 Final clip from the debate, Keir and Rebecca Long Bailey talking about Palestine. We've spoken rightfully a lot about anti-Semitism but what about the rights of the Palestinian people and I want to hear what you guys think of that. Keir Starmer, we can stand up and we should stand up for Palestinian rights and that can perfectly well be done without being anti-Semitic. These two things are not in conflict and the suggestion that they are is just wrong I think but you're absolutely right to raise this because we do have a dispossessed of Palestinian people and we have an insecure Israel and I don't think anybody can pretend that this is a state of affairs that is possibly right in the world and we need to do something about it. Standing up for the rights of Palestinians is the right thing for our party to do and we've always done that and I believe in a secure Israel alongside a viable state of Palestine but I also think that the conflict must be settled on the basis of international law, human rights and social justice. 80% of Palestinians are reliant on humanitarian aid so we should continue calling for an end to the blockade and the illegal settlements that we see in the Palestinian West Bank and in Gaza and I'll never apologise for standing up for the rights of Palestinian people but at no point should it ever be conflated with anti-Semitism there should always be two separate issues. We've mentioned that at times Keir Starmer has been better than Rebecca Longbelly when it comes to issues such as anti-Semitism because he's been less inclined to defer like he seems like because he's an intellectually confident person and also to be fair because he feels less like the moment he says something off script he's going to be destroyed by the entire establishment which is obviously what Rebecca Longbelly is worried about. He's also older, right? I mean he's almost 20 years older but which is why he can have the confidence to say I'm not Zionist whereas Rebecca Longbelly says I am and even on the drugs question which we haven't shown a clip to that was there was a moment where they were asked would you legalise cannabis? Keir Starmer said I'd consider decriminalising cannabis. Rebecca Longbelly just said like no because I think she doesn't she doesn't want to open any more fronts because enough people are attacking her already but on on that issue there Rebecca Longbelly did so much better than Keir Starmer and that's because you know Keir Starmer was asked a question by someone in the audience who was obviously incredibly concerned that the debate when it comes to anti-Semitism has come to a point where the rights of Palestinians are being you know ignored. We're telling Palestinians that if you talk about the fact that your grandparents were excluded from their homes because of their ethnicity and you think that's racist then you're the racist. It's like telling a Native American you think America's racist you're the racist so it's fucking bananas right? So there's someone in the audience who's like we've we've entered this upside down world where Palestinians are being called racist for saying true statements right? Saying we were displaced. Yeah and Keir Starmer was like we can be anti- we can be pro-Palestine without being anti-Semitic but it's not quite this voice is it? I'll work on my Keir Starmer. But then he's analysis of Israel-Palestine is like there is a dispossessed people in Palestine and there is an insecure Israel. It's like that just makes it sound like there's this sort of equal battle oh both sides what we're going to do you know? And at least Rebecca Longberty puts down on the table of course we want a secure Israel and of course Palestinians are dispossessed but the real fucking issue here is that we need international law to be followed and who's not following international law? Israel I mean I'm putting I'm sort of adding a few words here but that was that was really the point of her answer right? She's talking about what's going on in Gaza she's talking about the situation on the ground so that we don't forget what matters whereas in that situation again it comes down to what are you comfortable talking about and as a left-wing person what you're often comfortable talking about is injustice and fighting and struggle and Keir Starmer sort of says well there's a difficult situation. Well also it's like difficult situation. How do we help the Palestinians? Well look you can support Palestinians or self-determination without being anti-Semitic. True that's not answering the question and like you know Lisa Nandi when they were talking about inequality talks about Jeff Bezos and somebody who works for Amazon on you know poverty pay. Let's talk about somebody that lives in the Gaza Strip it's basically been an open-air prison since 2007 nobody can get in or out it's basically under blockade it's GDP per capita hasn't moved for 20 years actually poorer now than it was then it's basically in permanent recession journalists can't get in there you know it's open warfare in fact the economic warfare that's being waged on these poor people I mean this is nuts and if you even talk about it oh my god I mean come on this is outrageous but yeah Keir Starmer can't do it and by the way Israel isn't insecure it's never been more militarily supreme it has nuclear weapons how many countries have nuclear weapons right and the whole of the politics of Likud which it's got a huge fucking wall around it that's a very secure and a very effective missile defense system you know it's like the most in a way it's one of the most secure countries I don't I mean it's not you know Britain's lucky enough to be an island right yeah it's very hard to fire rockets at Britain but you know it's the military industrial complex in Israel is fucking huge well for a country of 10 million easily the biggest in the world Palestinians sort of have demonstrations where that like the biggest threat to Israel at the moment is Palestinians attaching you know like flaming rags to kites it's like you know your your country is not that if the biggest threat to your national security is some protesters who you know also this is the March of Return these are people who are getting shot dead yeah more than a hundred of them shot dead yeah right and and the defense of Israel for why it was legitimate to shoot them dead was because they were they were they were attacking our security with with kites with flaming rags by the way this country is Israel Israel is the world's second largest manufacturer of drones like it's a very you know technologically advanced it's a basically it's a marshal to shoot down the kite and leave the fucking Palestinians alone maybe that would be a start wouldn't it yeah it's just it's just unbelievable it's unbelievable oh yeah stuff about uh the politics of Likud which has been the sort of dominant Israeli party for the last 25 30 years it's premised upon there not being a viable Palestinian state that's the basis of the politics of Likud which is also the basis of Netanyahu's politics nobody says this you can be for you know Israeli you know they exist by the way by the way the PLO the Palestinian Liberation Organization they accept the existence of Israel so does Egypt they wouldn't call themselves Zionists these are two very separate things the PLO aren't Zionists they absolutely you know accept the existence of Israel and the fact it should continue to exist oh my god this is i was just looking out because i wanted to look up what they call the flaming kites they call them incendiary kites but then you've got this fucking new york times article right maybe unable to stop i suppose it's probably too late to get it up but new york times this is the first thing that comes up what flaming kites unable to stop flaming kites Israel moves to choke off Gaza commas so it's like you know they oh Israel's so insecure because there's some flaming rags on kites so we're going to block their entire economy and put them under siege it's not funny it's not funny but i mean just the fact that you can stand up there and say uh the Palestinians have been dispossessed but Israel's insecure it's like oh fucking hell get a grip but also like Fox tells us to hurry up Israel occupied south lebanon in the 1980s it it's occupied bits of you know the golan heights it's occupied lots of other countries nobody like they're like you say it's just unbelievable sure of actually being surrounded by water it couldn't be more secure