 Yes, please come on in. Good evening, sir. Good evening, sir. Good evening, Gaurav. Please take your seats. Thank you, sir. Gaurav, is it your first interview? Second, sir. Second, sir. Second interview. Can you please introduce yourself to the board? Sir, I am Gaurav Kerr, originally from Delhi. I did my bachelors in business studies from Shahid Sudev for each of the studies at the university. I am currently working in Employees' Proprietary Fund Organization as a system commissioner. My hobbies are reading, non-fiction, and watching movies. And I enjoy cuisine, sir. Very good. Do you have any siblings? Yes, sir. I have three sisters. Three sisters? Yes, sir. Okay. Already you are in a service, well-settled, already you are in a central service, well-settled and drawing a good salary. Yes, sir. Why do you want to still pursue another service? Sir, my current service is really good. Okay. It's given me an opportunity to work with the poorest sections of the society. Okay. Since the ETF Act applies to a CEO of 15,000 rupees a month. Okay. But, sir, accelerated career progression, as well as an opportunity to work in diverse fields is what draws me to civil services, sir. Okay. Good. So, you allow IIS. Sir, how IIS is better or superior to account service? Sir, it's not a question of superior audience. Both services are equally important. Audited account service does plenty of work which is extremely important from national perspective. Okay. Since that the diversity of jobs that IIS offers, I can be a collector of a district one day, head of an industrial enterprise in another time, and I can be working in social sectors in another time. So, it's the diversity of the job, plus the career progression which makes IIS preferable to other services, sir. Okay. Nice. Recently, we heard about the 2G spectrum very big to the court. The court has acquitted the case. There is a propaganda or it may be factual also that this figure of 1.76 lakh crore rupees is artificially created in order to bring by a personally interested group of people to bring bad name to a group, a political party. Is it possible for a KG to bring out such figures on false pretexts? Sir, I can't comment on whether these are motivated or not because I'm not privy to those discussions. But I can certainly bring out how those 1.76 lakh figure came about. Sir, that came about actually because prior to this CIG audit of 2G spectrum allocation, there was an auction of 3G spectrum allocation and that passed a figure of 68,000 crore rupees. So, what the honourable control and the alter general did was he extrapolated that figure. He said 3G is essentially 2.716. So, he extrapolated that figure to 2G spectrum which was not auctioned in 2008 and arrived at this figure of 1.76 lakh crore rupees. Is it ethically correct to do that? Knowing that this will create unnecessary kind of impression and in practice probably even if it is auctioned it could be even 100th of this 1.76. He might know even knowing very well that this extrapolation technique is not morally correct. Store it to be revealed. Don't you think it is morally ethically wrong to do that? Sir, I would take to agree with that. That's not real. That's not real, first of all. That's not real, sir. Actually, the CHE gave 3 figures, sir. What he gave 1.76 lakh crore was just one of the 3 figures. Another figure was 29,000 crore. This was obtained through from the sale by which one of the companies which was allotted spectrum sold it to the third company. So, he used that figure to extrapolate what would have fetched had it been auctioned. Another was 41,000 crore. So, that was also obtained at a price in which another company sold it to a third company. So, these were the 3 figures which CHE gave, sir. I personally feel, sir, that these 2 figures are much more reliable because they actually gave out what an absolute transaction involving 2 unrelated entities would fetch rather than 1.76 lakh crore, sir. And whether it is morally correct or not, I think, sir, the intent of CHE was to bring out the irregularities in the spectrum allocation. So, this 1.76 lakh crore, what it did was it brought out the irregularities, the inconsistencies in the spectrum allocation. It brought the focus onto the efficiencies in the spectrum allocation. And I think the effect was felt off in the next allocation wherein it was auctioned and it fetched good money, sir. Okay. Now, in the recent budget, there is a proposal to cover 10 crore under Medicare insurance schemes. And practically, will it be possible to bring 10 crore people to the extent of 5 lakhs per person for the next 5 years with the allotment the government has really made? From what I have read, it's 2,000 crore has been allocated. Correct. That's for the first year, sir. It's a 5-year scheme, so I expect allocations to rise soon. Actually speaking, some of them are already covered. There's a scheme called under which many of the unauthorized sector workers are already covered by a cover of 30,000. So a cover would rise from 30,000 to 5 lakhs. It would rise. So I suppose allocations will rise in coming years. So fiscal challenge is one of the things. The other would be 2,000 crores for the 5 years allotment. This is I suppose for the first year, sir. First year is much, much less. First year is much less. I have expected to rise further over the coming years, sir. Once the beneficiaries have been identified, what's the allocation the sharing of cost between centre and states is worked out. What's the dignities and the modalities of the scheme are worked out. I expect centre will rise allocation to it and I think it will be coverable within the 5 years, sir. You are positive over it. Yes, sir. I am, sir. Even if it is only 40 rupees per person, which company will come forward to give 40 rupees per person for a 5 lakh rupees coverage? Sir, actually, they will see the coverage. This is just one of the templates. Like, sir, in stock markets, the government once invites for disinvestment, it quotes the company's code print as low as 1 rupee for the entire IPU. That's because they want to show that they can manage bigger IPUs and attract other customers. So I think that's what the intent of the government is, sir. Once that insurance companies show that they can handle such a thing. What will be the approximate insurance cost for 5 lakh rupees per person today in the market? I don't know about this, sir. It is not less than 12,000 rupees. Okay. Okay. You are a business graduate. Tell me what is social entrepreneurship? Social entrepreneurship is basically different from profit entrepreneurship. What it is is means that you don't make money. You don't make profits in social entrepreneurship. You may or may not make, sir. But profit is not the primary concern. The primary concern is making difference in the lives of the people and working in the social sector. Like SKS, microfinances, social entrepreneurship. How is it different from the non-profit organizations? Social entrepreneurship essentially is a business model. It may or may not earn profit, but it works on a business model. Proper accounting is there. The firm makes out their return on capital, etc. The profit may or may not be primary objective. While in case of NGOs, the profit is not at all an objective. They are just focused on ensuring that services are good. The services or the objective is achieved. So that is the essential difference between social entrepreneurship and NGOs, sir. Another example would be... Sir, can I just... Yes, sure, sure. Yeah, okay. Let me draw your attention to the other part, which is the relations, foreign relations. Tell us something about the recent crisis in South China. South China, sir. That was regarding that wording that came out. So that wording, the UN... What is this crisis all about? This crisis actually originated post World War II. In the World War II, all the island territories were acquired by Japan. Post World War II, they were liberated. And they became independent nations. Which were governments? Philippines. Another... Philippines would be one. Other countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, they were run over by Japanese, sir. So, China, traditional rights over these areas. These islands belong to China. While these... The Sparkling Islands, sir. They were artificially built islands that China has created now. So China claims over... that the South China Sea is its sphere of influence. While all these countries, Asian countries essentially, they claim that South China Sea it falls within their exclusive economic zone as well as sphere of influence. So this is where the dispute lies, sir. And the recent verdict of the UN court which came out, it said that these... China's claim over these, that is the 9-dash line, is unmonitored. And these countries have the right over these... these territorial waters of these seas, sir. Do you know the country which finds the case against the claim of China? Are there all the countries of Asia or any particular country that you think is with Vietnam, sir? No, it was not Vietnam. It was the Philippines. Thank you. That's a one-related question. In case you... one of your options is also, you know, AFS, right? AFS is number three. In case you are being posted and, you know, given a chance of being an ambassador or an eye commissioner, what is the difference between ambassador and eye commissioner? Sir, I do remember there is a difference. It's basically a nomenclature difference. Okay. Why do you call some countries? Common countries. Yes, the countries to... Common ones were called high commissioners while others were ambassadors, sir. Right, if you are posted as an eye commissioner to Sri Lanka. Yes, sir. Or if there is any particular choice of country that you may have, if in case the option is given to you... Sir, what option is that? I hope we will not go to Afghanistan. We will not go to Afghanistan. Sir, in serving my country, if I posted in Afghanistan, I would be happy to go. But I would like to go to Latin America, sir. Why so? Because it's a highly growing area. It has an expatriate population also and the similarities are there with India. Okay. Further, there is a huge scope to work in Latin America because economic, social cooperation between Latin America and India and there is huge scope for growth in relations between India and Latin America. Even the problem in Venezuela, the cryptocurrency issue in Venezuela, have you heard of that? I haven't heard of it, sir. But I do have heard of the other relationship in the political... crisis in the political leadership in Venezuela, sir. Okay, sir, we can ask some questions. Since you have studied the commerce, could you tell me that in the environmental cost and the ecological... sorry, ecological... cost and the economic... environmental damage, you will come across one term that is called internalizing the externality. Do you have any idea of what is an internalizing the externality as a commerce graduate? Sir, it's... it's essentially factoring in the environmental degradation cost, etc., in your calculations for the return on investment. Like, there are many concepts of adding it, sir. There's a concept called economic value added. Social cost, benefit analysis, economic value added. These are two terms which factor in this, sir. Social cost, benefit analysis is it converts the environmental degradation cost, etc., in... in monetary terms. And it factors into it... factors this into considerations of return on capital, the net present value, return on return to arrive at the social cost as well as benefit of the given project. This is called internalizing the externality. What about the environment? The disposal cost. Okay. Now that you're given your second choice as Indian Police Service, I'll just ask a very simple question. What is an e-climate? Sir, any crime which has its origin as... as well as... or I use the internet or e-technologies for achieving its aim is e-climate, sir. List out. Cyber theft. Cyber theft is one... there's one... cyber theft, stealing of information. Denial of information. You're speaking of the stealing of the information. What is the technical term? It's called hacking. Hacking. Denial of service attacks. There's cyber... cyber terrorism. Then there's... You know, Nigerian cheating. We have this Nigerian cheating. Nigerian cheating. You would be hitting information... notification that you won a lottery in land and 50 million US dollars. Yes, sir. That I've got, sir. Okay. This is called... They are a group of Nigerian cheating. Okay, madam. You can ask them. Yes. We have read two subjects, finance and HRN. I was wondering if you are very clear about the current draft that is bearing for a new industrial policy. You know, what are the changes compared to the old one? We're not aware of exact details. But from what I remember, we have to make our India manufacturing up for IT, etc. Because currently our IT ports are pretty high. So 100 billion... is the limit that has been set... is the target that has been set for IT manufacturing... IT and IT related manufacturing, such as mobile phones, etc. As well as we intend to open many sectors for foreign times, etc. So these are the things that I remember from the new industrial policy map. Okay. Have you heard about the pricing system that the rival industry is trying to introduce? Dynamic pricing. Yes, ma'am. This is based on demand pricing, ma'am. Okay. For the first 8% of the tickets, the fair remains called state map. Post that it rises with every... 1% rise in demand, the fair rises, ma'am. But the maximum fair is about 50%. Okay. What about your application of HRM? You know, in case you become a member of that tomorrow, you think you can apply your HRM principles there? Yes, ma'am. Certainly, ma'am. What aspects? First of all, HRM entails breaking down of the human resource functioning into different parts, such as recruitment, training, selection, appraisal, etc. So each of these aspects, ma'am, HRM functions can be used to improve civil services. The questions that are there in the exam, the overall structure of the exam, that can be improved through application of techniques of recruitment. Training programs can be improved. For example, ma'am, in my own training, for EPA for training, ma'am, I personally felt the duration was short. It could have been expanded to cover more concepts, more industrial visits, etc. This is how training can be improved. In terms of performance appraisal, ma'am, new techniques such as MBO, that can be used to improve the performance evaluation of the civil service, ma'am. These are the ways in which we can use human resource management. Okay, Gaurav Ghar, your interview has come to the back end. Best wishes to you. Thank you. What is your mark last year? I got 165. Okay. I got 165. Members will just tell their opinion about you. Yes, sir. One is your body language. Okay, sir. How are you sitting? See, you should sit straight comfortably and then did somebody tell you that you should hold your hands like this? Because you are trying to hold this and then you are doing this kind of a thing. It was very distracting for people. So, you can actually keep here and then use your hands for gestures. Nothing wrong with it. Don't make wild gesticulations. For example, you are talking about 3 points, 1, 2, 3. You can say that. Then there is more natural. Then also you are slumped and you are sitting like this. There. Now, again, interview again. You sit properly. Just come and sit. Yeah. Leave it. Leave the mic out. We don't want that. They won't give any mic there. Yes. Just come in and sit down. While you are coming, you are thinking about something. That's okay. You should look at the board and then just slightly awkward. Maybe are you nervous? You are not nervous, right? This is my first moment. So, a bit of a rest place. This is the answer. The way you walk, you need to walk straight and then sit down comfortably. You know, hurry. Now you are better. That's it. That is the primary thing. While looking at people, you are always downcast. You are looking at like this. Maybe you are trying to concentrate. So, you can actually try to look around. I am asking questions. You can look at me. You can look at the chairman. So, you make it a point. You are always looking like an IIT officer. And a very studious IIT guy. No, like IIT, you know? You look like an IIT. What do you call it? Prototype or? Studious character. Studious character. I just wanted to add to that some of the positive points. Very, very, very eloquent, very sensible. You have got to keep it up. That tempo can be retained. But except for, you know, brushing up the current that needs to be completely brushed up. That's why they want to concentrate on. I am sure. And whichever is your area of your comfort zone, you can drag the entire corner to that particular point. So, your comfort and you drag the question will come from one after the other. If I am going to ask for some search and I see there is a very confident of, you know, for you then talk a little more of that so that the next people will also ask them questions. So, Tamil Nadu people may ask a lot of questions about Kerala and Daivari, Robert Clive, sports and George. The historical aspect of Kerala and all that, you know? And the recent, you know? These have to be brushed up by you. So, you have to expect questions on that. Whether you are communicating this by good order, yeah? No, sir. Yeah, the same thing only. I am also fully anchoring with them. But the only thing we have not, now only I can be able to see your face. You are not to see. And you are also seeing me one. And all the time you are seeing elsewhere or you are thinking yourself elsewhere. So, I think you are back into the question. Yeah, absolutely. You listen completely. Guys, the question you answered. But you are engaging yourself. It's not a written exam, right? So, you need to interact with us. Yeah. So, yeah. Gaurav, strictly speaking, I have no opinion to offer. You are doing extremely well. I still wonder how you scored only 160 last year. Probably this body language, something like this, you are always sitting something like this. You will be wearing a suit, right? Yes, sir. It won't be cold there. So, even if it is cold in a suit. Something like this, sit properly. It may be your nature. I was telling them not to even correct this because probably they may like your posture. Maybe more a confident look on this face. Ah, I know. But all the answers, your questions you answered very well. You can have a facelift of your career. Yeah, yeah. When is the interview, Gaurav? You got the first point. He is from Delhi. Delhi also. And when is the interview? It's my answer. He is from Delhi. My role. He is from that army camp, in the area. He is from Kuttubinagar. Kuttubinagar. He is from the study centre. Badra Hospital. This is near the IAF, Tehran. What's your father? He is from the institution. What's your father, Gaurav? He is a real estate broker. Gaurav is from Kashmere Any crime committed with the use of computer is cyber crime. Yeah, you answered well. Various kinds of crimes, you know, you can say, all kind of cheating can be committed with the help of this computer. But the method used, maybe computer virus, computer worm, Trojan, botnet. Trojan knows I was coming up. But certainly he was sleeping all the time. Yeah, phishing is a method. Ultimately people can cheat. Or, you know, blackmail. Or try to decame people. They can commit murder also. In the sense, engage people. It can be used. Computer can be used in the process of committing crimes. Like robbery, theft, murder. Even murder again. Higher money, transfer money to somebody. He can kill people. Not even a ship. He is actually not a boat. You say, social issues we want to make money. The whole social entrepreneurship entrepreneurs want to make money. You know, they have this concept of doing good while doing well. That's really right. So unlike for profit organizations, these are not for profit. Unlike regular business, you have a social cost. You should talk about green tech and those kinds of things. There is a lot of high technology providing water to everyone. Including in the scare. There are a lot of other areas other than micro finance. Micro finance is the most common. There are a lot of other areas now. Can we say sir this is a social entrepreneurship venture? How again? Narayan Vidali at the Devi Shetty venture. Yeah, you can say that. See he is making me, he is not doing it free, but he is doing it at a very low cost. But still he has to make money. Unlike non-profit organization where they are going to beg for money. You don't have to do that here. You can plow that in the profit center. Okay, all the best to you. All the best to you. Thank you sir. Any kind of profit? By answers, with respect to my answers, actually whether you are correct or not? Actually, possibly correct. But the way you answered, the way you understood everything is absolutely okay. Many other times. And also, you have to know something about your, you have a nasal problem, block. Currently it's not, sir, by any accident. A nasal block. Sounding very similar, sir. Sir, only if it refers to the cost there, you have to include the way the environmental disposal cost also. Suppose I am purchasing this one, means a plastic one, means a, then I am the consumer. But the disposal cost I am not paying. It is paid from the taxpayer's point. So the person who is used to the thing has to pay the disposal cost also. That is called the internalizing the externalizing. It's okay? Yeah, okay.