 Hello, how's it going? Hello! How's it going? Well, I'm really chill. This is a good angle for my double chin. Yeah, it makes me feel a lot better. And the other bit. Hello! What do you think of him? I have no idea. Welcome back. Where were we? What were we talking about? Well, we were rudely interrupted by technology. It was, you know, a hotel? We were just talking about hotels. And it's nice to talk about people-pleasing. Yeah, do I mention people-pleasing ages ago about how that's a weakness of mine? And we then went to a variety of discussions on that type of aspect of life. And you said about people-pleasing not being the worst thing in the world. Better being people-hater. Yeah. Being a kind of class or a troublemaker. People-pleasing like that. You've got to have a balance. Yeah. If you have no intention to please other people, you're not going to be very well-liked. You're not going to be very well accepted. You're not going to be able to report. Yeah. But if everybody up there is bent to you, you're going to screw it. You're going to burn out. You're going to be taken to the hospital. Yeah. So how do you make yourself a part of a people-pleasing school? I'm quite good. That's what I'm worried about. Making sure everyone's happy. Quite a lot. Quite a lot. I'm also quite high in the impostor syndrome. How do you find your training? Well, I think actually, in fact, training helps. So I've had a couple of months where I haven't been involved in training. Yeah. And if anything, my impostor syndrome has grown. Yeah. Because you're more separated from people who are doing the work. Yeah. So I don't want to go back to it. Certainly the first course back after a while, it's been a time-on. It's quite... Ooh. It's a pretty bit... Oh, yeah. It's a bit... Just forget the agile one. No, I've never done that. Who would do that? It's not the agile thing. What I find interesting is when you forget your pattern, you're a stage part. So if you do a course too much, it's very easy to get... Yeah, not in a rough, but you've got a certain way of doing something and a certain way of articulating it. And if you have a big break then you forget that it's not the pattern you built up and it makes it seem slightly fresher as well. So I thought it was harder on us because, obviously, the pattern just makes it easier to move from the board. Yeah. Easier, good or a little bit, but not too much. Yeah. Yeah. Well, beautiful, but I don't think it's what you don't want. But you know, I've got a guy today who I trained eight years ago, of course. So it's interesting for me just to own my own head thinking back about how the course is different and how it's the same thing that it is and what other things have been added and crafted. What conversations have you done which are, you know, still very similar? I thought that was quite interesting to my head. I want to sort of tell the attendees not to be too used to this, you know, but I'm just saying for them, for me it was quite interesting to have changed over time. Yeah. So when we said what we are... I've introduced you to... It's had a nice... It's the lemon tree? Isn't it? Isn't it? Is that about a lemon tree? Well, it's called the lemon tree. We're on Cobham Gardens still, I think. We're very close to the Charing Cross Green Station. Yeah, so we're near Charing Cross. Yeah, we built four and a half an hour ago. We don't want to talk about that. It's very trouble. You don't want to talk about that at all, really. But I'm pre-rendering. Very bossy. Very bossy. Didn't see it, can't see it. We're now on the shores. Yeah, I think this is our last drink of the night, isn't it? Grab this lemon tree. The podcast is late. It's quite huge. We should be in bed, mate. We've had our first show. It's our last day just because we couldn't get the technology where we are. So... But... What interests me to finish off with you? You weren't saying... You were surprising us with something. You'll give us some new material. You always know more about what's going on. No, there's some things we talk about offline at a stay-off night. You remember what they were. And nothing to do with me, by the way. But there's some things you have to do on the fly. But... No, not on that one. But I think... Well, we're talking about New York. The opening for New York. I'm gathering the solids. Yeah, the four-week window. Four-week window to submit now for next April, isn't it? Yeah. That's a long time in the past. It's about being relevant, isn't it? Things that you want to talk about now that's not being relevant. Yeah. 12 months is a long time in the agile space. And there's going to be a foe's level. I'm not impressed with that. I'm sorry it's got my lines. When you did that reflection... Yeah. Yeah. It's still relevant eight years on. Well, that's true. But would that be a good setting to the conference? Surely a conference was supposed to be new, different, and unusual, and not stand in the past. So... I would suggest... Could you go around and have a look? Let's say, theoretically, hypothetically, we started writing a book here. Hypothetically? Hypothetically. Yeah. That would still be relevant. But then books are very different. It's a contest session. For the contest? Yeah. Yeah. It's actually a thing. A box office. It gives you a feel. I could submit a session in next April. But there wouldn't be all the session by then. We've got something new. We can't have all that. You've also got to bear in mind to see these conferences through our own lives. You've got people there who are going to be turning up. They're never going to gather. They're going to enjoy the basics. What I told you about... I'm not going to mention it on this, because it's my little secret. My idea for my New York submission. Which I don't think they do that. But I think that is very much back to basics. Well, I think it will be useful for a lot of you to attend these. There's people that are sort of all our eyes in it. Much as you did when you heard the idea. But I think it's kind of cool. So yeah, there is a place for that. I provided you with the Yes App. You did. You really helped me out with it as well. Again, we're doing two. It's the basic use of improv. It's based around the offer from improv comedy. It's a teach-about-his-book. It's very good. Every day is a school day. Every day is a school day. Yes App. I love Yes App. I watch NPS on social media. So for me, it wasn't the place for that. But it does need to be a later window. It was a thing. It came up with ideas. I wonder. I know nothing about it. I haven't even seen the call for papers, are you? I wonder whether they are opening themselves up for curating a view. Whether the call for papers is for, say, 80%. They save themselves. I think there's been a lot more curation in these gatherings. I think it's a good thing actually. At Microsoft, they're doing it very early. People who get here can organise their work life around it. It's just nice. I just think it could be sub-optimisation. Is it earlier than the usual? It's so much earlier. It feels that much earlier. But it feels like the window is just not short. Oh yeah. It's around the Christmas journey. The window needs to be a lot longer. It needs to be a lot longer than the window. It needs to be very long. It's all right. I'm going to have to do mine before I go anywhere. Oh. We should definitely resubmit the one we submitted for Venice. I thought it was brilliant. Paul and I did one genuinely for Venice. I think it's genuinely amazing. I was very disappointed. We still haven't yet played that one. I think America would be better fit for it. What was it? Can we say on this? Paul and I won on pairing. We're using pairing in a variety of different settings. Mainly involved in professional wrestling levels. But the idea is not just pairing in terms of hair programming, but hair coaching, hair training. Different styles of pairing. Obviously pairing in different industries. So bringing those all into our industry how we can use them and how people can use them as well. All through the medium of pairing. That's the idea. Don't steal it. It's ours. Not yours. Ours. What's the message? It's good. So you'd have to come to it now. Thanks, sir. So have you had to submit yet? What would you submit? Not really well. I need to think. I'd probably get into the mindset if I were if I were writing a book. If you were writing a book? If you were writing a book. What would I write a book on? Praying my subjects away now. It's a pity you're not writing a book really. I'll put some points. I haven't got a lot of time for the big one. No, you've got a lot of time. Four weeks. Four weeks. Four weeks. Yeah. It's my birthday this week. Oh, wow. Thirty. God. You think I'm great? Thirty years old. How old actually are you? It's a big one. I don't need that. Is it a big one? Is it a big one? It's a big one. There are plenty of big ones. Every year's a big one. Gosh. Where are you going? He's got so old. He's got so old. I remember the big one. The big one. The grey hairs. Yeah. I look to the mirror and I go, probably, I'm going to the front. My beard's getting grey. I thought it would be nice. I was trying to make an animated character of you today. I had to make a decision on what colour hairs. Just get the badger from the badger. Remember those badger videos? Badger, badger, badger, badger. No, there is no mine. There's memes, you know. Foot, ball, foot, ball, foot. Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger. It's a snake. It's a snake. It's a snake. God, the snake. I don't want to be showing it to the page. It's a snake. I thought going ball, I'd be free until I'm grey. It's a grey. It's a very good shave. Yeah. Shave it on. I feel a slice that way. No, you shave the whole thing. No, it's not like a beach ball. It doesn't have some taste on it. So. Eyebrows. Thank you. Lex Luthor style. Or the hood, someone said from Thunderbirds. Cumanor. Cumanor. Jeff doesn't know Thunderbirds. No. Lady Panera. That's the one parker. Yes. So, that's what I think. I think there's a little bit of joy to be in this evening. A complex presentation for these days. I can't. I can't. I didn't do any French and Scottish, but I did English. Joy to be. I'm not a fan of Joy to be. It's bad. How would you say against a fan? Schwa. Schwa. Schwa. Well, it's a place to watch. Joy, I was hoping. I should do it a bit better. What is that in Teatr? So, you've told me that. Anyway, back to Arthur, I'm coming for you. I think there's a lot of places that have a bit of humour and a bit of fun with it. And these days, they're quite interesting. That seems a bit run out of the boat. They can't get even dry sometimes because there's a lot of conf clinters. They're all right. I saw you asked the twizzers here what they would like. Yes, yes, but one or two people. So, um, not a good sample size. Not a good sample size, but they were good. Dave Grant and people like that came in with their help and she could build stuff on like bottom up and change. But I think it's actually just a conversation to have. Like back to volume basically. If you remember when we started, there was no top down permission. Top down AD stuff. So you had to do all that 8-1, almost like Revolutionary Guerrilla style. And that's completely part of the way Greenboss is preparing the devotion to the land genre. But I think there's a place for that Revolutionary Viable style still. And I'm going to just talk about it again. Because I haven't done anything like that in a long time. So maybe something like that. Again though, I like having a bit of controversy about it. Could you bring a slight Revolutionary edge to it? Like cells and stuff. How you work together. How you don't get to take it down. So I've got some interesting ideas with that. You know, I would be nervous if someone could come and climb into a house fully and express my feelings. I don't feel I understand that. No, it's fine. I just feel sometimes. I've just done a couple of times over the last couple of years on Huma where people have got offended. I haven't been offensive. But it's a very sensitive offense. And so I am more cautious on that. In terms of presentations and conferences, et cetera. Taking offense is always... Yeah, this, yeah. But it's still... I have people please as well. And so and also, but people have been very misuseful. So I don't like that. So sometimes you have to really be careful. But I think sad. Because how can you challenge current status quo thinking without challenging some of the most important people? So is your voice being damp? Yes. I'm a controlling cow like I am. Well, I feel sad for that. But it's the only attempt that people can make. Well... I haven't said that as you said before. The world is a new world, obviously. So, so, so... Well, we didn't say that. So I felt that. So I felt being constructive was also a... approach to... Yeah, we're similar. Would that be a bar cast, though? Yeah, there's a here couple of times. Piano bar cast is actually... But the hope is that we do some kind of live streamed and recorded and... conference style session. That'd be good. I know a few bar cast do that. They go do all these... conference all that type of thing. Gatherings. And they'll have a live one for the audience. And then have that as material afterwards. That's a few in there. Yeah, that's a few in there. So that'll be... So, everybody, you should email and contact the Scrum Alliance petition for the agile podcast live from Scrum Gathering New York. Yeah. Email. Email on that. All you hundreds of watchers at this moment if you're going to email the Scrum Alliance and then tell them that that'd be great. It means Jeff will get three conference entries. That'd be good. Oh, well, that'd be good. You can pay him, please. Here we are. Okay, I'll just write it off. Okay, so... We done? We done. That's very done. My apologies. I'm totally enjoying this diet coke. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. My apple juice was good. You're welcome. Cheers. Cheers.