 would have woolly mammoths were wait a mastodon right not a mammoth mastodon correct okay see i don't think mastodons really mammoths are crap with tools no they i think that i think the reverse would be true because they're a lot sharper you would think mastodons i think comparatively have a much smaller brain case yeah but that's why there's tools all i'm saying some of the best chairs i've ever bought were from mastodon only communities so yeah no except that all the extra hair that can't stop the side of the road in ohio at a mastodon encampment some fine crafts oh yeah look at these pictures this is crazy there's some photos up on uh wire yeah yeah i saw the alert from wired actually that's pretty cool that's cool i love that kind of stuff well and and it's one of those things we're like they have to actually make sure that the tools all date from the same era as the mastodon but if they do that means we we humans were using tools or mastodons perhaps a lot longer ago yeah that means mastodons were using tools much earlier than we suspected yeah and in fact they never really went extinct they actually built themselves a ship to cross the vast cosmos yeah these are the tools they used well and also uh they some of them descended into the earth to become the mull men they really are a mull mastodon are they the chud oh the chud is the cannibalistic human underground dwellers annoyed underground weller yeah you mean the mud the cannibalistic mastodon underground but it turns out in the movie what did it stand for uh something hazard urban disposal chemical hazard urban disposal yeah yeah and all the homeless people turned into chuds called fallout for we saw them film sack it is it is a garbage movie it is but you know what it's so emblematic emblematic of a lot of those movies like you had trauma full moon they're all cranking out schlocky like nukem high rare nukem high or um surf nazis must die saw that when i'm film sack also yeah all that trauma era stuff is delightful really that's one way to put it so bio cow in the chat room is saying for there's that second screen uh feature at diamondclub.tv where they can show just like roger shows the link in the in the video screen they can actually show the actual page so if you're on using a browser watching diamondclub.tv you can actually click on the the article and everything which is really cool um bio says he worked out a solution where it could be done automatically so any show as long as they're using google sheets would just highlight a cell uh and they would send that url to the second screen system that's pretty nifty uh cool all right scott johnson are you prepared i am prepared i've been uh 10 000 years or however it goes for illidan but i'm prepared now i'm prepared you are prepared okay well let's get rolling here we go daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support this is the daily tech news for wednesday april 26 2017 i'm tom merit as usual he's scott johnson as usual and we're about to lay down the tech news as usual scott johnson yeah thick and rich and ready for intake is how we like to put it i love wednesdays they're the best spread thick and rich across the toast of your brain that's right to help you understand that's what we do with daily tech news show is here to help you understand what's going on we try we try our best to deliver the news in an entertaining way uh so that you have a little more understanding about what's going on you sound a little smarter when you talk about technology seems to work for some folks hope you're one of them thanks for joining us let's start with a few tech things you should know about et news not an entertainment tonight also not extraterrestrial it's a Korean outlet et news reports that refurbished samsung note 7 phones will be available from three carriers in south korea starting in june possibly this is none of it official possibly to be called the note 7 r for refurbished hmm i don't know about them but i'd be nervous or note 7 r for are you afraid of explode has a smaller battery has a smaller battery all right well that's fine then hopefully it has things between battery and phone that will make it not melt in your hand the european council tuesday adopted the legal act that ends roaming charges in all 28 european member states as of june 15th and in european economic areas states iceland lichtenstein never say that right and norway shortly after this is the uk affected by this i guess until they leave uk gets the free roaming until it leaves they've known you the where uk stands as they they've said they are going to leave but they're still negotiating their exit so it'll be it'll be a couple of years probably before that actually happens at that point then who knows whether they'll actually still be part of this roaming agreement or not yeah instagram announced it now has 700 million monthly active users for its entire platform that's up from 600 million in december which instagram says is it's fastest growth yet wow that's also a lot of inadvertent growth for facebook whether you realize it or not well yeah instagram's getting up i mean facebook's 1.4 billion so it's still twice on instagram but it's getting up there yeah since they i i guess they're since they're bedfellows also by the way just real quick a throwback if you're in britain i think it'd be cool if your phone on the day brexit becomes official that it would say some roaming charges may occur on everyone's phone so just all the it's the it's the it's the alert from whatever news organization you have on your phone that says you know it's the brexit is now official it has happened and then some roaming charges comes right i think that's amazing uh uber will now show you the star rating drivers give you as a writer right under your name in the main menu so finally you can find out yeah they think of you it's in there right now you just have to know where to find it deep in the menus but they're gonna put it front and center so that's kind of cool all right here's some more top stories FCC chairman announced his plan to reclassify internet providers as title one information services here we go again we know you guys love a good net neutrality fight we get one every year or two like a freaking haley's comet on a short period of orbit so let's do it again why not let's end the rules that allow the commission to adapt rules to future practices open questions about the no blocking and no throttling rules implemented in 2015 full text of the proposal will be published thursday afternoon and voted on by the FCC may 18th now that vote you may remember this from the last time around under tom wheeler is not to approve the rules that's to approve the proposal will be put in front of the public the public will then be able to comment and boy will they if it last time around was any indication commission will then revise the rules based on that public feedback before voting to enact a final proposal later this year isn't this fun scott yeah it's like a roller coaster i do twitter freak out in three two one probably that's the other thing oh yeah um i mean yeah that what time of day is it there's a twitter freak out but yeah uh we've already got uh public knowledge uh objecting to this we've already got the internet association which is a lobbyist group on behalf of google facebook etc objecting to this uh there's a myth myth in fact uh announcement out by chairman pie talking how you know title two regulations are necessary to preserve a free and open internet is a myth the internet was free and open prior to title two regulations stuff like that the only one to be aware of in these myths and facts is that you'll see one that says title two regulations have reduced infrastructure investment uh so the FCC's the object pies announcement says among art nation's 12 largest internet service providers domestic broadband capital expenditure decreased by 5.6 percent or 3.6 billion dollars during the first two years since title two reclassification and title two has also hurt smaller providers ability to get financing and reduced infrastructure investment now that sounds horrible right you'd be like well yeah title two sounds like a bad idea however tech crunch points out you could say the same thing after the FCC classified cable internet as title one title one is what the FCC wants to reclassify it's an information service because investment fell in 2002 after cable internet was declared title one also many internet providers have increased spending or projected the decreases mentioned by pie years ahead of time uh there's actually a very good article over free press dot net although free press is a lobbyist organization on the other side of this uh and and so you you may not want to go there because you think they have bias but then some of the numbers there you can independently verify and the fact is investment doesn't seem to have been affected one way or the other by this and honestly scott that's where i end up on this i think this is all ridiculous the problem is competition classifying as title two didn't do much if anything to increase direct competition for most customers in the united states reclassifying as title one ain't gonna do anything for that either no matter what you hear people say they're all playing a game of football between the telecommunications companies and the web companies and you're the football and none of this is helping you get cheaper internet yeah i mean it strikes me is just the same saying same package of arguments different wrapping paper this time around and uh the way this the way this ends up going is if i'm the football somebody at some point is going to finally realize what we should be playing is baseball just to continue your metaphor like maybe that we're looking at the wrong game whatever that game is they're playing right now and we get to deal with it every couple of years or every couple of months every six months uh it's not doing anything and it starts to make me a little fatigued where i start to start to care a little bit less about it thinking well maybe this will just all resolve itself and i think that's bad i don't want to be in this sort of complacent place of ah that's just government talking hot air again about internet they don't understand i wish there was a i don't know i wish there was a more entrenched leadership around these rules that perhaps maybe we'll get this and let's say we get this in 10 20 years those who grew up with their you know all their microsoft and novell certifications they understand the internet better than anybody because they grew up through it maybe those are the guys that will finally get in there and go okay here are the things we need to do and it's much simpler than we all thought but right now it just feels like a lot of people who don't understand it telling me once again something that's the same as they told me a year ago and nothing's going to happen you've got a bunch of companies who have uh an interest in stopping telecoms from doing anything that might charge them and you have another set of companies the telecoms who have an interest in stopping anyone from telling them they can do anything uh and that's really what's going on and you may side with one or the other that's fine but if anyone's telling you this is for your benefit they are lying to you yeah none of this is is meant for your benefit you may get benefits as a side effect but none of this is actually meant to benefit you and i keep hoping i've been hoping this for years maybe it's a false hope maybe it's a hope that will never awaken but i i keep hoping that this is going to get some some young creative people to create a way around all of this to decentralize the internet so that you can't so that net neutrality just becomes irrelevant that you you can't throttle that you can't block that we we stop consolidating the the power in the hands of these few companies yeah we do all kinds of stuff within the construct of data we we come up with ways of making text messaging seamob salete we come up with all kinds of ways to get around the what seemed like previous walls either artificial or real and i'm with you a hundred percent that's what i'm that's what the internet was the internet was a way to be like hey you know what we can we can actually communicate on this network that was meant for something else you know yeah that's the tradition of the internet i agree amazon wants to change how you look to yourself in a mirror well a virtual mirror anyway amazon is introduced the 200 dollar dollar echo look which had me excited from that alone but now i'll tell you why i'm not it adds a camera which is fine still into that the idea is to put it on your closet or near where you get dressed this is where they start to lose me they can tell the voice assistant there you can tell the voice assistant to take a picture or video and then see the image on your phone you can use the style check feature of the echo app or the echo look app specifically to get a style rating based on a combination of expert opinions and machine learning of course the device has off buttons for both the mic and the camera so it is not on all the time if you don't want it to be i am annoyed at the use case they are presenting with this you're probably going to give me a pretty good argument as to pretty good argument as to why they should start this way but i was really hoping for voice activated security style camera that could fit into my echo ecosystem in a way that would inform me when there are people at the door or when there's movement in the house or some other internet of things home automation sort of thing that wasn't about whether i'm styling on a friday night and you may still get that yeah i find it very interesting that amazon went with this as its first approach and amazon made a point of saying hey other features will be coming you'll be able to spy on your pets and and all of that eventually uh but picking fashion to start with i think is an attempt to identify the people who don't already like the amazon echo right people are like maybe i'm a little skeptical and saying hey here's here's here's something it might be good for that you might like and and maybe i don't know this but maybe people who are into clothing and fashion turn up in amazon's research is the people least likely to be interested in the echo so you make the device appeal to them so they'll get it then you add the features that are for security cameras and things like you because you already like the amazon echo ecosystem they don't need to convince you and they can add those those features down the line i think this is fascinating also don't forget that one of the things you can do uh when you check out your style is have amazon suggest other clothing that you can buy through amazon uh to increase your style so they're going to make money off you that way too yeah a big shocker there i i'm and i'm totally fine with that end of it in fact i'm fine with the entire ecosystem being a gateway to get things at amazon if i didn't like getting things at amazon i wouldn't have an echo in the first place probably but but uh you make a good point you said this earlier when we were talking pre-show i i do need i need to give it some time to see what it will it will become for people the original echo kind of came off the same way for me when it was first announced it's like all right well voice assistant i kind of have it on my phone i don't know why i'm needing this in the house and i found dozens of uses for it and they have not all they weren't all there at launch they've all come over time so i i i will hold out some faith um in part of this is just it's starting in an area that has zero interest to me and i will admit that so there's a bias in that direction for me but uh hope perhaps you and i should be using this yeah no i mean i'm starting to feel a little conscious subconscious about what i'm wearing today in fact with this camera looking at now stitchfix just started a men's program too so hey i don't know uh this one's just uh just worth a mention spotify has acquired media chain uh media chain operates an open source peer-to-peer database and protocol for registering identifying and tracking creative works on the net that alone will be useful for spotify one of spotify's problems for independent artists is making sure they know who owns what pieces of music and getting that money to them they had a whole lawsuit because they were having a hard time properly getting in touch with people uh but media chains also working towards using the blockchain to track media ownership uh that's not just about copy protection either that's also about saying okay you can clearly tell who is the owner because it's watermarked in the blockchain uh that's what the blockchain does it establishes things like ownership on properties so no matter what song you're playing in your spotify app it could have the mark that registers it through the blockchain as owning being owned by this person who then racks up the royalties now this is a case of me getting maybe overly excited about something that may not have end up affecting me at all clearly this is aimed at music that's what spotify that's their business yeah so that's where they intend to apply this uh but i feel like there are opportunities for let's say i don't know every couple of weeks something mine shows up on reddit or someone's blog for sale oh yeah created i'm like whoa he didn't get permission i have to ask him to pull it down or whatever and it's fine um and and sometimes no pr is bad pr and i understand the values your stuff just getting spurred around but people will crop out your name and not give you the credit or whatever this has the potential i think of a future where everything from mp3s and audio content to jpegs and pngs and file video or image file formats could have the same sort of blockchain like ownership tracking and watermarking or however you want to you know apply it i think that's really like this feels like one of those things tom that we were just talking about a problem on the internet or a problem in general that the that smart people on the internet figure out a way to get to and little did i know that maybe just maybe all of our conversations about bitcoin and blockchain all those many months ago and me slowly trying to understand it may actually lead to a very significant change in the world i inhabit as an illustrator and as a digital artist so this is very feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulder as i watched you finally get what blockchain could do yeah like weirdly this that took this and it's because media chain isn't going to do what you're talking about but you understanding what media chain could do for Spotify is the thing that unlocked you're like wait a minute what if somebody could use the blockchain for me to do that and there are people definitely working on that yeah i mean i'm not even talking about music here i i i have a tendency anyway to take stories to a place where my head is anyway but this in particular is a dawning moment of like oh so this could you that's i don't know if this will be the title of our show but this is the episode where scott gets blockchain i'm sure there'll be plenty of creative choices at the end of this i'm so excited you don't know how i how pleased i am no because that's it you're absolutely right i'm not i'm not you know trying to give you a hard time you're 100 right that is the thing that blockchain the people are working on blockchain for exactly those kind of things well let's hope the rest of the digital world benefits as well google maps will now remember where you parked your damn car well at least on its android ios apps this is actually very interesting to me android users tap the blue location dot once they've parked and select save your parking you can also add notes or take a picture of your space that you're in i do that now because that's how i do that a lot too because when i was in vegas i had to do this a lot anyway ios users don't even add or need to add to the tap the blue dot if the phone was connected to a car's bluetooth that's another added bonus as soon as it disconnects it will automatically tag the location this is great and i can't believe how long it took for this to become a thing it's like the life old just watch that old seinfeld episode where they can't find their car and they're hefting around a air conditioner through that mall parking lot of the entire episode i don't know if this works on multi levels i'm very curious about oh yeah yeah good point which is why they probably put the picture thing in there so you can take a picture of the big three or four on the pillar near you because i yeah i do i do that too and the android version of this can do a meter countdown so if you're at a meter you can plug in like how many minutes are on the meter and it'll alert you that your meter's running out which is kind of that's pretty cool yeah i guess satellites they can't i was just thinking they know like straight down that's where your park but they don't know that you're straight down and i know google maps can do some multi-level stuff like for malls and things using beacon type technology i don't know if that works for parking all right well never get lost again people this is your chance to park wherever the hell you want and your phone's going to know right where you're at this one came from our subreddit tech dirt reports that a letter from us senator ron widen to the committee on rules and administration the senate committee on rules and administration points out that quote most senate staff id cards have a photo of a chip printed on them rather than a real chip what they just took a picture of a smart chip and put it on the senate id cards okay for the staff senator widen also points out that the senate does not offer two-factor authentication for its accounts whereas the white house staff have something called personal identity verification piv cards with actual chips in them which are then used as second-factor authentication with logging into computers okay i i understand that's one thing it's one thing to look at the senate and say you know oh you don't have chips on your cards and you know the executive branch does that that that's a good thing maybe you should look at and you should you should do that it's another thing that they went to the trouble of pretending that they had chips that is entirely my problem here it's fine that they're behind it's like okay that wing of government has not gotten around to it or or they haven't allocated the funds for this transition or whatever it is if i get it but to go well in the meantime let's pretend we have chips in these if anyone looks then yeah that's like making i don't know that's like making a fake idea to get beer when you're 18 it's just weird it's not even going to get you beer right it doesn't do anything it's not going to get you anything it's really dumb that's really i mean my only thought was that someone figured oh well maybe this will stop people from thinking we don't have chips and it will deter them from trying to break in to it oh interesting so this could be a security by obscurity or a security by assumptions going on which i know there's some there's theories that that actually can work it's like having i don't know uh it's like having a fake gun in your purse or something and that will deter a robber who sees your fake gun yeah i understand that but now they're not going to be able to do it now they're going to probably think even real chips later are fake chips because they thank you senator whiten for exposing it's real hard and by the way thanks to cap and kipper for for submitting that as well if you folks want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes uh you gots to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com or get it on your amazon echo or on the anchor app it's in all of those places and you can put it in whatever podcast app you want dailytechheadlines.com all righty let's move on to our discussion story first of all twitter earnings came out uh and they were good earnings of 11 cents a share on revenue of five hundred 48 million dollars uh that is 10 cents a share more than analysts expected and 36 million dollars more revenue than analysts expected now revenue still fell year over year eight percent it just didn't fall as far as the analysts expected so twitter's making less money they're data licensing revenue grew but they're advertising revenue declined so that's where they're they're losing but they're they're hoping to bring that back but they also have been fighting this perception that they can't get users and monthly active users rose nine million over last quarter to 328 million so before we get to the main discussion about twitter here that's all i mean yeah you don't you want the revenue to fall but otherwise it's all pretty good news yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna actually do a little arm share quarterbacking here on why the nine million happened yeah and why it seemingly sort of out of nowhere or contrary are you gonna rip it from today's headlines because i guess i'm guessing but yeah it's the same reason people say new york time subscriptions are up it's the same people okay that are always saying well all these all these different news sources that were dying on the vine because the internet was killing them suddenly subscriptions are up but what's going on well there's a sudden and inexplicable interest in world events yes and and you if you want to go to the places where some of those events are actually finding seed like the places they begin twitter's one of them yeah no i i've seen several outlets say you know president trump using twitter as his outlet to say things is certainly not hurting twitter oh yeah absolutely not like if you found out the only way to hear from i don't know if bono was only going to put stuff on minidisc and that's the only way you're ever going to get you to music again you don't buy minidisc players so it's a weird comparison i say Beyonce let's say Beyonce okay Beyonce i'm reaching way back into the more lucrative 80s and 90s for youtube sure but anyway yeah like of course like those things i think are all all at least somewhat correlated and and it's i think it's good i don't see this is a is a bad thing for all of this to be happening and certainly in twitter's case it helps that perception go away that they have a hard time attracting new people i don't know if that is a a number they'd like like what's their optimal number per year or quarter i don't know but that seems they just want to keep going up is what they want they want to start getting into that 700 million conversation like instagram uh that that's where they want to be they want to be comparable to facebook maybe not bigger than that that may be too much but they want they want to be in that ballpark now one of the ways they're talking about getting that is video we all know that they've been trying to sign all these live streaming video deals they had the nfl last year this year it got too expensive for them and went to amazon uh but my position has been what twitter's trying to do is just fill it with video they don't need to spend money on the nfl that was meant to get you to think of twitter as a place for video but they're getting video from other places live video from other places and they have periscope and we've heard those rumors about periscope providing a more constant stream of video well twitter coo and cfo anthony noto told buzzfeed news that twitter plans to stream video 24 hours a day seven days a week they're going to have original content covering news sports entertainment now noto said they need some time to ramp this up they have many many things to look at uh so there's no date on it but twitter is expected to announce original shows at the new fronts next week new fronts there there's this old thing called the up fronts where your broadcast networks come and your cable networks and tell advertisers these are the shows we're putting out this year and try to get upfront orders of advertising new fronts are what online companies do to just sort of announce hey this this is what we're bringing for the rest of the year if you guys are interested in buying advertising with this and it looks like twitter is going to get into that by announcing original shows now hopefully i can articulate this in a well a way that makes sense and i have to think others are thinking about this too but when you think about twitter you think about brevity you think about 140 character limits you think about breaking news reactionary kinds of conversations that's what the platform does best and it's great at doing that and some see that some see only the negative side of what that brings i see both sides of it i think there's a lot of positive that happens with a format or a platform that is all about immediacy and quickness but consuming linear content whether live or not original programming or not is something that takes a focus and a kind of time that isn't very twitter like to me now saying that i know that people will all gather around game of thrones on a sunday night and they will live tweet their reactions and talk about what they're seeing and there's a big opportunity there maybe but i'm trying to understand how it would be if there was a say 40 minute drama this is an example on well but but go back to what he said news sports and entertainment so original show doesn't mean game of thrones true show could be a newscast it could be like a vice media thing uh original show could be you know bill o'reilly he ain't doing nothing now right uh you know it could be an hour long hosted anchored position where they go to various periscope streams as things happen around the world original show doesn't mean a scripted drama and i would be surprised if twitter brought a scripted drama but uh i think when you think about it that way the idea of tuning into twitter and they're always telling you here's what's going on based on the things trending on twitter that you can see people talking about it really does fit into the way a lot of people use twitter well for me this that that kind of sums up my prediction whatever this original programming means and whatever the term entertainment means outside of the the sports and the news stuff i'm assuming celebrity gossip sure oscar red carpets those sorts of right the things that again twitter already does well with what it already does that makes a lot of sense to me the question the bigger question is will that be meaningful in other words if i've got a news program that's on let's say it's a 20 minute news program that's very interactive even taking live twitter questions or something or whatever it is uh will that will that lead to anything beneficial for me as somebody who likes to consume that stuff will i prefer just to watch it and hear it or will i want to pay attention to this big weird feed next to it am i getting this on an app on a roku am i only watching this on my phone like there's a lot of twitter here's a twitter has and what they want this is my opinion they have you right now when something's going on a lot of you turn to twitter and you don't think about is it on my tv isn't on my phone you just grab your whatever your laptop your phone and you look at twitter like what what's going on with that thing that's happening and often the thing is covered first on twitter because people that are there are talking about it now imagine if suddenly you're not only turning to twitter to read what people are saying but you are also getting a video stream live via periscope or some original coverage uh that goes right next to it so you're reading what people are saying about it but you're also seeing it from a twitter provided video stream yeah i think you're i think that that's probably right and you say it's your theory but it feels that feels like the natural progression this is that is who twitter already is so if you're going to get into video content i guess i didn't understand their weird little test here recently with the mlb stuff and you know little bits and things that would show up at the top of a twitter thing and say do you want to watch this and if you said you'd never see it again there was no dedicated place for it yeah yeah yeah i feel like that's them testing the waters seeing who's interested if there's if their system can handle it all of that yeah so i i guess i i guess i'm i am there is a weird i got two demons in me one of them is is saying this is ridiculous why they care about tv not every not every media company or not every internet company needs to have a tv plan but part of me says well maybe they do maybe i'm underestimating the future of video i think i've already underestimated it up till now and i'd love where we're at so i would like to stop doing that i would like to yeah you know a more accurate view of what the future is going to be and maybe twitter's a way bigger part of my consumption than i think they're gonna because facebook wants this exact same thing they both want are like we're the place you go to find out what's going on we know you're especially the younger demographic is super tired of the 24-7 news channels so let's let's provide you the alternative to that i wonder why it doesn't sound so strange to hear facebook's doing it but sounds so much stranger to hear twitter's doing it because you don't think facebook is in so many different things now you don't think of facebook as as just the place to find social posts right people are using it for so many more things twitter hasn't ventured beyond the basic 140 character tweet with any success i think that's it maybe we all people even forget periscope as part of twitter what if they had to limit the original programming to 140 seconds ah vine vine is back oh yeah right hey uh thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories you vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com get in there and see what's up there's some good stories over there real quickly messages of the day matt thank you for writing in matt is an undergraduate research student at the university of texas at el paso one of the projects he's working on revolves around neuromorphic computing and deep reinforcement learning he says it's cpu's crunching out data in algorithmically or in sequence that you think of but that is a 2016 way of thinking what if a computer no longer needs a cpu rather can do computations on the devices sensors this is the basis of neuromorphic processing information is fed to a million brain-like neurons on a chip then that chip fans out all that information simultaneously not algorithmically all while requiring very little power no more than what a common desktop class chip needs in essence these processes are done not sequentially but in parallel much like the human brain processing vast amounts of information at exactly the same time this means that not only will our fundamental understanding of computers and computational architecture change but information processing may happen so quick that if an autonomous vehicle were faced with a flawed human driver it may be able to process act and evade a collision all together before it even faces the trolley problem of course that's not an answer to the trolley problem to say like it'll never face the trolley problem that's just eliminating the trolley problem but it has a better chance of doing that intel has unveiled its true north processors which use neuromorphic computing and qualcomm is expected to release a snapdragon processor next year taking advantage of neuromorphic computing as well matt also says p s tom thank you for doing this show if it wasn't for dts i may have switched majors a long time ago and missed out on some very cool things it sounds like you're working on some of the coolest things for sure also i'm counting on these cars having better brains like honestly my my ability to be totally willing to embrace our automated car future is based entirely on us nailing that part so i'm with him a hundred percent and he does sound like he's doing some rad stuff so well done tom you kept him from being a a vet or whatever and then ken wrote in says he's been listening to me since the early buzz out loud days proud patreon and sometimes he would like to hear our thoughts on something like this so here you go ken you're getting your wish he points to a class action suit proposed on behalf of 74 000 coca-cola employees after one technician had his identity stolen due to unprotected information on a stolen corporate laptop the judge said coca-cola advised employees of the files maintained on them collected only the data related to the purpose for the files and allowed only authorized employees to use the files for company purposes so coke having a laptop stolen is not coke violating your privacy ken continues this is becoming a very common theme there is no obligation to protect your privacy you will note in the case above that the judge pointed out three specific safeguards none of which are even a safeguard according to ken like the ad agencies that take no responsibility for what goes off their servers if no company has a responsibility to protect our privacy then i think that more and more people will take this into their own hands and if on top of their lack of privacy protection they try to weaken or remove encryption which will of course cause even more consumer harm then folks are just going to end around all these things and they really will go dark uh so he's basically saying look if nobody protects your privacy you're just going to drop off the grid and i think for some people that's definitely what they will do sure i already have some of it for sure i mean it's easy to look at a company and say you have a fiduciary responsibility to me and fellow employees when we work here to take care of who we are and what we do and yeah part of that is not letting our data out there but also i kind of see the coke standpoint on this they didn't ask someone to steal that laptop they're not doing something that's inherently dangerous with the data before it got stolen are there better ways to do this probably but but that's a separate i feel like that's a separate argument versus the one that's you and i with our our privacy data being stored on as an employee you would like to think that your company is going to do everything it can to protect your data and so leave it you know the question is are those safeguards appropriate and is it the law's place to say whether they are or not uh that is a legal question and and like you say i think there are some good arguments for corporation to say hey you know what we're not in the business of this if you don't like it go work somewhere else that's easier said than done for a lot of people a lot of people don't have an easy opportunity to go find another job and so i think maybe there is need for some update about what we should what we all as a society should do when we're given someone else's private data and what our responsibilities are on it i think that is a discussion that should definitely be had uh because yeah uh maybe coke isn't responsible for someone stealing their laptop but my gosh coke should have taken better encryption precautions just in case that laptop got stolen if not for the sake of the employee's information for the sake of any other confidential information that might have been on it yeah i i totally like the secret formula for example but i totally agree with that but let's if you were back in the let's say the 30s i don't know when coke started but let's say it's 1932 in the 1800s so yeah so if it's that old let's say in the 30s uh they're keeping all their employee information on ledgers and let's say somebody came and stole the ledger isn't this the same exact case the only difference is now we have here's the question yeah okay somebody stole the ledger that's not coke's fault did coke leave the ledger out on the sidewalk in front of in front of the building that could be negligence yeah that's a good point did coke have it behind a locked door that they felt was pretty secure then you know well maybe that's not their fault then so yeah it's about what is the standard of negligence regarding your personal information yeah and i guess in the in the modern context it's just so easy now to say well it's data therefore it's it's different and you should have protected it more but maybe they would have done all they could have hear that they would have done in 1930 or in 1899 or whatever like i that context has to at least be part of the argument all of that being said i would prefer all major multi-billion multinational companies have better security than than a lot of them have now because all companies i don't care how big or small they are should probably have security as a priority yeah no matter who you are you should but they have all of us should for sure if you're a mom and pop store that owns a dry cleaning company i kind of understand if maybe you're not all the way up to par but if you're coca-cola come on let's make it easy for everybody i guess that's my point hey thank you scott johnson for joining us what do you got going on to tell folks about well the pleasure is always mine um the big news is tomorrow you're going to be at the doctor so i and justin robert young will be hosting the show 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the stuff and they're owned by paypal right this is part of the paypal earnings yeah in fact paypal just posted the link about it and said they continue to transform how millennials manage and engage with their money it's so funny because venmo and paypal are essentially the same but it's it's a branding of how you want to send money around and there's a featured there's some feature differences too you're totally right though mostly because because i can go into an app and i can send you money through paypal even if you don't have a paypal account i can go into venmo i can send you money through venmo even if you don't have a venmo account but there's a difference i ask yeah it's earnings season we're gonna get uh i'm sorry that i i dumped you guys with microsoft google and amazon tomorrow oh that sounds fine yeah it gives us plenty to pick from you're gonna have some fun talk about EBITDA all night well watch you guys just get like super financial wonky tomorrow well i believe that uh derivatives are poor way to um pay out investors if you amortize google justin well how long are you talking about here are you talking about your five to ten year cap or you know something longer maybe a 30 50 year reach you can't call sarge brinn zeppelin a capital expenditure you just can't do you hear about that though sarge brinn uh is apparently working on an airship a secret airship really yeah it's like a big like a air like a hot air like a like a blimp yeah like a zeppelin particularly like a blimp zeppelin is not a blimp well zeppelin is very specific then because that's why i'm using the word zeppelin because that appears to be what he's working on that's not a blimp totally in that sounds great brinn zeppelin because uh i got to talk to you by a blimp captain about the terminology yeah well airship ventures uh which operated out of moffitt field wow somebody's real excited about zeppelin like airship the blooms let me see airship ventures was a zeppelin because that they have the rigid structure was the one that we're harrison ford through the nazi guard out of this is this is zeppelin that was a zeppelin okay blimps have no rigid structure zeppelins do if i believe i had that yeah they had it i had like a xo or uh some sort of it has a as an entire skeleton in it but you there's an in between and i think that's what i i lament that we never had that weird post 20s uh era of airships everywhere in the sky i just think that is so kind of did well undermind really expensive to to travel on undermind says that nasa airship hangars uh that that google bought the nasa airship hangars i don't think they bought them i think they leased them uh but yeah but but essentially you're right now google google sergibrain is allegedly using one of the google leased hangars at nasa at at moffitt field and aims research center to go all steampunk on us oh man oh no the uh the hinderberg was a rigid airship yeah hinderberg is a zeppelin that means there's just a framework to hold the bags but the gas still fills out the envelope and the blimp has no rigid t yeah but they're all dirigibles so we'll just use that term yeah dirigible well no if i if i know it's actually a zeppelin then i should well we don't know what it is because he hasn't revealed it no yeah i know we don't know it's a dirigible either no the dirigible the source the source that's telling you he's working on something is saying it's a zeppelin are they all okay just airship i like that but we're gonna continue this tomorrow tom without you like if the source is telling you it's a zeppelin why would you back off and say well maybe it's just an airship i'll say i'll say zeppelin i like zeppelin it's not a lead zeppelin no those are bad they just crash they never take off actually they're too heavy they got a whole lot of love though oh i mean you shouldn't say you know what he's working on there's no speed to those things right aren't they kind of i mean real slow yeah they're all real slow because they all feel like talk to them bad things like you'd shoot one out of the sky too easy or something oh so this is a great thing at least with blimps the the the envelope the gas in there is not under pressure so if you tear a opening in one it'll take like three days for it to descend to the ground yeah and the captain was telling me it's like they were flying from think from the bay area to scott's deli or zone and that would take like a little under a week like three to four days really half a week yeah oh it sucks i'm just good let's get on a plane surgae brin should make a plane actually no maybe it was three days i think it's maybe three days it makes sense to me that he's working on a zeppelin and here's why airship ventures operated zeppelins as a tour service around the bay area out of aims out of moffitt field for several years and i'm betting you he took one of those and is modifying it okay that would that would be because they went out of business and that would be the easy thing to do because it was already there at moffitt field that's where it was docked and and so he could just take one of those and be like oh i'm gonna make my modified zeppelini thing whatever it is well zeppelini thing now we have the term yes that covers everything it's sort of zeppelin zeppelin ish so while page is backing flying cars some of which do not appear to be cars but they do fly planes yeah planes that's what we call them planes making making airships well i mean silicon valley does have a lot of hot air okay i believe i believe oh what if he's like making the ultimate party boat you know like you have those parties yeah like you just get instant you know that was what airship ventures was trying to sell was like get on a zeppelin with your with your group and we'll just fly over on the weekend and you can't you can't cram enough people that the same way you can put them on a boat that's what it brings like the he didn't do it right let me figure that let me figure out how to maximize party potential on my zeppelin i will meet you know and the great thing is you can actually build it into the envelope if it is indeed a rigid structure because then you can put the gas and separate bags alongside you get the gas bags inside yeah gas bags outside ah see make sure the windows are bolted shut so people get really wasted don't fall out like they do on the cable car ones all right on that macabre note we are done thank you for watching enjoy scott and justin tomorrow i hope you all have a pleasant time i will be at the doctor yes so this is just a checkup or something