's what you desire would it be would it be appropriate then to make a motion to hold this document until until early in the new council year to see what success you have on forming a new committee I think it would probably be better to vote it up or down and this and we'll live with your decision I'm going to I'm going to make a motion to hold this document until the end the first the first meeting in May and that would give you time to you know to form a committee if it's going to be possible to form a committee to come up with the members and then let's take another look at this at our first council meeting in May but my my motion is just to hold it until the first meeting in May is there a second okay we have a second on the motion to hold assistant city attorney is that debatable yes yes okay is there any discussion on the motion to hold seeing no discussion on the motion to hold all in favor of holding please signify by saying aye opposed please roll roll no thank you Ron so an aye an aye vote is to hold it yeah eight aye is to knows motion passes mayor I'm sorry I thought we had voted orally and my vote was no and so if the record would reflect that my vote would have been no so then we're seven to three okay motion still passes next item is item 5.3 that's RC number 275 of 1819 by the licensing hearings and public safety committee to whom was referred resolution number 184 of 1819 by all the persons wolf and Donahue changing the starting time of the organizational meeting of the new council year for 2019 and 2020 and recommends approving the substitute resolution all the person Donahue thank you thank you for that motion in support is there any discussion on the motion seeing none will the clerk please call the roll run ten eyes motion passes under general ordinances item 6.1 through 6.3 will be referred to various committees and when next we'll move on to other matters I'll turn it over to assistant city attorney Thomas Cameron thank you we have we have item number 7.1 which is RO 234-1819 submitting various license applications for the period ending December 31 2019 April 14 2020 and June 30 2020 that'll be referred to licensing hearings and public committee and we have item 7.2 which is resolution number 194-1819 a resolution authorizing the purchasing agent to indicate the city's intent to obtain a new vector truck in 2020 then also to be referred to the public works committee next is a contemplated closed session all the person wolf thank you mayor I make a motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.85 sub 1 sub e wisconsin stats where competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session related to the opportunities for land transfer related to the parcel number 59030454421 comma 59030454450 comma 59030454460 and 59030454462 located in the town of wilson thank you is there a second I say bravo I'll take that as support we we have a motion before us with the clerk please call the roll for closed session all the person in push ten eyes motion passes we'll take a three-minute recess and this and we will plan to adjourn in closed session so this will end the tape taping of our meeting for tonight thank you