 Why not. Hey, we're live. This hangout on air is live. They used to just have the little yellow button show up to tell me it was live. Now they put a blue thing saying it's going live, and then it changes the text. So sometimes it's hard for me to tell it's actually gone live. Weird. Oh, he's off. Not that old. I need those. I am. Oh, you look good. You should have left those on. I would, except these are for reading, and I can't read that screen because it's too far away. I mean, I can. They're progressives, but it's easier to do it this way, at least for DTNS. There you go. Any more questions about my eyesight? No, but I did see that for a few minutes you were ahead of me this month in running. Oh, yeah. That was a glorious day. Just for a few moments. I enjoyed that minute or two before you. Yeah, and then Swoopy. Oh, Swoopy's always there. What are you guys using to track? Nike. Nike running, yeah. Are we running this morning, though? Wait, am I ahead of Len now? Hold on. I know the Swoopy was still ahead of me, but I didn't see who was behind. Oh, you might actually have beaten me. Oh, my competition. Right? No. I beat Tom last month by about 20 miles. Oh, you're like right on my heels. If I had just ran another half kilometer. Yeah, I'm in first place. That does not happen. Yeah, you must have been Swoopy behind me. No. Yes, she is. Yes, she is. That can't be right. It's crazy. You guys are the only ones left of my friends who are still running, by the way. I'm almost like, I almost passed. It's so hot up here. I almost passed out the other day when I was running. I'm like, I can't do this anymore. It's too hot. Yes. Oh, no, I'll go inside. I'll go into the track. Oh, man. By the way, someone, they have this new thing on Patreon now, which is awesome, where you can see people's exit surveys. And the biggest reason people say they cancel a Patreon is because of financial. Like, I just can't afford it right now, which is totally understandable. Second biggest reason on DTNS is usually time. I don't have enough time to live this. And I've got plans to fix that for people who don't have enough time. But today I got one that was like, is the show informational? Yes. Is it boring? Yes. So I'm considering bringing in some clowns. What is it? Is that one? Ah, don't you think you can't please everyone? Juggling? Maybe do juggling while I do the headlines. Let me guess. Are you going to do the DTNS minute? The whole show in like a minute? No, actually. But if you're a Patreon, you already know. If you're a Patreon, the $5 a month level. Look in your latest Patreon update. I don't want to ruin it for anybody. So you must go. It's pretty sweet. Being able to see that. Yeah. No, the dashboard is one of the best things they've done. Most of our Threat Wire ones left because Patreon got hacked last year. I get that. That would do it. Yeah. Like, thanks guys. I mean, they handled it well. But that audience, yeah, they're going to be like, ah, out. Exactly. And then I was like, I guess we should make t-shirts. To fill the gap. Yeah. Exactly. Man. Ah. Sorry, I can't fix that. BioCal has already submitted the title. Boring but informational news of the day. Boring? Yes. Oh, yes. Informational? Informative? Yes. Boring? Yes. That makes that our tagline. Someone should make a little bumper for that. Yeah. What are our pre-mails? Boring. Yes. Informational? Hell, yes. This won't cause me to have a heart attack. Daily Tech News Show. Oh, well. It's boring, but you'll learn something. Now with more clowns. Now with more clowns. Hey, how do I get in on this pod rover thing? I want in. Oh, I'll get you, Stazar's email. Yeah, please do. I think you could just go to pod rover. Yeah, it says you got to sign up and then wait for them to. Yeah, sign up and send in your email and then I'll email Stazar and be like, hey man, can you let Shannon? She's awesome. He's pretty quick with them these days too. Cool. I didn't even say anything about Veronica and we got sort of laser in there. Oh, that's awesome. Maybe he watches it. Maybe he watches hack five. Whoa, wow. We have actual breaking news. Crap. All right. Hold on one second. This just in. Tony Fidel stepping down from Nest. What? Yeah. Really? Hmm. Okay. So we're going to have a little extra story there. Oops. Put it on the wrong bay. That's okay. Really? You got to break news right now. You couldn't have stepped down, you know, earlier when I had time to write. So I'm considerate of these people. All right. Let's get going then, shall we? The Daily Tech News Show. Xiaomi. The Daily. I was bored. Tom. The Daily. To support Tom, go to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. Okay. Now you can press the button. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, June 3rd, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me today, Shannon Morse from hack five tech thing and more alongside. How are you, Shannon? Welcome back. Thank you so much. How are you? I'm good. It's good to see you freshly rested now from your trip across the world. You were in. Hair purpled. Hair is there. You have and purpled your hair. And we got some exciting news. We got some breaking news about Tony Fidel to talk about. We've got a really interesting article and recode about the conversational web and how that may be our next phase of optimization. But Len Peralta is joining us as well to illustrate the show. How are you doing, Len? I'm doing well. Go Cavs. I am. We're going to take game two. We are going to take game two. We have to because I have a wager with your wife, I lean on this. I know. That's the basketball that Len is talking about. And my wife, although grew up a Lakers fan apparently as a big soft spot for the Bay Area's Golden State Warriors. You know what it is? It comes down to she really wants those chocolate covered almonds again this year. Yeah, they were good. Actually, we still have a few left. She made me stop eating them because I was eating them, even though I had nothing to do with the bet. I'll do all I can so you don't get them. All right. Well, we've got tech news to get to. So let's get started. This is a look at the headlines. The CEO of Google's home automation company Nest is leaving. He made the announcement in a blog post moments ago, at least within the past hour. He is going to remain as an advisor to alphabet and CEO Larry Page Marwan Fawaz, a former exec with a Delphia Charter and Motorola mobility and chairman of cable labs is going to step in as the new CEO of Nest. Remember Nest is a company below Alphabet separate from Google Google, a company below Alphabet. So each one of those has a CEO and Marwan Fawaz. A cable industry exec is going to take over Nest. Fidel is most well known, of course, for having led the engineering team that developed the iPod before he left Apple to co-found Nest with Matt Rogers back in 2010. And Nest, of course, focuses on home devices like the thermostat and the smoke alarm and things like that. We saw this story breaking first on Engadget. Of course, it's a blog post from Tony Fidel as well, but I want to give them the hat tip for that, because we saw it right before we started the show. Kind of crazy, Shannon. Yeah, a little bit surprising and kind of random, but we see people step down from their positions at companies all the time. What this will mean for Nest is really, we'll just have to give it time to see what happens. Yeah, cable labs, Motorola mobility charter, Adelphia. I can see a home technology thread there, but I wonder if Alphabet plans to pivot Nest beyond just your home utilities into more home automation. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the thing that they were trying to do here. Microsoft announced dedicated HoloLens AR apps for Outlook, Email, and Calendar. And people are really excited about this. It's kind of fun to watch. The apps mostly look like projections of the desktop version, hanging in space in front of you, but there is a little holographic Seattle skyline in the image they posted online, so it can do some cool things. And the big thing that gets people excited is you can pin your email or your calendar to a wall, and then it'll just always be there when you need it in augmented reality or mixed reality or whatever you want to call it. That's awesome. See? See, it's really cool. I mean, I don't use Outlook, but that's really freaking cool. Can I get this for Gmail, please? A wall calendar? Yeah. For my favorite calendaring system that I could just have up? That's kind of cool. Like the ones I used to buy at like Borders when I was a little teenager? I went that. Yeah. Except with your G-Cal or your I-Cal or your Outlook Cal or whatever Cal that you use. As long as there's cat pictures on it, though. Just like back in the day. My friend Catherine. Yeah. Samsung Pay came to Europe Friday launching in Spain. Samsung Pay was previously available in South Korea, China, and the US. So this first time in Europe at launch, Samsung Pay will be available on the Galaxy S6 and S7 with this year's Galaxy A5 being added to the system soon. The payment wars are just beginning. This is just the thin edge of the wedge. I mean, Apple Pay has been in Europe, but only in the UK as far as I understand. Kind of random thought, but I was on a layover in South Korea on my trip back to Japan a couple like last week. And I saw Samsung Pay at every single one of the vendors in the airport that I was in. It was very, very popular there. So I'm really happy that they're trying to populate this into more nations and countries. Samsung also announced the Gear Fit 2 with standalone GPS, 4GB music storage, Android notifications, and automatic activity tracking like it knows when you're going for a run or it tracks your sleep, et cetera. The device has a curved 1.5-inch Super AMOLED display. Gear Fit 2 available for $179 for pre-order today, Friday at AmazonBestBuy.com and Samsung.com and coming to retail June 10th. It's kind of futuristic looking, I guess. It's cute. Yeah, is it cute? Do you do wearable, Shannon? I use a Fitbit. I took it off because it's charging right now, but yeah, that's the one that I usually use. So you're not going to get any step count for daily technician? No, unfortunately. I'm really stepping it up today, though. You are, I was going to say. I was definitely going to identify that. Facebook announced it's shutting down its Notify app seven months after launch. I'm probably the only person who was using it, but I was, in fact, using it. The app let you customize notifications about news, weather, sports, et cetera from 70 different publications. Notify functionality, however, is not going away. Facebook says it will integrate it into other products like Facebook Messenger. Did you ever use this? Do you even know what it is? I know what it is. Of course I know what it is. I listen to DTNS, but no. I never used it. I also don't use Messenger, and I don't use the Facebook app because security concerns that I have with that application. So this doesn't affect me in the remotest fit. I liked Notify because it was just a separate app from Facebook. I have Messenger because there are people who want to talk to me on it, but otherwise I never use it. I never use the Facebook app either. But Notify was nice because I could get breaking local news. And so there was kind of a nifty thing to have one single source that was pulling from multiple places that did a pretty good job of curating like, hey, this is something you actually need to know. So I'm kind of sad to see this go away. And the fact that it's in Messenger probably means I'll never try to take advantage of it now. Right. TechCrunch has sources who say Snapchat acquired 3D Photo App Maker Scene. That's S-E-E-N-E a couple months ago. Scene lets you capture 3D models with a normal smartphone camera. Let that parse through your head for a minute. Like what Project Tango and Connect do? Scene can do with whatever can, maybe not whatever, but with a more recent camera in your average smartphone. TechCrunch has sources say Snapchat wanted the computer vision technology from Scene as well as the engineers that didn't necessarily want the app itself. Snapchat could use it for lenses to give you some 3D objects appearing in those little lenses that you do on Snapchat. They could make photos 3D with it. Scene CTO Sam Hare specialized in real applications for the tech of gaming. And it could definitely be used to create content for VR. So I would expect to see lots of things come out of this on Snapchat. The very least of which is lenses because Scene can do both. It can put real scanned objects into a virtual reality scene or into a picture, but it can also scan something and turn it into a 3D model as well. It sounds really, really cool. I like the functionality of the technology behind this, but I worry a little bit with my limited knowledge about 3D rendering how this will work decently on a smartphone with battery drain issues, with your limited cell phone capabilities that we currently have with cameras on here. They're definitely not as high tech as what you will get with a PC and their rendering capabilities that you can use for 3D. So I have some concerns, but hopefully they'll be able to answer those. Snapchat currently has some of those issues with battery drain. Especially if you're trying to add the 3D things on there. So I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. That's a very fair question about the battery life. I have a feeling that the 3D rendering quality will be sort of like MP3. Good enough that people will want to use it. I could see a world where people are scanning themselves in Snapchat in 3D and then going to their Snapchat VR application and using that to create their avatar or to put their dog into a virtual world. And then there's all kinds of things they could make. That'd be really fun. Walmart and Sam's Club announced that both companies, both divisions, will test grocery delivery partnerships with Uber, Lyft, and continue a partnership with Deliv. Walmart launched a pilot program with Deliv in Miami in March for businesses, mostly with Sam's Club. The company will add Uber and Lyft in Denver and Phoenix this week, one in each market. The process will work like current curbside pickup with delivery available for an extra charge of $7 to $10. Now, they don't charge for curbside pickup and they're expanding that in lots of places. But this will say, well, if you want to pay a little more, which isn't the Walmart way, you can have an Uber or a Lyft driver come pick it up. Walmart employees will just use the regular ride-hailing app to request a car to deliver the groceries. There'll be a way that the driver will know, okay, this is a Walmart delivery. TechCrunch notes that Walmart has been piloting its own delivery service in Denver and San Jose already. So doing this in Denver and Phoenix means they'll be competing with themselves in one market. But it is another interesting use of ride-hailing as business to business. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really cool. It seems like they're trying to compete a little bit with the grocery option that we have from Amazon currently. Amazon Fresh, I think. Yeah, Fresh, I believe it is. Instacart, yeah. But with the use of Walmart and Uber, it could be available in a lot more places than what the Amazon one is currently available in. BizTechAfrica reports that Kenyan M-Pesa customers will soon be able to use the mobile money service to withdraw money from Equity Bank ATMs. Amounts will be allowed between 200 Kenyan shillings, up to 35,000 Kenyan shillings. That's equivalent of around $350 US. Without the need of an ATM card, just their M-Pesa account on their phone, the ATM will send an authorization code to the phone, which they can then enter into the ATM, along with their phone number to access the cash. Hmm. And Pesa is widely credited with having revolutionized banking in places like Kenya, because you didn't have to have a bank account. You just needed a phone, and you could do withdrawals and deposits at your local convenience type stores and places like that. So adding ATMs into the mix is a big step there. Yeah, that's pretty neat. Good for them. Epson unveiled a new piezo force sensor based on its inkjet printer technology that allows robots to feel space with an accuracy of five microns. That's 10 times more sensitive than the current sensors out there on the market. And it could allow robots to do more precise tasks like putting a key in a keyhole, placing a capacitor with all its little spindly bits into an integrated circuit, or even light touch polishing, where you don't want to push too hard, but you want to get just enough to polish something up. All of those things are possible with complex software, but these new force sensors wouldn't need that expensive software. Epson's sensor does list at 6,500 euros, which is about a third of the price of an Epson robot itself, available after the Automatica Fair in Munich at the end of June. But an easier way to do tiny jobs. That sounds awesome. I would love to see robots doing this in action. I can't wait to see that kind of stuff happening. I want to see them do like painting models, or hammer models. Yeah. Force sensitive. I'm obsessed with the whole capacitor idea of a robot actually being able to pinpoint that location accurately. Yeah. I would love to see that happen, and then it solder it correctly. Oh my gosh, so cool. Yeah, the soldering actually becomes the easier part. Yeah, it would be. They could just have the iron, you know, as long as they know how to tin correctly. They have the iron just be part of their hand. They don't have to worry about fumes. Mm-mm. Yeah, this one caught my eye because, and I imagine there are other companies out there doing similar type of advancements, but using the inkjet printer technology as a way to add to robots. I think Epson has got something interesting here. Oh, I love it. Thanks to everybody who submitted stories. We could not do the show without your input, or at least it wouldn't be as good, and we appreciate the input that you give us. 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Amazon says there are tens of thousands of developers working with the Alexa skills set, and then we also saw on recode that Drupal creator Dries Wojtert, and that will be the last time I attempt to report Dries's name, has a column on recode called Here's How the Web Gets Conversation Optimized, and the short version is, Shannon, he's saying a lot of folks are looking at conversational web, both voice assistants and chatbots, and saying that is going to replace the web. We are no longer going to use the web, we're going to use these conversational assistants. He argues it's the opposite, that websites aren't going away any more than search engines made websites go away, and mobile made websites go away. He says, look, we just optimized for search engines so we could make sure we got discovered. We optimized for mobile so that when someone was on a smaller screen, the website still looked good. He's like, we'll do the same thing, we just need to optimize websites for conversations so that the information you're delivering over the website is easily consumable in a conversational interface. Yeah, we're currently seeing this happen with operating systems and with physical devices that we have, smartphones, we have the Amazon Alexa in our households, but we haven't quite seen it with websites quite yet. With operating systems, for example, you can just speak to your windows machine and the Cortana it will search for you how well that search does is up for debate, but it will work and it will give you some decent information. For myself, I can see this happening with websites. If you go to a website and you need to search for a specific item, for example, if you're going to Amazon and you need to shop for something, instead of typing it into your keyboard, you would just speak the thing instead. You can say, okay, Amazon, search for, you know, hairnets or whatever it might be, I don't know. My mom's a lunch lady so it makes sense to me. That's the kind of implementation for it. Other than that, I'm unsure how we would use it on websites. Yeah, that is one way you could use it on the website, but I think another way you could think about it is using the assistant and using the website to provide the information. For instance, the example that Drees gives is using Drupal 8, obviously, because he's co-creator or creator of it, to connect a grocery site to Amazon Echo. So what you do is you tag the items. His example is, and they've created a demo that does this. You are able to ask Alexa what's on sale at the grocery store and then you can ask her to notify you by text message when items do go on sale. If bananas aren't on sale, he's like, let me know when bananas go on sale. Got a discount. And all you'd have to do at the website is tag them appropriately so that you know what things are on sale. The person who runs the grocery store doesn't have to know anything about Drupal, doesn't have to do any coding, just goes into the interface and says these are on sale now, these are on sale. And then the Alexa API talks to Drupal 8 and is able to say these are on sale now. And it's optimizing the website, but you don't have to visit it in a typical browser. From a coupon or perspective, I love that idea. I like that example. That's a great example. I think that a lot of people would use it's really consumer friendly and it would also be friendly to the current workforce too, because they wouldn't have to learn anything, just like you said. And that is one of my concerns too, is how are web developers going to be able to implement this in the future? Will they have to learn a completely new code concept or will they be able to use something like Drupal just to be able to implement it themselves? Will they have to go to a website like WordPress and have to install a certain plugin and will they have to pay extra for this to happen? There's a lot of steps that are involved when it comes to web development to actually make these things work in a friendly way for our entire consumer market, as opposed to just a few people that have fast internet. Those are very similar questions that we had with mobile optimization as well. And I think that's the compelling part of this that Dries is saying is, yeah, we definitely have challenges to overcome, but we've done that before. Nobody questions mobile optimization of a website anymore. Of course you do it and it's easy to do. It's now built in to WordPress as an example. It just automatically creates adaptive websites for you. Squarespace does the same thing. He's defining the web as any user experience that's delivered across multiple channels and devices, which is a loose definition, but I think he's kind of pointing the way of it is no longer a GeoCities page anymore to begin with, right? Websites are very dynamic and this is just another way for them to be dynamic. Ah, GeoCities. That was my love back in the day. Dynamic back then just meant the under construction thing flashed. Oh yes, the animated GIF or GIF depending on who you are. So another concern that I have is security. How are websites going to be implementing voice conversation in a way that is very secure and privacy oriented for the people that are visiting that site? Would it be always on or are they going to be able to use a trigger word whenever you go to a site and be able to use that functionality? Yeah, and especially if I'm a web developer and I decide, okay, I'm going to play in the Alexa universe and I'm going to have it embedded Alexa thing on my website at some point in the future that people can use. Well, what happens to that data? Who has control over it? Because I'm going to get blamed if there's some misuse of that data, even though it's Amazon that may be misusing it because it was delivered through my site. So that is something that I think we're going to have to see even more transparency than we have now. And currently we do have some transparency with Google and Amazon, correct? Yeah, Google does the best as far as I can tell. Now granted, my wife works for YouTube, which is Google, etc. But the reason I like it is that you can go into the Google Assistant Google voice and audio activity we'll have a link in the show notes and see everything you've done on the Google voice assistant and delete it piece by piece. One of the problems is if you delete these things then the assistant doesn't learn as fast because the more data it has the better it gets at recognizing what you want. But Google says, well, that's fine. You don't have to keep every single thing here if you don't want some of these more embarrassing searches in there, get rid of them. But you can also see this is what it's got and play them back, mind you, as well. Amazon does a similar thing. You can go into the Alexa app and play back what you said to Alexa. You can even correct it and say, no, she didn't hear me, right? Which kind of helps the feedback and you can delete it as well. Amazon also lets you go and manage your devices page if you just want to get rid of everything from a device. Let's say you sell it or something that might be a good way to do that. Siri and Cortana are a little less friendly. Siri, the only way you can get rid of the Siri searches is to turn it off on your device and they even disassociate content from your ID and retain it for a period of time. Which doesn't tell you anything. I assume anything that is retained would be retained for some period of time. The problem that I currently have with that functionality and yes, I do use Google's voice conversational functionality and I use Amazon's Alexa. Sorry guys, if you have... We keep tripping their echoes. Voice biometrics, that's using biometrics of your vocal data and turning it into a pattern that can give you some kind of authentication for a website. If people are able to grab on to that voice biometric data and use it for authentication on some other website, you're kind of screwed. I would like to see more companies be able to use this information to give us better consumer functionality but at the same time, protect our security and privacy unless voice biometrics as authentication somehow goes away. Yeah, no, it's a really good point. This is valuable data that you not only should be in control of, but the company should guarantee that they are securing in a way that only you can get to it. And again, part of that has to do with two-factor authentication and access to things like that. I think I may have skipped by this, but Cortana provides a way to clear recordings in the Cortana app. You can also do the Bing management to kind of get rid of things in bulk as well. Interestingly, from a blog post that Dries put up last year, this is the last point I want to hit on this, in the next 10 years, he says, we will all witness a transformation from a pole-based web to a push-based web. Now that sends me way back to Netscape was pushing this back in the late 90s. Like, oh, it's going to be push, if you remember that. But Dries says, when this big reverse is complete, the web will disappear into the background much like our electricity or water supply. We'll forget what www stood for. That makes me sad. Some of us won't. Some of us will remember Tim Burtersley, don't you worry. But I think Dries, as much as I want to make fun and go, yeah, they've been telling me since Pointcast that we're going to get the push web, we may actually be in a position where it can finally happen now. Hmm. But I don't want it to happen. Well, and it wouldn't necessarily eliminate the ability to pull, right? It's not a one or the other. But the dominant use might become, and I think he overstates it when we say, we'll forget what www stood for. We're already seeing some of that happen now. With just with a search bar on our phones or with being able to voice communicate with your phones. We don't use a browser as much as we could right now. We get notifications whenever things pop up and we can just reply in line with the notification as it is. So actually having to go to that information as opposed to having it just come to you automatically, it's currently happening. I've noticed in podcasting too where it used to be everybody knew you go to the website of the podcast and you get the podcast. Nobody does that anymore. Very few people. They're like, why isn't your podcast in X app if it hasn't showed up there? It is becoming more of a push world and Dries points out Facebook as an example of that. You don't go to people's profiles, you go to your news feed where things are pushed to you. Twitter is kind of the same way. It's pushed to you. So I will not forget. Neither will I. We'll make that packed, you and I. Pick of the day comes from Trenton and Sunny Murfreesboro Murfreesboro not Murfreesboro, there is a difference. Trenton says I would like to see DTNS fans join the Spaces Group. Remember Google launched Spaces on iOS and Android. As he wrote us, which was about a week ago there were less than 50 people. The app seems to make it really easy to share specific things in different ways or directly from the app. The app design is great and I love the interface says Trenton. Maybe it's just me, but I haven't found a Reddit app that makes me want to use Reddit and I can't share to Reddit from Feedly. Spaces solves that, making it easy to share and encourage conversation. So you can go to get.google.com slash Spaces if you haven't downloaded it already and then once you're in give Trenton us, do Trenton a solid if you try this out and sign up for the DTNS page. I should do it too, actually. This is cool. I just realized I meant to do this before we put this as a pick and then I didn't. I think I'll join it too. I won't join it right now because that'll make the show bad. But I promise Trenton, by the time this is published I will have joined Spaces. I said your picks to feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. You can find more picks at DailyTechNewShow.com slash picks. A bunch of messages today. Kevin said he was listening to episode 2774 when Scott Johnson and I were talking about the rise of messenger apps and voice assistants as a matter of fact. Kevin says I first noticed this a little over a year ago when some people would talk to their phones and listen to replies on the phone's speaker not while in a phone conversation but while using a messenger app like WhatsApp to send and receive voice messages. You could easily tell because they would look ridiculous when they engage in a conversation. When they were speaking they'd hold the phone like you would as if you blow a kiss but speaking into the mic and then listening same as above but have the phone speaker right next to your ear. Fast forward to today and it's so commonplace I don't even bat an eyelid anymore. You're right in your assumption that it's mainly the Chinese Asian market that does this because typing in the non-Roman alphabet is harder and slower than recording a voice message to reply back and forth but I found myself doing it on occasion where it was just easier to speak my reply rather than type it out. It also has the added bonus of getting the tone of the message across. I'm not ready to have the world listen in on my private conversations over speakerphone but it seems for a large part of the Chinese population maybe convenience Trump's privacy? I saw no one doing this in Japan at all but the few times that I did it when I was walking and trying to see where I was going and tell somebody my directions at the same time while walking around like Tokyo I was doing it very commonly and people didn't give me any kind of second look so it must be pretty common but it does look weird. Well and you know all these things looked weird having a Kindle looked weird I remember on the BART and then suddenly everybody had Kindles having an iPhone having a touch screen phone was like an attention getter at one point not anymore everybody's got those. Al Balboa asked on our blog is the Uber story about the Saudi Arabian investment a tech news story in fact is Uber really a tech company at this point? How are they different from say dominoes you use their app you order their service they deliver and they charge your credit card pizza or a ride they both have to anticipate demand plan the resources keep overall expenses to a minimum but I don't see anyone calling dominoes a tech company and who knows both maybe utilizing autonomous vehicles before too long as well and I think this is a great question because I remember in the early days of the screensavers and call for help at tech TV we got to a point where we were like look just because somebody created a website doesn't make it a tech story right back in those days we're getting to that point with apps like well wait a minute just because it has an app doesn't mean it's a tech company I think that we've we've been looking at at it for the previous years as where did they start for a company did they start with the app or did they start with you know making pizzas for dominoes they started with making pizzas and then started building the app for Uber they started with the application and that was the the brand of their business was the application that allowed you to call cars so I really do believe like it's it's where a company starts is what makes them what makes us consider them a tech company but you're right it's so commonplace nowadays I mean everybody's starting an app everybody is building something so not everything necessarily has to be a major tech story these days I think and I wrote this in a comment back to Al the the defense you can make for Uber is what you just said you could also say that they are blazing a trail for workers classification the whole thing about you know are they full-time employees are they contractors that was not an issue before the internet and apps so there's a tech spin to that but I think the biggest thing that makes Uber still be a tech company is the fact that they are engaging directly in research and development to build self-driving cars you know they hired basically all of Carnegie Mellon's researchers and and they are they are doing direct research they're not just waiting to buy something from somebody else so in that respect Domino's I don't think is funding direct research and any kind of technology so that would be the clearest reason that Uber I think still qualifies as a tech company but it's a great it's a great point to say like hey man app doesn't make you a tech company anymore do I have to do a disclaimer here and say that I used to work for Domino's and manage one of their stores yeah I think you should I'm glad you did that we avoided conflict I now I have to disclose I used to work for Pizza Hut too so there you go didn't everybody rich from lovely Cleveland says Tom Shannon and fellow Clevelander Len the talk of Apple releasing a monitor with an external GPU built in reminded me of this DIY solution and NanTech covered a few years ago it's pretty hacked together but it is possible to have a full desktop GPU over Thunderbolt 2 there are a number of caveats it's expensive $300 on top of the graphics card that you have to buy Thunderbolt throttles the performance anywhere from 10 to 30% and it only works with an external display but assuming Apple's pricing is in line with their cinema displays aka crazy expensive and the GPU will probably not be refreshed as fast as most gamers would like this might be something to check out as a DIY alternative ooh hello yeah and then Rich also said if someone would like me to test this please feel free to send me all the required supplies and I'll give it a go including the GPU on top of that well I'll link to that in the show notes too but it's a pretty cool project a couple more here Russell said on yesterday's show you and Justin were discussing Twitter relative to other social media and messaging platforms we use Twitter for business and find it to be the most engaging B2B social media platform we've read that it is the top social media platform for business which I think you mentioned as well while the platform is not really aggressively evolving as others it pretty much works very well as it stands tech business growth targets are generally pretty high relative to other businesses and maybe Twitter needs to adjust those targets and focus on strengthening what they have that people seem to like and use just my two cents yeah I could agree with them I use Twitter a lot for business that's where I get most of my stuff done and that's where I meet and I introduce myself to a lot of other people working in the same genre as I do and then I was comparing Twitter, Yahoo, and Snapchat we were kind of putting them on a timeline and then of course the news came out from the New York Post today that apparently Twitter discussed a merger with Yahoo it's not going to happen according to the New York Post it's not going to happen because of the resources they walked away without agreeing to pursue the deal but that was just that was crazy crazy coincidence and finally from Gadget Chaser the first DMV DTS listeners meetup for those of you in California or other places with the Department of Motor Vehicles this means Delaware, Maryland, Virginia not Department of Motor Vehicles the first Delaware, Maryland, Virginia DTS listeners meetup is going to be Saturday, June 10th, 2016 at 1pm UTC O'Sullivan's Irish Pub & Restaurant in Clarendon, Arlington, Virginia there's a link to where that is that we'll put in the show notes as well Gadget Chaser says he's working on an announcement for the subreddit later tonight so keep an eye out for that as well we also had another person who's looking for a Captain Crunch whistle because he wants to use it to teach his students like one of the ones from the 60s the Captain Crunch I found one on eBay for like 200 bucks which is way more expensive than a teacher in Virginia could use but if anybody knows about that keep an eye out because I told him to post in the subreddit as well which he has done and I don't know maybe he can go hang out because he's in Richmond, Virginia maybe he could make it over to the Washington DC meetup in Arlington I'm pretty sure that Saturday is the 11th so Gadget Chaser might want to check that but I'm pretty sure he's talking about the 11th he put UTC which is good which makes me wonder is it really 1 p.m. at the 11th anyway look for the subreddit we'll clarify this in a bit thank you Shannon Morris for joining us as always what you got cooking thank you let's see on hack 5 we pretty much wrapped up our drone build it was super super fun and we got to flying so we have been discussing how to fly and understanding what kind of different drones there are so if you're interested in building your own drone and learning what kind of concepts you need to understand in the theory behind flying drones definitely check out our newest episodes at HAK5.org and on tech thing since I just got back from Japan I spent two weeks over there and a lot of it was focusing on what kind of technology they use so it was really fun to go a little bit in depth with what kind of Japanese technology I saw and what kind of technology I used when I was going overseas and then of course HAK5 is up for a podcast award along with a lot of our friends so if you're a diamond club member yeah HAT.T2T2.EU is where you can find out all the information and you can vote for us along with all of our podcasting buddies so thank you everybody who's voting yay thanks T2T2 and everybody else in chatroom oh my pleasure Len Peralta has been making a drawing that I think incorporates your new hair color it does it's a picture of Shannon and you know here's the thing I really enjoyed hearing about conversation optimization as reading about it I think that is the way that technology is going to be going in the future for sure but you know at this moment right now Friday second of 2016 this is what it would be like to talk to the internet obviously it would be a phone with the Chewbacca lady on it Chewbacca lady phone and you know all the great things that you would expect to hear on the internet you know like yes spoiler alert and on fleek and Kardashian and Yolo Bro and FML and kthxbye yeah that's what I would expect to be like the image itself of course is of Shannon who you know gets a little bit feisty on this one saying what the hell up already I don't even know if you really talk like that you got the color tone of my purple hair just perfectly you know that the Chewbacca lady needs a mask to make the chewy noise but I can actually make that noise on my own can you do that right now here we go ooh yes that's ridiculous that's wonderful oh my gosh that's even better better that has me laughing but better because got talent level right there um yeah so this image of course always as a as always available on my online store lamparaltstore.com uh you can also back me up patreon patreon.com forward slash line back at the dts lover level and you get this uh and many other of my images actually all of them uh as a high res digital file um and also i just want to also remind people dads and grads it's that time of year again and the online store of course is a great way to hire a professional artist and uh bring them into your home now you know not actually physically bring them into home but my art make you spaghetti yes i'll make you spaghetti i'll go to uh to do that uh and so that's a great and uh my art makes a great gift so you may want to think about that as you are trying to come up with something very interesting uh for this very very busy gift giving time of year so there you go excellent by the way this just in tinvec points out if you want to vote for the podcast awards you can also go to hat dot t2 t2 dot e you meaning the emoji hat what t2 t2 dot e you that's amazing as tinvec says because t2 t2 is badass like that um actual emoji in the url uh thanks to everybody who supports the show if you're willing to keep us 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resistance i haven't done that in a while i'm glad it came out correctly yeah well i know how that goes when you're like okay i think i used to be able to do it you nailed it that was good i did that once for peter mayhew at a fan expo in toronto oh yeah what he was like he he laughed he was like wow that was really good i was like yes the man himself approves that's pretty cool so uh showbot.tv if you want to vote on our titles we've got a bunch over there if you're watching live right now leading the way is boring but informational news of the day or dtns now with more clowns i'm not going to use either one of those but i appreciate the sentiment that's us my co-host used to work for dot i saw that one too because we can flip that one make a pizza hey it works both ways oh man farewell to fidel it's pretty nice she seems to have a mechanical touch that's a genesis man i know i got that stuck in my head now thanks a lot dark redeemer kenya believe it fidel leaves the nest that's a good one fidel leaves the nest is pretty good yeah all right let's go with that fidel leaves the nest that's a good one i tried to went to copy it and it's like you've already voted for this sit down it's very good with the uh making sure you don't you don't slam with him all right all right where do you vote a show about dot tv oh okay i will um i will always disclose my pizza conflict of interest for now on i'll do this i will i can i plug something that we're not recording anymore right t2 t2s like there's a copy mode oh there is i just didn't see it thanks man that will stop me from having to do that well done uh i'm sorry what'd you say lind i was gonna say we're not we're not recording anymore right no we are well we are live we're alive so yeah so i wasn't gonna do that records on the youtube yes i wasn't gonna do this during the show but if if anybody is interested in mystery science theater 3000 go to kickstarter search ren fest oh yeah last six days of the campaign we're in the hall a lot but maybe in the last few seconds here something may happen but uh but i mean i don't know it's it's uh we're we're almost 73 000 yeah so if you go to search ren fest if you're a fan of freaks and geeks mystery science theater 3000 um uh those guys are making a show about renaissance fairs it's called ren fest check it out uh we got six more days left to go yeah i i think if you come on if you like freaks and geeks and or mystery science theater or both yeah i know oh i love those guys yeah you got a back it yeah it's pretty it's uh yeah you should probably do it in the next couple days that's a magic combination it's really cool it's and you can actually feel back you get to see the 10 minute mini pilot uh nice which is pretty cool so yeah it's very very cool i'm actually got tickets to go to one of those fathom events theaters to watch the msd 3k reunion oh yes yes that's coming up at the end of this month yeah should be very interesting for sure i'm looking forward to it that's gonna be fun well are they i i haven't looked into what they're doing because i don't want to be spoiled so maybe i shouldn't ask you because you might know what's that i'm wondering if they're going to have any of the new forthcoming people in all oh oh um yeah um i don't know if i know that or not oh maybe he does maybe he does it that's good actually because i now believe that you don't know if you know yeah i don't know if i know that or not uh it's um yeah and full disclosure on this ren fest i am i am the campaign manager on it so you know i buy i do love the campaign i uh i also uh i'm i'm sort of trying to keep it afloat here so and it's uh i imagine you running around with a clipboard yeah it's been like that for sure for the past month it's been really cool though i you know um you know i've i you know i would love this anyway if i were as a mystery science theater 3000 fan and uh and it's been it's been really really cool to be able to work with these guys on on kind of a you know uh you know professional level like this it's just where do i go is it kick started dot com yeah or you just go to ren festivity dot com oh ren festivity dot com yeah you can go there or just go to kick starter and search ren fest um but yeah it's been you know i was i i still have a card carrying member of uh mystery science theater 3000 so you still have your card uh i somewhere i do and i know my number i know my mst number somewhere it's somebody just backed it thank you good job that's awesome let's let's get all jerry loose telephone on this let's do it um no it's it's it's it's been really cool these guys are excellent and the live show is going to be really really great um and uh and yeah it's fun it's cool it's a fun little fun little project here i'll show the uh ren festivity dot com there yeah there we are yeah we got a long way to go for sure but uh but who knows you know maybe a last minute surge of people might be able to make this thing happen going into the weekend going into a beautiful weekend coming off a holiday weekend too what do you got this going on this weekend shannon um i'm still trying to figure out my sleep pattern so i'm gonna sleep a lot and wear y pj's and watch netflix and i'm a little jealous i have no plans oh and i have to pick up a bridesmaid dress yay always a bridesmaid because you already were a bride yeah that's right that's true i'm a matron of honor yeah i guess it is matron i don't like that word matron no that's not that's not fun you're old if anyone's wondering where roger is today uh he is driving to la what yeah he's looking for for they're making a move oh yeah so he's driving he's driving down here to do some house hunting this weekend so that's what i'll be hanging out with roger oh that's cool that's cool fun wow for me he's coming from uh from where we're san francisco san francisco okay him and the wife and the ellie and the little baby baby ellie which i think she's old enough that she won't be crying the whole way like she was the last time she's almost a year she's more than a year yeah she's more than a year yeah she's past a year now um uh that's kind of hit or miss you don't know she won't be crying in the same way right yeah yeah i guess what i'm thinking is like they might have a better time keeping her entertained now oh possibly you just never know yeah yeah you don't young young ends there just you just never know oh my gosh lenn i love tech boutique the one with amber mac oh thanks that is so cute yeah that was i like that one too that didn't get that much attention unfortunately but that there's some really cool ones yeah adorable i know there's some really cool ones the the the the last couple have been a little bit slow but so i'm like oh man i must good it's hard to come up with these ideas sometimes it's the summer lull maybe it might be it might be amber mac one was really fun though yeah it's cute they're all at lenn peralta store dot com folks if you want to go look back yeah by the way just just so you know i've done 111 of these drawings for the show wow that's what something like that over 100 yeah over i know isn't that crazy uh it's it's actually it's actually closer to it's it's about it's not 111 but i've done over 100 for sure you could sell a book i know i had something i gotta figure out how to do yeah like i mean that you just need to hire somebody to do a layout for you and then you could self publish it this is really yeah it's fun to look back at these two there's so many funny ones darin darin finds his way into one of these well yeah because he's usually the one here on friday so yeah i love that it's funny darin has like a poster wall in his office of all the different ones yeah i know so cool yeah that amber mac one was a lot of fun i haven't gotten a frame for it yet but i have no addresses i got that one up in a frame next to my sailor moon and my cats and then i have my oh yes i love that one me too so cute that's like one of my favorite like recent ones that i did i'm like and so when i was going to draw you today i'm like oh man should i draw shannon because that one the last one i did was just like it was like the quintessential shannon drawing so it's like i could never top myself i know i can't you know i gotta you know so i wanted to do something a little bit different so i love it see i need to get frames i have the uh order 66 rule 41 uh one up there but it's not framed i need frames yeah i know it's not hard it's just time consuming even if you get someone else to do it you gotta take it there yeah gotta go to michael's or habela be there's a lot of framing stores around me though i can't complain about that even if it's not michael's hobby lobby all right i'm gonna figure out what i'm gonna do this weekend i'm trying to figure out if i should even make dinner there's not anybody here spaghetti yeah it's too much spaghetti on a hot summer day though it doesn't really work do a uh do a light spaghetti made of salad i might go out yeah just go out man we found a really great barbecue joint here in town i went to that last night and we went there last night and then there's a great fried chicken place too so i lean was out of town in los angeles the other night i'll explain that one in a moment uh and so i i just went to mitzua marketplace because i'm like oh yeah yeah i can is that the place you took me when i was out there yeah yeah that's good that's cool got myself some tendon whitefish so good that sounds good that's really good that sounds good i'm hungry um but yeah no they uh they had an off site for youtube in downtown la and it's so far traffic wise that they went ahead and paid for hotel rooms for people that work in la wow because that was more convenient than having to have people drive all the way down down like people be late they so so she was gone to los angeles from los angeles and then she was supposed to stay last night and she showed up at like one in the morning she's like i just figured it was better to come now while there isn't traffic at one of the morning than it was to like get up in the morning and try to drive home i'm like yeah you're probably right all right uh well that is it for our show this week thank you all for joining us you guys the best we love you and we will see you on monday right bye yay