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That's right Maybe about the whole darn show Yeah, yeah, right right in Speaking of writing in darn it There's a letter and I didn't even get to get it before we started this show. It's in the bag Marty Would you mind getting it for me? We'll be right back Getting well well Will be sexy TV or sexist TV, but we're gonna try to cover both As much as possible of both sides of the thing That's the trouble Oh my goodness Somebody spent some time Yeah, let me get this out here From real Virgo, Ohio right? Right a lot a lot didn't get any lines either Real good grades on your penmanship. That's right. It's on recycled paper, too Let me let me get into the kind of the excerpts here. Well, dear Mark Wilburton Marty here. We are first of all I'm writing to you to tell you how much I've enjoyed your two Trek shows just today. I finally had the chance to see the second I do seem to miss the other shows since you're usually Since you're usually aired when I'm out of my home, but for when I do have a chance I enjoy them tremendously and person goes on and on about Star Trek and Let's see. I'm trying to find Find some points here It goes on and on about Star Trek and really we don't have time to read this whole letter here tonight but we thank you for the letter and And the longest one with that is it and for sending this is important Yes, he's now would like to be called trek horse. Well, that's I we've been hearing that for a while though Okay, I'll make a note of it. I like to be politically correct Yeah, and for sending the longest letter ever in the history of Bass Wasteland you win Absolutely nothing except the satisfaction of the we we're living to you s. Thanks a lot We're all gonna read your letter. That's right But The and or and or a sexist TV, it's probably more gonna be more sexist because they Somewhere in there, they just felt that the the male audience watched more TV. That's the way I looked at it It's guess they think the male audience. I don't think it's much to watch Specialized controlling it Who's controlling it? Well, I think I think it who was making the show. I think it's I think it's more specialized than just male I think it's they figured out that the 14 to like 17 year olds Or your big 17 year old males were like the big market for TV in the 70s Well, let's let's maybe cuz television in the 70s was just so dopey We could probably go back a bit further here to the I can remember some Back when they used to be like Cigarette commercials and things like that on TV back in that era there were the the Naxima shaving cream commercials with oh Well before her it was like some somebody for an Anton was on there was somebody for it I was doing the sys boom by Naxima the take it off take it all off It could just remember is this French voice there French some foreign voice some European foreign boy saying Take it off take it all off and then they got into the into the Music and it's some guy shaving, you know And I figured you got you got the pretty woman there You got the guy shaving this is got all these boys out there waiting to hit puberty So they can shave with a woman in the back and shame and there'll be a pretty woman there getting playing You have to have the little the real the real tape recorder playing And Because they had bad speakers and things like that too And so then you had your your cigarette commercials with the the Marlboro man that Tom Selleck at one point was a Marlboro man Well see now this Guy's got the idea that women like this Right The old spice man, yeah Sailor out at sea for several months with a bag of dirty laundry this guy's sexy And he comes home smelling like the sea and he's gonna throw a bottle of the seat you Somewhere in there somebody thought this was what women liked so they The guys the guy said well, this is what the women like Well, I gotta say that I don't think it's just somebody I think it's Fred Silverman Somebody okay, not some faceless person. It's Fred Silverman who went to ABC and said you know I bet we put some of those darn jiggle shows on we're talking big bucks because big darn ratings It shows like Charlie's Angels The definitive jiggle show That's right, that's right I Mean pretty much the whole the whole concept was you had You had the the faceless father figure guy on the on the intercom and you had three well-endowed women who would run around and They'd supposedly be solving crimes, but that was really kind of incidental to the whole rest of the thing You know the whole the whole deal Was the hair that swimsuit the jumpsuits whatever And it wouldn't be you know, we're you know going and checking out stuff on Wall Street It was like well, there's been these murders in the whole spa or there's been you know There's some miscellaneous bodies there's bodies washing up on the beach, you know, so you gotta go under cover And where did they come from originally anyway, did they just they just go out to the beach and and picked about or were they working in This dinno pool, you know I think the first season they actually each season they really explained that in the opening remember they had the I think Farah was like a police woman or something I think they're all police women or some sort of deal one was like a photographer, which is your standard Standard I'd say sexist Female job Is is the photographer it seemed like a lot of females on TV shows in the 70s were photographers You know Oh and one played tennis, that's right, and no one was a tennis player That's right Hey, baby, you look good in that short little skirt. I bet you could solve crime. That's right You can solve a crime Charlie was trying to figure off, you know, it's like this main prerequisite Charlie's just got all this money and he just he just picked him out He's like the Howard Hughes area has cameras all over the place Yeah, let's get her and then when they had to change the people, you know, it's like he's he's got that big camera in the sky He's like a new one get that all get her So it's like by the end of it. They had well how many where there's six Point to this there were six. That's correct You had Sabrina Jill and Kelly from the first season and then Chris replaced Kelly. I believe no Chris replaced Jill and then Tiffany replaced somebody and then Julie replaced somebody You're gonna lose track of it. It's like you had if you have a if you have a Charlie's Angel reunion They'll they'll all be fighting over right who looks the best Right exactly, it's exactly and don't don't let it be in an airplane because they'll all explode So but I can I can actually remember Wow, it's difficult Um Sexy TV shows from from the 60s. We're talking about things like Dean Martin presents the gold digger Talk about your first one. Now talk about the very very first one Wilbert. Sherry Lewis That's Sherry Lewis, what a babe I'll move right from Sherry Lewis to Julie Ah It's apparently and then the things the thing that even the networks that was just too darn sexy for prime time The I dream a genie thing we can't show that name People will just go TV's will be going up the window my gosh, it'll be awful And then let's see there's um, well And we look at like Sonny and share as well share would get into these different costumes That's the glue on her see those Bob Mackie originals. Oh, yeah, they were just glue those on and Lee press on And then there's speaking of speaking of such things there's laughing talking about painted on things the The And who else Judy Karn and would do the other Chelsea Brown What's her name who played Christie love what was her Teresa Teresa Brewer Graves Graves Brewer No, Teresa Graves Teresa Graves Teresa Brewer or somebody else on yeah, Teresa Graves. They would And then her show that get Christie love for all that matter. I mean this is before Charlie's angels But yet she's a she's playing a jiggle cop. Yeah The show they never actually put on jiggle cop jiggle cop But I can remember only one that had something for Both sexes to watch WKRP and Cincinnati. Yeah. Oh, yeah, very beautiful Lonnie Anderson playing the jiggle, but thank goodness For the tight blue jean behind of Gary sands Which which which just I don't know maybe it's the timing of the show when it came on and and and The state of blue jeans And I know I wasn't the only one out there that appreciated Well darn it tell that story Well There was back back in the days of the the weekly breakfast clubs that a certain radio station would would do Gary Sandy as was appearing as the guest at one of them and a friend of mine at school Found out later that Gary Sandy was going to be at this breakfast club and by galley She took her books and she about beat me to death saying you mean I could this was years ago This is almost this is heading into a Good 10 15 Good 15 years ago and if I mention it now She'll still be after me was whatever she can get a hold of you mean that anyway well Hey, they had to look good live as they looked on videotape, but it's like missing now Yes, that's true. Nobody else worries. I mean you might get lucky once in a while and Phil Sally or Heraldo have the Chippendales on but Don't don't don't turn it on and catch them when they've got the chunk of nails Bigly whipperman in the boy You don't want me to flash back right here When you're talking your your male sex symbols, you got you got magnum you got Well, I don't know that seems to be popular Lee horse Lee that was the one I was trying to think of Once again, this is um Guys looking at what they think that guy what women would want to see where they don't know What tight blue jeans Well, who else you want tight blue you want names If you're not auditioned for television, just wear some tight blue jeans We're not even what shows that we're on here Orlando was smooth Orlando was smooth Freddie Prinze was very cute Later on stony Jackson He looked good, but he's done something It's Tony Jackson's kind of going the the Michael Jackson route somewhere I'm guessing I'm guessing that's what happened because he didn't look the same Now the chips guys were pretty cool. Mm-hmm. I would say that's that was a pretty nice. Oh, yeah You're right. Oh, I remember there was the Eric Estrada posters. Yeah, Erica was real big Eric Estrada I just kind of think his name was John on the show. Yeah, that's right and Michael Dorn is actually good-looking When you're Larry Wilcox up on Larry Wilcox, okay, Larry Wilcox Eric Estrada Michael Dorn I mean they kind of had a variety pack there. That was that and they were on motorcycles. So that was pretty cool And then if we're gonna talk about Vehicular shows which I guess we are here. We've got to mention the the dookie boys Because there was yet another show that had something for everybody Yeah, boy, we got cars we got half-naked women. Yep. So we got dumb men Men who can drop a car. They never figured out that they were they just never figured out there were doors on their car Hey, we got to go through this open window That's what it's here for Or maybe it was a stock car and it just didn't really have doors I don't know Well, wait a minute can't figure that out. They're all cousins. They're all running around together Can't figure that out Uh-oh Sheriff nephews after And grandpa deputy Oh my I guess that's our comment on um that Isn't burt reynolds become like a major stuck stumble because of his show, um Well, which one of his shows? Yeah, there was a lot of them there first one. Uh shameless No, was shameless his first show No, it was that other one where he was the indian Um, well, let's see. He said the indian she remembers The crew remembers He built his I mean Because he was popular before he started making movies. Yeah, but he was already known with that Okay Um, well, let's see they got riverboat listed down here gun smoke hawk hawk or dan august which one dan august or hawk Is what i'm thinking. Yeah But hawk was the one really got him on the map. I think yeah Well, of course, he was on he was on gun smoke for a while if I remember. Yeah, he was he was quid asper Yeah, that's the deal that that's the one that really got him up there. Yeah They got him roles like his own. Well, I thought the shameless was a tv show. You mean that was just a movie Apparently Well, gee, here we are. I don't know. I'm not like a big huge burt reynolds fan I never was either really one of the first kind of like tv sex symbol guys. They remember hearing people talk about You know, oh, look at him. Oh look at him I suppose if we're gonna talk The uh, the tv sex of will have to mention probably chat everett also because He was lock one that just went crazy for a long time there that chat everett He showed up at like the 1974 75 something like that prom at leblin At where I went to high school. He like showed up at the prom Any particular reason he was just driving through town or what was that? I don't know. I think the prom was in Dayton or something because god, you can't have a prom in lebanon if you've anybody's ever been to lebanon, ohio I haven't be staying with someone whose sister was a teacher So she was chaperoning the whole thing and came home so very excited So we were freshmen and we just weren't that impressed can't can't forget gild jarard, but Now on tv or is that a clone On what show are you seeing commercials and whatnot? He has a son who looks very much like him. Well, I know he's doing that. He's doing a show now, but It wasn't a son or is it a clone I mean, I mean gild was doing a show me majors Me majors and now all this next like this summer He's gonna have a new they're talking more about guys and they are talking about women I don't get right back to that in a moment mentioned the women We're trying to we're trying to hit both sides of the space here But see these are still these are still guys that we've heard women talk about even if it's just one woman Now if I remember correctly this summer There's going to be a new show or like this fall is going to be a show Lee is finally going to be playing. That's a wacky sidekick. In fact, old fat wacky sidekick In fact by the time this the time this show airs that'll probably have been Several times on and gone but right now it's it's premiering tomorrow Tomorrow will be the first one of this new show. We don't know what it's called. We don't want to we don't want to advertise Raven that's that's what it's called anyway. Raven. Yeah, okay, Raven. What about that John Travolta? Oh, that John Travolta talk about your epitome of um, guys who were like, uh, stupid, you know What do you mean? Really down at least somebody thought he was cute or something, you know, but he was I just always looked at him as just kind of dumb. He sure thought he was cute He thought he was cute himself. That's true And that just got his whole thing rolling there When you get into the heroes and heroines like lee manger's six million dollar man You got to talk about linda carter wonder woman. Oh, yes Oh, yeah Well, I I'd mentioned I mentioned, um, julie newmar If I didn't mention it, I meant right after sherry louis. I've heard a lot about julie newmar Yes, she was she was catwoman as far as he's concerned earth a kit did not exist Well, earth a kid had the voice for cat woman And but and lee mirror weather she was like in the movie and then she was on the series a few times But julie newmar was the more the more excellent cat woman in my opinion I think recently was one of the talk shows all three all three of them are on one of the talk shows. I know Exactly I mean, you see that's I I like julie newmar suit a whole lot better than I like say, um job Michelle pifer's suit and then oh you did, huh? Yeah, because I I just didn't like what was in julie newmar I thought it was more than what was in michelle. It was more stylish. It was just a more stylish suit It didn't look out like she just put it together herself when she was upset Upset that's bad. I guess you could use that word upset Which is basically what michelle pifer does in this she takes an old coat and she's upset. Just tell us the whole movie Warner brothers will be on our backs that a Now five or six people who watch the show will know something about the movie And well, and then you got to go past Wonder woman to go to partners in crime Yes, it was on what was this actually this is an 80s show with with Not only living Carter, but Lonnie anderson who later goes on to mary burt reynolds, but right well and And if I remember that show is basically them trading wisecracks and wearing glamorous gowns. That was most of it Because they had they found out they had found out they had each been married to the same guy Right, isn't that the same time right? No, it was it was at different times Okay, then the guy dies and wills this uh, this detect his detective agency to them to them to both of them Yeah, well, I need to know something. Yeah How come on tv now We're like supposed to believe that like what's his name major dad is like A sexy hunk guy that somebody would want to marry but his wife in real life delta berg isn't What Okay, what's the new jill mccrainy jerald jerald mccrainy. Yeah, okay like He's got no hair. Yep. Yeah, he ain't really attractive But they're trying to pass him off as he's an attractive man Yes, they are on major dad. Okay Yet delta berg can't get a job because oh, she's got a job some way. Yeah, she had to go blonde too. Well, yeah Oh I just want to know why we have to believe that Why can a leading man be old and bald and Because even today men control television That's pretty much what it boils down to because it was it was probably the guys Who got um delta berg kicked off of designing women in the first place? It was I think it was a combination though. It was the guys and then Some women also got upset but those are the the little the little women The little women who are behind the guys that are controlling the tv The little women, you know, yeah You're you're little women with big heads Yes, because there's they're still emulating that Well, we we certainly can't get out of here without talking about threes company Oh, yeah Well too bad Okay, my friend everybody thought he was really sick because he found Joyce DeWitt much more attractive than susan summers Okay, and I know he suffered very much during high school because of the ridiculous That he faced being put down constantly and having his very manhood question why Well, it's because um Maybe he knew He knew that susan summers would work a bit Let's check with david the booth did he actually hear that we don't know maybe he just knew about her a little problem And he knew that joists Oh, no, I'm thinking cindy williams now there. Excuse me. No, no Well, I was thinking of cindy women with cindy williams is part in the uh the first nudie musical That's that's cindy williams. That's not joist DeWitt. No, it's not although they they probably um, I don't know Getting into dangerous material here Well, they had okay, they had john ruder posing as a gay guy I wonder if any gay men actually found john ruder attractive. It seemed to happen on the show a lot That was always a bit on the show And I think mr. Roper was just um well questioning his own manhood because he kept putting john ruder Down the john ruder character down. I think that was Do you think they really thought about psychology on that show? Yeah, uh, no, I was like this. I thought you was norman fell sitting around. What is my motivation in this scene? I think that was the farthest thing from their minds. In fact, um, we can look at we can look at uh Another one from way back there. Um, the gilligan's island thing the ginger and marianne thing You know that marianne was always wearing the little halter top yet ginger was supposed to be the sexy glamorous one and Of course, no reference to And the professor he he just would rather he would rather read books And on that note, we got to get out of here next time advance ways land It's miscellaneous cartoon shows. We'll see what the heck that means do it next time You