 So, since I'm a semi-biologist, I graduated from Biokinistry. Did you have like half your body out of the class the entire time? No, I'm a biokin major. Here's your degree. It's ripped in half. I'm only giving it to decide your body. It looks better on the camera. Okay, so we're recording. That should be flashing. So hi, I'm Ty. Nice to meet you. So I got a hobby where I set up a table and talk to people about whatever they want to talk about. I think it's really cool to show that, you know, any two people can talk about anything, regardless of the color, whatever, big size, how rich they look. It doesn't matter. Normally, the conversations that we have are really cool when they're centered around what someone really strongly believes or a philosophy they have or something they wrap their lives around. If you want to talk about that, we can talk about Marvel movies or your favorite junk food. All right. But is there anything that you really strongly believe is true or something you're confident about? Can I also fit something? Can I ask your name again? Oh yeah, Jacob. Jacob, I'm Ty. Ty. Jacob. That's a big question. Well, I'd say I'm a Christian. Okay. So that's probably my biggest belief. There are a lot of beliefs in this story. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Did you just say like the Christian God exists, maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I believe in one God and that is my son. This is a really heavy topic. Yeah, yeah, it is. They're a middle school class, by the way. Okay, yeah, yeah. If you want to talk about this story, because I believe we can talk about anything. Well, let's just go down the list. We'll make a list of things and maybe we can pick one. No, we can talk about Christianity. That's cool. Okay. So would you say then that is it a specific sect, the Christianity? No, just Christianity. Almost like non-denominational, I guess you would call it. Non-denominational. The best denomination. Yeah, it's kind of distracting. There's like thousands of sects of Christianity, which is a bit concerning like for my standpoint as a Christian, that's not a good thing that we're that divided. Right. What I found is my mom was in Chattanooga, right? And on her corner is the 4th Street Baptist Church. And across the street is the 5th Street Baptist Church. They can see each other. Yeah. When the congregations, the one parking lot, they go to different directions because they don't get along. Yeah. Maybe the messages are different, but... Yeah, and it's sad because a lot of the times, different sects, they just like... I did say 5 minutes and I promise you, you can leave whenever you want. A lot of the sects, they fight over really just secondary, tertiary things. It's really not the main thing, which in my opinion or I guess in Christian theology is that God sent a son in the world to save the world from sin. Okay. Most churches tend to fight over just like little traditional things. And it's really sad that they celebrate. It does. I also feel like whenever a pastor brings in a new car, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like he has a suit that's a little bit too nice. Yeah. Or maybe there's a person who just has too many flowers on the hair. Let's make our own church. Yep. Something like that. Something like that. Or maybe like even just like how you baptize people. Oh. So like that's a big thing because I guess where I'm from, like the majority of them are Baptists. And they're pretty strict on like how you should do baptism. And it's a very special thing. Like how long to keep them under the water. Exactly. How long, what age you can start. As if there was instructions on the Bible. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh-huh. So... And every church does it differently, but to fight over like how you should do it is kind of nonsense to me. Can I throw out something? Yeah. And normally when we have these conversations I would just gently challenge for the sake of conversation. If you told me you like pretzels, I would have you try potato chips. It's like that. Yeah, yeah. Um, you had said that there's a lot of fights over secondary things. Uh-huh. What are the primary things that you think if you don't follow this you're wrong? Uh-huh. Okay. Um... Well this was a big debate kind of in the first century. Okay. I guess it's kind of been... Actually I guess there's still debate among like theologians. The first century from like zero to 100? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Over like who Jesus was. Okay. Like was he 100% God or was he like half human, half God? Like how human was he and how divine was he? Okay. Um... In that... I think now most people are pretty much settled on like he was 100% man and 100% God. What? It's weird. It doesn't make any sense. And 100% a math teacher at the same time too. He's just like he can do it. Uh-huh. He breaks... He can break... Well, it's ethereal. It's just like... Yeah. It's hard to... So where do you fall on that? That's tough. I'd say... I don't know. I'm kind of a skeptic as well and I'd say like you can't really tell. Um, and I don't know if there's... There's not really a way to make a definitive statement on something like that. I love that you said that. There's not a really definitive way to make the statement of who Jesus was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In regards to like how... How much man was he and how... Definitively was. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Man. And I guess you could say that's a primary issue or you could also say that's a secondary issue depending on where you fall. I'm wondering though... Um... And I'm definitely not a theologist as he can probably tell. I'm not a very good theologist either. I'm wondering could we say that the statement is then that for Christianity you got to believe in God and Jesus. Yeah, yeah. That's a primary thing. At least for me as well, like understanding that God came to save the world and not condemn it. In the fall of Jesus? Yeah, in that the two states, the two commandments that he gave... These are more secondary things. I'm about to start my own church right now. Oh, okay. I mean, these are pretty... He's saying all these extra things. That's against our thing. Let's start the west side arboretum. That's a school. All right. I'd say the two things that are pretty apparent throughout his whole ministry and he stated in like two... They have records of at least two gospels of what he said and it's like the great commandant is love God and love people. I'm going to throw out one random question. Yeah, go ahead. You said you were not denominational but you were not necessarily quoting scripture but you're using a lot of the biblical texts to support the beliefs. Yeah. Is there a particular Bible that you think is definitive? Because there's different versions of that too. Yeah, I don't have like a specific translation that I find. Do you look for the common denominator among them all? Or like, do you have any way of parsing actually? Because some books have completely different chapters and completely different verses. Yeah, so those are like the Latin bulgit and some of like, I guess, I think the Catholic Bible. Yeah. Or an extra book in there. You can stay in America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have the Church of Latter-day Saints. They have their own. You have Jehovah's Witnesses. They have their own. And that's just in U.S. You go to South Africa. They have the Bible. It's completely, not completely, but it's distinctly different from ours. And even in the same religion, you've got new international versions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. James' version, NDE. Like... When it comes to the different translations, like it doesn't matter to me. Okay. But I guess I've never like fully looked into the other books of the Bible that aren't like standard at least here in America. In America. Yeah. Okay. How confident are you that Jesus and God exists? Oh. What's up, guys? How are you doing? How are you doing? You guys look super cool. Isn't this like the coolest crowd that just walked by right now? You also do the Gap commercial. This is amazing. Is it a Gap commercial? Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. He's trying to bait us that less fat. Look how cool. Look how cool they look. I'm just saying. If you want a card, here you go. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Alright. I'd say 100%. 100%. I wanted to find 100% and just let me know. Yeah. Because it's a number. Yeah. And you can change the number. I don't care. But 100% to me is like... Like no doubt. No doubt. There's no way I can be wrong. I'm not asking questions anymore. I'm certain close-minded on the position. I'm close on the position. 100%. Let's go 98%. 98%. Yeah. Everybody has those periods of doubt, right? I think so. And I think it's actually healthier to not be absolute. Yeah. About what you believe. What got you to the 98% confidence on this guy? And Jesus. Yeah. I'm just going to mind the move. Yeah. Go ahead. Or like on the existence of the Christian guy. So I'm actually a medical student. And I found a big interest in biology when I was in high school. And that's kind of when I started being really skeptical of things. And eventually you just... And that's a big discussion. You kind of meddle through all the specifics of what I guess they Christian say and what biologists say about... Are they Christian biologists? Oh yeah. Yeah. And so you can... There's like a whole field of Christianity called... What's the name? Glee Club? No. They seem like a really handy... Oh no. It's Apologetics. Oh okay. Have you heard of it? Yeah. I know about it. So it's like trying to use science to like just reason that God exists and that Jesus existed. What do you think about that? There's some validity to it. And then there's also some fields of that that are just total nonsense coming from my science background. Do you feel like you need science to support a belief in God? I don't think you need it. In fact, I think there's... Do you think it enhances the belief? It can. There can be an issue that where I think some people try so hard to prove the existence of God that they forget the point of God. And it's like they're just trying... Oh man, I wish I could write that down. Go ahead. Go ahead. I think people just try and try. And I think it's maybe because they don't believe themselves and they want to. But I don't know that's a... So what's like some of the best evidence that you've heard to support the existence of God? And would you... Yeah, yeah. Is this what's getting you to your 98%? This is more not my field when it comes to like astrophysics. I actually have a really good pal who's... Okay. I would just generally like to know what specifically got you to your 98%. Okay. All right. So since I'm a semi-biologist, I graduated in biochemistry. Did you have like half your body out of the past the entire time? Well, no, I'm a biochemistry. These are the great scripts that happen. We're only giving you to decide your body. I'm just not pursuing biology anymore. I'm pursuing medicine. But it's still biology. Yeah. I get it. I'm biochemistry. Oh, are you? Yeah. Okay. So when you look at the creation of life, let's say you look at the central dogma of biology, which is like DNA goes to RNA, which goes to protein. Yes. But for that cycle to continue... Well, I guess it's a cycle. It's not just a linear progression because you need protein and RNA to make DNA as well. And so you kind of need a cycle and how that cycle starts. I can't... Like I've looked into it. I've tried to read papers and there's nothing that's convinced me that that can just spontaneously happen or it can even happen with... Throughout a progress. Agreed. It can happen throughout a progress. I think... What do you mean by that? Like it can... I'm thinking about the words as you're saying it. Yeah. Sorry. From your faces. Like the progress to get to that cycle, I can't see a way of that happening. There's like big... There's like one big hypothesis out there called the RNA hypothesis. RNA world theory? Yeah. And that because RNA can act as like a catalyst and also as a way to store information, biological information, that might have been what was initially used as protein and DNA. Right. But like when they... Do you know the Stanley Miller experiment? Yes. Yeah, yeah. So they show that if you put like... RNA and 1,2 can make it rapidly produce itself. It can make like a little tiny monsters of itself. Well... Simplified versions of RNA. The one I'm thinking of is that they put a whole bunch of... Nucleotide. Sorry for interrupting. Well, you know you're fine. I'm just... It's been a while since I've read it. So like they try to recreate the oceans of the Earth. In this small environment. And then they would like zap it with electricity. Sure. To kind of simulate the... Simulate the environment and atmosphere of the Earth four million years ago. Right. And they show that they can actually make some molecules that are essential to life. Some amino acids. Right. And like urea, bromide, hide stuff like that. However, the amino acids that they make are only like lysine and very simple non-polar amino acids. So they haven't shown that they can create more of the complex amino acids that are needed to sustain life. And they also never showed that they could create DNA or RNA. Can I ask you how does this get you to the God belief? Like how do these experiments lead to 98% confidence in God? I just... I don't see a way of life spontaneously generating. And I don't see a way if you... Like if you were to talk to my astrophysics pal. Sure. And if you talk to him, I cannot see a way of the world or the universe spontaneously generating. Jacob, can I ask you a question? Yeah. I'm wondering, so you have this... You have this theory that's presented in the scientific model. Uh-huh. And it sounds incredible. And you say, that sounds... I can't see how that's feasible yet. Uh-huh. Therefore, this is my... This is my... The other thing. Uh-huh. How did that... How is that your foundation? How did that become... I wouldn't say that's my foundation. That's just like part of... Or how does this being hard to believe make this 98% confident? Like how... Oh, okay. How did that become the alternative at a 98% confidence level? Like was that the reason why you're 98%? I think that's just part of it. And I think if you look into other parts of my faith... So like it's kind of hard to explain and it's kind of all feeling, right? From a skeptics point of view. There's some things in your life that you just kind of... You have a gut instinct. Gut instinct? That you know it's true. Are gut instincts ever wrong? Oh, all the time. If they can be wrong all the time, does it justify supporting a 98% confidence? From a logical standpoint, no. What is getting you to that 98%? I'd say... So a belief in certain things in the Bible. So one of the big arguments in apologetics is why would 12 people who followed Jesus around heard what he said and then saw him die lie about him coming back to life only to know that they were going to be persecuted and put to death for saying that. Does that get you to the 98%? That's kind of like the main thing. It's like the biology aspect and then that as well. I'm just going to test what that is actually your main thing. I'm going to ask you a question. If it turned out, this is kind of weird. Again, I'm just stimulating conversation. If it turned out that there was substantial evidence to a criteria of your satisfaction, they were in fact lying. Would that reduce your confidence from 98% down to maybe 70% maybe a little lower than that? Probably. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead. Say I had a... I don't know. I have a cat. I do have a cat and he's a really good cat. His name is Vinny. Vinny. And I walk him on a leash and he's a black cat and he's super super cool. You walk your cat on a leash? So listen, I used to look overseas for a while. It's very common over there in Sweden. Everyone's walking their cats around. In America, they keep them locked up in doors and they're like, that cat wants to be outside. That's when he's in the window. And if you leash train them really young, they're super super cool about it. But it's not so much the leash training. It's just, would you believe me if I told you I had a cat and I showed you a picture of the cat and like I'm holding the cat? Yeah, yeah. Okay. If I told you I actually have a tiger and his name is Marshall. And he's a full blown, full blown, Bengal tiger and I have a picture of him and it's me and the tiger. Would you believe I have a tiger then? It'd be tougher and be harder to believe. It would be harder to believe. If I told you I had a purple dragon from Jupiter that came and visits me in a time machine and I had a picture of the purple dragon and there's like a DeLorean in the background and it's a picture. It's the same picture. Would you believe that? I'd say it's Photoshop. It seems like the more incredible the claim, the better the standard of evidence or the standard of evidence improves. Would you say that God is more incredible than a purple dragon from Jupiter? I would, yeah. So the thing isn't so much that I think the apologist's angle is hey, what's the likelihood of these 12 people lying? It's like maybe it's not even that they're lying. It's just that that's a really low bar of evidence. It's basically 12 people saying Tyrone has a cat. You believe that. Tyrone has a tiger. 12 people say that. Maybe you believe it. Maybe not. 12 people told you hey, Tyrone has a purple dragon from Jupiter. I'm not believing that. You need more evidence to support that with. What if it is a case of not so much that they might be lying but that just may not be enough evidence to reach that conclusion as a definitive claim for at least a 98% certainty that a God exists since it's way more incredible than from a dragon? What do you think about that? Can you restate that question? Yeah, it's kind of a long question. Do you have enough evidence to justify 98% confidence in God? And if it's not on that 12-apostle story, what else is getting you to that level? What else? I'd say I can't answer that just right now. I'm totally fine with that. Can I throw one last? Oh yeah, go ahead. If I had a coin, it's a quarter. It's not a trick coin. If I flip it and I catch it, put it on the back of my hand, I don't know if it's heads or tails. Do you know if it's heads or tails? No. That's the best answer. Yeah. Until we have that evidence. Jacob. Alright. Wonderful talking to you. Nice talking to you. That was really cool. So, explain to me what to do exactly again. Sure. Okay, so if you want, here's a card. I got a YouTube channel.