 Years is going to be a lot of changes. We're looking at a lot of different things in that area. So Welcome aboard Welcome to more town Rachel. It's nice this town in the state. Oh, I've already feeling that so everyone's been extremely welcoming And that's very beautiful. I'm thrilled to be here as you can imagine. It's also a much nicer place to be than Queens right now Yeah Well, good. Unless the board has any other questions or Concerns at all. We'll move on. But Jamie, thank you. I did get an email today on the shelf. Requesting payment to go through with the payroll and we'll go ahead and sign off on that. And then that's so the board knows. I don't know if you saw the email, but she'll be Rachel be working at the same rate as our previous assistant librarian. I believe that was 378. I don't have it right in front of me, but 1773 1373. Thank you. We said, yeah, I guess I was real off. Sort of as well. We'll go ahead and I'll sign off on that. So She didn't get paid. Hey, Jamie, before you leave, I just want to mention that I believe the route road crew is going to be digging and putting in that drain by that rear door next week. Okay, fix a library. I'm not sure. But there will be some activity around the back of the side of the library next week. We hope, you know, the weather's right and And at Martin schedules is correct. Okay, that sounds good. I will let Corey know if you have any idea of what the more exact schedule will be for that work. And email the library. That would be great. Well, yeah, I've already spoken with Corey on this. So she's aware that something will be happening in the next couple of weeks. We're just going to need to solidify some Concrete work so we don't end up with an open pit for a week or more. So we're just kind of trying to Hammer that down at this point, but she have spoke with Corey already regarding the digging. Okay. All right. And before I go, I just want to say how thrilled we are that Rachel is working with us. She's extremely well qualified and we feel very lucky to that she moved to more town and was available. No, thank you. I look forward to meeting you all in person someday. Well, I think it's a win-win for us all. So welcome. Rachel, what's your story in case anybody wants to stop in and say hi to you? Oh, I'll be working this Saturday and every Monday. And every, so and then it'll be every other Saturday and every other Thursday. Is that right? Correct. Yep. Yep. All right. Well, thank you. We look forward to getting together with you sometime. Thanks, everyone. Nice to meet you. Thank you. I'm here. All right. I don't see anyone else on anyone else would be public comment. So let's go ahead and move on. Martin, I know you wanted to jump in. I think now would be as good a time as any. Did everyone get an opportunity to read Martin's email sent out today? Yes. Martin, could you recap? Why don't we start with your number one? It was the truck. Yes, the truck. So as everybody knows, originally, Clark's was the only that we had really gotten a solid figure from. So reached out to the other Vermont dealerships that we have dealt with in the work within the past to get quote from. Nobody has anything on the floor ready to go for the fall. So I didn't really feel right, just using Clark's numbers as the go to numbers with nothing else to compare to. So I did a little more digging and found two other trucks, a Western star and a freight liner. They're both, you know, outside the box a little bit, but would definitely meet our needs. So we got some pricing from those to kind of update that email. I was doing a little digging in the paperwork and found that the two quotes that I had gotten from the Western star and the freight liner did not include any of the other trucks. The Western star and the freight liner did not include a plow. It's, it's not unusual for them to do that because every, you know, each town has a different philosophy as far as plows one ways all angle. You know, fleet side. So there's numerous numerous plow packages out there. So, so we need to basically tack on probably between six and $9,000 onto those numbers that I put out earlier today. I wish I had that paperwork in front of me, but unfortunately I left the shop without that paperwork. So it, you know, I'm just going with rough estimates, but I think we need to get a trade number from one of those other dealers and they both do take trades. One has expressed that he will be up to give us a trade number without that trade number. It's kind of new point to go forward. But at this point, I think, you know, apples to apples. I think if I had to choose, I would probably take the Clarks international. We already have one in the shop. It would keep our fleet the same. We've done business with them a lot in the past. So I wouldn't look to jump ship, I guess, to a different make model or manufacturer and then wonder where we're going to get our service from so I'm still saying probably that international. I just, we needed to do our due diligence and make sure that there wasn't something way cheaper out there. I think it's important that we wait for the trade in numbers. With that said, just to make the board aware, we needed to take that 2012 to has an eight in the window, which is very unfortunate, but we, I mean, we cannot just sit on that truck it needs an inspection. We do use it enough to merit the inspection so it's sitting at McLeod's waiting for fairly significant break work. I'm guessing in the tune of $3,000 or so. Hopefully we can turn around and work. Whoever we purchase a truck from, hopefully we can work that into a trade because that'll be real dollars invested in the truck. But we don't really have a choice. It has an eight in the window. You know, we need to have that truck. Best case scenario on any of these trucks we're waiting to November. If things don't go well, the truck needs to be ready to roll for us to use. So, you know, it is an unfortunate situation, but where we can't roll around with an unexpected truck. You get Martin that is that's Rodney's truck you're talking about. Correct. Correct. Yeah, one we're trading. Yeah. So I just wanted to make sure we're clear. Yeah, sounded like that. So that's what's going on right now. I think what's the what are you putting into it? Break work, mostly. A little bit of light work. The plow lights, the technician claimed didn't work because he still has his plow frame on that truck. And they need to work to pass inspection. I think it's as simple as a switch, a toggle switch in the cab, which we run, you know, between plow and drive lights. So hopefully that's it. But it's a good idea. It's mostly breakwork, which has kind of been our Achilles heel seems like on all the vehicles lately breakwork has been, you know, fairly extensive on all three tandems. And Martin on that. Rather stupid, maybe. Question, but anyways, with Clark, I mean, it sounds like we're, we're leaning towards Clark on the new truck. They wouldn't touch this other truck as far as trying to get it inspected for us. I would be leery of taking it to Clark's to get an inspection on it. I think it could cost us way more than taking it to McLeod's. We just recently brought our 2018 to Clark's and ended up costing us just under five grand to get an inspection sticker on it due to mostly breaks, but a few other there was a air valve issue. So McLeod's is quite they're certified to do breakwork and they do it relatively relatively cheap. So I why are we trading with these guys if we feel that we we can't take a truck there to get worked on that we're going to get hosed by it. Why would we trade with them. Because they're trade their trade prices and the prices of their trucks are super cheap. Which I've, you know, learned as I'm trying to shop around here. I don't have an issue with international they like to do things 100% by the book and I don't blame them for that at all, but it gets extremely pricey when you start talking about you know, three, four new break cans, a slack adjusters on a three, four year old truck. So you know, they like to say that it's needed. I don't I don't always agree with them, but I don't have I don't have the certification to disagree with them. You know, I just drive these trucks and we make them go so 95% of the time we take our inspections in routine break maintenance to McLeod's which I feel is a adequate service. They sign off on them. It's kind of like you've got your very low end service and your super high end service where they're going to change everything. And we pick something in the middle with McLeod's and they've treated us quite well over the years. And that's where we would do most of our routine maintenance work with. We have had issues with Clark's in the past in their service department. You know, that's not a news flash. I've had issues with Clark's in the past. I frankly stated I would never own another international as long as I hadn't a say in the process. Unfortunately, their pricing in their trade in values are significant enough that I can't ignore that kind of price difference. You know, I think when we bought Sean's truck, it was in the neighborhood of 25 grand difference to the next closest truck that that's really tough to ignore. I think that's good reason. I appreciate your your answer to that. I think it was a good answer. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you did yourself. Sorry. So Martin, you're going to get the trade values and then bring those back to the board. I am. I have spoken with Clark saying that we hope they would hold that truck for us in the meantime. And I think we definitely need to get a trade in value from one other person at the very least to see what that truck is worth. Clark's giving us $40,000. We'll see. $40,000 before as is or was or whatever. As is I'm hoping that after this breakwork, we'd be able to get the difference out of them. But I didn't really have a choice to sit on a truck that we couldn't drive. It has an eight in a window. So technically it couldn't be driven anywhere. It would have to be tailored. Right now, you. Yeah, so on the right thing there, you need to get it inspected and make sure and if it needs breaks, it needs breaks. I mean, you want to make sure you're safe. Correct. That's the most important thing. So I guess as long as they're holding that truck for you at this point, you don't need anything from us. No, not really. Originally, I thought that I would, you know, maybe ask the board to sign something saying that tend to purpose intent to purchase. But I think we'll wait and see what we get for trades on these other. The only one that really makes sense is the freight liner. It's the only one in the ballpark of the Clarks truck. However, as I learned today, it does not come with a plow, which is anywhere from a six to $9,000 option. So, you know, it's that much it was bright in the ballpark with the international, but now it's going to be $6 to $9,000 more than the international, depending on trade. So once we see the trade in value, we'll have a very clear path, I think of which truck we want to go with. And I've, I've stated in the past, I really don't want to have a fleet of three different trucks that, I mean, that makes no sense really. You know, if we're talking three to $5,000. I would go with keeping the fleet, at least as close to the same. So if I mean, if we purchased a freight liner, we'd have a Mac and international in a freight liner that makes no sense really. I mean, I mean, you could say that eventually you have to make those decisions, but you know, I wish Mac had been able to come down some last time because I do like their trucks. I do like their service, but the price difference was just too much to ignore on a Sean's truck. So that's where we're at right now. But we'll look forward to hearing from you. We have another meeting, I guess on the first or next one. So if there's something before then we need to get done, let us know. Okay. Yeah, in that particular issue. Yeah. We'll do and then the other thing I had was that 01 single axle. I had an offer of 6000 from Shane LL who, you know, I contacted him. Jeff Newton was originally interested in the truck, but I think the window time window just kind of fell away for him. And he hasn't returned my most recent emails. So I contacted Shane, he has, you know, one truck and excavating business, but it was his dad's, his dad's truck. So I just made that offer to him and he was more than agreeable to the $6,000, which I did contact Clark to get an estimate on the worth of that truck and they said if you can get $6,000 you should take it. You know, pretty much running. So he's willing to work that price off and hauling, which is ideal for us. I think, you know, he could cut us a check hits a general fund, and I don't see it in my budget so it's not much good to me. You know, so I just so what is he going to charge you for hauling. He's been very fair we have used him in the past. He has a new truck and I have not gotten a new price from him but I'll make sure that it's in the in the wheelhouse of other trucking companies but we have used him in the past and he's actually between $5 and $10 an hour cheaper with his old truck so I'll find out what that is before we close the deal. But I do have a ton of hauling this fall with the inch and a half plant mix for our mud season. I'm anticipating in 2021. The roads are excellent. We'll have no mud but just in case we'll put up some. All right that sounds good I've been meeting myself all of a sudden the the crows or something are coming in and I can't hear anything and I'm hoping that you guys can hear. So Martin, I think that's that's a good idea. We need to get rid of that truck. I just like to see something in writing as far as how much courtyard or, you know, we're spending on. And what we have been paying, I think it was Newton for the, the sand so like to see it in that neighborhood certainly. What does everyone else feel. I agree. I agree with that. Good way to go. I think, I think, I think it's a lot cleaner of changes gives us the money for the truck up front and where I worried about. I don't know if it was hours but it seems like to me that's way to go but I'm good with whatever way Martin wants to go. Yeah, he and I have talked about this he feels pretty strongly you'd like to get a credit on hauling as long as there's a clear and defined time frame and quote on on the hauling and it's something we're doing because we're needing just an extra so we don't have to do something. I'd be, I'm fine with it. We still there. Yeah, I'm here I'm definitely. I definitely feel strongly that I'd like to have it worked off and hauling does me no good to have $6,000 check cut to the town goes to general fund and then it's just one more thing that hits my budget. You know we've been over this 100 times but the things that hit the general fund, don't get balanced out in my budget it's no good to me on the road department side of things. Well Martin those things no good to you because I mean no one at the end of the year comes down and says Martin, you're over this you're over that and gives you a slap in the head. Some things go to the general fund it's all it all comes out and goes into the same pocket. I think the finding committee is working on a document or something to show receivables so people are seeing it but at the end of the day. It's not what's best for for you quite frankly it's what's best for the town. And if it's quite if it's best for the town for us to get a credit on that. I agree but if it's just because you feel it's going to make your budget look better than no I don't agree it. We should take a check for it. So I want the decisions to be made on what's best for the town, not what's best for at the end of the year to make my budget look better or worse. And Tom I disagree I've been over this a million times with the board and everything seems to hit the road budget in a negative light and then at the end of the year you just say, we'll explain it at the end of the year but unfortunately, most taxpayer explain it at the end of the year what have we ever come down on you and said anything about anything with your budget smart and ever. On the board, no, but in the general consensus of the town. When it hits the road budget. It's in a negative light. Do you agree or disagree. I'm sorry you feel that way but I disagree with you. Okay, disagree away. I am. You shouldn't be so sensitive my friends. Yeah, well unfortunately I am. That's why I do such a good job for you. I agree you do a great job. I do, but when we're making decisions like this has to be on the best. What's for the town not just look at what's best for your budget. And quite frankly, again, it's all going in the same pocket it really does not make that much of a difference. Not to you apparently. No, it doesn't. No, apparently whatever is best at the end for the town. $6,000 and the general funder $6,000 and hauled material makes no difference. I get that makes no difference to you. It makes a difference to me. Okay. But again, I'm trying to make the best decisions for the town. And if the board thinks as am I. Well, you've told me that's not what you said what you said was, it's the best decision for you because it's looks best on your budget. Which is what is best for the town. You consider all the times that I take hits on my budget, and they continue to pile up. And then every year you expect people to vote on things when the road budget. Yes, are you taking on your budget Martin, any trucks, any grant work, any. The escalator. It's a hit on my budget on your budget. It's a hit on my budget because it wasn't it was not put in prior to taking out. So it shows as a deficit. All right, well this is a new point let's move on but again, you try to make decisions. That's what at the end. You brought it up so you can move you brought it up. Yeah, I did. I'm not denying it Martin. I'm just saying I always try to make the best decisions in the day. What's best financially for the town. And if it's getting a credit and hauling. I think that's the way we should go. If it's just to make your budget look better. No, I don't believe that's the way we should go. Okay, it's great to know how the road department stands. Thank you Tom. Tom, don't even don't even start, don't even start Tom. No explain that comment. Huh. If you don't have any discretion towards the road department and how these matters lay out. Then, I guess we know exactly where you stand. That is really a petty comment Martin of all the stuff. Thank you Tom. Yeah, yeah, okay, petty, petty, petty. Yeah, that is such a petty comment. Yeah. Thank you Tom. We know your opinion move on. All right. So what is it with your vacation pay you're looking for. Well, it's unfortunate that COVID hit I was going to have surgery. I put the town first I did not have it in the middle of the summer. I'm hoping to possibly have it done this fall. If I can't get it done this fall. Could I have my time rolled once again. How much time you looking for. I have no idea. Cheryl Lynn tells me it's 28 hours which makes absolutely no sense. We can roll three days which is 24 hours. So why would I ask for special approval to roll two hours makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, I didn't keep track of it myself. So I think we're looking at a week and a half to two week. We'll get that squared away. Well, if it's to get your, your knee or your shoulder. I think it's fine. What is the rest of one thing. I agree with, I have no problem with that at all. Sorry, it's all right with me. Martin, you know, it's. If you can get into get surgery. The sooner the better. Believe me, take it from me. We need so long on my back and it was really bad. So. All right, so the answer. Whatever works out best for you. So I would try to like Mark, if you can possible, although I doubt you'll be able to get in if you're just looking for surgery. At this point would be unlikely you'll get in this fall, I would think I don't know what does your surgeons or doctors say. We're two weeks out, which puts me into a category that I don't even want to go in. But once again, I will probably put what's best for the town ahead of what's best for me. So, again, you should look after your health Martin that is most important is your health. Take care of that. And then the town will come after that and we appreciate you. You putting yourself before the town but again, it's most important that you take care of yourself and your health. So, would you be willing to roll that time in again, would you be willing to roll that time into 2021. That's what we said. That's what we just said. But, you know, I hope that you can get it done earlier. I mean, I think that would be your best bet, but I guess he's gone. All right, so let's go ahead and move on. We have the budget. Pardon me, Cheryl in. Yes, I'm here. Right. You want to discuss the CD. The savings reserve CD. It's due to roll over on September 12. And as a few of you have talked with you about that we have to roll over the money over to pay the bills for 2020, due to the expenses in the sidewalk fund. So there's not that big chunk of money that we've always had sitting in that CD right now. So my recommendation would be to not roll it over right now and wait until the money's paid back from the taxpayers when the taxes start coming back in. Are we frozen or can you hear me. I can hear you. Okay. Yeah, no, I think that's a good idea. I can check back in with you guys when tax dollars start rolling back in because of the sidewalk. We're definitely, you know, this year. So my guess is it'll be sometime after November before I can get back to you. At a, you know, with a better figure of how much we should grow in safely, because we still have to pay the bills for the year. I think if we had it around, it's probably probably the best thing I would say until we start seeing more of the tax funds given. Okay. What is the amount we're talking about. I'm sorry, we had a little over a million dollars in there, but the voters voted to borrow from ourselves and we ended up having to borrow more funds and anticipated because of the sidewalk. So, right now, just in the CD, there's 145,620. And in, I'm sorry, in this in the reserve fund, there's 145,620. And in the Northfield Savings Bank CD that we had to borrow from, there's 48,313. So we should be fine getting through the rest of the year. But as far as taking those funds and rolling them back over and securing them again, it makes me a little nervous, because taxes aren't due until November 1st. Okay. I think that makes sense. And maybe the finance or you on the finance committee you guys can come to us with a recommendation maybe at our November meet far as a CD that you guys would like to go ahead and invest in. Yeah. Okay. So, John, you want to make a motion on that just so we have that. Okay, so I'll make a motion that we don't roll the CD over. So just. Yeah, I'm not sure if we need emotional and all but just to have it so we're all on the same. The second. Second. Thank you, Kelly. And any further discussion. All right, all in favor vote aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Thank you, Cheryl and anything else. No, I think I'm also I'll stick around for the budget in case you have questions. Yeah. So I wanted that on the agenda just so it's something we start looking at and Sasha will have her send out to all department heads. So I'm going to ask for their budget for 2021. And I'm wondering if there's any special instructions anyone wants to add. Or Cheryl in if there's anything that you're thinking or if there's any other thoughts on how we should approach the 2021 budget. I'm sorry, right. I'll speak afterwards. I think overall this year we've done very well with that budget. I think everyone has been cautious of it. I think COVID has taken a few of the budgets, you know, not largely but I've got a few grants to help cover those I'm hoping to find out for they have been approved here shortly so. And if they are approved and it shouldn't hurt our budgets at all so I think everyone's been pretty cautious about it. And as far as changing anything going forward, I don't, I mean, I mean, other than, you know, I don't know where else you could cut anything in the budget. Yeah, no work as far as cutting I don't see much going on there. Certainly look for a flat line budget. I suspect to see increases in wages and probably certain services that include, you know, fuels and things like that. But we'll have to, you know, make sure people are trying their best and most people all their everyone does with their budgets here in town. You have to be fairly tight. So, I guess we'll continue that see what comes back. We'll go from there. Ray, you had some comments. Don, Ray, one of either one of you. Go ahead, Ray. Say that I was following along your thinking Tom that I don't expect any budget cuts but really think we can emphasize that that really level funding this probably as best as we can be able to do with a lot of the department. Other than the wages. You know, and I guess they should be thinking about that when they're putting together their budget that you know that they pretty much deliver what they have for this year, next year. Yeah. Don, you had a comment. A couple of meetings ago, you mentioned that you wanted. People to kind of look through the budget and have some thoughts about where you may be. After money or money or something. So I don't know about that. Are we doing that tonight. Yeah, I don't know if you. We haven't started the budget but if there's a few things that might because you're new you may have some questions on. So I don't want you to be wasting any time but what are you, what have you recognized. I can wait if there's something, you know, something I'm looking at and that's still something that we want to entertain that some people might have my dear going back looking through the budget where in these strange days we might make a few changes or something. Why don't you share some of you have any ideas. I do actually but if you want to do this tonight. I mean, if you have some things you want to share we could take 10 to 15 minutes. But if you'd rather put some stuff together maybe what would be best done is if you put something together and send it out to the board. We'll have the budget going on each agenda going forward here for the next month or so. But if you can put in anyone put their ideas on paper send it to the to chat Sasha and she'll distribute that way we have an idea to take a look at it before the meeting so we're not caught. You know, a deer in the headlights and like I don't know I can't you know, just give us a little time to prep on it. I think that would be fair. Great, that's what I was thinking that we were just perfect. Cool. All right, Callie you have anything you want to discuss on the budget at all. No. No good. John how about you. No, not at this point. All right, so let's go ahead and move on to Linda van time the abatement decision. Did everyone have an opportunity to see the letter that was most recently sent I'm going to say within the last week or two right. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Yes. And last, it was right after the last meeting. And as everyone. Don did you see that. Yes, I did. Yep. Right. Just to recap the letter basically said that. The property is in her hands and she's responsible for the taxes on it. Yeah, I can, let me look for that email. They have that one. It's hard to get your looking stuff, your emails where you're on zoom. Figure out how you can do that and move it over or something I don't know. Let me just say. Yeah, I can share it. Share the screen. All right. Well, I guess I. It says several years ago I consulted with my lawyer about my will. My, I was concerned with probate, etc. The only asset I have is my home, although it was still has mortgage on it. He has set up a life estate meaning I have total control of the property until I die and it does not go through probate. At any given time I can sell or rent or give away my property and the errors have absolutely no say in it until it becomes theirs upon my death. I hope this addresses your question. Thank you for your patience in this matter. Linda. So, um, There you go. Was everyone able to get up. Yeah, I heard it. So what's. Yeah. So based on the information that was provided to us, what she is now. Provided. I'm willing to go ahead and obey her taxes for last year. I know she has sent some in. I think that should be sent back. And she's done her, her job. I think she's, she's living a very, you know, living on a slim dime and as a town, I think it's the least we can do for some of our citizens like this. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Callie, what's your thoughts. I think that's a good idea. Same with me. John, thank you. So I should, or Cheryl, and you had something to say. Yeah, I just wanted to put in there that if you're going to make a motion of some sort, are you talking about the balance that still do, are you talking about what was due less the homestead. Where are you at with that. It was, it was the full tax bill for 29. The last, the year that she was a filing for, I don't have that paper for me was it 2020 or 2019. 2019. So you're saying that any other because she has made payments. So that's why I'm asking. You know, the payments that she says, okay. Well, maybe, maybe if we looked at that, if we did something that we, we see if we should maybe try to just help her and apply it to this year, whatever came to me. Or, or do you think refunding it would be better. I like your idea better gone. No, I think I'd like your idea better than mine. If we could give her a credit on that rather than send it back, I guess, I don't know. That sounds better. I mean, I don't know if we can do that. Cheryl Lynn. Yes, you can because the tax bills have been generated. So once the tax bills are generated, then an abatement request can be granted. And right now, during COVID laws, the select board has that option. What is left and apply a credit to whatever she has paid to the 2020 taxes. That would accomplish what you were saying, Don. I think so, yeah. We're just throwing it out there as an idea that then, you know, maybe that could help her for this year. But I think that's, I think that's fair. John, so is that emotion. And I'll second that. All right. Thanks. Any further discussion on the motion. And motion is we will. Okay. Linda Van times 2019 taxes credit her with the amount that she has paid to her 2020 taxes. And if there's no further discussion, all in favor vote aye. Aye. Aye. Ray. Aye. Aye. And all right. Thank you, everyone. So the board's communications, so I shall start with you. Do you have anything. I do. Craig, I would like to be reappointed to. The DRB as an alternate. His term was up in August. So moved. Second on that. Well, second. Callie, any discussion on reappointing. Mr. Oshkosh to the DRB as an alternate. All in favor. Aye. Thank you. All right. My next thing is now at the sidewalk on the old Haynes property is done. It was in the minutes to stump, and the quote that I got last year still stands. And she reminded me that it was less than 350. And they would leave the mess for the road crew to clean up. To make it cheaper. Yeah. So you want an okay to go ahead with that. Yes. John, I know you were, that was something you were involved in, right? Yeah. So I'll make that motion. That what was the, the company. Oh, I think it was. Fars. I think I'll have to look again. Okay. I guess it don't mean that they, they would be. Hired directly by them, correct? By the years. No, no, the town. Okay. All right. So I'll make the motion then that. That we. Have far as removed the stump and beard front yard. And that the town will clean up the mess. All right. There's a second there. Thank you. Thank you. Ray. Any further discussion on that motion from John to take the stump out. Or something we've talked about for a while. It was all in favor. All right. Any opposed. All right. Thank you, everyone. So I should continue. The next thing is I need a signature on the pay rate for the assistant librarian. If I could have somebody do that, please. John, will you be in town at some point? Yeah, I will be sure. I could be. I think John has to sign. Yeah. I'll sign it. I'll sign it. I'll sign it. I'll sign it. I'm sorry. And then the last thing I have is actually two things. It's the town hall. The rec committee is wondering if they could meet at the town hall coming. Into the colder time. And. They've been doing their meetings outside at the gazebo behind the town office. But with colder weather coming, they're wondering if it would be okay to do it inside at the town hall. And somebody is also asking about renting the town hall twice a week for yoga. We're even opening it up for anything like that yet. I'd say no. Thank you. I'd say, I'd say no to the yoga, but. I mean, the rec committee. Yeah, we're not talking that many people. Yeah, we need to, I mean, the rec committee is a town committee. They need to be able to meet. And it's a, they're, they're working on a lot of good stuff. So it'll have to be the town hall or the town office. I think we need to sit down. And when I say that, I think probably a couple of board members, maybe. I think we need to sit down. With Sasha with Cheryl Lynn. And figure out how we're going to move going forward with the office. We've got. The plexiglass up. Looks good. But we need to figure out how we're going to conduct business going forward. I don't know how much. Longer, you know, we're going to be required to wear masks and the socializing, but. We need to figure out how we're going to conduct business. I don't think we can. Keep an office closed. Indefinitely like this. Okay. And that's all I have. Are you thinking. So Tommy, you're thinking a couple of us get together and. Yeah, I mean, I don't know where else we can meet or what we can do. You know, as a board, I mean, I know. Great. I'd like to. Meet a little bit once in a while in person. And it seems like we need the space. I think it's going to be the town hall. And, you know, let's figure that out. We've got the rec committee that wants to meet there. Certainly with the library conducting their, their business there right now. I think we just need to figure out, make sure it can, I know it can all work, but how it can be done and done safely. Are you suggesting that like a couple of us get together with. I think the people that are most impacted. Yeah, a couple of people on the board. Cheryl Lynn. Sasha. Corey. I think all. Everyone has a little. Skin in the game. Certainly at the end of the day, the board here has the final decision, but I want to make sure everyone is comfortable with what we're doing. And how we do it in that we're, we're, we're moving out of the right pace. And so I do think it needs to. To be done. What, what does everyone else feel. So I have a question. Do you think that. I mean, this is maybe what a little suck. You figure out a couple of board members and the other folks you mentioned. I mean, is the town office out of the question? I mean, it has probably a better air system. As better windows that you could open if you needed to, you could spread out. So you had six feet, I suppose with your mask on. And maybe that's a consideration as well. I don't know. No, I think that's why I mentioned Sasha. And Cheryl Lynn as people that are stockholders in it. It was just over at the library or the town hall and they wouldn't be impacted at all. But I mean, again, that's. I mean, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, including where we meet, but also how we, how they conduct business going forward, you know, when can the public. You know, go in. Is it Monday to two to three or whatever. So who, who on this board would like to. Be involved in that or has the time to. To put forth with that. I'm happy to help. Don. Very good. Thank you. Anyone else. John, you've been doing a ton. Ray. Callie. I know you guys are. Also have. Secondary issues, you know, the. I'll show what you're. I'll be talking about just one meeting to put this together. We meet and with. I think that Sasha and Sheryl in and. And the two psych board members. What are, what are we. With all the committees and what do we. Not all the committees. I think. I would, I would want. Cory there, maybe someone from the town. Library. Because again, that building there using that right now. And then the town office because. You know, that's where we would conduct the business and. Just come back to the board with all right. This is where we feel that we can move forward conducting. Library hours. Meetings, whether it's. In the town hall or not, whether we want to. To go ahead with. Renting for yoga and those type of things. You know, you may. This group may look at us. All right. You know, we're open. We're open. We're open. We're open. We're open. But Saturday mornings, they can come for three hours. They have to hire a cleaner afterwards. You know, I think these buildings and things can be used. It just needs to be. Different procedures, perhaps put in place. For. Cleaning up or such, but I don't think we should. You know, turn off all the lights at this point. We need to start cautiously. Opening up to. To accommodate what's going on in the society. I think that's a good idea. I'm glad to, I'll be glad to. Work with the committee. Work on a. Perfect. So Ray, why don't you. Don. And Cheryl and I'll have Cheryl Lynn coordinated. A coordinated time with you guys. Corey Sasha. So that you can get together. I will try to. I'm not sure what you're looking for. But if you have questions. You know, feel free. You know, open line here. Just what we want to do is a plan to, to move forward. And you guys are good thinking people and sure you can come up with something and. You come back to the board with it next meeting and then we can. You know, tweak it one way or another or come with some options. But look at everything. I mean, I would rather than putting a big no in front of everything, I would say, all right, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's accommodate this. People want to rent this for yoga. Well, when is it? Well, no, it does not work on this day because. That's our busiest day. But if they want to do it on Sunday and. You know, Tuesdays. You know, fine. But this is the, they have to do this. In order for that to happen. You know, those type of things I think would be. Good. And then as a town office. You know, we'd like to be open in these many days, but we'd like to be open. You know, you have to come in with a mask. You spray your hands off. You know, we have cleaner at the door. Just like, I mean, we go. Businesses are starting to open up. We need to be the same. But just we need to make sure all the precautions are there so that our people aren't in the harm's way. That's fair. Fair enough for me. All right, Sasha. So thank you for the communications. Don, what do you got for us tonight? Don with a D. Well, I just want to, I mean, that this will be maybe what it would be nice about we have meetings in person. I'm sorry. You're very well done. I was just, yeah, I mean this. I would like this, you know, just keep on the radar. And we were supposed to. You know, I think I still owe you a bear for the election. You know, we had the election. We didn't have a recount. And at that little informal meeting, we were going to sort of maybe try to figure out how we can maybe move ahead with, and maybe this will come out of this meeting about figuring out meeting space. And then we can move forward with a library. All committee that we're still brewing. So. I think that's, if once we get parameters on how I want to meet. Going forward, and that's what you, I mean, that maybe that's your outline. How do we meet as a committee going forward. And open the town office. We have that. And then, you know, we can start that. That committee up because there's a more formal process. This is how we'll do it. And I'm all for you guys are people getting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in fact, I talked to Cheryl in our Sasha today about. That particular committee or to get something. I'm just, is there any other one other people that want to get involved in this? I know there will be at the end when decisions are being made, but I'd like to get people involved. Early on. So there's no. Yeah. And so it's, it's not. I mean, even have some public forum as we go along. So I think we can get. Up front and a diverse board, the better we're going to be. Oh, absolutely. And I think some of the names that we have that are floating out there. Bring us a diverse group, at least the starting group. Yeah. You don't want it too big. The other thing I want to just update is that the other thing is, you know, pony farm. So I think that the other thing that we're going to be talking about is that the other thing that we're going to be talking about is the road. I did put up some of the, please. Throw down time. And I think they're helping. I've gotten some feedback from some of the folks out that way. And I think the sign that they actually put up coming off the interstate. This. State. I don't know if any of you have all noticed it. But with the big arrow flashing and pointing that away for a long time. I think that was a good move when they changed that. That's excellent. And that was my suggestion for a right. Recall that too. To fill Harrington was. The bottom line is it's really a detour for root 100 South. And so that's what the sign says and wasteful born. It's perfect. Absolutely. I let him know that. You know, and you know, the next thing that though, the state could. It's not necessarily, they'll get it together. For this. Project. But it would be very easy to, for something like for, with Google and their Google apps and math. The day would show that there's a detour, you know, right. Still shows that I was at roots one day and saw that, right. You know, someone, but oh no, we can't go this way. And they turned around. And then. You can see they're looking at their phone. No, oh no, we can go this way. And they turned around again and went down a hundred feet. It was pretty funny. Anyway, but I think it's. I think it has worked. The signage is all I'm. Growing out there. And can you guys. Still hear me, right? Yeah. Hello. Okay. And is there anything that was that state police letter that we got a couple of weeks ago. We spoke to. Is that something we want to respond to at some point? Yeah. We're going to have the lieutenant in. Hopefully he'll come in within a month or so. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now that was a nice. Lieutenant white. And I was hoping he'd be able to come by. Actually during this, when the bridge was out, but so we could talk about those issues, I think it's been that much. So that's fine. But yeah, we'll have him and we can talk about him. He'll be just be more of an open table. What, what are our concerns? What are we thinking? And hopefully we'll. Get something out of it. And this is the last one. The last thing I was going to mention was. You guys, when you were all on the board or when you built the town office is great job because then look at the town got an award for having a really good, you know, energy efficient office. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, the green award that was recently announced. Thank you, Don. That was. Something I guess the architects. Or put up in anyways, this, this building was awarded one of the green awards for its energy efficiency. So yeah, I think we have a good office. I think it's well built and very pleased, but thanks for the compliment. All right, Ray. All right. What do you have for us? I can only update you on the sidewalk project if you, if you want now or if you want that later. No, I think that's good. Let's go ahead. So we finally got the last catch basin in. I believe last Thursday and Friday. So all that work is complete. And the last bit of sidewalks, I believe was for today. And I believe we'll be stripping forms tomorrow and. Finish up greeting and, and, and pulling out of town. After tomorrow. Thanks to it was a long haul, but we got there, I believe. Thank you so much, John. I know you worked very hard. The whole project to keep it going there really. So it was a lot. It was a struggle at times, but you did really well. Thank you. Yeah, John, thank, thanks so much, John. You always do a lot for the town. This is coming out of time. I know there was some. You know, you know, I know that you were doing a lot of your back issues, you went through a back operation, went through other stuff, but I'm pleased you were able to step up and do it. And, and you did it quite well. I think. Informing the town, the communication was key. You know, if it wasn't nightly, it was every few days. Towards the end, it was less is less things were happening. But no, I think everyone appreciated the communications. So again, thanks for all your hard work keeping people together and everyone in line, including me. And Ray, thank you as well. I know you had several hats. In this project. You know, from the town, from Du Bois. And you really were looking out for, for us. And I think, you know, the, the West side. Sidewalk, how that's going to come out. And I think, you know, I think, you know, not being there and be taken out. We can thank Ray. And John, both with meeting with Phil and making that really happen. That. I think looked will look terrific. So everything you guys do, I mean, it's really appreciated and. Keeping your men in line with Du Bois, where as far as not in line, but just. Making sure that they were doing what needed to be done and I'm just going to send Jeff attacks myself. Just thanking him for the job and what it looks like. It's, you know, the whole town just looks nice. You know, it's really. Well done. Well, thank you, Tom. It was a great team effort by a lot of people. That's for sure. Yeah. No, I think everyone in this board. You know, had some stuff to do and then Cheryl Lynn. Yeah. I think it was a great team effort. It's actually done a lot as well. With the. Grant on this and keeping us in line with that. Paying our bills. So it was a huge town effort. And well, well done. And thank you for. For that. And I'm sure everyone out there feels that way. I certainly get. Thanks from people on that. So. Well done. Thank you. Anything else there, right? All right. John. What do you get? Okay. So. Dog issue first. I got a call on Sunday from Maryland. Spalding. And Mike Farnham's dogs. She had Mike Farnham's dogs because they were running loose and pony farm road. She had them on leashes. Shane was. Unavailable until later in the day. He was out of pocket. He was out of pocket. Because he was working and. He has no backup. So. You know, What we need to do on that. And he does have backup in the backups, the first constable. And. So what. I heard of this. I was out of pocket. I'm sorry. I was just out of pocket this weekend. So I couldn't handle it. But what we will, I will talk to Shane. And when he gets these calls, I think he's going to be the first constable. He needs to turn it over to the first constable. And give them a call and say. This is a situation quite frankly, this particular incident. I think their first constable would probably be the best. To respond to. Mike Farnham, to be honest with you. So going forward, I think we need to do that. I've also asked Sasha. To get. The directions from central Vermont and humane society. You know, how we deliver a dog there that needs to be. You know, that's wandering or that we're picking up. What happens is Shane's been bringing them and his Farnham's dogs over to. To hadn't Roy and Roy just let some have him back. With instruction that, you know, we've given Roy instructions. These dogs aren't to go out. He has fines. The video is the town. But there's nothing like that going on. He's just, he goes over and threatening and just gets his dogs and goes, some sort of reminder will be a different story. They won't put up with that BS. So I've asked Sasha. I know we have a contract with such a Vermont humane society. I don't know if there's a key we can get, but today she was working on that information. We'll pass it over to. Shane to make sure he has it. The dogs go there. If not. Call your secondary, which would be the first constable. And let him know what the procedures are. So we'll have Shane. Reach out to the first and second console. Give them a quick training on what. Could happen. What transpires. And that's. I think can help in that situation. So people aren't everyone calling around and, you know, Shane, I think it's Shane's girlfriend, their wife ended up going and picking up these dogs. And we don't want to put, you know, all sorts of people in the palms away here. But something needs to be done. It's a menace. And I think if we can get them over to central Vermont, I don't think they'll let them have the dogs back because I think they're abused. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about it. You know, it's really unfortunate, but the laws are in their hands. So unless we can get them over there. And I think it's, it's really not a lot that we have any. Say about. Although I've had Shane look into. Municipal. Ticketing or such. We've got some more information. He has a paper he's sending over to me from the secretary of state's office. We've already received some ticket booklets from the state. I don't know if the correct ones, but. They will enable Shane or our constable or our constables to hand out fines that will be. The court will recognize. So if they don't pay them, the next time they go to get their license, the driver's license, such like that, they won't be able to. So we're going to actually have. Something with a little teeth in it. Okay. What I did from central Vermont, humane society today was it's pretty much going to be the same scenario as when they're taken to Roy hadn't. An investigation needs to be started as far as any abuse. And that's going to take some time, I think. Right. But I think that those people are more apt to do it than. Roy is in those people. I mean, Roy's a good guy, but I think that's the way that we're taking. Way a long time ago. But I thought that was the whole idea of this. Ticket book and so on. Is that. You would have to have a court, either court order or some kind of a decision. That would be brought to. The main society. At least that's what Shane was saying. And that's why he got that form over. And he got that form over to me too. And I just forwarded to Sasha. So I'm, I'm not sure, you know, it's, it's, it's so hard to tell with Shane. You know, yeah. Well, I know. You know, well, well, maybe I'll reach out to Maxine because I've had. Shane reach out to her. In fact, she, they were involved with, with at one point and as we'll ask her, you know, she's on the judicial committee, you know, and she runs that in the legislature. She should know, or she should help us out with this. Yeah. She's the one who actually got that form over to Shane. All right. So the machine needs the Irish. She should go. Maybe explain it to me or us a little better so that we can enforce it or have something enforceable. And, you know, and Shane, Shane does a good job when he can. He's busy guy. He's doing a lot of things. He's, you know, does a great job when he's, you know, I get so many compliments from people when he's dealing with their animals or lost pets and such. He's also very frustrating that he's terrible with doing any kind of bookkeeping or keeping track of what he's doing. But there is no one else to take that job. Right. You know, just no one and he really does do a good job with it. And he actually had a good hard for it. But he's a, you know, he mows lawns and he works 50 hours a week. Trying to make a go out of. So he's doing what he can do. But I think if we give him better procedures, all right. We'll call this guy. And if this guy is not available, call Clarence or Clarence and then. I can't remember the constable, but. Yeah. So at least there's a few backup. And I don't see that it doesn't happen that often, but this weekend it happened to end with these particular animals. It's been a nuisance. The other ones in town. I actually went and spoke with the people. And so far there's only been one complaint. The summer sense. So. And I tried that same thing with Mike Farnham. Next day I'm going down the road, he's throwing rocks the size of baseballs at my car. So, you know, he's a, you know, a guy you cannot reason with or talk with. So. Everyone should stay away from the guy to be honest with me. Yeah. So speaking of Tom, I looked, I mean, I have his phone number, but I mean, I looked on our website. I don't see anywhere where the first or second console was listed. Yeah. You know, John, that was one of the. Comments I was going to have or communications or old business. I was a new business. I think I was going to talk with new business about the website. We need to do something about our website. I'm bringing up the incorrect one, which I just Google more town, more town. The first one that comes up. And it's our website and it's so out of date and I can't find. Anything on it. I can find agenda from June. You know, in the first announcements. Stuff from 2019. I mean, it's just a mess. We need to, when we're budgeting, we'll need to put money in it, but we really need a plan to figure out someone to maintain this website on a regular basis. I mean, it's, I mean, that's most people to get their information nowadays. And I don't think they're getting any information from our website. Right. I mean, even. You know, we don't have anyone come into our virtual meetings here and I don't think that people are getting the information that we're having virtual meetings. Going forward, I want to make sure I'm the agendas that it states that we're having virtual meetings and to, and maybe the agenda I have doesn't have it. I know it doesn't, but maybe the other ones do, but we need to make sure that we have that. And so that's something Sasha's on. She certainly hearing this, but I'll work with her and I, and I approve the agenda. So I need to make sure I'm looking for that going forward. But yeah, the website is in dire need of. Some kind of work over and just the upkeep. I mean, again, I can't. If any, I would, as we're sitting here, someone go on Don, you're sitting there on the website. See if you can find tonight's agenda. And I would be, maybe you can, I couldn't. Anything else, John. No, that's it. Okay. Kelly, how about you? What do you get for us? I've been on pony farm a few times over the last couple of weeks. I had to take my dog to the vet and it was great. I went at different times. There was barely any traffic. The road was nice. I saw one bicyclist and gave him plenty of space and he waved and I waved and off we went. So the times that I've been on the road, that's. Yeah. It was great. So I've done that. Nothing else. All right. Well, I think. It's not much the website I was going to bring up. We have. We'll approve the minutes in a minute, but. I want to bring up myself for communications. It's old business. But we also had the mad river riders. So I'm going to go ahead and bring it up. Can you talk about that a little bit? Or the rec committee, what we need to approve. Right. The. The subcontract. Right. And yeah, we just need to formally approve it. So I'll make that motion that we approve that subcontract. For the. For the trail. And the. Yeah. Park. Yeah, that's it. Sorry. That's all right. Is there a second on that? Skills part. That's it. Skills part. There you go, Johnny. Raise that you tell me any further discussion on it. All right. All in favor of voting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For the skills and wreck trail. Contract. Nature trail. Nature trail. Thank you, John. All in favor of both I. Hi. Hi. All right. Thank you. I have one last communication. All right, John. I'm a grandfather now. Really. Congratulations to share. My daughter had a boy who was three and a half weeks premature. But he was born. A week ago, Thursday. You know how much he weighed. At birth, he actually weighed five. Pounds 13 and a half ounces. Did he lose some after that? He went down to five pounds, I think two or three ounces. Wow. He's, he's gaining now. So we'll put. So we'll, we'll, yeah. What's the name? His name. I only have a first name at this point is, his name is Anders. Oh, great. Congratulations, John and Ruth as well. That's awesome. All right. Any other announcements like that? Anyone having children, grandchildren? Callie, what's up with you? I have a dog. Okay. Seven. My child's going to be seven. All right. That sounds good. All right. Is there any other old business? I did. Website. Yes. And the agendas and the minutes are there. But with like the zoom ID. But on the top where it says home about calendar. Agendas, you have to click on that. It's not on. It's not on in the announcement sidebar. So where do you put, where do you click again? On the top. Yep. At the top, it'll say like home. About calendar. Documents and forms and then minutes and agendas. And then the next one is contact us. And if you hit minutes and agendas, they're there. But they're not in that like announcements. Sidebar. Right. We're, we're, I don't know the ones from. Yeah, what we need to do is it needs to be. I mean, we can all talk about this, but something when you open the website, I mean, this is something that people look for agendas. You know, you shouldn't have to hide or hunt for the stuff. And then the stuff on the sidebar there, but it should be most recent. And then that moves to an archive position. But let's. Think about how we could go forward or if anyone knows anyone, but I think it's something we're going to have to spend a little bit of money on and something that needs to be maintained on a regular basis. We're not. We're not going to have to spend a little bit of money on a regular basis. We're not going to have to spend a little bit of money on a regular basis. And then he's basically whatever Sasha adds, you know, sends him to whether it's minutes or an agenda gets obviously added there. But that's it. There's no other maintenance going on. And it's. It's just not. What we should be doing. I don't think. You know, we need to get better information out there. So. Also like to. I don't know. I don't know. Any further discussion on that. All in favor vote aye. Aye. Thank you. And what about new business? Nothing, you know, something in old business I have been thinking about. Remember. Step on had come to us in the spring looking for. Tanks. You know, oxygen tanks, I believe is what he was needing. We thought we'd be if he didn't get any kind of funding through grants, we'd be able to do something. In November election, obviously we're not doing that. Shirley, if you're still on the line, have you seen anything on those types of grants for. For tanks or stuff for the fire department? I've seen nothing. I know that Stefan had applied for the firefighter grant for that, but I have not heard anything from him. In regards to whether or not it was approved or not. Okay. So that's something as we're budgeting. We need to. Keep in the back of our mind as well. That we may be looking at a fire department. Request. As well. So. I can check in with him on that and see if he's heard any. Yeah, that would be good. If you could, Kelly. All right. I guess that's it then. Unless anyone has any other. Questions, comments. Things they want to discuss. In terms of. Old or new business. Old or new business, John. I just wanted to. Mentioned how difficult it was dealing with. Paul Gillies. This whole thing with the easements. I, you wouldn't believe hours. I spent. Trying to get those easements taken care of. For the. Catch base next to take St. Patrick's church. And I mean, Paul Gillis was sending off. He was back and forth. The lawyer. He sent the wrong thing. The wrong document, the wrong easement over to the lawyer. And the lawyer got upset because. Paul didn't make any of the changes. Well, he's, he sent over like the original easement. That he had first made up. So I had to remind him, I had to actually. Send him the easement. That was that. That he had sent over to me. From their lawyer. And. Forward that to him. And. And then it was finally finalized. And then I said, I don't know. He had all the cross outs and the additions and everything. And I said to get that over to. Right away division at AOT. And. He sent over the, the scribbled up copy. He didn't, he didn't even get a clean copy over. And. You know, it was just very, very frustrating dealing with. With that, that firm and, you know, we had basically reached out to Ron and he gave it to Paul because Paul's has more experience. You know, in, in that area. So, but I just wanted to bring that up. That's something I think we should be talking about going forward. I agree, John. I think we should. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree, John. I think we need to really look at where, how we're spending our leading dollars and where we're, what firms are using. I've been frustrated with a couple of things with those guys in that email to you. I stated that I think you saw that. So I think. Yeah, maybe that's something we can put on a future agenda to. To discuss. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. And maybe those guys want to be involved with it because. Yeah. All right. Any other. New business, old business or anything? There was a message from, from Cali that came up. I don't know if everyone saw that. Yep. Stefan has not. Heard anything back, I guess. So. Just a heads up. I want to make sure we're not ignoring that. I don't want to ignore that either. So we don't want to. Get other people mad at us or none of me. But anyways, if there's no other. Anything, I guess I'd move to adjourn. Second. That was easy enough. Thank you all. Hi. All right, everyone. Have a nice night. Okay. Thank you.