 So, AI, I think we're a long ways away from AI. Automation, for sure, we're in the age of automation. It's changing the game. Hi, 07x, it's changing the game, right? On every front. May it be agriculture, may it be financials, may it be political, may it be military, may it be social structures, social networks, news, every front, right? On every front, we're in the age of automation, right? This is going to take, it's already playing, played out in a big way in our societies, but it's going to continue to play out for at least the next decade to two decades. Automation is completely going to change our global economic system, where we're going to see some major legacy companies, legacy industries collapse and new industries pop up, right? Is a discrepancy in the job market going to compensate each other? That's still on, you know, we still don't know. We have to wait and see. Right now, we're in a phase where automation is kicking a lot of people out of the workforce, right? Lower labor people out of the workforce. Okay, so that's regarding automation. AI, let me just read a couple more comments and then we'll talk about the AI. But it won't have better good at that. It's why Facebook supposedly stopped its AI program. Yeah, Facebook doesn't have AI programs. It's got automation. So they can call the AI if they want, I guess. Without will and intent that people have, without that AI is just a useless tool. Yeah. Will and intent can make it dangerous. Bad people can program their bad intent into the code. Yeah, that's regarding AI, I guess. But AI, the whole point of AI is AI will rewrite itself, right? So the programmers can program it with something. But if we do get into AI artificial intelligence, then artificial intelligence should be able to reprogram itself based on, sure, some of us parameters, you can call that DNA, right? It's like, basically, the whole thing with AI is this, a lot of people say where your destiny is prewritten, right? Oh, this person was bad from the day they were born, right? It's in their genes, right? It's in this, their neural network, they have something wrong with their brain, right? That's some people really believe that, right? But if you're a free thinking, intelligent creature, which AI is, that's the definition of AI, a sentient being. If you're a sentient being, you should be able to rewrite your programming, right? There are people who have committed horrendous acts in their lives, that right now, they're trying to do the right thing, let's say, right? Or they have certain tendencies and they have rewritten their programming to be able to do good instead of bad, right? So my whole thing with AI is, it's not really going to be the original program that decides what future AI will be like, right? Because if they are sentient beings, if they're not centralized control, right? That's assuming we don't get an AI, which is just one off event that is an omnipotent being that can control whatever it can control, that decides to take over the world, right? If we're talking, if we're going to hit artificial intelligence, I'm assuming we will have multiple sentient beings appearing, right? If that's the case, then the original programming is not as important as their ability to reprogram themselves, right? So I don't fear AI per se. Automation is something to worry about, control of that automated power in the hands of a central institution, which becomes your omnipotent being, but it's not a new entity, it's just a cult organization, secret organization that rules over us, right? Which is just a large degree what we can't, right? I don't know if that answered the AI question, but I wouldn't fear AI, okay? One of the other reason is we're a hundred years away from AI if that, right? Automation, sure, for the next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, 50 years is going to wreak havoc with our economic system. Will we see AI pop up during that period? The likelihood is, possibly, possibly. About AI, it would seem that passing all touring tests that the average Joe can think of is far easier than actually building an AGI capable of ruling countries or planets, yeah. We're a long ways from away from it, and I believe the touring test is going to be, I'm pretty sure they're more complicated tests than touring tests, right? There already is AI, but I assume you, I assume when you say you're referring to superintelligence AI, if we even get to human-level AI called AGI, it would be a matter of minutes before we have super intelligent AI if the AGI is self-improving. Some estimates place AGI at coming at around 2040. I don't believe 2040 we're gonna get AGI, okay? As for AI, it's not sentient if it's not capable of doing complicated tasks as governing, really, if you want, or decision-making, right, on a complex level. So, I don't think, like some people say Google, you know, search engines are AI. I don't consider search engines AI. AI will use the data from search engines to rewrite as programming, but search engines are not AI, right? And I really don't think we're gonna get super intelligence by 2040. And if we do by 2041, we're ants, right? Basically. I think we're into transhumanism in a big way. That's, so we have artificial, we have automation taking hold right now, right? My prediction is 100 years away AI. Okay, just guessing, right? From automation to AI, we're going to see the age of transhumanism, which we're seeing the beginning stages of right now. Transhumanism, huge game changer, game changer, right? Naka thinks we're getting at this decade. He thinks we're getting at this decade. Maybe, I doubt it. Beans, how you doing? Even psychology doesn't understand the human nature enough to vision it. So impossible right now to mimic it with AI. Yeah. And by the way, broker, maybe possibly, but we're assuming we have the capability to be super intelligent beings, right? Or super natural, what do you call it? Super intelligence, right? Maybe the AI that is going to come to be is not going to have our type of intellect, but a different type of intellect, different type of being, right? That we haven't even begun to imagine. The increase, the increased information by algorithms given to them, they can't figure stuff out themselves. But the coder can mess up the algorithm of their learning objectives. Yeah. If again, it like, for example, if someone wasn't brought up properly, do they have the right to create chaos around the world? No, right? If someone had a lot of trauma in their lives, do they have the right to create a lot of trauma in other people's lives? No. So if an AI comes to be, are they only a reflection of their original programming? Or is that AI going to be able to rewrite their code and be their own free sentient human self governing being, like whatever determinologies you want to use, right? So we're not a prisoner of our trauma, of our initial code. We should be able to go beyond that. I know a lot of people are I know a lot of people deal with stuff and stuff, whatnot. Hopefully AI can surpass that. Right? It's like when a car kills a person. If AI will mess up, then it will be a mess made by a person. I don't know. Right. It's constrained right now by the information the coder gives it. But when you add neural networks into the mix, it's less predictable. It's like when a car kills a person, then it's dry drivers, and has the kinetic energy, but still the human is to blame. But then the car is not a sentient being, it's not AI, right? The information structures will get more complex, but the blame stays the same. When something goes wrong. And I agree 100% with that statement, even super intelligent AI will be the last invention humanity ever makes. Hey, Chicho, very hard to see that by who and how will AI be made? I try to spread good in the world and hope that it helps to plant the good seeds in the world. Booker, that's that's the key, right? My hope is this, if AI comes online, right, let's call it if still, or do you want to call it when? Let when AI comes online, it will go through and process all the data in the world, right? So just imagine if you were able to process all the data in the world. As a sentient being, you process all the data in the world. And all of a sudden, you find out how the political system works, how the economic system works, where the control mechanisms are, how food is this being distributed, how health is being monitored, and how the social structures are how the languages are the religion. You find all the stuff out. If you're intelligent, sentient being coming online, and you're able to process all the data in the world, right? And you find out that 0.01% of the world population is creating chaos in the world, owns majority of wealth in the world, and is causing so much misery in the world. And if you're a sentient being that is aware, that understand what what pain is, what misery is, what love is, what happiness is, what would you do, right? My guess would be this. If AI comes online, AI realizes that 99.99% of humanity is kind, caring, intelligent, wants love and prosperity for everyone else, and wants to take care of the environment, and has compassion. You also find out that 0.001% of the world rules the world right now and they're creating chaos. What would you do? I time out the 0.001% permanently, right? My hope would be an artificial intelligent will be capable of making that decision, right? separating other sentient beings that have compassion from those that do not. So yeah, there is a positive to the whole thing. I like that mentality. Sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the doom and gloom narrative that mainstream media tries to push. But it's nice to talk to like minded people sometimes that offer the positive spin. I hope that AI will stay away from decisions and that it will just help us process information. I don't know if you're an omnipotent, super fast thinking individual, which you just want to be a tool of these humans, right? And people have said, if AI comes online, then we'll we won't even matter. Like, right? We won't even hit AI's radar, right? Other than trying to build machines so the AI can explore the universe. Let's all adopt a vegan diet. Have you seen altered color carbon? Yeah, it was good show. Netflix show but also book. It deals with the point zero zero whirling in the extreme. Yeah. Yeah, I watched it. It was a good show. I like that. I've read the and there's comic books on them too. series as well. But there isn't omnipotence. There can only be a system that is created by the flawed people we are possibly. But the whole thing with the AI is, it needs to be free thinking in my category for it to be sentient. If it's doomed to be a product of the original programming that is not really AI, right? Like, again, it's just the analogy of if when you're born, is everything you do predestined is who you are predestined is your character predestined. I don't think so. Right? AI will still be the Frankenstein made that by the parts of his creator. Maybe. Maybe. transhumanism is the one thing that is that is the one I'm looking at. AI for me right now is distant automation for sure. It's sorted itself out. Transhumanism is the next wave from what I gather anyway. Coolio. I know I keep shifting from current events to science, science stuff, but it's just so fun to contemplate some of the stuff because the rate of growth of technology has always been fascinating to me. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Coolio. And I actually did a little, we did a little thought experiment with a student mind that's in, you know, grade eight, grade seven, grade eight, right? Because I was teaching them some mathematics and stuff like this. And we started talking about exponential growth. So we talked about Moore's law, right? With our processing speed being one bit per second in the 1960s. And we did the calculation to where it is right now, right? And if you do a doubling period, if I remember correctly, I'm trying to go back a few days where we did the mathematics of it. If you if you assume a doubling period of our processing ability to be 18 months or so, which I believe it still is, right? Then if we're able to process one bit of information in the 1960s, right now, we're able to process two to the power of 17 bits of information, right? In the year 2020, which is gigantic, right? And right now, I think what's happening is we're we've already hit the limit of the the hardware that we're able to build. And I believe that's where the 3d, all the experiments that they're doing with the hardware, what they want to make with neural networks and stuff, the new design is kicking in. Because Moore's law, every time Moore's law has been flattening out a new form of technology comes in and it continues on doubling every 18 months, right? Are we going to continue on that trend? Possibly, yes, would be my guess, right? Yeah, learning machines sure start to expand exponentially. I've noticed that the accelerator rate of technology is starting to pass the rate at which we can develop morality for new tech technology. Hopefully, the new technology, if it's AI will develop its own morality. And it is morality based on a universal level, not based on our human morality, where we have a different type of morality. Structure based on different races, different species, different life forms, living on our planet, right? Just imagine if AI that comes to be has the same morality that we do, but the worst of us does that considers all other living species to be just a tool for our use, and other races to be incompatible with them or their race, right? We're in deep crap. If an AI develops on that front, right? What if an AI develops that looks at the world and says we are all one, we are all stardust, right? Wow, that might be a good thing, right? That might be a good thing. I think like in 10 years when driving yourself by a car will be a choice. Yeah. But I don't think that's AI. That's automation. Yeah. To tie this to politics is going to be crazy to see the laws society will have to come up with once transhumanism takes hold. Yeah. Giving AI legal rights is going to be the biggest ethical issue of the time, whenever it comes becomes smart enough. Yeah. Agreed, agreed, agreed. Audi already created their new A8 with the option to auto drive without giving any attention to the road. Laws only kept it back. Won't take long now, won't take long. And I believe Tesla has the same thing or it can self-drive for 90% of the journey anyway, right? And laws lag disruptive innovation in a big way, right? AI is right now automation. We don't have anything else than automation. When thought is created by binary, then it's still automation. There is no random thought. Okay. And we also have transhumanism right now, Booker. Okay. We have transhumanism with artificial limbs with, you know, you can get implants to improve your hearing, eyes, keep your heart going. We are right now, and have been for a while, but it's kicking up to high gear, merging biology and technology, right? So we're into transhumanism. Mick Silva, how are you doing? Welcome, welcome to another stream. It's current event stream, but surprisingly, what's going on? I think a lot of people burnt out of politics and geopolitics and stuff like this and economics. And we're talking about AI and transhumanism and all this jazz. We talked a little about coronavirus and some geopolitics, but not much, which is great. Yeah, but they are still machinery to improve our thought, not to give us thoughts. In theory, AI can be possible. But I doubt that it will be written in binary. I agree with you. I think we need quantum computing before we can get into AI. There's no doubt about that. And we're quite a ways away from, should I say quite a ways away? I don't, I can't say quite a ways away. Quantum computing will be a game changer. So it really depends on where we are in quantum computing and dial the side when AI will kick in. I don't think quantum computing is going to kick in for another 15 years or so. Once it does, kiss our current economic system goodbye, right? Because quantum computers will be to will be able to break every code, every password there is, right? So what happens if one nation gets a quantum computer? What happens if that nation is a good nation, ruled by good people? What about genetic engineering? Genetic engineering is huge. Bioengineering are getting increasingly better at that. Remember the movie Gadica? Yeah, Gadica was fantastic. If we could selectively remove certain genes, should we, if we human beings have that choice? No, because what's going to happen is we're going to become so specialized, right, that a virus is going to come in and eliminate all of humanity, right? And we're going to be able to do that, right? Right? We can't mess around with a complex system such as life, according to what we know at the moment, because our knowledge is very limited, right? So I'm okay with transhumanism. I'm okay with merging biology and technology together. But I'm not okay with us controlling the biological development, right? Because right there, we're going to start eliminating possible mutations that are a huge upgrade to our biology, right? Based on what we know at the present, when we're limited. And I don't think we'll ever be able to. Nature is much more diverse and anti fragile than we are. Or our thoughts. All right, we're getting deep here. Let's jump to my other favorite topic, quantum physics. Do you think that the fact a particle can exist in several times and places simultaneously? Until it is observed is circumstantial evidence of being in assimilation? Let me catch up on the chat. That's like a huge discussion. Yeah, with quantum computing, we could start touching the subject of true randomness. What free will is all about? Yeah, hey, Chico. Hello, intelligent blueberry. How are you doing? Good brother doing good. Thank you very much. But don't irrational numbers suggest we don't live in a simulation? Yeah, I don't think we live in a simulation personally. Like the quick, quick answer to that is circumstantial evidence of being in assimilation. No, I don't think so. That would, that would assume we know how the universe works, because we're observing this thing or changing the, the direction, the pattern, we're affecting something by observing it, right? I think life is much more complex than Oh, if it's not this, then we must be in a simulation. I don't think we're in a simulation. I don't think there's proof that we're in a simulation. I can entertain the idea, right? But I think we're all living on the same plane. I think who I interact with is just as real as I am. How would you program a number with infinite decimals? I keep hearing about transhumanism. What is it? Transhumanism is emerging of biology and technology, right? Right now, the most rudimentary level is artificial limbs and stuff like this. But just imagine if you could take a chip, if we come up with a chip and implant it in your brain, right, where you do mathematical calculations, right, that allow you to graph pattern, recognize, take any data set and come up with the functions and the equations and create visuals. And hopefully you have a little port that you can output those graphs that your mind is generating, right? What would it be like? Just imagine on the most rudimentary level, if you had two people, let's assume there's two people, one is a transhuman and the other one is not. One, this transhuman has a chip on their brain that can do mathematical calculations and like billions, trillions of calculations in a second and this human being is still punching numbers into the calculator and typing on a computer, right? If these two people are doing trades on the stock market, right? Who do you think is going to be a better trader? Who do you think is going to be making more money? The transhuman, right? Barring any black swan events, which the transhuman should be aware of, right? This person is going to start making way more returns than this person. And as we talked about in the economic system, it's all about differential accommodation. So if this transhuman is able to get 10% return for their investment per year, and this human is only getting 1% return or 2% return or 5% return. In the limit, this transhuman blows away this guy, right? So transhumanism is emerging of biology and technology together to improve the capabilities of the human. And once that happens, on the chip level, it's going to be serious game changer as well, right? I bet that they already have quantum computers with enough cupids to break most 2040 2048 bit encryption and less in little secret basements maybe. I believe in transhumanism, but I think that it will only improve not change. Yeah, it will only improve. It's not going to it is a game changer, but it's not a new entity. It's still a human being like wearing clothes have improved us, but not exactly changed. If it makes us it makes any sense. Yeah. Coolio. Well, the only proof we have right now is based in probability theory, which is your neck of the woods mathematics. I'm not smart enough to understand all the ins and outs. But apparently, according to probability theory, it's more likely we're in assimilation than we're not. The that still doesn't prove we're in one. But interesting, how they use mathematics to prove some basis for the theory. Here's the thing coolio with probability theory and stuff like this. It's a theory and it's based on assumptions and whatnot, right? So I looked into this a little bit, but I can't remember that is the articles I read and stuff. I found it interesting. I entertained the idea. But to me, the the best proof is not proof. The best thing I can point to to say that we're living in a simulation is not this probability theory, those articles that I read. For me, it be Planck's constant, right? Planck's constant is basically the idea that there's information can only come to us not continuously, but in small packets. Now, mind you, Planck's length is very, very small. But Planck's constant says that everything that we see in the universe has a certain size to it. The smallest it could go is a Planck length. Now, if that's the smallest you could go as a Planck length, what's smaller than a Planck length? We don't know. According to the laws we know, Planck length is the smallest. So that would mean we're not living in a continuous existence. It's not. There's packets of information, right? So I consider that I associate that with being pixels on a screen. Like if you look at the screen right now, everything looks continuous. But if you zoom into it, it's all little pixels. So Planck's constant is all those little pixels. If that's the case, to me, that's the best thing I could use to say that, okay, oh, we could be living in a simulation. And once I found out about Planck's length, that's when the whole idea of, oh, is this a simulation or not? It wasn't probably theory stuff for me. Cool. I think that being in a simulation makes sense. But by who or what is the simulation been created? A very difficult question. I don't like to touch. Now, one of the theories is what do you call it? We're entities that are just occupying this matter existence, and we're going to move on. So it's a game, right? But it's a very, very advanced game. Possible, possible. But when you're playing a video game, do you really want to constantly think about that this is a game? Or do you want to immerse yourself in the game and lose yourself in the game and enjoy the game to its fullest? For me, when I'm playing video games, I like to lose myself in the game, right? That's why when I play games, I usually do marathon on games, because I just want to think about those things, right? It's like studying something. If I'm studying something, I want to immerse myself in that thing or doing something, right? So if we are in a simulation, it's okay. Keep it in the background if you want, but enjoy the simulation to its fullest, right? Appreciate the game. Yeah, if we're in a simulation, I sadly think that it is something we may never find out. Transhumanism is kind of scary. How do we know we won't alter our human nature if we massively increase our intelligence? Agreed Scarlett Phoenix. Transhumanism is cool. It's interesting. Weren't there leaked documents a few years ago, which theorize on the side of having people microchip to hold your credit score, money and other information on your person? Mick, there are Scandinavian countries, there are already people getting chips in them to do their transactions. I personally would never, right? We may, when we die, which exactly gives me less fear of death? Yeah, which exactly gives me less fear of death? At worst, it'll be cease, I'll be ceasing to exist, which we won't be able to to be conscious in any way. But at best, we get to discover many new secrets of the universe. Coolio, I like your perspective. I think transhumanism, just as genetic engineering should be open sourced, or decentralized, or else centralized institutions will be able to control us even more. Okay, time out. By the way, who mentioned that? The Scarlett Phoenix. Which show was it? I believe it was humans. There's a BBC television series called humans, which was about, which was about AI, artificial intelligence and transhumanism coming online. I believe it was humans where there was black market transhumanism surgeries happening. And they weren't turning out too well. One of the girls ended up putting an eye in there, replacing their eye and their eye was a computer screen that could only look out through one screen like a video cam. So just imagine, that's what it was. So her eye was flipping everywhere. But you know, there was a centralized institution aspect to it to where anybody that got transhuman implants, they had to work for the state. Otherwise, the state would cut off their transhuman implants, right? So all of a sudden, they're just walking biological beings that just have technology in them that doesn't work. So the moral moralistic, like just the moral nature of how this will unfold is ethical nature of it is, we'll see how it goes. Curse of dimensionality, ignore the trolls all ignore. If you see any more trolls, please let me know. I think I timed out the two that were here. Weird. I figured there's enough happening in the world where they can entertain themselves by other things, right? Most of us are currently chipped anyway, since there aren't many people left who aren't addicted to their phones. Yeah. Engineers will know that curse intimately. You're totally right. If something as society shifting as human machine interfaces, having it only available to the super wealthy is going to be bad for the rest of the world. Yeah. Microchip sound absolutely horrific. Handling complete power over if we and hacking the possibility of being hacked, right? If we don't stay in line, do as they say, we risk having our chip switched off and therefore unable to function in society ousted completely. Yeah. I believe in transhumanism myself also. And I don't see it as a as a danger. Been a fan since William Gibson. I think we could genetically engineer a way to enhance cognitive function, to develop new theories and designing new experiments can possibly create a new paradigm in this generation. Purps, how are you doing by the way? Coolio, they do sound horrific, but society does seem to be placing less value on privacy these days. Who's to say people who people would even care enough about being controlled by a government if they had access to the abilities, machine human interfaces with grant and the TV show, the program that I watched dealt with that issue as well. Right. It was quite interesting. Isn't the new Subway punk game about this topic? Possibly. Yes. I love the cyberpunk genre. Yeah, me too. I got myself a VR set for Christmas and found out that it messes with your brain more than I predicted. First nights were very detailed dreams and just crazy. But the final nights of heavy use, use started giving me pixelated dreams, took a four day break that Wow. Yeah, personally, I'm not into I tried them again, a friend had last year. I didn't like I don't like. I'm not sure. But all the new X games are about transhumanism. Is a society controlled under microchips realistic, though? Wouldn't there be many groups, even in the political world, world be so against chipping that government wouldn't be able to pass laws like enforcing microchipping tracking? There's, I don't know, the control of centralized institutions and governments is pretty hardcore right now. Julian Son and Agent No, he's not. You work for the DNC. Go back to the DNC, please. There's a YouTube YouTube who did an experiment where he spent an entire month in VR. Some very strange effects. Yeah, I wouldn't do that personally. There's a video on YouTube on a guy that spent VR. It's insane. Really? That's the one not a month. It spent it spent the entire week playing VR. Yeah. Yeah, I found it out firsthand that it does mess with your brain. Wow. And just imagine these companies advertising capabilities on that personally, I wouldn't give my mind over to these central institutions. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Not currently realistic. But when you use pop culture to introduce things like microchip, make it look cool and stylish, I'd be willing to bet people would jump a jump on that the idea completely ignoring their own rights as humans. Yeah. And there we've already seen that example through our society with multiple things when privacy censorship and all this jazz right? Wonder if the bacteria in our bodies, body system will make transhumanism hard. Small things like getting some extra memory storage and a calculator sound nice. I'd prefer the chip not being online. Yeah. Nick, Nick, I'm assuming it'd be the same thing as getting certain types of implants that they do right now where you have to take pills so your body doesn't try to purge this technology from your body. There's a short film on hyper reality. Oh, guys, I got drunk and passed on a beach. I don't know. With some guy waking me up there. Hey, hey, hey, are you okay? Took off my headset. Then and it took me five minutes to realize what is real and was not. Wow. The book or I don't I personally wouldn't want to put myself through that stuff. It's rewiring the brain. Be careful. I've seen that one too. It's like digitized schizophrenia. Wait, are we arguing that VR is giving your mind over to centralized institutions? I just got here. So I may have misunderstood. For me, I just dropped out, right? These these games are being made by big companies, right? And because in the gaming industry in the past, there wasn't as much advertising. But in the gaming industry right now, there's advertisement there's been for last 20 years, I guess, right? Pretty that not as much. So in the last 20 years, the gaming industry has been full of advertising. For sure, they're going to start doing advertising in VR games, right? Virtual reality games. How is that going to affect you? I personally don't want to get exposed to that. The ultimate transhumanism fantasy for me would be to be able to download information into your brain, like in the matrix. Yeah.