 Good evening everybody, welcome to the Village West Exjunction trustee meeting for Tuesday September 10th, 2019. Please rise and join me for a pleasure to meet you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Do we have any agenda additions or changes? Yes sir, we do. We have two items, 5D, which is an approved order to void and rescind the decision and order and the notice of survey both dated July 17th, 2019. This is regarding the Crescent Connector. 5E authorized the Board of Trustees Chair and Unified Manager to execute agreements related to Crescent Connector project that's mainly for easement. So right that need to be acquired and then just to hand out this at your place regarding the CCRBC annual report. Thank you and 5E if that sounds or looks familiar to anybody else when we did this last time there was just a motion that was agreed upon but there was no formal document that was signed so that's just going to be the difference as we have a signature document this time. So I will move that we add the items referred to by the manager to the agenda. Second. Great. Before we go into any further discussion I'm noticing that we don't have a minotaker right now. Greg, you drop down. Yeah, I'm taking some notes. Okay. So the motion on the table any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Great thank you. We are on to item four the public to be heard and that was the point in time when anybody in the public wants to say something that's not on the agenda. It's a great time to do so seeing as there's nobody in the public is there anybody want to talk? All right that's the auctioneer voice. Hearing none. Last one. Great so we will move out of public to be heard and we are now on to business items 5A the presentation from the Chicken County Regional Planning Commission. Mr. Baker thank you for being here tonight. Yeah thank you very much for telling me your busy meetings I know especially after last night I guess so I'll try not to make this too painful but this and I apologize you didn't have more time to review the report to just get it yesterday. Yeah it would be appreciated if you could do with it in overview so what's in the report and then you're going to cut me off but it's too much but so and just my way of background I try to come every fall to kind of do a little bit of a recap about what we did from town what we're doing countywide in the last fiscal year and sometimes I'll leave into things that are going on now which is totally fine but this is kind of our report looking backwards so it doesn't focus on too much of the things actually going forward and the first page of the report really gives you background about the RPC we are an organization of the municipalities our board is made up of municipalities you see down the bottom that Dan is the trustees rep on our board a very active member glad to have him thank you Dan and also just a little bit about kind of our financial structure we don't have general we have no taxation powers no general revenues other than the dues which total of about two hundred and forty five thousand last year and then there's also a local match on projects our overall budgets closer to five to seven so what we do is really leverage that one dollar of dues for eleven dollars of state and federal funding but we really work you know almost I almost think of us as kind of a public sector consulting agency who are working under performance contracts whether it's for them for the village or for the state or for the federal government on a brownfields contract so that's a background there are questions on that the second page is the specific things that we're we're doing last year in Essex Junction your municipal plan got done and so I know these are all things that you are probably much more familiar with than I am to be honest the design five corners implementation plan so that was going over a couple years trying to work out some details there the parking plan this says it will be complete but it was completed I think last spring or fall and so that that actually is done and under budget always happen the sidewalk path scoping study on 15 that is still going to work out and then the culvert scoping and then more drive brownfields we did some work here at three maple at one main street we're just managing work traffic counts so and then on the third page bottom of third page is things that are in the capital program the v-trends you have a stormwater project that grab a well in question connector maybe a little street you've heard of yeah so those are just things that are in the capital program and then the one thing going forward on top of a page four is what you have in our work program we do an annual work program and the one thing that the village asked for was for funds to help with inspecting your stormwater system so that's kind of the big project you asked for probably if you remember that was probably last winter that you talked about that the last few pages are things going out of the rpc without being specific to one municipality and in general we're still kind of following tracking our regional plan called the eco's plan and we're tracking indicators tied to that we do a legislative forum each december um that one if you want to mark your calendar as early as december 10th i think it's the date this fall um you may have heard a little bit of press just yesterday on the building homes together campaign um we're tracking the center target averaging 700 a year for new homes we're kind of meeting that because we have a really big 2016 number for production um but not meeting the goal for 20 of those being affordable so still and really our housing market is still not healthy so it's still a lot more work to do there um public health issues um still doing some support with the opioid alliance and please interrupt me anything that you want to jump into or take into more detail uh the emergency management staff the local emergency planning committee we've been doing a lot of work on energy planning including with individual towns um some training thing highways a lot of clean water um the municipal growth general permit is another clean water activity so i'm going to stop reading all of these but elderly and disabled is something um the transit service review is something that we work with the united way and gmt uh to start and that may be something that we circle back um and that may be more of a town issue than a village um in terms of how that's funded but um here in essence junction but um but currently the town funds it and is uh through through gmt yep but we provide the drivers are there is there grant monies or is it just doing a survey of there isn't really um additional funds i think you know part of the question i think as we started to look at that service a little bit more was um we're the only part of the state that has a very municipally driven system and so you know depending on which municipality you live in you get a different level of service you know which towns have agreed to pay for um and so you know i don't know how familiar and the system was set up quite some time ago let me go back to 15 20 years um so part of what i was maybe this is a good question to ask you like i was thinking that maybe uh it might be worthwhile just kind of uh just re-grounding everybody and letting everybody know what each other's doing and and what other residents are getting in neighboring towns and not not to push things up or down either way but just um it's we've made it kind of hard on the users in chitney county um you know that because the service is very it's hard you know even on the dispatchers and call takers to say but you gotta tell me which town you're in before i know if you're eligible for a ride um so anyway that's just something you know i think i'm kind of looking at at GMT and you know frankly the funding is not going out and so there's pressure on the system and you're probably feeling it hit your pocket book as the more costs can pass on to the municipalities each year so sorry we'll tangent there but um you know and oh by the way if you haven't heard this we're getting older not anybody in this room but others of us are getting older and the demands on the services are continuing to increase uh that's certainly the the boomer generation gets to retirement age um so i'm not going to delve into any more details here unless there's something i just i would love to just hear maybe i'm just a one minute uh just a little more uh description but i'm fascinated by the advanced traffic monitoring system using bluetooth technology can you just what i think i know what that means but i don't i'm gonna pretend i don't what does that mean maybe should ask you first okay no no no so um basically uh we work with v-trans to install some technology on kind of the major travel quarters i think they're listed here right yep us to including 2a yeah um i can't remember 15 i don't think 15 is on that but yeah that's okay um but um and it's really to get uh direct information back into v-trans's central system so that they can better track what's actually happening on the roads and then respond to it probably the first kind of response is just travel or information like hey there was an incident on that road you know it's it's got the road shut down you should find alternatives um but things like that um okay i think are also that's probably the primary use is really just kind of incident management okay and travel or information okay um and notably just the question i was going to ask about this like okay so how much is big brother storing data and how much of it's personally identifiable and it's the best of my knowledge none of it's personally identifiable and it's not stored it's just you know kind of it's going through the system so that they can know what's going on and try to help the system get more efficient but the recipient of the data is it is it uh is it uh local local pd's is it i'm just trying to see what you're doing yeah first responders how does it um yeah but it's going to the central system at v-trans okay so then they would work with pd's or emergency okay okay that's that's there's an hour thank you thanks yeah all right you know if they're sharing that data with other agencies i don't lose that yeah i don't again i don't believe that they're storing a lot of to be shared it's really you know kind of incident management travel information okay so is so is what this is is of these devices that are seeing if i have bluetooth on my phone and i see that my phone stops really quick is that what this is seeing like logistically what does it mean i am not i'm not everybody every device has its unique mac address and a bluetooth identifier every single one is different so they're point to point collecting them right comparing them in real time so if it's taking longer than it should then something went wrong in this one location for my phone to get through to where it normally does right essentially so is this something that is this something that can then be built upon in the future to take away the necessity to have so many police doing speed patrol traffic patrol don't think that intent is there at the moment yeah i don't know yeah there's lots of things we could speculate about where technology broadly stated will take us yeah i think the moment there's so much inefficiency in the traffic signal system in particular because they're not connected to each other there's still a lot of work to be done to just get communicating on the traffic signal system better and better respond to actual traffic loads we're still a long way from even maximizing current technology in chenna county here yeah when i saw the the safety portion what went to my mind is i know that there are a lot of people that do run through the red light here five corners and or will all of a sudden speed up instead of going to 25 to 30 if they might be going to go to 35 to 40 to get through the light so if that type of information is already being collected then i don't think this would try the hell out nor do i think it's attached i mean i know that information is attached to a person but i don't think that the trains has a way to it that's where the sharing comes in so we're you know if they're aggregating and sharing with other agencies that would then have it's very easy to put those together with license plate scanner's business damn no i was just gonna say that you're you already have john q public out there already has access to very much similar type of information if you download google maps you put that in your car you open up maps it's going to show you based on cellular activity in that area where there's where they show on the road a red mark that's going to be dense traffic or a lot of stopped traffic and it's very helpful i mean we're a rural state even a rural county by any comparison to any metropolitan area where you have signage every you know overpass indicating you know there's a crash ahead whatever we don't have that as people could attest on 89 with all the problems i mean you don't know until you're there and then there's no way to get out of it so it is helpful i mean um but there are ways to kind of get information immediately on your own phone yeah and i should um it's good point i don't want you to think that v-trans is solely dependent on this system too you know they're also using uh waves and google maps you know so they're connected to those services also trying to get as good information as they can to help the travel and public so any questions on the record before we move on to the next anything my only other question is are there any is there anything that we this board we as a community can do to better help with any of these other regional initiatives and what we're doing now i don't think so i mean i think that communication has been pretty free and open with the municipality and you know you have probably you know a little thing as we were helping with a consulting contract that we could have done better on so um we took that feedback i think you have it but um no i think you know and i think uh i think the village is participating in different activities you know whether it's the village in town or how that happens um charlie is kind enough to be the host of a regional manager's lunch uh on a monthly basis um greg attends at sarah has attended i attended we get to talk about a lot of these issues and many more as they are coming up the opioid crisis how you know um municipalities are addressing it along with planning etc that has been one we've talked about a lot of issues of including things like 89 and what happens when they start that construction um and other things and and then how we can work together uh on projects and so it has been quite valuable and charlie is also we were instrumental in the regional dispatch being sort of that middle buffer between entities the squeezy part yeah the squeezy part and so it's still moving along and and um so they are active yeah i do think like that's one topic like um i guess if i was going to put something out there like you know pay attention to what's happening there you know is that i don't know what kind of impact they may have you know um the town of village you know dispatching function and you know we talked about it um you know the select board and and i think the trustees meetings back a year or two ago but you know the time decided not to put it on a ballot but at the time you know that was fine but i think it's something to just track and see you know do you want to participate in some way or to have a voice at that table um and you know same conversation at shelbert yeah they have their dispatch staff and you know they're they did put on their ballot voter get down so but they don't have a voice at that table right now um and so you know but it may be worth monitoring and i think yeah and a lot of somewhat also happens as it gives us a forum are there opportunities to share are there opportunities to collaborate are there what's other people doing in these arenas that we get a quick um 4-1-1 on it and then if we want to continue asking questions we can but just knowing that what another community is doing in a particular arena and if you have any interest um you get a quick so he hosts those yeah yeah one thing coming up uh later um in this fall will be we'll do uh host like a regional community justice forum because we have five municipalities and community justice centers and again you know it's done a little differently here in jenny county than in the rest of the state and so the state want to have a conversation like and in frankly the managers for you know i think again feeling that physical pressure of cost increasing without any revenue increase is there a better way to do this uh you get a notice on that before too long thanks does anybody have any other questions on 5a before we go right before we go to 5b no okay thank you let's go ahead charlie you want to go on to 5b 5b okay um so um i think this appeared on your agenda as um the rail yard relocation um i have a little broader presumption of it so but i know that was the sensitive point here um and so um and kind of i'll first do a little mea culpa apologies let's not you know i've been here 11 years now this is the first time i think that i found myself uh in a position to do what happened this summer which was kind of jump ahead of the towns a little bit um and just so we submitted a grant application and thanks for getting that pulled up there um to the build program which is a it's 100 federal funded discretionary grant program from us dot and really i think after we did our metropolitan transportation plan last year you know there's still these questions about uh why can't we do passenger rail looking we have some sort of rail system here we have rail lines going through here um and then david ledesdorf bought those rail cars from dallas um and so i think you know what looking at it was like really can we get to the bottom of this i mean there's definitely we would be the smallest urbanized area with the rail system so but maybe the fact that you know we have somebody who's brought rail cars here are very that are probably the most inexpensively to own and operate type of rail cars maybe there's a way to make that work um and then how would you pay for which would really be there have to be a lot of subsidy every rail system subsidized um and how would that be subsidized and the the group there's a non-profit corporation now that uh i guess owns those cars which are called champ p3 and so they were kind of talking about is there enough development potential around potential rail stations that development revenue so there have to be rental properties commercial residential that rental income could go back into supporting you know low-cost rail system i don't know the answer to that but this opportunity was like well maybe this will give us opportunity to actually find out so and there's a there was another big wrinkle in this which was one of the opportunities that that group identified was geez maybe one of the most valuable places that we could redevelop would be the burlington rail yard um and then some people i'm not going to take the full plane for this but i'll i'll own it as the the head of the organization you know had some sort of misunderstanding maybe about some zoning changes that happened here that thought that the village was interested in having a rail yard so anyway so we had some little missteps in the drafting so i apologize for that if that got to your table i apologize for any anxiety that caused i did not mean to do that uh but we definitely uh got that communication and took out any reference to as extension being interested in having the rail yard so there's no a generic task in there of look around maybe there's someplace for that rail yard to go um honestly uh from how things sit today you would have to go south because that's where romont rail in the state of romont has control over the rail line they don't control anything north of burlington that's jennesy and wyoming rail and so or maybe soon to be brookfield um and so um so anyway we'll take a look maybe there will be an opportunity maybe the rail yard's got to go somewhere i think from our rail systems doesn't want it too far away from your center so who knows but again so the opportunity to answer that question and that's a 40-year-old question i think in burlington like well it wouldn't it be nice if the rail yard went somewhere but there has a community i think this i'll give it to us and no one would expect that to really happen so uh so anyway this was a great application and then if there are some positive answers that oh this may be feasible it also the final task is actually setting up a public private corporation that would kind of be the the development of the public uh interest corporation that would do the development and funnel money back into the rail so so i maybe operate the rail i don't know or the gmt operates the rail or who knows so anyway i just talked to you a lot about fantasies um and uh possibilities and um but i think what listening to a lot of those conversations both with the rail lines the freight rail lines people interested in the commuter rail you know planners and engineers there what was obvious to me was that there were so many more questions and answers um and so i think when we saw those opportunities like well maybe this is an opportunity to get answers even a third now it was you know no was an answer right and uh we could put some of these issues to bed because it is something that's been circling around for a long time right so sorry that was a long one didn't you know no and i don't i um i i think i can maybe identify the source or how how a little bit of a confusion because when david came here and there's several years ago they were literally and talked about commuter rail we talked about a uh a trial run of an s extension to montpelier and he had the concept of putting a station at global boundaries which we saw sure i thought our problem but you can certainly have one there it makes a total sense and then i think he had the idea of well maybe i could put a side rail there and maybe i would build something because he has i don't know one of his facilities is making the giant windmill arms and he needs a big space and and global foundries has again so the idea so there was sort of like a like a court of a sort of a nebulous buzz about doing some kind of a rail thing over there i don't think it was really like let's have a full blown freight yard over here right now i think that's probably i don't know if that was the source but i think that's probably where it came from because that might have gotten second hand third hand bounced around and it's like yeah i said junction is anxious to get this really hard going over here so i i'm guessing if that's i don't know if that was the source of the best of my knowledge of rail yard is not uh taxable so you know there's a big difference between having a a business that uses a rail line right and uh you know it's a property tax and a you know a rail company owned rail yard that doesn't generate property taxes so just being a little bit of a homework yeah but just to go back to the whole concept of commuter rail is so is the idea and i know what you're saying this is this is sort of when you're in fantasy land right now so we don't really you can't really say what it is what we threw out here was to look at it from you know middlebury to saint alvin's okay about pelier okay so you're okay so so middle so it got like a middlebury up the western side through through burlington and then back down the eastern side to mont pelier is that what we're talking about there's something about making it happen here you know right we got kind of three directions and i don't know if one of those directions might make sense right i mean like the saint alvin's to burlington your rsx burlington you know probably has the most traffic volume you know certainly that's where we've been getting the most growth in traffic right and the other thing that that this may play into is we're also doing the 89 study and so you know invariably or we will get into are there alternatives to widening 89 so this was the other thing like we weren't going to be able to answer that question without doing some of this too i'm like i don't know or you know that link system so that's all to say i don't know which which of the three lines or two of them might be best you know v-trans study the motion of commuter rail maybe three years ago maybe four years ago but use a very you know a very traditional equipment a rail rail equipment that was you know crazy expensive right three hundred million dollars just for the cars and locomotives right and so that's you know a vast cry yeah that's hardcore that's big city commuter rail yeah and of course you know that may absolutely no sense but you know what blitter store bought this stuff for you know less than 10 million so that's a and he's he's a magnitude different right right i i actually went down i was in the i went to the legislative committee when they were dealing with that and they were all going this is wonderful this is never going to happen here you know i mean that was pretty much yet that was the tone of the whole to best of my knowledge is the smallest area in the country that has a functioning rail system has about 600 000 people so you know if everybody would need the picture but nevertheless i mean still like a light if they if they if what he bought and if it could work somehow and you could you know i mean you could figure out the one where you make the most revenue but as you said the one that makes most revenue is is sx burn s extension burlington that's your biggest possible small segment that starts yeah and of course there is and we've also been talking you know kind of related but not just because of this but you know this is the one segment this is the next segment in the rail plan the state's rail plan to be upgraded is burlington to asex and so you know and that would help just just freedom you know just get you know trucks off roads so i'm hopeful that that starts going to be 1412 yeah that's the population projection for frankly county going up you know ornaments next affordable it's like sx used to be 20 years ago yeah um yeah so we're we're you know in the 160s maybe pushing 170 170 thousand population here they're in the 50 000s you know as a percentage they've been growing faster absolute numbers we're still gaining more more new residents than they do but the percentage is higher there you know the basis lower it's about a third of the county size but you know you put us together and you know you get to 20 to 25 but this is very intriguing i mean the concept of having a gmt is if you will have a transit authority to have a development potential to then help to subsidize commuter rail and all that's happening with the middle barrier project along rail to then hopefully get the train from the southern part of the state up to burlington this is the last connection that would be necessary to then get up to montreal right and as this is all coming along the line this is great timing so rail yard aside yeah this makes total sense and very intriguing certainly rail yard no connectivity yes so no you'd have freight trains moving at two miles an hour going through the village and i think that would be a little problematic it's in the past couple of years as i now work over in downtown and you can a mile and a half away give or take a little bit from the rail yard mile away you can hear it during the daytime yeah i imagine it's a little bit easier to hear at night time as they're still doing operations or whatever it is that they do from that from from a sound perspective personally and i don't want to let alone then you don't have industrial development space so one of the things i could tell you having worked um somewhere near someone close to a rail yard near oh hair airport a train going in and out of the rail yard is probably doing three to four miles per hour and those trains could be upwards of a mile plus long and so if you think about the crossing here at park street and just take a half a mile train going at three miles per hour going in and out of a rail yard that's about a half a mile or less from here it's like watching turtle races and so it will it does a lot of traffic that way you know a lot of what other people have done is they've then wanted either an underpass or something that's not going to happen here and so uh and then to think that the trains are going to come from the other direction when they leave the yard to get to burlington to go south it's going to be at three miles per hour because a train that has that kind of weight cannot get its momentum going in that way and so until that that particular train um yard which was owned and operated by the cn railroad which is the buried company or was up until recently of the agency wyoming till they got federal funding for an underpass they had their rights to go over that road however slowly they wanted to go for safety reasons around so just to give you that sense of its proximity it's not just parking a train there it's also what other activities happen on that main line that gives it activity um our our residents complain about the chip train that apparently and i know every day comes through around 430 and the out around 10 and back out around 10 and then you've got the abtrack um and that inconvenience let alone maybe add another eight or 10 trains a day or more so um it's just something we should be aware of yeah and charlie i thank you for taking out those those words in there and things like that and coming here and owning up to communication isn't always perfect but no i appreciate you know the being straightforward of this and the um i'll close this by just saying well no i think we're supposed to know by the end of october if we got this certainly we'll talk to you about and certainly there will be a lot of public engagement i mean i threw a lot of things on the table speculating but there needs to be a lot of public engagement about you know even just on the the passenger rail side yet which municipalities are really interested in doing that in doing that they want to support uh you know the redevelopment around their train stations that would need to happen and that those are a lot of transportation and land use conversations that community qualities of life that need to get discussed in multiple towns in the same time frame so it'll be a lot if this is one of those times where we have kind of the dog catching the bus okay for what you wish for uh we'll see what happens but see what happens if you get nothing better to do right if we do catch the bus there will be a lot of conversations that need to happen you know really across a lot of our four counties to think about you know who's interested in what i'm looking at i think it's fascinating that's our stay tuned yeah do you have any more questions well charlie thank you for being here i really appreciate all the cc rbc does as a great partner of the community so thank you thank you thank you thanks for all the time thank you thank you okay we are now on to five c uh the consider approving economic development funds for traffic barrier somebody want to introduce this um with the opening of that's a with the opening of the firewood cafe at the one of the five corners of five corners um there is a concern uh because he has two curb cuts one on maple one very long and large one on main street uh we are getting and seeing cut through traffic between main street into maple to get around the light um not currently happening uh outside her window so on the maple street side we have a couple of our former planter boxes um that were used for farmers market and a few other events and a couple barrels they're there also i'll take a step back in the afternoons i believe it's 2 30 to 3 o'clock our police are stationed there and they help people and children across the street so they park a cruiser there so what we'd like is some temporary current temporary measures to make sure that that cut through activity doesn't occur and then ultimately um try to figure out uh with the owner ways to uh prohibit that movement um i i want to just add one thing about it's it's not just cut through traffic it's that right now in the village center you are if this was a new building going up he would have been told you can only have parking in the rear new established businesses in the village center can parking in the front uh and so it's kind of in violation i don't want to say it's violation because it's it's kind of an odd situation since it was a garage but i think i think that it's certainly not in the spirit or the intent of what we want to see in the center and i think the intent was that there'd be parking in the lot behind and and they are there are but again as you said there were kids accumulating on the on the curb out there so it's sort of a confluence of his go he doesn't want people pulling in but he has no way to stop him right now and we don't want people going in so it's a confluence of interests and we've certainly around the village uh on railroad avenue um main street park street whenever we've had a situation like this we've always like you know rebuilt sidewalks put in planters flowers benches trashcams so it's it's perfectly within keeping of our usual practice to do something here when we can you know and see it win win with the local owner so i'd recommend doing it ever i had a couple of questions um so the memo says that the money that we approved whatever that was wasn't needed for the connection it's in there it so which pedestrian path between the parking lot in the front of road rescue right our public works our public works that another project that we were going to fund was park additional parking spaces at bark school that school that was since done by the developer yeah of these are both included in this memo saying we because we didn't use the 10 for that they were to use it for that so i'm just trying to i think we used we probably used about 1500 max so we did use some money to maybe yeah and we did it with our crew so it was just materials what type of sorry i guess what is the proposal for fairfares what do they look like what are we talking about are we talking about planters i don't i can i can i answer because i i had some contact with him uh you know right now he doesn't know he wants to he he uh the sx police park a cruiser there and they like to have a cruiser there in the afternoon for when kids are crossing and so they want to have something that's maybe movable but he's not sure um and i think uh the village has we just conferred and said the village has has barrels from other places that we could put up for no for no money put up barrels but it's kind of it looks like a construction site um so i would just i mean my opinion is you make the money available and say if you if you can come up with something have have community have robin work with uh um jake to see what they want to make the money available and if they come up with something aesthetically pleasing which i would prefer to see i think that's where you're going uh as opposed to making it look like an accident uh then i'd prefer to see that but if they think you know we're gonna there are long-range plans to do more permanent stuff right there um but long range could mean like eight months from now so what do we want there for the next eight months so i don't think it's really clear and do we need to take into consideration i don't want to get up and go look out the window you can go ahead but the the emergency access component of of this i mean i'm assuming that if there is an incident that you know the fire department can get at it from the back end so they don't need to be at the front end but i just want to make sure that that's you know one of those things that we're thinking of too if necessary i think he would be like that's why i think they're gonna work it out yeah yeah right so i got a few questions um why isn't this just a landlord tenant issue why are we paying for it if especially if they're going to redo it and i just don't understand why the village is spending money on something that and and b why wasn't it in the permit that that'd be dealt with i i just don't understand why we're getting involved i see what the other projects a public good that supersedes any one person the parking at park street we identified that is helping the need in the village core for parking and around that building the path we paid already and we currently pay to keep that parking lot lit and in good shape we've used our people to put the path in i i just don't understand why i mean i'd offer i'm so excited that he's there i'm excited about the possibilities i just don't see spending to experiment on this especially if it's just going to be pulled back out and we're done i the only thing i would my only response would be and i i mean i i'm gonna guess that it can probably they're probably just gonna put barrel wine just putting barrels there anyway um my feeling is is that we certainly could say to him it's not hey it's not our problem you're not supposed to have parking in it plus if you don't want parking there um it's also on you so it's totally on you but i would only point out that since i i've been here um other situations like this as i said on railroad avenue main street front of martins on park street we've always tried to work with the store owner or the block or or the owner or whatever to help you know to put in something that's nice that's aesthetically pleasing so given his resources he might say okay i'm gonna just do the do what i what works for me financially i'm not making any conjecture here i don't know what he would do um but it's an opportunity for us to sort of partner with them that's all and we've done this before i guess my the problem i have is i've heard that we're we're in talks with the new restaurant just down the road about how they're not complying with the way they look so if they're not complying with the way they look and we're discussing what the ramifications are with that new restaurant main street girl okay why aren't we why won't we precede pre seeing this ahead of time and saying the only way you're putting a restaurant there is if this is mitigated in a in a aesthetically pleasing and village appropriate way i don't i don't believe that as pc that i didn't go to the pc as far as i know i think it's just a change of use and so that's an administrative yeah it's not a pc decision i mean i don't think we have those kind i mean it would be good to have that and i i would be all i'd be totally in favor of stuff of stuff like that i don't think we have i don't know you can tell me it right and i think the issue with railroad main is like they're they're two very different issues the issue with railroad main is is a co issue um and and a planning um that was a temporary so and we expedited the we did a lot of repair on the sidewalk out there their whole sidewalk in front was banged up and torn up from the construction and i know that they expedited that really fast to get that up and ready for them i know i went by there and saw village public works out there really putting in new concrete and new grass and everything to make them look nice so i i don't know i you know i don't have i i'm not the person i don't have i'm not the the person to answer all your questions roger no i get it i'm just this presentation railroad main is on a temporary certificate of occupancy there and they've been told that they need to update uh the plan or build the plan to get occupancy that's one thing this particular case it's just a change of use we are going to need to talk to them about what's allowed in the front yard and not allowed in the front yard but it still doesn't change the fact that we will come across the curb cut um the question is do we want it we should do something at least temporarily to stop that movement um and then work with the owner on the aesthetics of a more permanent fixture than construction barrels oh i guess i just yeah just um we could we could we could say put up it's up to you to put you need to put something there but we can't say what he has to put there and so we want to see something that's that fits with that's nice streetscape then i think it's more on us since we don't have any specific regulation in place it says if you have to put a if you would block access it must conform to these standards it must look this way or it must go through the pc so that's why i'm saying that that's my point is saying if we want to see something as sort of like the entry point for the whole village center that's a little more attractive than it's going to be on us to do it i don't think we can force him to do something like that before i get just want to make sure in case dad had something unless it wasn't correct no i concur with roge with roge's comments but um you know we got that penny on the facts you know and we're going to do that for to help businesses um beautification of you know the downtown center so i mean i don't want to put a whole lot of money into something when you know we all look at for everyone i think there's there's ways to mitigate the problem to address the issue that i mean i just think barrels with with some kind of um greenery whether it be a uh small cedars or something right there you know as a buffer then you got something that you know doesn't fall off in the winter time it's there year around i mean it's pretty simple to maintain and it's aesthetically pleasing i think that'd be i mean i go buy several of the stores around here you can see them for penny you know without that expensive vibe a whole bunch of cedars and put them in there to be under a thousand dollars the whole thing amber what was uh i was gonna say i i mean i agree with roge and and and i'm still struggling with i yes i i definitely want to see you know if it's going to be something that gets put there that it's nice etc but i'm still it's it's not conforming but it's he's allowed to have it there and and he's actually allowed to use a parking in the front right i mean no no why i i'm sorry i don't i don't know that i mean i don't necessarily want them to but i guess that's what i don't understand too is if we can say you can't have parking there why can't we say you can't have curb cuts there like why you can't take out his curb cuts i mean i i i don't i don't know i don't know that's what i don't see silly i know it's a small amount of money but i just think we're giving money temporarily it sounds like to a private business it just sounds to me like a well i don't think we're giving money to him i think you'd be and again i have no idea of which which even like dan said what dan is saying just some cedars i have no i don't know how much they cost i mean it's something that the village could actually have i mean and move as needed right you know it's not like you know you have to have something that is permanently affixed to that property and i mean no more than like you were saying with construction barrels the public works has barriers that they use at construction sites this is just a different form of barrier that maybe is more aesthetically pleasing maybe that the village can maintain right and utilize as needed in case by case basis so from what i hear it sounds like we have some questions about just the ability for the parking to happen we have some quasi planning commission ish type questions some robin ish type questions maybe but i think we've got some questions that would be helpful to get some definitive yes no this can't happen that would be helpful to have just at least this conversation putting whether a camera cannot happen completely aside and to focus on what we've got in front of us about using the economic development fund for traffic barriers what personally concerns me in addition to the fact of these will be public funds to benefit a private business to not benefit the public by using a process we've never defined when we had this payment tax rate one of the things that we said we would do is we would define what the process is for using these funds we haven't done that and so what has happened is we've had one off request come into the board we said yes this works yes this works we've never then said but what doesn't work so that is another thing that personally concerns me that i think we should address sooner rather than later regardless of what ultimately happens with a merger we should define this and we're going to keep using these funds and so with having a parking barrier in front of to block off the traffic once someone goes through the curb cut goes over the sidewalk that's the landlords and the renters problem right that's not our problem right it's similar to when a car drove through the window of raised seafood the car went through the parking went into the parking lot through the curb cut ran into the building thankfully nobody from what i understand got really hurt is it the municipality's responsibility to make sure that once you're in a privately owned parking lot that you don't do something bad and hurt someone i you're asking me to buy no i'm just i'm putting it out there i i guess since you brought this you brought this to our attention um so i guess is why people looking towards you so for me it's not our problem well i i go in a completely different way you go around the village and you can see these little flags and say sx junction little blue things okay did they did they what did they do do they did they benefit any specific business or do they benefit or are they supposed to add you know when we put flowers up when we have plantings around when we put trash cans and benches around do they are they benefiting any specific business or are they benefiting are we trying to create a sort of an aesthetically pleasing you know village center that's the concept that's that's and in terms of the economic development funds it was specifically left loose because we wanted to have the discretion as a board to identify these things like we did with the parking garage for example some things are highly specific some things we might want to say well you know what it might be nice to have some kind of sandwich board or put some some more benches over in this place if there are funds that are that are at our discretion to spend so i don't think um there's any problem with that there hasn't been a policy and it wasn't it wasn't approved pending or with some specific policy in mind what i'm saying is and again in terms of what happens to a vehicle that goes on to his property obviously i can't say i'm saying again there's a a sort of a a coalition a meeting a joining of our desire to have a a pleasing village center uh like the flags or whatever planters versus it that aligns with his need to block entryway he can block entryway with traffic cones right now he could just get a bunch of orange traffic cones and put them around there is that aesthetically pleasing is that the look that we've been going for over the years in the village center i don't think so we've been trying to where have these discretionary funds that we use to put planters or whatever around and so i'm saying there's there's sort of a meeting of the two needs right there and it's an opportunity for us it it's not it's not we're not necessarily benefiting him in a sense we're benefiting us we're benefiting the entire village center by trying to put something pleasing there as opposed to putting something that looks like it's a construction site that's all yeah so i would i would be behind having public funds go towards making sure that something is aesthetically pleasing now so when we went to st alvin's that was kind of the impetus for creating this fund one of the things that they did is they created a fund where they would go to a they would look at a facade if it needed something they would say you know what we will buy the material if you know they they would say if you want our money you can use our money we won't charge you interest or if we may charge you a small nominal fee to for administration here's the money pay us back over a period of time and if it gets paid back great if it doesn't get paid back it has some kind of a conversation there we're not going i would assume we wouldn't take someone to court for a few hundred bucks i would be totally fine with saying business owner landlord if you want some help with doing something that's aesthetically pleasing we will help pay for it so that way you don't have to pay interest if you need a loan but i don't again it's not our responsibility in my opinion to pay for planters which yes i understand is beautification but the point of it coming up wasn't to make sure the corner is beautiful but came up to make sure that people didn't drive through and create an unsafe situation okay i i wrote what he's been there the whole time and when it was there the curb cut on maple street was blocked by purpose nobody ever came to us and said let's put planters there okay looks good okay now just look at it this way too the use has changed it's no longer an auto repair place where people are pulling in to the vehicle this is gonna be a place where people are going to be eating you know sitting out hopefully you know reacting and enjoying things we it's it comes to safety issue it becomes not saying the onus falls upon the village but it's kind of in in the sense that we were aware of a potential issue and god forbid somebody gets hit while they're sitting out there or some little kids you know whether by somebody pulling there we're aware of an issue that we could have worked with this person to try and mitigate the problem and find i think it's not a big deal i think we can find the way to work through this without you know shelling out a lot of money from the you know depending on the tax way you know and and basically just helping him out if you need some help with that and i think by doing that we'll set an example to other businesses hey there is this because i think there's a lot out there that aren't aware of this so if he needs if we need to use that panium tax rate funding to help front the money and it gets paid back almost yeah exactly or or just a portion of it whatever i would be i would entertain that kind of a conversation that's never been that's that has never i mean you're you're you're suddenly putting a completely different condition on the original tent the original intent was to give us discretionary funds specifically for this purpose it was there's never been a a situation where we spend this money and where someone has had to pay it back that was not the understanding it was our it was discretionary for the trustees to use to force for aesthetic purposes or for opportunities to buy land or to partner with someone it was you know you when we when we proposed it we couldn't we specifically left it open because we couldn't anticipate all the different things the the idea was that it's a relatively small amount of money it's only a hundred it's a hundred and ten thousand dollars a year that was going to be coming in each year we and it would have to be approved by the board and there was never a condition set on it so i i think that if suddenly we're going to say well we're only going to spend this money if the money comes back to us that's a different policy and that that that that creates something a very different situation than what was originally intended to this i i mean i also point out that the whole idea of having this this fund was again specifically to to to specifically do this it wasn't for us to take the money and say hey we're going to spend us we're going to try to keep this and then give it back the idea was people in the village said yes here's a hundred and whatever thousand dollars a year because we want to see improvements made in the village center and we trust you guys to make to identify those opportunities that's in my understanding that was the intent of this the penny on the tax rate so let me back up to the questions i had for a second because some great points have been made and i don't want to belabor this i am trying to figure out being new to this what's the norm and b the the nuance behind why this isn't you know repurposing that you know just a different change of use still why these improvements you know just i just don't know i don't have the experience hammerhouse from the planning commission and everything you know why just a simple change of use wouldn't have triggered conditions on what they were going to do with the parking lot if we're now saying of course you can't park it in but i was parking in the barbecue place was there or when we're rescue was there but now we can't park there um or that well of course you don't want people cutting through so if you're going to redevelop this you need to fix that somehow you don't have to change the curb cuts but you have to block it you know it's part of the conditions for the permit or whatever he's doing you know those are just my i i need to understand that um i don't need to understand tonight yeah no i can't i would i'm mostly just asking give me some examples of why this is normal i've heard some great examples i i don't necessarily i'll just leave it up you know just trying to understand because you know i'd love to buy ten thousand dollar crosswalk markers ten thousand dollars for those you know at four hundred bucks a piece and pepper the daylights out of this walking school zone i'd like to do a lot of things that aren't putting planters on what i consider to be private business property i get what you're saying about the flags and everything else we do a lot of work to make this a um an attractive place to be um so i'm just trying to wait i'm mad that's all i'm just trying to get some examples of why this is normal well why why don't you um ask about the i don't know i don't know why i haven't why i haven't but i will i mean i won't be now as i learn more about this fund the thing i think i just wanted to take it to a different a different level it's not about to get away from the specific thing is that we've been collecting this this fund sunsets i think this coming year um and it's money that i don't think we don't necessarily we shouldn't let it burn a hole in our pocket but it was money that taxpayers said that we're we're designating this for this use um for you guys to make the downtown the village center nicer and we really haven't spent a lot of it i mean we didn't immediately go out i think we've we've accumulated two and a half years worth or something like that and i don't know what happens what sarah is not here i at the end when it sunsets i don't know if it just if it just gets rolled back into the general fund or just it is uh gets put back into a fund balance or what um so my point is is that the community voted this for aesthetic improvements and and things like that around the village center i don't want to say they they expect us to get out there and spend it no matter what but i don't think that this i think this in my mind fits that use i was just going to say i think the answer part of the answer here is in the permit itself and and um we obviously don't have that answer to me so i mean it is part of not belaboring this conversation is can we table this and until we get some additional background yes including looking at the permit to see if there are any specific conditions because i think that might might or might not make some of it i don't see a need that we need to make a decision today and that this can wait it sounds like again we do have the questions that are that need to be answered so if we could have that for our next meeting this is something that could come up in a couple weeks and we can have it then well you gotta go two weeks without without anything over there so i mean it's it's something i think i agree with george that i don't know if we want to wait two weeks to put something but we could certainly put something temporary there um if if we believe it's a we we certainly should work with the owner over the next two weeks to get something to keep that to keep that um if he is indeed concerned as he said he has to our staff we can we can at least in a temporary fashion block it has this has this has this conversation happened with staff at all it is it is my belief that robin has talked to him and i think george has talked to him and um i tried to go i went over there he wasn't there when i went there however when it was there there was a car pulling out um and going across so um i think since the stuff was put on the right on the other side but again then our police want to use that parcel for the mid-afternoon so something needs to be there what that something is hasn't been designed or priced out yet i have the perfect opportunity for this bike racks baby oh jeez no i'm not kidding jake's a biker we just put some bike racks right across the curb cuts literally the width of the curb cuts we talked to the bike walk committee the lord of the dair of some really attractive dair is they're way less than ten thousand dollars and they will solve your problem well i'd say then that's it that's the perfect solution but again yeah you can't you can't say it serves people you can't say to jake hey we insist you to put some bike racks up there but if we wanted to do that and i think that would be great with me then you'd say okay we've got some money if you put up bike if we can put bike wraps up with bike racks we can ask you imagine a portion of it yeah i think it's great if that was a if that was a new uh application coming through you could absolutely ask him to put up could you i i don't i mean i i think in terms of i don't i think there's really two completely different issues here and i don't in terms of the application and the change of views i'm i don't know i mean it's i'm it's because it's a former garage it's like completely different i don't think there's been a situation like this that i'm aware of i don't know so i see we see a few issues one we should get on the agenda sometime to talk about the phone maybe brainstorm over a bunch of different agenda items on a bunch of different meetings where we see that money going because this is just nitpicking this and if it's sunsetting we want to get a plan around it right maybe there is one i have no idea but the second thing is if we're going to spend money on it we should be able to say a little bit about what we want oh you don't have to be completely permanent bike racks that can be bolted into cement and taken out when he comes up with a better idea wants to put a purple up like he's talked about but if we're going to spend 10 grand and we can take them back out and put them somewhere else in the village that i could get behind because we can repurpose them you know planters i think it's a great idea i think bike racks were good that i could get behind because we can use them um but i would love to also see what's going on with the permit it's it is going to take a while to get those out no question if you get a barrier for three weeks to get bike racks and while they're ordered i you know i'm just saying if we're going to do something let's not put planters up let's put something we know we need and the bike walk committee's already talked about trying to find i mean there's two bike shaped bike racks you can get they'll cover two together we cover a curb cut they're 350 each do you want to take do you want to say to him can you we have this idea for putting some bike racks in a place to see if that would work with him i think there goes a few questions whether i think you'd be maybe not every curb cut but i think planters on that side the only thing i'll say is that you know eventually that whole front is going to change we know that right yeah unbolt them and so they could be used somewhere else i mean that's the only thing you want to give whatever you put over there whatever we want to put over there needs to be something that that just like they bolted in the bike maintenance station on the corner of main and rubber i got you you know so they can unbolt it fill in the cement or whatever they're going to do with that allow access for the pd now no pd can jump the curb okay that's the thing where it seems like are they going to park behind has there been any discussion with pd or about the concerns regarding the safety aspect or or fire or anybody about this yes i believe that is and basically the police said we'd like to maintain access but keep people from making that i know so i might make a suggestion if you guys will allow the manager to explore some bike racks and as an opportunity especially since they are portable once they are unbolted um i certainly could have community development and the police work with him on the proper locations and do something aesthetically pleasing with the economic development funds i think that certainly something portable makes sense and let us know what the thoughts are thoughts or do it please reach out to like mica they have plans they have some ideas mica is the chair of the bike walking um just to shoot an email and say we're thinking of this to have suggestions sure please um because he'll they've got that stuff sort of because they hit pocket not to belabor this but i think on the maple street side we want something that's a little bit more movable for our police to get in and out of there on the other side we're going to want something much more substantial it would be a gate right i mean well not right now i mean just something that maybe in the future gets to be part of that design um so even when something happens to the property at the end of that they're gonna still want to park or cruise it i mean there's parking spots right yeah i that's a that's got that's gotta be discussed to how that's at a certain point they're not going to be able to i don't know why he can't but i think the idea i think the idea is he beat the cruiser defines his presence i mean he's he don't just have the officer you have the cruiser there as well i think that's what they're saying yep and how important it is and again we've got a bussing now so i but i what looked at today and there were a lot of kids there's still a ton of kids and i don't think that's going to change this whole half mile around here there's still a lot of kids are still going to walk and accumulate there every day they're not that's not going to change so everybody gathered from your you are looking for an approval right now or for tonight to explore use in purchase of some type of temporary barriers using their bike rack realm um and again if if it's the lead time could be for the who knows who knows what the lead time could be it could be three weeks it could be almost anything but if i have to wait to come back for two more weeks to then have a discussion to then order it so i'm looking for some latitude to to work with community development and the property owner uh you pick the amount um what do people feel i think roger's idea of bike rack is a great idea tell you the truth i mean i'm not for just the standard you know galvanized steel bike rack i went to it painted some colors or something that i can show you something really quick something really nice um what i'm thinking what they're with the bike walk committee was i'm surprised they didn't order one honestly i thought they were and i'm surprised that i i guess they couldn't do it before the end of the budget year um do you have an approximate amount in mind with this year you know you've seen the generic loop ones which is you can do a combination but they were going to get a couple and you're going to laugh but these i saw these all over honolulu austin texas and they look like bikes they'll fit two and three bikes as a rack they're about five feet long one or two across the curb cut covers you and they're not that expensive you can get a custom color they could be junction colors you could have a junction plaque across the wheel i think it would be personally i think it's terrific uh i their medium i think there's somewhere between 300 and 450 so let's let's call it four four of them couple four of them to make sure that we're done so let's call it 2000 yeah you might have to look recharge is in taxes i mean i would i i'm in and around 2000 so so what if we and i know i had the initial questions what if we you didn't spend all of the approved money in the past to go around you didn't spend it all of the village did not spend all of the approved money in the last two rounds right so why don't we just make this motion to do the 10 with the understanding that we really don't have to spend all 10 right just like before i mean we all got creative with not using it all for both projects oh i i just just to move it along or i i have confidence that with evan and robin we're dealing with two of the cheapest people in the uh of the staff so i don't think they're gonna they're not going to do anything i mean i i uh they're not gonna i mean i i don't think they're gonna spend ten thousand dollars i would i would assume like a keep it keep it as simple as possible i prefer frugal frugal one of the most two of the most frugal people so if that's that's the case i we get to work on it tomorrow morning okay well what do you sell but ten thousand is making you uncomfortable or is that too much or you want to go five thousand i can see bike racks as something that is uh not just for one development does not just for the benefit of one one property owner so somebody like bike racks yeah i can see that um ten thousand i don't think we need that you were just able to identify something for a few hundred bucks you know let me just head on to five thousand at an absolute max yeah i mean i'm like racks i understand they can be very comfortable we don't need the cab like bike racks but i think it's you know that's two or less i just don't have you don't know how much space we're talking about yeah so so say five and then we get that we'll get most of it back i don't think it you know he could he could wind up just putting plastic barrels up there in it anyway you know he said no i don't want them or something but then again do we want to say i'll never know you're going to get the bike wrapped we don't care so to i don't think we can control that yeah that's actually the original question right that's gone back or do you want to see permits first before we do well i mean i hear evan's point and and sorry i just stepped up to the restaurant and i missed some of the conversation but i mean i don't necessarily want to compromise safety and and whatnot but i feel like we just had a 45 minute discussion and then came back around to well let's just approve it so i don't to me i feel like i think we need to answer the question and maybe we can you know the questions that have been posed and i love the idea of the bike racks and i think that is exactly what we're trying to do in this district pc hat come back on is trying to make this is a walkable and so and bike and bikeable and so we we want people that's it's awesome well what if we say we we designate the funds to buy those i don't know those exact bike racks or those bike and if he doesn't want them then you know then we have to come it comes back to the table because that's what we want okay that's the kind of thing that we'd like to see if he doesn't like that idea then it comes back to the table we don't buy him anything he has to put up plastic barrels if he doesn't want people driving into his wife and presumably to be installed on the sidewalk now around his driver we have to we have to discuss how that's good we really need to if we are because if it's on this driveway then it's on James property right if we're doing if it's on public right of way we don't need them we don't need the owner if it is on the owner's property we need some type of agreement he's already given us the use of his parking lot yeah so ever is this go to your your question what you brought you brought up yeah i mean i think this i think this i don't know that we've resolved any of those i mean i think we've got great ideas and we've got a lot of questions so i mean i would just somebody can do a motion or whatever and i'll figure it out for me i'll make a motion that we that we appropriate five thousand dollars from the economic development development fund for the purchase of bike racks to be placed on the five the property for firebird cafe may i just add up to five thousand up to five thousand portable portable yes absolutely you can add anything you want well just two motions down so i would i would second the motion that george made are there any questions on the motion and you can always go know if you don't feel comfortable with it i you know i like the idea of bike racks but i'm just saying that that's what we came up roge came with great idea that i'm not saying it has to be a bike rack but if somebody you know comes up with some ingenious idea that's also kind of fulfills the need and something that can be repurposed or you know move i don't think we should be saying you have to have a bike rack right there you know i think there's i can't figure it off hand but so i can tell you the reason why i would vote for this is because it would give us bike racks that we can then ultimately move when whatever development comes through there we can then put a similar spot in the village so this is something that yes we'll be we'll solve a temporary issue but can then be relocated somewhere else when necessary thank you all for indulging the conversation so any further discussion all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye anybody post okay thank you thank you so that moves us on to no you've got your two added oh thank you 5d approved order to avoid the recent decision in order yeah you see that for those at homes and we want to do it quick one minute uh sure um the village in conjunct we see a village in conjunction with v-trans state um state of vermont uh is doing something called the crossing connector we are required to purchase right of way for the new road we went through a public hearing with uh with some landowners uh we uh had a little bit of a snack in that process so uh our legal attorney is saying that uh i think it was about two weeks ago to um discontinue the current process vacate it and then if we decide to come back to re-notice it and go through making sure that all of the eyes are dotted and teas are crossed so this is the legal document that needs to be done for that first phase to be put in the books behind us and then be able to start it again should we need to to anybody have any questions no you want to make a motion to be ordered um so moved all of us so george moved as written second any further discussion all those in favor please signify by saying hi hi everybody post okay five e i'll try this when we talk about this before this is to give that an idea of the ability to sign off on stuff related to the pressing connector yeah on stuff on stuff okay well i simplify yeah um execute agreements related to the present card block anything related to the question um i will i'll make a motion that we uh prove the document the uh we approve the document um authorizing um the village manager and village president to sign uh boy i'm looking for the specific i'll make it yet too uh that that we approve the um resolution authorizing uh this consent of the village of s6 junction this doesn't make doesn't make sense authorizing the chair of the board of trustees or the unified manager to execute any and all agreements on behalf there you go okay i was trying to find that good and any and all necessary and incidental documents et cetera as step forth on agenda item the business II last paragraph wow okay does it matter that it calls you chair in a prisoner i was going to talk to you later that's okay i don't care um so i was started making it so can i can i pull that language into mine or say i'll resend mine and you go with the embers sounds like you're accepting embers friendly i am absolutely accepting embers friendly as the embers also seconded that right ember yep it's totally seconded it works so there's a motion on table four five the e any further conversation on the motion all those in favor signify by saying aye all right everybody opposed okay thank you now we can go back to the center agenda okay anybody want to make a any further discussion all those in favor please signify by saying aye anybody opposed okay thank you green file does anybody have any board member comments one comment um over on south street uh just uh up from park if you're going towards south you're actually just past south fjord say um there's a house that has a whole bunch of sunflower plants in the yard and in the green space between the sidewalk and south street it's on the south side of south street and uh the plant the sunflower plants are in hundreds probably and they totally narrow that sidewalk to maybe one person could walk through there without i would think even one person the plant is brushing against them um i received complaints about them and i think we need to take some action to remove those or take them down they're the village redway the village property i know that when i come across things like that i love c-clip fix i've no more times i've gone around i've had to run around hedges i've taken a picture sent that thing in and within a few weeks something's done about it because people brought up i'm just bringing it up that's what i'm saying likewise i was bringing up the reference to c-clip fix it as a very quick experience option as well just want to say that uh thrilled with the new court configurations and all the work that e-g-r-p and e-p-r are done um in cascaded and park resurfacing the basketball park pearl street adding four pickleball courts in each they look great they're being used like crazy and it's actually really cool to see just an explosion of seniors out there for hours it's really pretty cool they will not give up the court you can put your quarters on the court it doesn't matter but yeah it's really nice to see them working together you know something i want to put out there i'm having spoken with evan or anybody else about this um as budget day is coming up within the next few months something i want to put out there historically what we've done is we've taken a day and we've taken the normal work day to just hammer hammer out to have our first budget conversation meet with village staff um to go over their their proposed budget uh have a conversation to go back and forth um something i want to put out there is we can continue to do what we've always done or we could look at doing something different and doing that instead of taking one day out of the monday to friday doing during our normal meetings and we'll have a couple of additional evening meetings um so that way we don't get behind in the budget process um i'm not looking for anybody to give me any any answers right now which i want to put that out there to think about and then the coming meetings if you have thoughts um we'd love to we'd love to hear it okay you know again being new is there a way that maybe staff or someone can provide a paragraph on how it how it goes what's the process budget budget process you know like how not the nitty gritty but just start to finish what's the process you know like you were saying usually we get together for a day we have you in the department heads and you i'm assuming you go back at some point staff works on it the board discusses it goes back to staff and there's back and forth so i just don't you have to be able to think about that it would be nice to know how it works because i think it's good and it's similar like not a lot of work i also thought i saw a saturday scare a saturday meeting but i could have been making that up which is certainly possible i don't know but no we don't know we wouldn't you know no it's usually during the week it's usually during the week you'd have to have it at a really nice restaurant if you were going to do that okay i'll reread my schedule any other further comments yeah that all right so that will bring us out of the reading file onto 8a sorry to get to this we're having executive session um i'll do this i move that the trustees enter into executive session to discuss the evaluation of public officers employees in accordance with one vsa section 3a 3a 3 and to include the manager and if you if you wish you too and deputy manager okay second and is there any further discussion all those are favor please signify by saying hi hi reposed okay take a brief recess can we just go into the other room it's because it's eight o'clock