 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast. It is Episode 7. We have got a full complement again this week. The Bushmaster General failed a late fitness test last week. Luckily for us, it was only a slight discomfort in the back. He's had treatment and he's back amongst us today. So Mr Bush, how are you? I'm good man, I'm good. My back still hurts. Sorry to be off last week but I bought some CBD oil from my back. Does that make me like a stoner? Do I have to start wearing a... No, it's all straight legal. That's it. I might start wearing tie dye or something like that. Do you know what I mean? I think you could carry that off. Thanks guys. That feels like a generalisation, doesn't it? I'm not sure the kids in Liverpool are wearing tie dye. They take CBD oil or other versions of it. Other versions of it that probably. It's a strange on that. It seems like it's come from nowhere, doesn't it? And it's always been legal and now you can get gummies in it. They give them out on planes, don't they? Do they? Yeah, apparently. They don't give them to the pilot. I just think it's really strange because you've got something that was at one point in recent history kind of seemingly contraband and not socially acceptable. And now they sell it in Holland Barrett? That's progress, Dave, it's progress. What is more, nothing says socially acceptable now than Holland Barrett. And it's four times the price of norm. Other stores are available and I'm quite sure Holland and Barrett in certain prices are competitive. When we were in Washington they had the real deal was legal, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. And surely they can make a version of it that doesn't stink. That's the one. Because the whole of Washington just stunk of weed. It should be like strawberry flavoured or something. Yeah, like vapes. They must be able to pop, but then again it's that's going against the natural elements of it, isn't it? There's now worse though being on a train. Someone gets on who's obviously had a bit of it. And it just stinks, doesn't it? I can't lift my handbag like Vic Reeves on shooting stars. Whenever that happens. When I worked as a taxi driver, people would get into the car just reeking of it just on their clothes and everything. And it was just hot. And then your car would stink and then people would get in and give you a little bit of a side eye. What have you been up to? And it was horrible. See the problem? I didn't wash eye there. So these smells of weed and feet. That's how I describe large areas of deprived areas in Liverpool of just smelling like weed and feet. The problem is as well is that it does stink. It's disgusting, isn't it? But you don't even get any benefit to that. It's not as if like the getting in your taxi and these things, but you're getting a little bit mellow. I don't think that's the best way to feel in a 12 hour shift. No, no, but just taking the edge off rather like CBD does CBD. Doesn't make you knock. I don't know, I've not had any. I've had some CBD. I haven't tried it yet. It's nice, it just chills it. Maybe next episode we could all drop a gun. Shall we? I've genuinely, I've got some downstairs. I've got sent like a free packet, but I've never tried it. Maybe next week is when we should try it. Or try it as per to air frying, what about that? We should do air frying on CBD. Can you air fry CBD? I'm not going to put my air fry through that. No, but you could make a snack with CBD. No, it doesn't have to. I've seen the Harry Bikers do an episode where they were in California and actually they went to a restaurant that specialised entirely in edible marijuana for one of a better thing. And they had gear and all sorts of stuff, you know. So maybe the air frying of the CBD capsules is the way forward. Maybe that's the way forward. To get back to the very first episode, Dave, what about a marijuana pasty? Absolutely, you know, I could do your CBD toast if you want. In the George Foreman lean grilling machine. That's all that. We could open a coffee called Amsterdam air fryer and just see what happens. Just run with it. Literally chip and pan fire. Kitchen fire every week. I've not been on the ball. That was the only time I've ever had any kind of experience of this world. My sister used to live in Amsterdam and so it was like an easy cheap weekend away. I went over with my missus at the time and my sister took us to some coffee shop and gave us some stuff which was perfectly legal over there, which was perfectly not legal where we live. It was like every stereotype. It's the first and only time in my life where it's actually kind of gone well or right in so much as... I just spent an hour walking around Amsterdam just giggling and eating individual slices of pizza and burgers and just general munchie stuff and then nearly got run over by a trolley bus. I'll be honest, I've been to Amsterdam twice and I haven't had any kind of substance and those things all happen to me as well. So, you know, there you go, there you go. Weird or without substance. What a place. Right, let's move on to football. We will come back to that. I don't want to move on to football. I don't really, but let's skate over it very quickly then. Let's go straight to the Red Light District and forget about football. CBD and the Red Light District with munchies. And that's a better podcast I think today. But let's quickly skate over Saturday night. Dave, we discussed last week that it was going to be a tough game. Remembering and shivering at the thought of the 5-0 only a few months ago there. Everton ultimately didn't lose 5-0, which was good. There was some slight improvements, but it was still a case of Roperdope, which we discussed the other week, really. They kind of drew us in and kept us at arm's length and comfortably won the game in the end. Yeah, I mean, listen, we said last week that I didn't fancy us at the weekend and actually Everton didn't disappoint in that respect. However, I have to say that it goes down for me to be all about those first two chances that were not put away. The Damari Grey one, which does, to be fair to him, clearly bobble up before he strikes a ball, and that's why he skies it. The Onana one, he should have got it between the sticks, definitely one way or the other. And I think that if one of those two go in, it's a different situation, but they didn't, and the age-old thing with Everton have ruined the chances, and they did very much. But listen, on the balance of the 90-minute spurs with the better side, we knew that they would be beforehand and they were. And I don't think we can have any complaints, to be honest with you. Andy? Yeah, no, I totally agree. The one thing that I was impressed with though, if you're looking for these small nuggets as we recover as a football team, which I think what we're doing is a season of recovery, is that once the second one went in, because it was the typical Everton pattern, wasn't it? Bit of dominance, missed a couple of sitters, you can see it's coming. Spurs are the masters of the dark arts of sitting back and drawing you on to. You know how the second half was going to go. It wasn't a penalty, as far as I'm concerned. No, I didn't think it was either. It's on his brool cream. And then it was just a mistake, it was a Tachowsky mistake for the second as well, but the key thing for me was that we just didn't collapse then. Last season we had collapsed and it had been four, five, whatever. And they don't, I feel like they have more resilience to them and kind of not stayed in the game, but we kind of weirdly had almost a kind of composed finish. So I know we didn't get anywhere near them in the second half, but we didn't absolutely all start arguing with each other and give up, which is what an Everton team last season would have done. So I think it can take some positives out of it. We definitely, as Dave said, we're soundly beaten, but I think in these little steps towards being a better Everton, I feel like there is some positives to gain from it a little bit. Paddy, you've got to score, don't you? Or if the target up. Yeah, I disagree with Dave. I think Damari Grace is woeful. Like I don't care if it's a bobble or not. I think that's woeful. It does bobble up though. It does, but he's a professional footballer. Come on. Maybe for me knew Dave that would have been different, but as a professional footballer I expect him to do a lot better. And I don't know how Nana is the same as well. The two people, two players, not really in fully control of the situation, and that's where Everton have got to improve. And it's same like what Andy said, Dave. It's a case of a bug. It's little, little small steps that you can see, but it doesn't have to make you frustrated when you actually do get opportunities. And there are, like we've said this a million times, you see other teams get results in games where they take those chances, you know. Teams have been to Anfield and teams have been to Old Trafford and the Emirates and the Etihad and they take those chances. And it's very easy to go, well, if we'd scored, Dave would have come back, but you never know. You've got to take your chances. And to have no shot on target, I think is abysmal. One on target in the last two games. Yeah, it's for well as we played in terms of stopping players doing what they do. That's abysmal. That's like, you know, and I know it is a massive improvement, but having no shot on target is an improvement for me. And that's where the forwards have got to get better. And that's where I think Frank Lampard's got to get better. He's got to have something else than just sit back and soak up pressure. That's great. Do you know what? The best teams in the world did that. Contest done that for years. Many nails done that for years. But you can't do anything if you don't have something at the other end. And that's what we're really struggling at the moment. If we had a... I'll just use La Carch, who has just an example, cos he's never been psyched. He was being prolific in the last 10 years. Something like him. And you're thinking, we're going to draw you in. Cos we're comfortable at defending. But when we actually counterattack, we've got a lad that you can stick it in the net. And I think as well, because we don't have that. Because we don't have that. When those chances do come along, and they're not going to come along very often, as you say in both the case of Gray and O'Nana, you've got to be doing something properly with it. Because it's not like, oh, we've got to screw those up, but there'll be another six along. Doesn't work like that. Is there a... And Andy did make the point, and I think he's right actually, is that, this season, do we just have to accept that this is almost... And when I say rebuilding, cos there is a rebuild, there's totally different plays in the team. But rebuilding, like Andy said, I guess the confidence and rebuilding evidence of the team is that. There are going to be these moments, I think, this season, where we lose three games on the run. I think it's going to happen. I've got to try to eradicate that. It can't happen regularly. It's going to happen this week, isn't it, I think? Well, it's up to us to make sure it doesn't. But the thing about it is, we might have to go through this pain this season, as long as we stay, as long as we're not in any kind of trouble. And the manager's done a press conference today and alluded to this as well, is that, like, this season is about almost creating the foundations for next season, but we still need results with that. I was going to say, it's great, and we're going to build foundations and everything, but you actually have to win points, you have to score goals. If you don't do that side of things, you won't be in the league. And I genuinely mean that. It's great being to say we're a lot better defensive, but if we can't put the ball in the back of the net, then we're going to really struggle. The player, Saturday was only the second side. No, I know, but how many goals have we scored this season? Eight. Eight, that's a woeful. And I am one person. I am someone who doesn't think Dominic Arblun is coming back. I really don't. I don't think Dominic Arblun is coming back as anywhere near that player. But does this not then put us back to, sorry to keep harping on about it, but the conversation that we had in terms of the inability to get that other striker in addition to Neil Mopat, who isn't really a prolific striker anyway, right? And we didn't do that. And now we find ourselves in this problem because I'm with you, Ped, is I don't think that Dominic Calvert-Lewin is ever coming back to being anywhere near what we thought he could potentially be. See, I mean, it makes me sad to say that about Dom, but I just don't think when I hear things like the manager say, we've got to be very careful. He's not training all the time. I just think, what's going on? What is going on with him? If there's other issues by football, that's fine. That's why I don't think he's ever going to come back. And I think you're absolutely right there. Mopat is nowhere near good enough for Evan to be playing on his own. He's just not. That's a fact. He's good enough to play maybe a split striker. And I think that's where he got the recruitment wrong. And we said this on Deadline Day, so it's nothing new. On Deadline Day, we sat here, and we watched the clock tick by, and we were like, we're missing a player. That makes it doubly hard, and we've seen that on Saturday. But there's a lot of other points out there. You've got to play 13 other teams twice. There's a lot of points to take, and I think Evan has just got to grow. But when Dave said there about maybe three losses in a row, Newcastle actually is a place where we've got to go and sort of puff out our chest a little bit. And those games like Palace coming up and Leicester and Fulham, we've got to go in those games and really have a go. And that I suppose, it's not out of the pressure, I suppose, but that's what's got to happen. Andy? I think this is probably going to be the game plan that I think this season is going to be try and stay within touching distance and not get humiliated against the bigger teams and pick off the, but not expect to win. But then try and put away teams like, no offence to Palace or Fulham or Leicester or whatever. I think he's going to have to just suck it up against, like you say, against Man United or Tottenham. Even though we were kind of in the game, lose them, but then try and make sure we beat the teams that are a bit more sadly at our level or below. And that's where it's going to be because I don't really see us turning over any of the top six really at all in a million years. I think we lose tomorrow night and I think Saturday then becomes a massive game because that will be three on the bounce and Saturday has to be a hard fought reset against Palace to then set us up for Fulham away. And then Leicester with a bit of momentum will do them as well. That's what I feel. I'm not going to worry though because I'm going to the game, the Palace game on Saturday. That's as you bloody jinxed it now. My dad is an Albatross. My dad's a terrible footballing Albatross. Obviously the lifelong Evertonian. He got me into Everton when I was a kid and everything, but he's coming with me as well and I am concerned. I don't know if anyone who listens to this podcast knows any like Shaman or people who do kind of cleansing, you know. I think he's a good. Something like that just like it's holy water or something. Shibidi oil. Shibidi oil. Shibidi oil. That's what we need. The coming to the Premier night I believe. Cleansers it. That's what I've heard. Shibidi night. Bring you that. Dosing your dad up like Mr. G before he goes in. It'd be like Jim Robinson, a magic mushrooms on Navers. Earlier episode of Navers. Jim Robinson and Doug Willis. Doug Willis. It'd be like that. He's been a fellow with the ute. Doug Willis. I think Doug had a ute. Everyone had a ute. Doug was the man. Jim Robinson ended up having a fantastic film career. He ended up being in all kinds. He was in the event. He was in 24. He was in 24. He had a fantastic movie career in the end. I'll tell you something really weird. My brother Simon had a VHS cassette with. He would record all the neighbors deaths on it. It was like a death tape. He didn't have a heart attack in the kitchen but actually fall into the lounge. He actually moved across. I think it took him 10 minutes. He pulled a tablecloth off with loads of fruit. That's an amazing thing. How did he know they were going to die? Neighbours at one and again at half time. He knew. Simon had it wrong. Simon was all over. He wasn't a mystery. Simon like that to everyone. I think Helen Daniels is going to pop it tonight. People are complaining about the BBC schedules now. Playing everything three or four times. We lived off this writing for that. You can impress your friends by being at home for dinner. A head of the game. I've got a feeling Helen Daniels is not looking good here guys. I've just got a bad feeling about it. Selling spoilers in school. You know what I think is going to happen tonight? That's what it's like. Is there anything more depressing than watching both additions of neighbours in one day? I know it can't happen anymore but there was nothing more. That was school holidays for me though. Was watching double neighbours. Did you see the last one? I thought it was really disappointing. That's why it was the last one. I've not seen it for years but I thought I would go back and revisit it because it was one of those moments in television history and I thought it was really boring and nothing really happened. Kylie was in it though, right? She never really said anything. It was really odd. Paul Robinson. You've been in it for years. There was a ghost in it as well. I think she was in it. I was just one of the Alessi twins in it. They should be well yet. They would have pulled people to do it. I was a big fan of the Idigars as well. I was thinking it was a... I just like Bouncer's Dream. Remember Bouncer's Dream? What a classic TV moment? CBD oil for dogs. Bouncer's dream. A classic moment when the whole episode was about the dogs dream. You wouldn't lie and extend the twitches. It was not brave enough. That was brave TV. But they were dream of Baradog. That was up there with Bobby Ewing coming out of the shower. Classic Dallas. Brookside Lesbian Kisses and all the rest. Again classic TV. Just don't get that kind of television anymore. Barri Grant, remember coming back into Brookside and all that, that was amazing. I don't know if you guys have... You'll remember Brookside. But do you ever remember Brookside after Darkwood because... No, when VHS has become really, really obviously cheap. So they did specials for them. And they had these like Brookside after Dark and you'd have Jimmy Corkill swearing in them because it's cold. But it was just the worst example of swearing. It was just ridiculous. It was luck, we can say. Barri! And Dickhead, like for no reason. It was absolutely brilliant. Cisle. I don't remember that. He's one of the gangsters. And Barri Grant came back and like he was the gangster one and he had to take this. Did you run the Brookside fan club or something? I was there, it was all over it. It was a time when Brookside was good. And then he disappeared again. Fair play, fair play. I don't know why we got here but we're here. Remember Jimmy Corkill locking his lad in the thing because he was cold shaking and all. Incredible times. I don't know, old stuff. That's what Andy does. Talking of which, I have a question for Mr Andy Bush and his radio station. I don't know whether this is something that you heard or thought about before but on absolute radio now they have... Is it seven different stations? Seven, yes. But only four presenters. Honest to God, it's like a round robin. Here's what I don't understand. I was listening to you and then I was flicking between absolute 90s and absolute the ordinary one. Absolutely ordinary. The regular one. Absolutely ordinary, I believe it. I was flicking. How on earth do you do a show where you as the presenters are doing your links but then there's seven different songs so you don't know whether you're playing my sharoner and Ebony's are good or how does that work? It's nine different playlists with one show when we press the button nine different songs from nine different decades to go out. How do you get the timing right? Do some go slightly faster and some go slightly slower so they all end at the same time? They handpick them and match them all up together. Six of these songs are shorter so you normally get two in the space all handmatched by the computer but as you rightly say Dave from a presenters perspective it's a context nightmare because you don't know what's going to come off the back of what you're talking about. So you might be talking about something and then don't stand so close to me by but the police might come off the back of you talking and it gives an unwanted context so it can be a nightmare and also you can't say that was this anyway next because it depends what station you're listening to so all your usual gubbins when you're presenting a radio show are not there anymore. Presumably though you will be listening to so are you listening to what you're playing on the regular station? Absolutely ordinary. You're listening to that right and then that's your norm. Yeah that's it. When it goes well and it goes well most of the time it's amazing but it's amazing computer screen with hundreds of different songs going out but when it crashes it absolutely screws up. It's like an F1 car coming off the track everything goes wrong, wheels come off it loads of songs all play at the same time so when it's good it's good, when it's bad it's awful. What a fascinating. It's at the end of the day. What an insight. Don't stand so close to me could be when you've just finished talking about weed. You should be able to fill them but if it's... Whenever something bad happens on the radio they go through and they get rid of songs about dying so many bad things happen in the world then they are very context sensitive. If you talk about obviously it's x amount of years the day sadly we lost Princess Diana and then you play Crash by the Primitives The Primitives always get cold don't they? They always do. I feel bad for them. What an absolute ordinary record. I know but this is it so that's why context is everything and it can be a nightmare if you don't know what the song is that follows what you're talking about. Do you know what I mean? So there you go. What an insight. It's not just people talking bollocks on the radio is it? That's all the same. There's an actual plan. It's crazy. Speak for yourself when David was on the radio I used to always wonder how he managed to talk all the way up to the lyrics of a song and then when I got into the radio I found out the little tricks. I thought he was a magician but I found out the tricks of it. I thought he knew every single song and how far into it the lyrics started but then there's a timer Not on my side of the desk. I genuinely mine was all fail. I was very much analogue in that respect. He sensed it. He knows. Go back to 40 for a minute. Obviously that was that done but Frank Lampard on his press conference was asked about obviously being seen getting strength off of the weekend for not being happy but talked about pressure on managers and social media and radio he referenced he was listening to the radio on quite one station I won't say it might have been absolutely old when he was talking about managers managers getting sacked but do you think obviously both in the media do you think that it is going a little bit far where people discussing which managers being sacked next is now we've gone too far across the line so it's almost become a fascination but that then brings pressure to whoever is doing the job I can remember whenever a new manager to get a job it was almost like you pulled out a a line which said you've got to give him 18 months let him get his own players in let him get his pattern when now it seems like 18 weeks is a luxury show have we created the situation where there's a fascination on people losing their jobs yeah it's not healthy is it you know the turnaround at the moment across every division within English football is absolutely ludicrous I think there was a stat whereby we had Les Ferdinand on the official EFL podcast as we clang and the stat was something like a quarter of the EFL managers have already been dismissed at the stage where we are now which is just a ludicrous scenario and it's just because because obviously everybody wants instant success and often this is driven by owners of football clubs who with the greatest respect and a sweeping statements sometimes they are not the best equipped to know what should and shouldn't be done in terms of the culture of the club and the culture of English football and they think right well I've put in this many millions of pounds to buy whatever club it is and therefore why aren't we sitting in the top six but it is a ridiculous situation where as you say you are already earmarking who might be next to go and all we need is a few losses on the bounce and suddenly Lampard's name will get mentioned as being in trouble or so and so will be in trouble and then sure enough they are gone it must be a very difficult situation to work under Andy I think in society in general we are obsessed with people getting sacked whether it is politics or football or even if your celebrity the past or said something now that people don't agree with then there's a pile on they try and get you sacked or chucked out of whatever you're doing so I think you're right Bas I think there is like an obsession with getting people out of jobs and having vindication all that kind of stuff and I have to say respect to forest because I 100% thought they were going to sack it I said it I, I thought it's great because he's a great manager you can't just keep firing managers that's not the answer to the problem we know that better than anyone we had this conversation yesterday me and Paddan my personal view is that it's far too easy to blame the manager I never have done that regularly since Masier he took over especially the minute results don't start going your way it's I just feel like sometimes these players at these clubs just get off scoffery you know someone says something they don't really like so all your mates getting dropped and it's all of a sudden this fella doesn't know what he's on about and he dropped the standards then the new fella will come and start winning this fella is the best in the world and then they don't like him because he drops one of them over and then it starts again I know it's easier to get to the one fella is to get to the 20 but you have to surely allow people to get on with the job listen if you're getting beat fired in every single week you can't you can't stay can you because at some stage you've got to say well it's not really working mate the manager we're getting battered every single week there doesn't seem to be any improvement I understand there's a need of time to change your manager but I just feel like the media has cranked that right up when I think back to the last 10 years of Everton Managers so I've still got the end of David Moyes at the time Moyes had rocky spells for Everton Managers everybody piled on him because he couldn't win at the top four club away and yet we beat most of them at home under him and then Martinis had two terrible seasons and survived when at the end of his second bad season his third season at that time period got shorter shorter shorter shorter shorter now in the last but I do think there's a couple of reasons for it one being that the financial disparity between the Premier League and the championship is just ridiculous like it's far too big and therefore managers in the championship are under so much pressure to get into the Premier League and the managers in the Premier League are under ridiculous pressure because if Forrest do fall out of the Premier League this season financially they could be ruined and that shouldn't happen and it should be the same way but you'll decide if it is though and I think this is where the football club fail massively is I don't think they open up themselves enough for the media and then the media start poking holes in everything they do because they don't have the answers to the questions they ask I think football clubs are far too scared of the media and this is a media by the way that pays their bills it's kept Evan afloat for the last 25 years so and therefore yeah but I don't care about others I always say this I don't care about other football clubs I care about mine football club it's kept Evan going for 25 years before Mishiri coming and yet Evan have this closed door policy don't look behind the care the reason man has stayed for two extra years was because man has was so good with the media then everyone liked him he created this illusion that he was a brilliant guy a brilliant manager and no one wanted to see him sacked everyone in the media really liked him you see this with people it's why Harry Redknapp is a good manager why he stuck around for so long it's because the media loved him he was great exactly though but he showed that he would always open the door and transfer the deadline football clubs are terrified of the media so they bring on that scrutiny which shouldn't happen because if you go somewhere like America they have an open door policy they are like you pay our bill in fact it comes from the league these people pay our bills you speak to them and if you don't we find you and yet we have this thing in this country where if anyone has clopped the wrong question it's how dare you shut up you make for us not the other way around mate and that has to change if you start to give the media a lot more access the media would back off all that stuff personally I think because they'd have loads to talk about it's like with the art setter thing with the arsenal documentary on Amazon for those few weeks that it was on the media had loads to talk about in terms of art setter because they suddenly and they would relate to things from the year before and go so you're on the documentary on this and even though it was a year old they had something where they could go because managers are like I don't want to talk about that you should have to talk about it the football club protect them we were in America we've seen the difference in what we do here where it's really difficult to get to speak to people and what you find is the people themselves want to talk the people themselves want to come and talk to us yet the football club tries to keep them away and when we went to America we were on different continents and the rules were different and in America certainly the press guys we spoke to were like speak to whoever you want go wherever you want get as much information out there as what you want and yet this country for me is miles behind in terms of that you guys are in the media what do you think I wanted to jump in in terms of a lot of attention is put on managers and obviously they talk about players playing for a certain manager they talk about players not playing for a certain manager has he lost the dressing room etc etc and asides form and fortune can fluctuate hugely however ultimately the question of when lose or draw on a Saturday afternoon or a Sunday at 7 o'clock or whatever is ultimately down to that squad of players and the application that they put in because the manager and the coaching staff only do so much and once they cross that line then it's up to them now herein lies a big problem in modern day football is the fact that there's no real accountability and no real responsibility and I know that that's a huge sweeping statement and it's something that I do quite a lot but this is a problem with the modern day football is that when you're sitting on that salary and you're thinking well do you know what I get it anyway right whether he's the manager next week or the week after that or whatever I'm only a year into a four year deal and I'm on 80 grand a week or whatever it is or I'm on 180 grand a week or whatever because quite frankly he'll probably disappear and I'll get somebody else I might play, I might not, who cares I still get paid and also even if I leave this club because of who I am I'll get picked up by somebody else and I'll probably double my money so why do I give a fuck really we had the two boxers in last week we had Everton who became Welsh champion and Peter McLeil won as well but they were saying things and it just come up in the conversation and it was like we get injured we don't get paid, that's it we can't fight and they were like footballers get injured and you know we get paid for four years and if you're like that's a bit tight we've seen it with them it's slightly describing Jack Rodwell in the Sunderland just sat on the treatment bench taking a wage packet no that's it, I think things do have to change from that I think there was a documentary about Meepo Mollie as well and she was into she had like a four fight contract and she was on the last one and she knew she didn't win it she'd be out of USC, the highest place and she won it and she put everything into it and days right footballers footballers have these class dying contracts which you're right some weeks they'll be like I don't really feel like it or whatever I know if they had to play that wouldn't always be the answer because you don't exactly know what's going on with footballers but it does make it far too easy for them I don't like this fella I'll just sit it out and wait for the next fella and suddenly what you get as a situation I think whichever and I've already experienced by the way which is where because you have so many different managers anything this must happen in the championship as well massively you have so many different managers with so many different players that how can a manager ever go in and enforce his will on a set of players that hardly any of them are his players I think Frank Lampard what's being good with Frank is I think he's got a set of players in really quickly or who are his players and I think he did a podcast this week with Michael Calvin and he said it was dead important I got a couple of leaders in the dressing room because they lay down the law essentially for everybody else and they're Frank's men and sorry to jump in but they are very much the exception to what I'm saying before because there are those characters and when you get those good characters they're worth their weight in gold and I think in Conor Cody and in Tarkowski you have those sort of rocks in the dressing room but unfortunately there's not enough of them and there's too many people in my opinion and you were talking about Forest before for example who have signed so many players that should they go down which is a possibility I don't want them to but they could go down they could potentially face financial ruin because of the gamble financially that they have made in order to try and sustain their position in the Premier League but it's the fact that the club could be facing ruin the manager could be out on his ass yet these players have still got another three years to remain on their contract so do you know what I don't care where they would play because I still get paid but then we've got situations we've got situations where Forest have paid £40 million from Morgan Gibbs White and God knows what kind of contract they've offered them and it's like that has to stop that has to stop that has to stop there's been no thought process behind 15 of Forest to buy this summer that just hasn't and now we're coming through at the end but obviously we've got we've talked about Newcast we all agree it's a very tricky game for Everton but Saturday is Crystal Palace at home which is again another difficult game there's a big physical side Patrick Vieira has got we know what they like the famous Scottish Knight has it's become we saw them at close quarters they went soon enough Andy you'll be there like you've just said this is again that Everton have got to win isn't it regardless of what happens at St James's Park Saturday surely is again we've got to be looking to take all the points from well yeah I mean as Dave said earlier on I think we're going to lose to Newcastle as we normally do it narrowly I think by the way narrowly but you know then you're looking at it's all narrative isn't it suddenly it's what would that be three losses on the trot and then suddenly you've got a bit of a nose dive going on and Frank's the one that suddenly gets shifted under the spotlight instead of someone else so yeah I think it would be that game to get ourselves back on track I always fancy us at Goodison and maybe be looking for a bit of a reaction to you know not really kind of that second half against Spurs where it just didn't really happen for them at all but yeah it would be interesting I agree with what you're saying about Calvert learning from earlier on as well just in terms of that the camera kept cutting to him sat there before he came on and just I don't know it just didn't look like he was like he fancied it in a kind of strange way so I don't know whether he would get more game time at the weekend but it would be interesting to see how that develops I don't know about you guys but I don't really feel like I know where we're at at the moment I can't quite tell and only through getting more games under our belt we're going to see what kind of team this is it's encouraging but like I think the more we see of them the more we'll know about it and Palace is the perfect kind of game to kick on to a little spell where there's a few teams on the trot that we need to we're going to go back to my theory from earlier on about staying within touch and distance of the bigger teams but you know bravely losing and then trying to clean up on the smaller teams then this is the beginning of a little sequence of teams that we need to be collecting points so that we can happily finish mid table and not have to worry about it Dave we've got four games after Newcastle let Palace at home full them away let's at home bomb us away and someone asked us on one of the other shows we did what's an acceptable points total for when we break for the well cup haven't there on ten two points from Trouble and four or five points from Euro if that's the scale but obviously for Everton if Everton could get maybe two wins and two draws out of those twelve points and get eight to eight I was going to say minimum of five points for me is it? Yeah I was going to say minimum of five points for me over those games that you've mentioned yeah being a necessity rather than a desire yeah we've got to because otherwise you slip very quickly and your league position changes as much as it goes up quickly it also comes down very quickly as well and you know while you're sitting there in 11th or 12th and everything looks kind of respectable and rosy and then before you know it you're looking over your shoulder again as we know to our fear last season and we cannot let that happen and we've got to try and make sure that we are in charge of our own destiny in so much as not allowing ourselves to get sucked that far down like we did last season where it was really really scary ironically it was a palace game as well that was the turning point but we've got to put these games away and while I don't think that we get anything at St James's tomorrow I think it will be a good game but I don't think we get anything there I think we narrowly lose that but palace we have to win to set ourselves up for full and away which I also think we win if we beat palace. Okay Pat to finally ten four games. I think we have to get around 18 points to be on about 18 points when the break comes and we've got to there has to be a shift in terms of when we do play the palace is the Leicester's Fulham's of the Wealth there has to be a shift where you can noticeably see the difference going forward I appreciate Spears of Waze and I was going to be the great example of your how good you are attacking but I think that has to come out because if it doesn't genuinely we are in trouble I know people are sort of very happy with the situation at the moment in one way in respects of we look much better but if you can't put the ball in the net then you've got problems so Newcastle will be a difficult game I think we can get something but palace then has to realistically be three points but it just feels like every game can be a little bit of a slog and that's where I think the frustration comes from is that you look at every game and you don't think that's a given and as I said if we can get maybe up to 18 points while we go for the break then I think everything will look a little bit respectable but get back have more players fit and then we've got the January transfer window hopefully we do some business because if we don't then we've made the mess of it personally any questions you've got for next week's pod random ones put them in and we'll take them out and use them for next week as well big thanks to the lads, big thanks for watching see you later