 Well, I think we're ready to start. Jules, you stop me if I got that wrong. You're not stopping me, so I'll just go ahead. Welcome to the final... One minute, one minute. Sorry, I was muted. I'm still waiting for the pitchers to join us. Okay, they're quite important for this. They are, so I thought they would leave the breakout room themselves, but they did not. I guess 10 more seconds and they are being kicked out. They look in the room as if they're in the room for me. Yeah, they are here. Perfect, then you can start the presentation. Great. Well, welcome. This is the final session of the Dragon's Den series, this CBA 15. And we know that a lot of people have done a lot of hard work to get ready for this. We're very privileged to have a very distinguished and very nice, I need to add a bunch of dragons. That will ask some pointed questions and provide maybe some guidance. But before that, maybe next slide, Jules. The structure, very straightforward, will introduce the dragons and the pitchers. And then we will invite the pitchers to hold their presentations. We will allow some questions from the audience and the dragons, I know, have prepped a couple of questions based on their impressions, their backgrounds and also the criteria that we've talked about these few days. We'll then take the dragons out of the main room and put them in a breakout room where they will discuss the presentations and pick their winner. At the same time, the audience will vote with the Mentimeter on their winner. And then we won't announce who the winner is because we'll do that tomorrow at the large plenary. But we will give a little bit of feedback. It's possible that the dragons will give a bit of feedback at that point, as well as the audience. So that's where we are. If I could have the next slide, please. So this is a slide that we've shown a couple of times to the ones that we'll present this year. And I see four really good-looking people looking back at me there. We're privileged to have Koja Annan with us, managing director of Vector Global and executive vice chairman of Made in Africa. He has many more hats and is quite active with what he does. We also have Doris, who is, I'm so proud of this, a winner from two years ago when we had this conference live in Addis Ababa. And she gave this really passionate, strong presentation. So thank you Doris for joining us. She's running a, if I can summarize it, as a waste management company in Nairobi with big tentacles into the community, very strong. We also have Edith Kis, who is an investment and development director at Mirova Natural Capital. She's been with us before, so she's the, I guess, veteran in this together with Doris. And finally we have Adam Bornstein, who is lead of the innovative finance and systems change bit at the Danish Red Cross. I've had the pleasure of working with Adam in the past and I've seen him come up with stuff that I was like, you can really do that and then he goes and does it, which is pretty cool. So that's the distinguished dragons. I think before we start the pitching sessions, because some of you guys that have joined the call now, indicated that you might want to present and we just want to make sure we're not losing any of you guys. We already have three confirmed, but I'll take this opportunity to ask you, raise your intention to present now or hold your piece. So we have, Dina wants to pitch. That's great to hear. Dina, thank you. I also want to pitch. Great. So we have two. Anyone else? I think I might try to. Okay, great Josephine. Well, you said you said it. So now you're in. So if I can ask you to maybe share your presentations with Jules and he will add them to the to our tech. Coming after the three ones we have already. Is that okay? I have a email address in the chat. Let me see if I can edit the PowerPoint while I am presenting it, although I don't think I can, but we will have to figure something out. Jules is a tech with that has saved us a couple of times this week already. So I bring him wants to present to I see. Great. Well, with that, I think we just move straight on to the, to the first picture. Stanley O'Chango, are you ready to go? Yes, very much ready. Yeah, we can go to the first slide. Yeah, so like I said, my name is Stanley O'Chango, Associate Economist at the Center for Integrated Water Resource Management. This is a technical University of Kenya. My project just is on the development of a drought monitoring forecasting and early warning system. There is a data say earning water and food security in Kenya. Next slide. Next slide please. Now, what problem is, is this that we are solving? We know that Kenya's agriculture, and this is so for the whole of the sub Saharan Africa is still solely rainfall based. And therefore drought continues to cause devastation for with the adverse effects like low harvest across the whole country. And therefore this phenomenon leads to scarce water for mine, which is now a national disaster in the country. And even economic losses to small scale farmers who participate in planting cash crops. And therefore there is need for the solution that I'm preparing to present and you can see there. I have some special maps showing, especially for the case of Kenya, when it had the very worst drought occurrence in 2016. And just another pictorial, I think showing what drought can cause in a farmer's farm. Next slide please. So what is the solution? Like I say, it's a D E W S that is a drought early warning system. This system, as from the chart that I'm showing is cut out in three main parts. And it's main work that it will deliver drought monitoring seasonal forecasting that is best, that is six months period best, and then early warning to the farmers. And then we'll enable small scale farmers to anticipate drought quite in advance and then be able to plan their planting so that it is able to occur at a time when there is a rainfall that is able to sustain healthy agriculture. And the three parts include a hydrological model and we are suggesting the variable infiltration capacity model. The real time remote sensing satellite remote sensing part, and then the web based application interface, and also now the seasonal hydrological forecasting, and all this is captured in the chart for purpose of time. Next slide. So business plan. Having been informed by various research that are wild, wild based, and with key information from the other weather project in Vietnam. The key lessons that we in the team we could pick from that project specific project, the other weather project in Vietnam, we decided to package this project as a public good with our main player until being national and county government of Kenya. And when we talk about the revenue streams, we will have annual subscription fees paid by the national and county governments, who will be actually interested in offering this service as a public good. And also we will want to bundle the whole service with some advertisement fees in our web based application interface, where we can have some advertising just for the purpose of maximizing revenue and also giving value for the share that potential investors. And this project will also generate some income from what we have planned as stakeholder training fees and capacity building activities to NGOs, government agencies, decision makers, community representatives. Next, next slide please. One more minute. Next slide. Then we can have I decided to do a business model canvas that's key partners, potential private investors, key activities, key resources, and revenue streams and all that next slide please. This chart shows just our approach to stakeholder engagement. It is all, you know, presented and done in a brief that chart next slide please. Then we have a team of L is the environment environmentalist, starting with Professor Justin Sheffield, who is an expert in large scale hydroclimatology, look or learn. So speed away case a robot why you buy Janet and do a lot of my life and myself. Next slide please. The need from investor is simply upscaling support in terms of scaling the whole project to sub Saharan Africa, which also fills the same in her time is over Stanley. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. I'll take over from now. Stanley, thank you so much. Yeah, we need to be a bit strict because we want to give everybody the same amount of time, give their pitch and the session times also limited. So thank you very much, Stanley. Do you want to say your only your your main message. My main message is really adapted from the Bible verses that were said by just that happy nations that embrace the drought early warning system for their citizens will realize a standard water and food security that's the message to the world. Thank you. Wonderful. Wonderful. Stanley. So, yeah, as you've heard, there is a sound playing if there's only one minute left and if they're the five minutes are over then there's also a final ring. So now we have some time for questions five minutes, a question from the audience, and also one or two questions from the dragons. So if somebody from the audience has a question, please raise your hand or say something in the chat. And in the meanwhile, I would like to give the floor to the dragons to pose a question to Stanley. You're moderating the questions Maxine. Yes, sure. Please go ahead. Adam is also has raised a hand on my side. Thanks a lot for the presentation. Very interesting and important topic. I know it's impossible in five minutes to, to give justice to project but I'm just wondering if you could maybe elaborate on the business plan and how much the investment you're looking for assuming it's seed funding. And here, a break even after one year sounds to me quite challenging, but I haven't seen a project that I'm, yeah, raised even after one year. So that's if you can elaborate on that and, and I didn't understand the public good for a point. So you're revenue's come from the government or, yeah, maybe so it's linked to the business plan, my question. Yeah, the business plan slide now specifically on the question of how much seed funding we project that with a seed funding of 200,000 usd 200,000 usd we can be able to have an experimental system up operational and now just look to upscaling Then on public just elaborating on the issue of it being a public good is that our main client will be the national and county governments of Kenya, because going to small scale farmers they have their disposable incomes are quite low and they are spending And this one is a strong lesson that we took from the Alweza, you know, project in Vietnam, which really, you know, say that a lot of these small scale farmers, especially in developing countries, do not have indeed the spending power to really, you know, subscribe to services like this. Yeah. And have you got an MOU or something with the government already a letter of support or Currently a lot of support from the government we physically we do not have a lot of support, but it is something we have presented to various stakeholders and specifically of interest has been the meteorological department of Kenya. Yeah. I have a sort of follow up for that. When with the Danish Red Cross, we did a catastrophe bond, and that required us to build a risk model, which is similar to the type of model that you're looking at the hydraulic model model for the young drought, and those can be slightly expensive. I think just some things to consider in questions that think about over time is that one, the cost of actually doing the model, the cost of the sensors, and the cost of maintaining the system, and getting it to a MVP that that basically first model and then the question of will people pay for an annual subscription for an MVP, if it's still kind of in a sort of experimental stage. And so those are some questions that you probably want to ask yourself. And then finally, you know, whether or not it's open source if there are other open source solutions available to you, because 200,000 is pretty small, pretty, pretty shallow for for what you're proposing. And to be at the level of government. So those are some things to think about as opposed to that you need to address right now. Okay, just maybe a quick response on that on whether people will be willing to pay. I've already said it is not being, you know, presented as a private good. This one is being presented as a public good. And we are literally, you know, focusing on our client. So governments, I don't think governments would would actually pay for it. Like some governments are even more difficult than private sector right so if you're presenting your product to the government needs to work at a certain level versus having a subscription model for content. So it's even another level above a consumer product. That's my point. Okay, now well enough on the on the on the on the question about the cost and 200,000 have already elaborated that this 200,000 USD is simply for the purpose of developing that experimental system already. But remember this is something that they are works already underway we we have been we are in the pressure project that is GCRF funded. And most of the case studies, a lot of the issue of hydrological models have already been developed. And therefore we are just, you know, this something that is already three years already down the line underway. Yeah, so this 200,000 is just now to move towards software development and design of the web now interface and all that such like things. So it's already work underway, we have been using funding money to develop some of these things. All right, thank you so much. Yeah, the five minutes of Q&A are over. Yes, I saw your hands was raised, but maybe during the next pitch you can post question is that okay for you. Okay, thanks. So, shoe. Are you ready with PowerPoint slide deck, because then we can go to the next person next potential entrepreneur. Sorry, I thought I was showing you the holding slide but apparently I was showing the whole process of adding everyone to the PowerPoint. Yes, I will put on our next picture. Because we have next Jagannatha Venkataramaya, if I pronounced it correctly. No, it's perfectly all right. That's why I would like to make it as JV. Good afternoon everybody. This is JV from Mysore, South India. Here, I'm trying to answer three questions. The first question is, what exactly is the problem? What is the solution we are proposing? What is the business plan? What is the outcome expected? And how much of real support we expect and what could be the returns? The topic is climate resilient water security eco business model for Bangalore urban region. In the image you can see fire, it is nothing but flare up of the largest water body lake in the Bangalore urban. So, Bangalore is metropolitan city going to be one of the most important by 2030 onwards for climate resilient management. Next one, please. Here we have one of the best technological applications from because Bangalore is the hub for the space program. Indian space program is headquarters in Bangalore and every inch of Bangalore is being studied with the geospatial data. And we have technologically very sound support. Next one, please. So, the solution proposal is ecological engineering with community enabling and open up for the entrepreneurship. Ecological engineering because most of the conventional water supply and sanitation programs go with 20, 30 years back technological interventions. It was the summit we had the Sustainable, you know, Commission on Sustainable Development, which mentioned about the environmental sound technology. We are not seriously looking at the environmental sound technology. Here is the next one, please. A business plan is like the product and services water and the repayment is simply by readjusting and restructuring, there could be a lot of savings. No additional investment for the same product and service, you can have better returns. And the revenue would be in the form of reducing the cost. Customers are households, agriculture, industry and service sectors. And the payment flow would be basically looking at the operational and recurring cost. For example, Bangalore City gets water from 120 kilometers, spending thousands of crores of rupees for electricity alone and pumping the water every drop of water to hundreds of kilometers high. So ecological engineering is a scope for it. And the risk is basically compliance to 73rd and 74th Amendment as in Agenda 21 and the same period in 1992. We had this to constitution and the good news is the local legal service authority and new wing of the Judiciary has committed a picture. They can call and execute things and monitor. That's a good thing. Next one, please. The team is, as I mentioned earlier, Bangalore is a hub for academicians, researchers, groundwater, surface water, social sciences, management. You name it, even the community-based organizations. They're able to do wonderful work and we want to take up. Now what are the key partners and suppliers? The suppliers globally, we look forward for the CBF team network to come and help us because IEE itself has made about 200 best practices in the cities all over the world. About climate resilience, planning, implementation, restructuring, things like that. We look forward for it. And the local urban local bodies and the voluntary groups will be the partners. Next one, please. And we look forward for the investors to pitching, basically the technical support and financial thing that can be worked out for the pilot study. Pilot studies, thank you. Pilot studies to demonstrate that it's possible to change without much investment. That is the whole purpose and definitely the users will be getting the payment in the water sector from anywhere from three to six years. It is a proved model available already. So I think we have to need that out to convince because water, if it is recycled, reused and reduced, it pays back. Next one, please. Here I am. I'm a resource scholar in the climate resilient water supply to Bangalore. And also I am a past, formerly a scientist engineer at ISRO, three decades of my experience as a ground support for water supply sanitation. And also a good thing is I'm also a capacity builder for urban local bodies. There are over 270 urban local bodies which look for a good model from Bangalore study we are proposing. And I'm an alumni of International Space University. And also most important, I'm a recipient of IAED. Wow. Give, which has helped me to understand things better. So I have with me, Dr. Yamina Itula is the director of Water Institute and also professor of water resource. And we have a team of researchers. The message is very simple. Ecosense is cost free. And it's a real cultural heritage of any sustainable society. Thank you so much. Your final words. The message is very simple. The final word is Ecosense is cost free. And it's a real cultural heritage of any sustainable society and we want to demonstrate for the Bangalore Metropolitan. Thank you so much, JB. Thank you. That was great. That's really a good story. Thanks. So we have again five minutes for questions and answer. It can be a question, but it can also be feedback or advice or a comment. Thank you for everything. So if somebody has a question, please raise your hand. And meanwhile, I can give the dragons also the floor already to pose a question to JB. Maybe maybe Doris has the question or another dragon. I'm happy to go. Thanks a lot. I'm just, I'm not super familiar with the sector and I couldn't really understand the value proposition. So if you could maybe just recap what is the company or the business, how you make money. So yeah, I couldn't really understand. Is it an engineering solution? Is it, yeah, what exactly is if you could just recap it in very, very plain vanilla, very simple terms that would be helpful. Thank you. I would like to put it in one sentence. There is a heritage of industries, entrepreneurs and the government department themselves able to recover a lot of financial benefits from such initiatives such as good treatment, advanced treatment of recycling and reuse. So what I want to mention, there's a heritage for decades to get it's on. We have to do in a very advanced way with the internet of things and artificial intelligence and things like that. And most importantly, community enabling. When we have more than 290 wards, see wards are the, you know, small units of the urban settlement, and we do have the resident groups very active. Like we have in the villages, you know, farmers, water use association, we do have a community level resident welfare groups. They are keen on the urban water bodies. They are keen on the sunlight being used for drinking purpose. Please look at that. Now there's a scope for ecological engineering. And when we can prove in a pilot study that these things work out. And it is actually that analysis. We can demonstrate with the little of knowledge and skill building, we can do a little partnership and enabling. That is the idea. Great. You say it's a convening of bringing together the right partners, but what is the, you be proposing to a company. What is the business plan or the business case for you, for your company? Yeah, see, we are looking at this project from a community based organization. I'm a coordinator for the People Science Forum. This is a unit of Karnataka Rajiv Jnana Parishad, which is popularly very active since three decades and enabling people with the people science activities, making people understand science and making them involved in solving the problems. And that will be the fundamental steward. Coupled to that we have Water Institute attached to Bangalore University, which is the interface for technological and academic interface, so that the best of knowledge and skill is put in. And we want to demonstrate a pilot so that all these things can work to show that it's possible to do it with little investment. That is the whole idea. Thank you. So Adam, can I ask one question? Sorry. So essentially you're a think tank who wants to basically put a pilot into the market to demonstrate that it works and then mark those services later on where you'd be paid for the services. Exactly what you're thinking. Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely. Great, great. We have still time for one very small question. And if there are no more questions, that's also fine. Right. So I think you convinced everybody, JB. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Hello, Charles. Maybe help me with pronouncing your name correctly and start your pitch. Yes, my name is Charles. I'm from Tanzania. Next, next slide. Yes, my name is Charles. From Tanzania, I'm working with us. Action as a local job. So my problem, which I want to pose here is that the single region is among the original found in Tanzania. And most of the community at rural area. We have a lack of right training improvement at household level. So this results to bad practicing of sanitation and hygiene due to absence of quality at some household level. So we have a lot of people watching facilities outside the toilet, which is that to the other cases on the area due to contamination of pieces. Also, Singida is a semi-arid area. So there is an realistic rainfall season, long drought and sometimes abnormal heavy rainfall. This also results to insufficient quality production. Next slide. So the solution which I want to, which will address the problem is one. Use the community health workers who disseminate a plantation or LSE education and capacity building on climate smart agriculture because these community health workers are being custodian on a health issues. And they are being doing quarterly basis. Therefore it would be a good platform to use the networks to address the issues of sanitation and the climate smart agriculture at household level at dispensary. And then we'll get to also on all of the meeting in the world, the meeting and at what is C, which is a word development committee who addresses the issues of awareness creation on sanitation and the smart agriculture. And also we'll use a local ad sunny for fabrication of slab, which will be will be used for improvement of credit. And also this ad sunny will be linked with the CHW, which is a community health workers to identify that the house which you have not toilet in order to sell that slab and some percentage of the sale will be back to the CHW. For proceeding with the activities. Also, we'll use village leaders and the one leader in the whole process in order to in order to own the whole program. And you will also assist you on monitoring process and technical advice, but for scaling up will you also engage local government staff for facilitation ownership on the monitoring and stability. Next slide. Next slide. Yes. Our business plan because this community available to lack of sanitation education gap on climate change impact, watch facilities and climate adaptive capacity knowledge. Therefore, they will need they will need awareness education, they will need access of sanitation facilities at the low cost. Therefore, at sunny will be produced will be capacity to produce slabs for improvement of credit. They will sell a slab at least on cost, depending to the economic status of the community. And we will also we expected to have different activities on a capacity building and awareness creation. And we look to achieve the following output, which will be increases the number of also to within probability reducing the other cases and increase of production productivity. Next slide. The composition of our team is like you see on the slide. We have three people for implementation team leader, climate expert and the MND. We also will engage as a partner of local government authority, what development committee and the village government. Next slide. What do we need from this concept? We need the initial fund for capacity building of CHW. We need the fund for refreshing for fresh training for this CHW, the current of sanitation register for collecting data, printing of tools for monitoring, funding for documentation. Also, for the case of local company, we need the fund for start up kids to do their work on the production of slabs. And for the team, the imperative team also we need a agency for facilitating the activities. And for local government, we need a podium to attend the meeting. Next slide. Charles, thank you. Five minutes go over quickly. Maybe maybe some some last words one one more sentence, your main message. Yeah. The main message is that integration of climate change and the has is a new couple of library improvements, good has and well being. Thank you so much Charles. Okay, so I'm looking to, to the participants again. If you have a question, please let us know. And also the dragons. Start again. If you could elaborate a bit on the on the climate adaptation side and the climate smart agriculture, what exactly entails that would be helpful. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. What I was meaning on adaptive capacity. Singida, of course, is the same. It's facing any unrealistic learning for therefore, there is no sure when is the learning for restart, and when will stop. The question which is the community needs is to have a knowledge on climate adaptive agriculture in order to go with the season, always the existing situation. And maybe just, yeah, I mean, I will let there is also to convince just to. So we heard about another pitch like a technological solution for that. So what is the, yeah, just trying to understand what exactly it's given a climate change is becoming making weather and rain but just unpredictable. Is there some sort of solution or is it more just generic education on that they need to know about it or do you offer some solutions for this. Because they have to know first is a general picture of the general picture of climate change impact. And then to have will give them the solution on giving them the, the city which you can a, can a, can a, can a, can a, can a, can a. This is a pleasant, pleasant situation or the pleasant weather, which will enable them to, to, to, to, to get a course for their best needs. Thank you, Charles. And Ada. So, Doris, you have a question. Please go ahead. My question is on the business plan. So will the local be able to what is the reasonable costs, because some you have said they will pay a reasonable cost for this lab and will the local be able to pay enough for at the time to get something and the community health worker. And how will you sustain the project. It's a good question. Of course, this lab. Concrete slab. It almost costs for one slab. Tanzania sharing 10,000. So, the, the cost for, for, for, for, for buying of the community, it will be like, no, preparation of slab with almost 8,000, but they can sell it for 10,000. So, the 22,000 will be as a saving for the, for the, for the answer. And this will be divided into two because they are working in collaboration because the CHW will be identifying the household with no toilet. And that information will be given to artisans. Therefore, they, to know that where they need, they should use CHW. Therefore, the percent which will end from selling that slab, they will be divided. One thousand is for artisan and one thousand for CHW to proceed at it, find the household with it with the needs. And this is not a new idea because the government has a national sanitation campaign. They are, they are proceeding with these things. So it will be sustainable because the national, the government also, the government itself, it supports this program. Thank you, Charles and Doris. So, let's go to the next presenter. DNA. Please go at five minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, JRP, IUCN and CBA platform for this platform and also the opportunity to learn and pitch. So, the topic I'm going to cover today is mostly going to be, the pitch is going to be about preventing wild animal attack. I'm Tini Tamang currently working on a disaster resilience project. I'm working as a regional small advisor. Thank you. Let's go to the next slide. I'm bringing you today here to a small community that is surrounded by floods. Every year, these, this community is affected by flood. And we had barely started protecting them from this reoccurring flood and also the river cutting. And now with every flooding, the wild elephants that are nearby in the national park, they have started coming out of those community of those national parks and coming to the communities. Can you move the slide for the animation? Yeah, so now the thing is the problem is what we had done was we had planted some crops along the riverbed so that we could prevent the flooding. Now that itself is now acting as a, what do you call it a candy for the elephants to come in. And every year they are starting to experience this. So to prevent this, I am pitching this project. Now what I am pitching is for a pilot project, a piloting of technology or techniques that best suits the context surrounding the community to prevent these animals from entering into the community and fields. And it is not that we haven't tested anything. We have already done and tried a lot of things from different contexts, different countries, looking at different case studies, like using sounds, using the farming which have loud noises, using the flashlights, using the firecrackers, even digging the trenches around the communities and even making those barbed fences. But the thing with elephants is they are very clever. And like once they know the way around, they follow the same path. So it's not easy to develop an exact solution for us. That has been a challenge for us. So that's the pitch for us now. We are looking to develop a technology or technique for that. Let's go to the next slide. Also, now for the business plan, I want to present to you like who is willing to make this investment. For this, I would say everybody is willing to make the investment. The communities are willing to make the investment. Local governments are willing to make the investment. National Park Office are willing to make the investment. Why? Like you know, because communities are affected, because local government have their social responsibilities to do so. National Park Office, they have their own responsibilities as well, since these are coming from those national parks, who are our potential consumers of the product that we would be developing. These are the communities that are being affected. And also these are the local government. Why would I say this? Because one of our local government also said that we saw in some YouTube that they were driving off elephants using drones. So why don't you help us buy the drones? But like we were not sure of whether that technology would be helpful or not. So we didn't initiate that. Like we said, let us test first. Now, if you look at the cost of the drone itself, even the cheapest one is $2,000, right? So you see that there is a willingness to invest, and there is a potential for that. What are we selling? Yes, we are selling the technical service product and technology. I also want to present you some cost analysis. Can you go to the next slide? Thank you. Wow, four minutes already. Nice. So in a single community itself, we have already lost 3.4 hectares of sugarcane, 1.7 hectares of rice fields. That amounts to around $6,750 USD. And looking at the per capita income of individuals is only $1,071. That's a yearly income, and that much we are losing. We already have four household damage in a year. Three people injured, and thank God no lives lost. And this happens twice a year. Next one, please. Next, yes. So we are the trusted partners. What we are bringing is our whole team here. We have been working here for 13 to 14 years. We have a strong local partners. We are trusted. We are known by all the stakeholders as the technical experts. The community trusted us. So if we bring any solution, they are definitely to follow through and this piloting would definitely be successful. Next slide, please. Okay. Yeah, so as presented here, we are asking for partnership and connections. That is what I'll ask. Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much, Diné. Great. Adam, I see that you have a question. Please go ahead. Yeah, sure. Thanks for presenting this idea. I have a question and a comment. And the first question I wanted to ask was, obviously there's a reason why the elephants are coming across the river to get food. You said it was candy, but have you actually thought about looking at it from a different perspective as to getting them to prevent them from actually crossing the river by planting the food they're interested in on that side, right? And then have a secondary barrier where if they do cross that there's another way of addressing that. So looking at it from a holistic perspective as to what the root problem is. And then the second question I have in that is sort of from a global perspective, what is the absolute or an estimate kind of like economic impact and the number of potential communities who would be interested in the technology that you're buying. And would that be used for something other than just elephants, right? So it's about product extension overall market. Yeah. Thank you very much for the question, Adam. So coming back to the first question that you had, that was about the root problem. So one of the root problems is the flooding. Whenever there is flooding, the whole of the national park gets flooded and that's why they come out of the forest areas. Now another problem to what you had already mentioned was this is a national park area from where they are coming. So we are not allowed to do any kind of other cropping activities. And hence like that stopping or that barrier is not possible. And also like the place where we are walking is a boundary between two countries, it's an international boundary. So it's a little bit difficult to go around that scenario. So it's India in another side of the river and Nepal in this side of the river. So doing a little bit of work on that is a little bit problem. And about that whole global impact or whether it can be scaled up, definitely it can be as I had placed it in the very last slide, but I wasn't able to present it. But I was also looking at one of the solutions called lion light if you have seen that and I had witnessed that in the TED talk also. The little boy had used small battery lamps to like to do away with the lions like he was scaring the lions with the lights using a small battery. And those kind of solutions are there, which can be extended like those localized local knowledge can be used to like implement in other areas also likes but for specific for elephants this has this has been trouble in many countries it's not only for Nepal, because I have seen this technology different local technology being used in different places some people use also chili peppers. And like, they are not as effective it hasn't been the solution for us. So if you are able to give a good solution for this, it can be scaled to not only across Nepal, but also across global. Thank you. Thank you. So, it's time for the next presenter. Can we have the PowerPoint slide deck. Yes, I'm on it. The computer is being really slow. Sorry for this. Sure. Just take some time. Okay, we're there. Yes, go ahead. Yes. Good afternoon from me along with Malawi. My name is chicken but so can we go to the next slide please. My name as I indicated that's my name there I work for the embass of Ireland in long way Malawi, but I'm also a founder of an enterprise called West Watson. I'm going to present mostly based on this idea that West wants to like to present to you. Next, next slide please. So, I, I, as I have already indicated I work as an advisor, but I own a startup enterprise called, called West, I've worked extensively on promoting energy solutions for the poor as part of my work in the embassy. The achievement is a distribution of 2 million improved cooks by 2020 as a commitment that Malawi made at the national at the global clean cooking alliance. So, I've been motivated by that achievement to do more on the energy side of things so please next slide. The problem, the problem that I would like to solve first of all is poor waste management in the long way city. There is lack of waste segregation to support value addition to waste. Just to give you an overview, the long way produces over 500 metric tons of waste per day and 46% of it is organic waste. So, it's a big problem because even though the local city council does waste collection, but most of it is dumped on the sides and causes a lot of environmental hazards around residents in the long way. There's another problem about charcoal in Malawi in most urban areas, 74% of the households use charcoal, but the problem is that most of this charcoal that is being used is illegally produced. So, they use the forest reserves that government designated as protected to produce charcoal and because of poverty, the government has been having a challenge to outlaw this charcoal problem. So, it's leading to massive deforestation and lack of alternatives in the energy sector. So, my solution is going to address this. And the third problem is that there is no agricultural protection due to poor soil fertility and land decretation for most mohoda farmers around the long way city. So, and there is heavy reliance on organic fertilizers. Just to give you a quick overview, in terms of the yields in Malawi, maize is the staple food, but at the moment most households produce up to 1.1 metric tons per hectare against the potential of over 6 metric tons of maize per hectare. So, land degradation, poor soil fertility is a very big problem. So, we want to address this problem. Next slide please. Next slide please. There seems to be a freeze. Hello? Yes, the solution is your next slide. Do you want to skip this one or talk about your solution? I want to go to the solution. Yes, okay. That's what we're seeing now, the solution. I can't see it and feel it, but anyway, let me just mention it. Okay, so the solution here is, first of all, we're talking about improved waste collection methods. So, we want to introduce waste collection where there will be desegregation of waste. So, they will produce, will provide bins to select a number of households where they will be putting in their waste. So, say, one bin they will be putting in organic waste, another bin, metallic waste and so on and so forth. But our interest is mostly on the organic waste and mostly we're talking about food waste. So, we'll be collecting that using our collection tracks. And from the waste that is collected, we'll be producing biogas from especially food waste and sell it to restaurants and hotels for a start. And then the other product that will be selling is going to be liquid fertilizer, which is a byproduct of the whole process. We want to target mostly restaurants because they are places which are busy and use a lot of energy and especially charcoal. Next slide, please. So, our value proposition is that biogas can substitute charcoal and LPG. Mostly in Malawi, LPG is imported and it's most affected by price fluctuations. At the moment, the penetration of LPG is 0.2% in the urban long way. But we want to increase this because our solution is going to use both LPG and biogas. So, if you have a ceiling that uses LPG, we want to have a situation where you can also use it with biogas. So, that's what we're going to do. The other one is improve waste collection. So, we've improved waste collection to enable other businesses to come in and do recycling. We're talking about plastics in two bricks, for example, and other items. So, it will be a coordinated process of waste management. And lastly, our addition of liquid fertilizer will reduce the burden on fertilizer substitute program in Malawi where if households are going to use liquid fertilizer, they're going to improve yields. Last slide, please. So, the last slide, what we're looking for, we're looking for, yes, for about $20,000 US dollars as a summary of initial investment. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thanks so much. Do you want to say one last sentence? So, one last sentence is that we really need to address the energy challenges in Malawi because if we don't, in the next 10 years, there won't be energy for most of the poor people in Malawi. So, it's very important that we do address it now. Thank you. Great. So, I'm looking to the participants again to pose a question or provide advice or other feedback. Yes. Thanks a lot. Very interesting. I'm wondering, what's the scale? I'm sorry, I didn't understand because it was rushed the last slide. So, if you could repeat the costs of the investment and just wondering about the scale potentially. And the second point is if you have looked into potentially maybe carbon finance or I mentioned cookstalls that definitely, if you distributed 2 million cookstalls, that's definitely something there and biogas as well. So, I was wondering if you have looked into carbon finance as well. Okay. Thank you so much. The first question you've asked about the cost, $120,000 US dollars. And we're looking at a biogas plant that is 160 cubic meters. And this can produce potentially energy for over 200 households consistently. So, that's what we're looking for. But that there's a potential to upscale it, increase the capacity of that biogas plant. The second question you asked was about, I don't know if I've asked the, I think you've answered actually the scale. We're talking about 200 households. But for the initial year, we are saying that, you know, in Manawi, the penetration of biogas as well as LPG is low. So, the entry point is restaurants and hotels. So, if you have restaurants and hotels, that would be a starting point. So, that in the next phase, then we can go to the actual households where we'll be selling the biogas and build the distribution systems for the biogas itself. In terms of carbon finance, this has not been looked at at the moment. It's a little bit difficult, I think, for entry level kind of startup businesses like ours to go into the carbon finance market. The most important thing is that you start the business first and start some kind of, you know, distribution and then you can then apply for carbon finance. We look at that as an opportunity in the future to use that kind of financing. But at the moment, we just want to start and get on the ground and do the production of the biogas. Thank you so much. Okay, so just a final question that obviously one of the criteria of carbon finance is to be additional. So, you mean that without any additional carbon finance in this case, you think the business case is there. So, in terms of what you're going to be able to sell the gas and the production cost, it's economically viable. Yes, it is economically viable. Actually, our calculations, what we've done on our calculations and especially on the products that we want to be selling. The first one is, you know, the actual waste collection is going to attract a fee. So that's revenue. And the second source of revenue is actual selling of the biogas itself. And the thirdly, the selling of liquid fertilizer. We've calculated and we've seen that in the return, the returns from this kind of project would be in two years. So we'll be able to make returns on the investment in two years. But in addition to that, if we have the opportunity to upscale this kind of system, we can make double that we can actually do the revenue. We can get the revenue, not in two years, the returns, I mean, not in two years, but actually in one year. So we are modest in the way we have calculated our initial requirements and the profit that we need at the moment. But we think that we can get more if the capacity is increased. But we will remain at that small capacity for now. Thank you. Thank you. Adam also had a question. Great. Thanks for your time and the presentation thoughtfulness. I have a question about the rent. And I was looking at number two, which is 33,000 roughly us. And I'm wondering, is this for a short term lease is it an annual lease, or is it multi year. The idea being that if you're putting this most infrastructure into place you don't want to be stuck to a short term lease. And that's pretty expensive as a total cost. So thinking from a sustainability perspective. Okay, thank you so much. What we are looking at, we are looking at acquiring the piece of land like permanently. So that's what we think that it can be can have more value than lending a place because we're talking about a place where we'll be turning the waste into valuable products. So we need to have long term lease of the land. And I think in Malawi, the idea is that the most workable solution is to buy that land and do the value addition. We think that it's not only biogas that would be doing in the short term. In the long term, there will be other waste recycling activities happening. For example, chaining plastic into bricks, for instance, and other waste recycling or use kind of methods that we can talk about. But for now, our starting point is going to be biogas. Okay, just as just a point then, right? Then based on where your business is working. Okay, yeah, very short. So based on where your business is and your market, you need to get that land and make sure that you can actually acquire that land at a reasonable cost because it seems like it's in CBD in the central business area. It's in the, it's in the informal districts, I imagine so that could be multiple plots of land to lower your time of collection to processing so just as a thought over. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So let's go to the next presenter, Ibrahim. Please go at the floor short. We cannot hear you yet. We still cannot hear you. Yes. If you're ready, you can start. Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, my name is Ibrahim Inusa and I'm connecting from Nigeria and I work and found my own little initiative, Nature Conservation Advocate for Climate Initiative where we advocate to the young people underneath to rise and take action on nature and the climate crisis with the focus on restoration climate education and waste management. So we are next slide please. The problem, so I want to start by asking, do you know the rate at which the deserts trouble annually? So I think the problem here is desertification and drought that leads to less rainfall and extreme weather with the certain change in temperature and less rainfall annually. So next slide please. So our solution is through agroforestry and we have a mission of planting 17 million trees by 2030 which are economical trees and the indigenous drought resistant trees that can withstand those climate destruction and build the resilience of the community back there. Next slide. And sorry, I was working on the working plan and so we want to work with the local communities where we train them and empower them and give them the required skills and the necessary tools needed to arise those indigenous drought resistant trees and how they can retain the way they farm because the farm is not longer productive as a result of this desertification and the drought caused by the changing climate. And we connect after they plant and raise the students then we connect them to the market and see how they can generate revenue for their own income. Next slide please. So our team comprised of young academia, community-based actors who are already leading the way and the community leaders for intergenerational solution. Next slide. And so we are soliciting for partners and donors who are already working in the restoration, especially on the dry lands of Africa, which to help us with the necessary resources to achieve our mission of rising and restoring this degraded landscape and while building back better the resilience of our people and communities from the negative impact of this crisis across the Sahelian part of Nigeria. Next slide. And so this is my contact and you can go and look into our works at ncacei.org on Twitter and Instagram and the conserves Sahel on Facebook and my message is come like this so the need to restore the degraded land is to bring economic resilience, create jobs and raise income and build food security so and we can see that the pandemic has played a significant role in lessening the impact of the climate change and the great recovery. Let's see how we can restore back better and today is all day to combat desertification and which has three pillars of restoration, land recovery so for us to build back better with healthy land. The best way to plan the restoration is the immediate list of the process of desertification and to maintain this by planting more and more trees, not just planting more trees to sequester carbon but to plan them and to build the capacity of the most vulnerable and the pro online communities. Thank you. Thank you so much you bring great. That's perfect within time. So, if there are any questions, please go ahead. I have one thanks a lot. Yeah, it's obviously a very important initiative and my question is that have you are a part of having to do the great green wall initiative because there is a lot of attention obviously for that refreshing the area in Africa and there is no shortage of funds there is a lot of attention donor money and investors as well as ourselves talking into it. So my question is, typically the difficulties is is the capacity building like capacity on the ground to implement so could you elaborate on what you how you planning to plan this 17 years trees or what would be the solution or how to yeah how to implement this implementation is the biggest challenge in this area. Yes, actually, I had I know a great great green wall and reaching out to them has been like a challenging and the structure they are using they are coming in through the government and so this is also a barrier and what what is our initiative from that is that we want to. We want to hand this, I think we want to do it directly from the grassroot and we want it to be to be served developed by the by the by the. We, the young people and the coming up climate advocate so from the most vulnerable communities find it very hard to to. For government to do to accept but we have been pushing pushing pushing and pushing to see how the government can directly connect us to the initiative like great green world because it's intergovernmental and and and. Yes, and also in achieving our goals sorry can you can you repeat the second question. It's just to yeah just exactly and I agree with you that it's it's often hard to get into this governmental intergovernmental systems but it's just just how you going to implement so what's your plan to plan the 70 million trees. You have a you are project developer yourself you work with others or how are you going to achieve that 70 trees target. Since it we want to we want this project to be community based and owned by the community. We want to do this by creating a community knows where these communities can can can raise their silly and distributed to the to the farmers so it's going to be with with the. Supervision of the community leaders and the respectable people respected people in the in the community where where they can they can distribute it to the farmers because because this this the palms are dying so we need to rethink the way. We can we can restore and build back better so how can we do that the usual way of farming will not longer be be sustainable so. The regenerative and agroforestry I think is the answer so by them rising this and taking the plant to their to their palms so we have a target of having. Community nursery in each and every community of the Sahel in in in the Sahel area region of Nigeria so yes this is how we want to achieve the 70 million tree planting across across the Sahel. Thank you. Great great. Adam you press your hand. Thank you very much for your time. I have just a couple quick questions for you. So my first question is the idea is that you will create nursery and then be doing saplings and then part of the business models to sell the saplings to the communities for replant for reforestation. Is that the idea. Sorry. Are you planning on creating a nursery so that the communities either maintain their own nursery and they sell those plants or are you going to have like a central nursery where you distribute the plants is that that's the first question. Oh, is that the the community will is are going to raise their own ceiling and they they sell it out to the farmers so whereby generating the remedy not central we are not using central nursery. So because we are planting indigenous and drought resistant so every community we're going to build their capacity on how to search for these indigenous seeds and raise it their own and and and see how they can get. Okay. Yeah, just one I know we're out of time that the last thing then is that the first part then is that you have to create the nurseries saplings take time to grow, then you plant the saplings, they start to grow. And in that time there's some regenerative process with the soil and with techniques. So there's a long time horizon here right at least five 10 years easy. So when you're thinking about your financing source and how you have how your team is committed. It's very long commitment process here so I just think you need to keep that in mind when you think about how much money you need. So how you're presenting the program. So, but very good thank you over. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Adam. Great. Thanks so much. I think that was all clear. Let's go to the next presenter. If we can have the slide deck shared on the screen. Think we have Josephine. Yes, Josephine. Are you ready Josephine. I am ready. Can you listen to me. Yes, we can hear you. Hello, everyone. I'm Josephine war enough. I am a lawyer specializing fisheries management. I'm currently working with the environmental law Institute and I had worked in international relations and trade before moving on to ocean and fisheries management and more specially small scale fisheries management. I'm also the mother of two amazing boys that probably taught me better than anything else with one particularly pushed me out of my comfort zone. But let's go back to the ocean and it's part of depleted fisheries and degraded ecosystems. As we all know, getting the ocean back to health will require everyone to participate and quite a lot of funding for the funding parts blue finance was designated to fill in the financial gap, bringing private money through different financial instruments with blended finance for the participatory part conservationist and many others are increasingly calling for more support for collaborative actions. This is where locally led actions community based adaptation co management and other collaborative transition projects come into place, bringing different stakeholders mainly SMEs and individuals local governments communities and NGOs together to design and implement solutions. However, when it comes to dealing with the uncertainty of climate change and human behaviors, investors are risk averse. They want and it is a good thing, some guarantees that their investment is going to bear fruit financially and environmentally and socially standards and indicators control mechanism and certification are receiving the big role here. But, and I'm speaking as a lawyer, these highly detailed and technical norms were often written with industrial actors commercial ventures or highly skilled tech entrepreneurs in mind. And when it comes to local collaborative projects, checking these multiple boxes and requirements can quickly kill the enthusiasm in the egg. The ocean fishermen and coastal communities are increasingly working to transition to sustainable management, but are rarely being guaranteed of getting the economic benefits. MSC certification and other market based solution to capture revenue is really an option for them. So my question here is, how can we connect the dots between the desire to support collaborative action, the need for de risking such an approach, while guaranteeing its real impacts on the water and for the communities. We know we have to stop thinking in silo and move on to integrated visions, but we are clearly struggling with how to do it. We need to shift the whole paradigm away from trying to fix towards trying to connect. So let me introduce you to our new hope, creative, creating the collaborative governance incubator. So the main role of the incubator will be to welcome local actors in my cat fishermen with collaborative projects in their infancy or any further stage of development, fishermen and other actors, of course, they will probably come with their own limits, lack of time, political instability, skills and knowledge, but full of ideas and potential. They're assisted by a team of legal and governance specialist they would have the opportunity to incubate their collaborative enthusiasm to turn it into long term collaborative institutions and regulations. We also request practical assistance at different stages of their adaptation project, drafting key performance indicators, monitoring evaluation learning process, special purpose the hikers for finance purposes. We could also assist with drafting new government policy and regulations around the project when the need and will arises. In this technical assistance role, the incubator will play another subsidiary role, rich of our experience and through a collaborative process, we will develop a standardized but adaptable framework to assess and certify small scale fisheries communities on their way to sustainability. For example, fish coming from such communities will carry the added value of recognized collaborative sustainability products that would interest the real sector. For that purpose will act as intermediaries responsible to assess, verify and report and even certify the improvement of governance requirement, gender equality, collaborative process, fair distribution of benefits, support for livelihood, no one left behind, etc. How is it going to generate revenue. Investing in governance reform is costly and takes time, but there are ways to capture the economic value created at the end for our revenue model in the long run companies willing to market sustainable fresh from local communities are going to pay for services for their supplier. We also expect impact investor to be interested in increasing the success potential of their projects, having access to this technical assessment would drastically improve their potential for success in whatever project they want to pursue, adding a clear value to the project for investors. Our plan is first to further develop a legal and governance expertise in the field by applying this approach to our current project with fishery communities by researching and analyzing and connecting with other similar initiatives. We will develop collaboratively our standard for sustainable products. Thank you, just spin. Sorry, I'm almost finished. We will influence global normative frameworks to open up to local collaborative actions in a more adapted way. So in the meantime, we create a combination of public funds and governments to set up the standards. So what we are going to ask right now can go to the last slide. Just one more sentence. Yes, it's, we are looking for sits funding to develop a business plan and your enthusiasm and contact to increase our team and network. So to finish here is my contact in the next slide. And the last message that is clearly stolen from one of my former employers collaborative governance also needs a good lawyer. Thank you for listening. Wonderful. Wonderful, Josephine. Thank you so much. So are there any questions from the audience or the dragons or both? Maybe I spoke too fast. Nobody. It's a lot of night care. Very interesting. I think we really need these type of initiatives. I'm just trying to think from a private sector perspective. My, my comment or feedback would be that we definitely need these initiatives, but it's very hard to fundraise from private, but maybe just a question if you have a few targeting philanthropic or public sources. Or yeah, who is your target? Because I think there is a lot of money or yeah, it's not too easy to get but public but but maybe that's more suited for this type of initiatives that would be just a comment more like that. So our, our, for developing the project at the environmental institute, we will clearly target some philanthropies grants. But in the long run, we kind of hope to attract some private sectors actors and collaboration eventually. We also need to be like networking with the private sector because that those will be also the people we will try to connect our projects to. So clearly for the for the funding of our project we will clearly go for philanthropies but for the connection that the network that we need for the project to succeed, we clearly have to go to other sectors as well. Yeah, absolutely. And so one maybe one, but I think you're thinking on those lines so one of the lessons from the market on these type of initiatives that it's indeed connecting early on with the end investors increases significantly the success rate or the efficiency of such initiatives. Because even if you have the seed funding then you need to have as you said the investors behind to scale up those projects so if you early on build out your ecosystem. I don't know the CP the consideration, private sector and coalition for private sector and conservation they work on these kind of initiatives it's really good to plug into these groups early on and and that can hopefully help the efficiency. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. Okay. Okay, sorry. Yeah, sorry. You know what's really interesting about this is around the standards and creating a brand like the fair trade but something similar to fish and aquaculture. And you know that in itself has a lot of value, but linking up to digital identity and traceability using blockchain and things that nature NFTs, although those are hot terms and no one's talking about blockchain yet. I don't want to bring it up. But, you know, there is a great way to think about it from traceability and from like farm before or ocean to fork or ocean to market however that is. There's some, as you say like some flash to it that would get people's attention in some ways and thinking about that would be really interesting as well, especially the identification and the credentialing side, how that's used. There's a lot of, there's a lot of space to play in there and I think you guys would be able to do that. Thank you. Yeah, good advice. I don't think you. Okay, it's time to go to the next presenter. And I think it's the final one. John. John. Good to unmute. We heard that you want to present something as well. We cannot hear you yet. John, if you want to pitch, then this is your chance. Yes, John, great to hear you. Hello. Yes, we can hear you. Okay, I'm sending my, they told me to put it in a PowerPoint and I'm just sending it. Could you maybe just speak by heart and just just presented without a PowerPoint otherwise it takes too much time. I want just a few seconds. Or you can share your screen. Do you know how to do that? John can share his screen. That's in the settings. Let me see if I can fix it. Yes. Sharing of the screen. No, we don't see your screen. But if you're comfortable enough, please, please just give your pitch with without a PowerPoint. John, are you there? His screen is frozen. Okay. Oh, he left the entire call. So that's very unfortunate. I think the connection is probed to me. There he is. Okay, John, are you ready? We cannot hear you. John, could you please start your presentation otherwise we will start voting for the best presentation. Okay, let me share without the, let me start here. Let me share with that. I'm Kanga John. I'm based in a, I'm working with the Canberra Environmental Association. Another for-profit based organization. And for, we have been operating for more than 15 years. And we have made, we have been practicing ecosystem-based adaptation, which has led us to make our more than 80 village green so far. That we call it a forested village, which has really done a lot to make sure that it contribute the reduction of greenhouse gas. Now the challenge we have is that after all that work which have been done, we have, we have been doing. A COVID, COVID disease has brought a problem because people now have become very poor. The livelihood has become impossible. Now they are cutting the trees. They are using chemicals, chemistry and medical fees, food and so forth. And what is our goal? Our main goal is to look for financial support and technical support to make sure the work which we have achieved doesn't, it can continue. Therefore, we want to help the farmers to be given some support in the way how they are farming because they, because of COVID, they have become very poor. Marketing their produce has been a big problem. As I'm talking now, we are in lockdown, people are not moving out here and there. We want also to plant trees. We want to create a frozen screen. Okay, so this internet connection is not so stable. Okay, this is a really challenging circumstance, maybe we can move on. So, Jesper, or that does, no, I don't think it's good idea to pose questions because he will not hear it. He's left the Zoom call as well, I see. Okay, so I propose to go to the voting. This is the final moment, crucial moment. May we see the slide deck? Can we see the slide deck? Thank you. Yes, of course, the computer is so slow, so you have to give me some time, but here it is. Great, thanks. Yes, so Jesper, can you take over? Thank you. Yes, good. So now I will ask the audience here to vote. You know how to use Mentimeter, I think, you log on to this and then you rank the different pictures according to what you feel. And in the meantime, we will also extract the dragons for a little tete-a-tete in a breakout room and discuss. If we can arrange that. Jesper, I have a quick question for you. Just for everyone's benefit, the way that Menti's organized, it has letters on it and people's names. Could someone just run through what those projects were so everybody knows who's responsible for what, because maybe that's not... That's a good point. Great, thanks. I am sorry, I was scrolling through the PowerPoints for you and then the next slide came on. Let me see, I will check if I can give you an overview real quick. But as I said, the computer is not working in my favor at this moment. Then we just copy paste the titles and the names side by side in the chat that also would work. Yes, the thing is I don't have a title for every presentation. Maybe the presenters can type their name and presentation name in the chat. Yeah, we could do that. So all the seven pictures can do that. Apologies for the technical challenges here. It's really frustrating not to be able to hear every one percent depending on where they are. And it speaks to the inequality that we still struggle with. But we're trying to do our best to sort that out. And the dragons, we will shortly be in a breakout room to have a bit of a discussion. So you don't have to vote in this on the Mentimeter. So have you all voted? We need to have all the votes. Yes, thumbs up. Could you do a thumbs up if you have voted? Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. The more votes the better. Now the dragons are discussing their, their opinion and their, their votes. Yes, Stanley. Great. So that's good. So tomorrow, the winner will be announced during the plenary. So this is all very excited. About 200 people will, will know who has the winning project. There will be a lot of outreach via social media from IAD. And of course you will reach a very large audience during the session. There, there's no price money, but there's just a lot of exposure. And we ask you to, we ask all the pictures to be there. Because the winning presenter will be announced there. And there, there you can give a small, very small pitch in about one minute of your ID. So that's very exciting. So I think this is it for today. I'm still waiting for, for the host to, to come back in to give some final words. Maybe you can stay on, hang on just for a moment. I'm just getting a message that the, the dragons have started the discussion. So the vote of the audience will be merged with the vote of the dragons. And they have to last say the dragons to choose the winner. So I think they will need another 10 minutes. Okay, so let's round off from here. Because the dragons are still discussing and we will choose a winner then based on your votes and the votes of the dragon. So thank you so much for your participation and see you all tomorrow. You know what time, right during the January. We, we, we, we, yes. I don't know. Let me also check. Henry starts at one CST, I think 12 BST. So be there, be prepared to, to give a one minute pitch if you're the winner. Okay. Yeah. So just to be sure, the only the winner is pitching, right? Only the winner is pitching and the winner will be announced there on the spot. Although your pitch doesn't need to be five minutes. It can be shorter, just a couple of slides very quickly. Two to three minutes, tell them your ID. Just per second and that one minute takes five days to prepare compared to five minutes taking three days. Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. Bye. Okay. Thank you. I want to say very well done. Thank you. Thank you.