 Okay, so as we've been announcing today we'll take some time to just ask some questions from based on your reports, right, so that each of you can just respond. So it's not going to be a long-drawn discussion like I said, maybe one question or maybe two, maybe a follow-up question for each one of you who's here. Let me see, we have about 10 people here, so yeah, so that's what we're gonna do. I've been through some of the reports, not all, but yeah, so let's anyway, we'll just go ahead. Okay, so this is what we're going to do. I'm just going to ask a question and you can, I'd like you to respond very briefly and to the point and then we'll move forward, right, okay. Okay, so first name is Abhishek Mitra here. Okay, let me see. Abhishek Mitra is not there. Okay, so probably Abhinav, if you can, yeah, if you can respond. The question, yeah, so you actually wrote about unemployment, right, unemployment in churches, unemployment among the youth and the effect of that, the outcome of that. So the question is, you know, can you give some examples of churches, like in your research, that are already involved in, you know, facing this challenge of elevating unemployment, maybe in the Christian circles or maybe in secular circles. So if you can share about their work, yeah. Passer actually, yeah, everybody in my city, I don't think so, I don't think so like even one church involved in this ministry, yeah, they're helping, they're helping like in a random, they go to the colonies and slums area, they just help, but it's not like proper planning. So, yeah, so, particularly with unemployment, like what areas do they help? Maybe it could be one thing, you know, you've listed a lot of things that the church could, but maybe if it's, even if it's one thing that they're doing and like what kind of a church it is and so on, that will give us some insight, yeah. I'm sorry, Pastor, I don't know, I think your voice, I don't have money, it's breaking your voice actually. Okay, okay, let me just repeat that question. So, you know, even if you can list one thing, one or two things, like you have actually given a lot of things that the church can do. So even if it's one or two things that churches in your state or in that city, Rurkela, if they're involved in, if you can share that, that will help, yeah. Pastor, for me, what I have seen is in the places, I think education system and it's most important because in office, what happens is they just do study, get education, but they don't have any purpose. It's like a single one and another they don't. So one thing is I would say it's an education system, like in a proper way. If they are doing, if they are studying, if they're taking some stream or it could be a subject. So it has to be for the player so that what they, so what they can understand. And the second thing would be... Sorry to interrupt, sorry to interrupt, Abinas. No, I'm not generally asking about what can be done. But I just wanted to know about any church which is doing any one of those things. You had listed down actually 10 or 12 things. So any one of those things, if any of the churches in your, you know, in your city, I'm sure they must be doing at least, you know, to some extent. So I just wanted to know what it is and how they're doing. Okay. Yeah. Okay, pastor. So it's basically helping people, pastor, like, so we can find more of the poverty in the places. So basically giving them food, it will be rice or anything. Just helping them, helping them in the poverty. Okay. Okay. Right, Abinas. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Okay, I think we have... Okay, Chris, would you like to go next? Chris, just wanted to know, Ramiu. See, so the interesting topic about, you know, drinking alcohol that's prevalent, you know, among the Christian community, you've actually done a fair, you know, research on that. So I just wanted to know, like, what, you know, from all these respondents, what role models or messages have the respondents been exposed to, you know, when it comes to alcohol? I say role models or messages from the church, you know, from the Christian community, from the church. What kind of role models or messages have they been exposed to? Because from all the responses I see that most do not seem to have a like a biblical understanding, right? So I don't know, I'm just assuming from what I read through. So what kind of messages have they been able to, you know, find that? What kind of messages or what kind of role models have they had in the church? You mean a specific person? Basically, you know, generally, sorry, generally, when you look at these respondents? Yeah, so I think at a high level, the way they address this question about, you know, how alcohol would impact their life as a believer. That question, the response was very kind of, I would say, they were very sort of, you know, I would say some of them are quite argumentative that, you know, that they have, you know, that they are against God's wishes, against the Bible. Some of them even said that, you know, that, you know, it's a big sin. Coming back to your role model, I would think that there was one example of a person who actually talked about alcoholism or the use of alcohol in in in accessible amounts, where he felt that there was an evil spirit. And what he did was he actually went and got, you know, deliverance done in the church. And that miss basically made him, you know, give up alcohol completely. So that was, I think, that was, I think, one example. I think one of the things is that, you know, the giving up of alcohol, at least what I mean with messages that I got from the responses was that sometimes it is a lot more easier in a sense that, you know, in a church environment in getting getting guidance from from from people in the church, and also trying to, you know, live a better Christian life. It was easier. But in some cases, some in some cases, I think they were they were it was a little more extreme. And that is where they were, they would they would want me to get get get help. And there was one person out of the out of the 45 responses who actually had had to, you know, get counseled and also get hospitalized. So I think that was that was one of the extreme cases. Okay, this one last thing. So what in your opinion, after collecting this and you know, forming a conclusion based on this, so in your opinion, should the church step up its effort to talk about this more openly, you know, of course, we're talking about an Indian context, again, to talk about this, because, you know, everywhere, the message is that everywhere you see social media, everything, the images and the message that goes with it is that it's, it's fine, you know, when I'm contracting is fine, if it's in moderation, without the underlying, you know, seriousness of it being an open door, it can very quickly escalate to drunkenness and so on. So, so do you think churches should do it? And in also in what way, you know, do you think it'll be accepted? In what way should the message go up? I mean, again, I would think it is, you know, it's also in context to you know, what what the, you know, the individual is doing. If he's, you know, obviously, you know, very, you know, involved in church activities, then, you know, he will feel more compelled to, you know, to give it up. And I'm just addressing your earlier point, you know, which is why, you know, they realize that, you know, there are some, you know, inherent dangers and risk involved. So, but if the person is not, you know, that involved, and, you know, he's not in, you know, then that, you know, that combined that need to, to give up modern drinking will not be there. To your point about the church, I would definitely think that that they've had, they should reach out, you know, because it is a, you know, it is a social, I would say in some way, in some ways, it's an illness, actually. So, you know, particularly, you know, excessive use of alcohol. So I'm sure that I'm sorry, sorry, Chris, just a quick thing, like, so in what way, you know, the thing is having interacted with these respondents, and I mean, their relationship with church, et cetera. So in what way should the message go out, you know, in what way is, will it be in the sense of what methodology is it should be pulpit, should it be, you know, like a close group support group kind of a thing. What way do you think will be the most effective? Yeah. So I think that it'll be a combination of pulpit, and it may not be just alcohol, it could be alcohol, it could be, you know, you know, any, any, any other sort of intoxicant drugs or whatever, or even, you know, things like, you know, any, any habit forming things like, you know, pornography and stuff like that. So I think they should be definitely a pulpit message. And then maybe a weekend, you know, school, but then again, you know, in the Indian context, sometimes people may not want to come for that, you know, because, you know, it's not something that people may want to, you know, be make make. So I think it's, it's, it'll be a, it'll have to be a combination of a pulpit, which is the general sort of, you know, sort of umbrella kind of message. And then maybe some kind of, you know, like, like a questionnaire that I sent out, sent out to the church, people and people who can respond and who may want to have, get help, can respond back and, you know, with clearly, you know, that they, I mean, the message will have to be clear that, you know, that that responses will be treated in very confidential, confidentiality. And action will be done, you know, one to one, you know, in the sense that they will, they will be approached by the by a senior person in the church, and, you know, they, you know, any help that is required will be will be then planned out. Extended. Thanks, Chris. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, so Prabhakar Rao, Prabhakar, you'll go next. So it's a very, very detailed study on persecution, and, you know, those, it is good to read through. So I just wanted to know, you know, in all these cases of persecution, you know, I'm just, I'm just asking this, is the, is the church, the Christian community guilty of, you know, sometimes behaving in probably unethical, unscriptural ways, and therefore facing the consequence, consequences of it, you know, as persecution, you know, as a, as a, you know, and in, in, in response to that, or a reaction to that. So that is the, that is my first question, you know, so in all your study, in all your research, did you find any data, any information of the church in its methods, you know, in its zeal, come across or to, you know, in the zeal for the Great Commission and zeal, in indulging in ways that were unethical or unscriptural, or, you know, some, some form that would result in these consequence of this, you know, persecution. Yeah, Prabhakar. Yeah, thank you, Pastor, for the opportunity. Yes, persecution as it is biblical, and it has to be, you know, come and it has been a long history about the unethical ways, where some of the Christians come across is one of the reasons as I research, as I found was, some of the, some of the creatures some of the people who are very money oriented, and they did because most of the non believers raise their voice against Christian, because they said they convert non believers to Christians with power, money, or some other stuff, and giving them bribe or indulging in so-called science and wonders or doing fake healing things and all that. So that was one of the reasons which I found that many of the, many of the churches where they were like the pastors where they want to show off their skills, or most of the times, the unethical in their approach towards the ministry, and some of them offer money and some of them offer gimmicks and acts and all that. So which showed other, you know, community that they are doing some kind of fraud things. And also, many of the people are like attracted towards, towards their gimmicks and all that, but not towards the word of God. So this started attacking. And they are thinking that all the Christians were like that, and all the people who, you know, accepted Jesus as their personal savior, they are not accepted, but they are accepted because of the bribe or because of any other luxurious items they receive, maybe, you know, kind of a reservation, benefits and perks and government jobs and foreign funds and etc, etc. So, so these are one of the things which I found out. And due to which many most of the, you know, the churches, especially in the rural areas, have been affected badly. And all of the, you know, organizations such as VHP, Bajrang Dal Sipsena and all the things and all other where, and new, new, new groups are also, you know, coming out and vandalizing the churches and beating the pastors. And, you know, they are not saying, sorry, you're saying something. Yeah, that's fine. I think you answer the question. That's fine. So, so what percentage of this is, you know, in the total picture, what percentage of that would be this kind of methods? Or the persecution because of this, you know, what percentage of that? What percentage of persecution to the Yeah, or the features is possible. No, no, what persecution to the Christian community, right? It's what, what, what somebody could have done somewhere also, you know, it's generalized and it's done everywhere. So what percentage, what would be the, you know, rough estimate of, in all your research, you know, what percentage of persecution would be because of these causes? Of course, it's an estimate, but just like to know. Yeah, it is an estimate possible, but mostly as for the current scenario, which I've been researching for the past two to three months, I've seen most of the cases when when the accusers were asked why they are persecuting to they're saying that we are right back on words and they are doing this. Yeah, but is, yeah, I'm sorry, my question is, so that is the alleged reason, but I just want to know like, were you able to find out if, you know, yeah, with the data that what, what percentage of persecution was due to these kind of reasons? From like 2016 onwards, I think 90 plus percent from from 2016 onwards till today, 90% more than 90% of the cases because of these issues have been created and it has been generalized without no matter of the denominations and all that. The persecution has been generalized. And it is one of the agenda and the hidden agenda is something else, but I think 90% of the persecution is because of this kind of things. So these are the reasons that they are that that is being stated for the persecution. Is that what you're saying? Yes, pastor. That is one of the one of the, you know, presentable accusation towards Christianity, but the hidden agenda is Hindu Ras. They want to create a Hindu Ras. They want to make India Hindu Ras. That is the hidden agenda. But they are showing it as a like Christians, you know, converting. Okay. Right. Thank you. Thanks, Prabhakar. Okay. I just want to ask Rose, since you're here, Rose, so you did a survey. So yeah, on presence, right? So globally. So you use the term spiritual morale. So could you just define that? Hi, my friend. Hi, good morning. Yeah, so spiritual morale is I understand is a pretty broad state, pretty broad description. But I think what I was wanting to look for was just the if I could use another term there, how how their spirits are like how if they're like, maybe in low spirits or high spirits or spiritual morale, in the sense of how they are connected to a to God or a higher being in that sense. So yeah. Oh, that was what I was trying to yeah. Yeah, I was just trying to find out whether it's referring to the emotional state, you know, whether they are depressed, whether they are motivated, inspired more when more on affiliation with religion, faster. So it need not be a church or a Christianity, it could be any. Yes. Okay. And there and the prisoners, one thing to connect to a higher being present. Yeah, I see. Okay. So yeah, so my question is, you know, any recommendations you presented a lot of data and what was happening in the church. So what would you recommend to, let's say, a ministry or a church who wants to make a difference in in a in a particular, you know, prison? So what would you recommend based on the data? Yeah. Yeah. So I guess I'm different as what I've written their pastor, the the the religious, the religion state or the choice of religion, the prisons, the prisoners will have will be as good as who will be those who will minister to them. So for example, in the case of Japan, which is mainly a Buddhist or Shinto country. So naturally, the prisoners would be taught Buddhism or Shinto for other more developed countries which are in the USA or other countries in Europe, wherein Protestant ministers or Catholic ministers, you know, give serve in their prisons. Right. Yeah, I got that. Sorry. Sorry, I got that. But as a church, as a, you know, like as a presentation of truth as a speaker of truth, you know, of of the truth and hope, you know, what would you recommend across these kind of, I think, prisons? Yeah, so if it were a Christian minister, pastor, maybe the longevity of their service and the, you know, just reaching out more and just being persevering in, in what they do for the prisoners. And I also in my recommendation, I also wrote that it would be good to have a follow up if these prisoners get reintegrated into society, that the ministers in charge of, you know, like mentoring them or teaching them the basics, if they could also have an outreach in the community for these prisoners who are set free, if ever they get out in the community. Okay. Wait, Rose, thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Okay, who else would like to go next? Here, I ask, I'm just going based on what I've gone through, read through, right? Yeah, so I just want to ask Mr. Rupa. Yeah, so I just want to ask a couple of questions. First one is this. See, is the open home way of hospitality, right? That you very, I'll be recommend hospitality and, you know, you said it's, it's way of showing love for the stranger, like that's the Greek, you mentioned that. So is it the only way? Or is it for a select you who are called to this way of expression of hospitality? What do you think? Sir, good morning, sir. Good morning, yeah. I don't, I don't say it is the only way. And also that what now, and the extent of hospitality we extend through open homes for each family, I believe it's different. According to the circumstances and the leading of the spirit, it's different, sir, I believe that. But we need to have an open heart, a heart and a home, so that when the need arises, we are ready to minister. That's what I wanted to convey and also the need for it. I see, okay. So, um, so ask certain people, so my question is, you know, are certain people, um, you know, so the reason I asked, you know, are called in a sense, are certain people more given to that by nature of whatever, you know, life experience, maybe some people are private and so on. So, so that's my question, you know, so is it for some, because we know that we all have a, you know, different callings. And because of which we are, you know, placed in different ways in the body, like even while ministering to the body, like one has a gift and leadership and what we see in, you know, Romans 12 and other passages. So you think, you know, just like leadership and compassion and giving that one would be more endowed to express this and therefore can be called to, you know, this open home kind of ministry. That's what I, some are given into more, but I think every believer has to have that to certain extent, because we don't know when the Lord leads someone into our place where we need to minister to them. We need to know at least that remember to show hospitality. It is not directed to any one person, but as a body of Christ to each believer, I said, even today, when God said, when you have come out of Egypt, please accept strangers as part of your household. So it's not to some, but to everyone here's remember those days you were in Egypt. So, well, I'd led through some of the accounts, right? So it especially your personal account very inspiring. So it seems that, you know, it goes way beyond hospitality and it goes into an area where we would call, you know, rehabilitation, right? So, yeah, what would you say to that? You know, so let's say some are called to hospitality, you know, and also I do also talks about, you know, well, going and sending, you know, there were churches which went and people who would go also. So, yeah, in that sense, I just wanted to know, you know, because what you have done personally and, you know, some of the things is way beyond hospitality, I would say it is rehabilitation. So just wanted to know about that. Sir, that's what I, in the beginning it said, I said for each one it is different. For some, we are called to do more, but I think everyone should have that heart to open up. Maybe a small stay, a night stay or maybe hours, but we are willing to let go of our, let's see, laying down or giving that time to that person while he's going through depression. We have a, we have a day planned out, but when you see something very serious and you need to address it, you should have a heart to reach out. Right. Don't everybody should take people into their homes and go through. Each one is given different capacity and ability and calling and anointing, I believe, but everyone can do it because in the coming days, I believe we need to take people in because, because of the persecution increasing, because of the people coming from other face, I have seen people really homeless and clueless, lost in the world, really lonely and depressed. So that's what led me to write this. Right. So yeah, so again the issue of, you know, I won't say issue of the challenge of being equipped because when it goes into the area of rehabilitation, one should be equipped to handle it correctly. Yes. So that was my intent of my question. So yeah, so just one last question. Now, this is actually about, you know, in a family unit, there are children, various age groups. So, you know, children are easily impressionable and, you know, and so on. So how does one prepare them? You know, suppose you're taking on a person of, you know, maybe loose model character, you know, you gave that example of someone from an LGBT community coming in and being part of that, you know, household and so on. Are you narrating, you know, that particular instance? So, you know, how does one prepare one's children who could be young, impressionable, you know, at the same, you want to give freedom to the children to be as they are, but at the same time, you know, how does one prepare them, you know, and in your own case or, you know, and others who have open home ministry. So how does one prepare children for this kind of a challenge? I think from the beginning, Seth, when we meet as a family, it's a, it is more, leave doubt, they come out with questions, we answer them, and we also have a responsibility to guard them against this. We take time to teach them and warn them about certain things, and also when people from other, like this LGBT, it's about a book I have read which has really impressed and I have written about that book, what has happened in that place. But we can take precautions of not letting them spend time, like, personally with them without, as a present in that scenario. And also, yeah. Yeah, probably you can just mention the title of the book for those of us who are interested, we could, you know, read that title and the author. You can put it on the chat. Chat, yes sir. I have already written, I'll put it on the chat. But too many things sir, I didn't have time to mention all that. I'll just write those two things which really impressed me, so I'll do that. Thank you sir. Yeah, this particular book and the author, I think it said some open house or something. Yeah, so you can just mention that. House key to the, yeah. The Gospel comes with the house key. House key, that's right. You mentioned that, so we could read that, thank you. Yeah, okay. Thank you. So next, Wells, I had time to just go through a few, so that's why I'm just taking time, please excuse me. Okay, so Kennedy is here. So Kennedy, a question to you is, you wrote about burnouts, so I saw that. So I just want, you know, if you can give us based on the, you know, the research, if you can give us some inputs on how to prevent burnouts. I know it's a very broad scope. So how does a Christian leader prevent burnout? Maybe just two things you can mention, and then I'll ask a follow-up question. Two things, two primary things that we should put in place in order to prevent burnouts. Yeah, Kennedy. Yeah. Am I on the way? Yes, you are, but there's some kind of an echo when you speak. I think the first thing is to have some kind of openness and encourage small groupings, where people can reach out to each other. Secondly, is to have personal interaction amongst the leaders, top leaders, like your peers, you know, you need to last with them and seek some professional guidance. Because like when you went through our studies or through my program, I discovered that people keep so many things amongst themselves. They don't even discuss with their colleagues. They don't share anything. They're just suffering in silence. And it leaves a lot of discouragement, fear, anxiety, and even loss of concentration. So there's the issue of having exercises, interacting with their peers, doing, participating community, some of the community activities that you can do. Thank you. Right. So the next question is also like for people who are going through burnouts, I know it's very closely linked to the first question. So for people who are going through burnouts and, you know, so you mentioned some ways of identifying, you know, I could be going through a burnout, but I need not know for sure, you know, that I'm getting burnt out. So what would be some identifying factors, you know, maybe three things if you could mention, and also after that, you know, three ways of coming out of it, right? Three things. Yeah. Okay. One of the most identifying or one of the most leading symptoms is that people tend to develop fear. There's fear. There's people pulling out, you know, losing relationships. You know, you're not in a relationship with your family members, with your colleagues, or even with your seniors. Partly is that people tend to get into self-defense. They try to play God, you know, you try to go against the error, the management or the programs. So one of the basic things that once you've seen the symptoms, like fear, lack of concentration, some even lose appetite, and some even tend to develop suicidal tendencies. Because it's like they've reached their goal. They're not achieving much. I think even the best, pardon? Yeah. Go ahead, please. Pardon? Yeah. The best thing to do is start to, just the way I said before, once you've seen all the symptoms coming out, and in case where, in some organization, where you need to do an evaluation score, you need to have some evaluation score where you check the performance, again, even how people are reporting work, or even people are meeting their targets or their accomplishments. So you need to undergo and check all those things. If they're not meeting, there must be a reason why. So occasionally it's just good to do a small evaluation of yourself. Then another thing is also good to pray over everything. Because like it's even in the Bible, cases of Elijah, Jeremiah. Jeremiah, I think you don't even know the book of lamentation. It went a lot. Until some of these things they come out because people don't have enough rest. You don't have enough rest for yourself. You don't have good interaction amongst your peers or among your colleagues. You're not even concentrating on good. You're not seeing the value of even prayers on God in your life. Thank you. Right. Thank you. Thank you for that. Okay. Is the Maxon secure with us? Maxon. Okay, no. Okay. Then, okay. Is Kumbu you with us, Kumbu? Okay, Kumbu you're here. Okay, Kumbu, a question for you is, how does one, you know, you wrote about the role of art in ministry and, you know, the importance of art and wonderful that you broke down across different forms of expression. So, you know, how does one prevent the danger of idealizing the art form itself? You know, like the art form is beautiful. It's, you know, it's a way to express a way to communicate the beauty of God. But how do we, how does one, you know, maybe three things you can share, you know, how does one prevent the danger of idolizing the art form, which of course comes from God instead of, you know, yeah, so that's how do we prevent the danger of idolizing the art form and, you know, and giving the Lord the second priority or second or not giving priority in that expression of that art form. So, how does one do that? I think it would be like, like, I was mentioning in the thing, like, so many, there's like, so many different art forms. But like, first, like, for the art, like, the artist, I think, if in a church, like, personally, I was telling about the importance of creative arts in the body of Christ, like, for a church, if you're going to portray this creative forms of art in the church, like, I think it would be one thing, like, to check, like, if the person is, like, the character wise, like, whether they are not, if they're really doing it to glorify God and not doing it for just for business or for self promotion. And yeah, I mean, like, first, checking their character by observing them and, like, training them, like, if I have a church and I want to do creative arts in my church, maybe, like, before giving them opportunity, like, I would see if they have the vision, if they have what I want to show to the others. Yeah, I get your point. Like, this is, okay, like, checking the motivation of the artist, but me as a, let's say, as a creative person, or you as a creative person, what are some of those checks that we should have in place so that we don't idolize the art form, you know, or, like, music or painting or sculpture, whatever, or dance, you know, that I don't idolize the art form me personally. Because, you know, there's a drawing to that art form, because God put it there. But how do I not idolize it? Yeah. I think some of the checklists would be like, why are you doing it? Like, why am I doing this? For whom am I doing it? Like, those questions, like, and what am I trying to do it? Yeah. Okay, so what can, as a church, you know, a local church, you know, what advice, recommendation would you give? Maybe it's an established church, it's been there, right, for many years and an art is something that they've never even thought of, right? So how would, you know, maybe a three-stage process, how would they go about, you know, into creative arts as part of their ministry? What would you recommend? Like, some of the churches, like, they already kind of have some of them, like, worship dance and all of that. But like, for, let's take a church, which does not have any of this, you know, established church, been there for many years, doing wonderful ministry, right? Lives are being changed, souls are being saved. So in such a church, which has got a proven track record of ministry, for them to get into this, also, what would you advise, what would you recommend? Like, giving opportunities for reaching out to others, like, in the church, like, kind of like, have the feedback from the church, like, of what, like, for the, or reaching for the young and the children, and, yeah, like that, and start off by seeing, like, what, how is the church, what are the ways in which, like, we can serve the church, and, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Kun. Okay, I think we'll have one more, before we close. So next class, we'll, you know, we'll look at all the others. So, I'll just close with, is Shrikmar on the call? Oh, okay. Tarun, would you like to pick it up? Tarun, so, yeah, so you're research very, you know, informative, very interesting as well. So, so the thing is now, you know, for the, for the common man, right, to, I mean, this actually gives us a grandeur of God, the, you know, the wonderful aspect of his design and so on. So how would that, you know, kind of, for the common man, right, just talking about someone who doesn't have an intellectual bent of mind or whatever, you know, who's struggling with life, how would you, you know, kind of, this understanding, how would we translate that in order to minister to that person? I don't know if I'm clear, you know, to, yeah, someone, let's say, a person who doesn't understand the facts and figures and everything that, you know, whatever we are sharing, but then it's from a different, you know, demograph altogether. So how would this relate to them? Would it relate, first of all, and, you know, how would we make that connection? Okay, it's a good question. I think it will relate definitely. And it's an easy way to, it is easier, much easier for us to work with a common man, because he doesn't have an unlearning experience that is necessary, because for those who are really studying in science and believing and keeping their faith on science and reasoning all that in science, there's an unlearning that needs to be done to fill that reason with God. But if someone is not so knowledgeable and not into this, the very understanding of all the beauty and if they reasoned right from the beginning, they would discover God a lot more faster and it's going to be much easier for them. And I think, yeah, the creation around and all the things that are hidden is the first thing that God has given us. And that's what the Romans says as well, that that's where we don't find any excuse that God exists. So that's, it's a good point to start, not knowing things. Yeah, so would we still share about the intricacies, the details of it, or would we take a different approach? Yeah, the best thing would be to give the reason first why and answer it with God and then come backwards that helps us wonder and understand and stay in that thought of glorifying God all through as we explore. It's like for a kid, if I take a kid and try to explain him what is gravitation using physics, it would complicate things. But if I say earth hangs in there because God put it there, and how did he do that? And then I start answering him. Then every part of the answer that comes from how did he do that, he will connect back to God and understand how big God is. But if I start the other way around speaking about gravity, the sun, moon and the earth and the forces and how it hangs and then finally go back to God by the time he would have been lost in the gaps. So it's a good way to go from God first. Right. Thank you. Thanks everyone. Thank you. So thanks everyone. Those of you who shared as it was great just going through all the reports. And yeah, of course it had been great if we had time for each one to present, make the presentation in the class. But yeah, given the nature of time and also the number of participants, we couldn't do that. Thank you so much. So we'll meet again next Tuesday, 25th and then we'll go through the rest. So maybe if you have a student WhatsApp group, please tell the others to be present because this is graded for PHYMark. So it'll be good if they are there for that as well. Thank you so much. God bless. Bye bye. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you so much. Thank you, Pastor.