 Non-mfati uziwa wazita. Subtite waza mwazita wa Narawizu za tisha fadia. Kufa, msh어fbo, kufu, Kufu. Nini otawa kufu N chair mwaza kwa? Nakhisha tuwa. Maria sumo naot. Nai nye kufu aot na m 했un. Dziwazu niwapi uziwa wazita, hii kenya, uge kwa nao ejiwo, unge bbambogia kuyote, hwa hendi wa onepia. Buna, kuga htisu. Kama wazita uziwa wazita, kua htisiwa mwazita, isuru wazita, Pia Kama Mufika Santorini. You can let us know at the comment section. We'll definitely be glad to know your experience. But I'm being joined love in studio by two powerful gents. And one of them has been here before. He is MC Afri... I don't want to get it wrong. MC Afrika Ana. Is it Afrika Ana? Right here, correct me. I believe it's Afrika Ana. He is a professional MC and founder of his organization. And then just for to guma his tourists and travels expert Karibunisana gentlemen. Okay, thank you. Alright, let me start with you, Mr. Just for to guma. Maybe right now in the 254 even with this economy people really traveling, especially Kenyans. Achenana foreigners, they come and go and sometimes they even... I've seen this, lately there's been an outbreak of like people getting married to Azungus. I don't know if it's an outbreak. But yeah, they come, they get married and then they go outside country. But that's as easy to when you're trying to stay Kenya. Are people really traveling and visiting places? From your experience from, you know, since you also own our tours and travels company by the way. Yes, people travel. Like let's say right now, SGR Easter period. The SGR is already fully booked. Ah, the SGR is fully booked? Right now. Right now. Jesus, okay. And when we check the flight packages, actually it's countable, the flight availability. Right. So that one is a positive indication that people are really traveling. From your interactions maybe, if you can maybe paint for us a picture, who are some of the people that travel mostly? And also maybe the gender zone. Is it males, females, compared to the other gender? Is it more females traveling or it's an equal ratio? From the experience I've had from January. Yeah. And the clients that I've worked with majorly both genders. Both genders. Yeah. Though ladies are coming in the competitive range. Yeah. Eh, ma demo travel sana. Hey, hey, hey. Apuwa wuja danganya. But also in terms of, let's say now the structure, maybe age, are these students a working class, a little bit middle, you know, aged pali, or you know, not to travel sana. Our student type of travelers, local travelers, yeah. Local travelers, if I categorize it with the, let's say the quotas of the year, right now the working class are traveling. Oh, it's more of a working class. Right now it's more of a working class. Our students will begin later maybe from April. Ah. But this is a holiday in Mexico. Yeah. I thought maybe families will be more. Like mother, son, father, daughter. Eh. Amayoni during December mostly. Yeah. Maybe early January, December to August. Oh, early January to December to August. Yeah, yeah. Alright, okay. Interesting insights. What about you, MC Africana, right? Okay, thank you. MC Africana? MC Africana. Yeah, so I just want you to get straight into the question without saying anything else. Do you think penyans are traveling? Yes. And have you traveled yourself? I have. Many times actually engaging on team building. I travel a lot. So, so, and manga. Just making sure that we engage through the team building activities. But I don't say that they travel like before. You know, before the tour companies were having a lot. Just a lot of bookings and all that. But I think due to financial constraints, the economical situations in the country having a thousand shillings is nothing at this point. So, I really feel the moa, the dollar is just rising, the moa, we are really feeling the pinch. So, if I just say that the culture is still there, that traveling is, or just touring around is just there. It's still there. But the point is, it is not like before, where we could see a lot of, maybe even in these road to Masaimara, you could just see a lot of tour events. Yeah. After I told me you've been at Masaimara before. Yeah. How is it there? Is it a place you'd like to collect your fellow friends when they tell? People should go there. The first thing I love about Masaimara is that it is very natural. No modifications. Things are very real. If it is a lion, it is a lion, you know. I think... So, you mean in other places it's not a lion? You go to another place, instead of seeing the lion itself, you're just seeing maybe a carving. Oh, a carving. I get now. That's the point. Yeah. When you come to Masaimara, I think it's a lion. Because it's possible. I don't know if you've seen those two meme videos where a dog in a quadrastica got a lion, but see a lion. There was just a meme where someone had paint a dog to be like a tiger. I guess it was in Kericho. Right. The dog has been running around people, running anyway. Easily scarce people. Yeah, sure. So, I really feel like people should visit Masaimara. When you really want something very natural, you want to just get in touch into the natural world, just feel how beautiful the universe is. I will just prefer Masaimara. The beautiful dances. You can just feel like you know I'm an African. That's why it's my best place. I want to visit soon again. Right. Okay, before we get back to you, a lot of people underestimate the experience of exiting the city and just having a different mindset. I find it therapeutic for me when I exit Nairobi and I go to a different place. Away from the chaos of walking hard, being on TV or just being caught up in the miyazma and the minutious of like hey, you walk on TV, you finally exit the city and you're not talking about anything about Nairobi or going the interiors and the environment is purely organic. A lot of people underestimate that, but it's mentally reliving. I think there's this place in Kajiado. Ikonama and then it's super dry, but there's other parts of the Fuga. Is it Kondo? But it's a mix of horses again. They have sheep. They have a mix of both animals. And just that environment of wild animals and the people who totally are not in touch with technology and the noise of the city, who? Super therapeutic. A lot of people underestimate that. Ya, sure, sure. People really feel like, there are some people who are really hooked up into the city. That's their life. Someone who may be born in a ghetto, life here in Kamezuya too, just being like seeing the hooting of cars and all that. But as a professional MC actually, I can advise people to engage on tip-building activities. I mean just when we are going maybe to Susua, you are going to Namanga, just once in a month. Namanga is mentioned a lot. Did you mention Namanga as well? No, I think it's you had mentioned that. Ya, actually. Why did you go to Namanga? Because I've been there. It's because I wrote a trip. Alright. At the end of the day we engaged. That's out of Nairobi, you know. Ya, ya, ya. You can see new things, engage even with new people because sometimes it's maybe different people. Ya. I think many people underestimate it. They just see it like, you know, it's just waste of money and all that. Namanga, I could just even do these and all that. But I think engaging in road trips, engaging in just, just even not even if it's going to a national park or wherever it may be, just getting out of Nairobi. Ya. You can go to maybe Limuru, even Muranga. There's a time I went to Muranga, I used to work for, I used to work, but there I used to work in a court. So, me in me fanya, but it was a low summer. So, me was there, I was in Kashinda. I'm playing. But ya, I was working at a court and I was filing a case. So, it was my first time in Muranga. And the landscape itself was really therapeutic. I love the way it's tilted. Away from Nairobi and the tall buildings and the noise. Oh, good lord. It was just, it was soothing. So, you know, just a quick visit to a place. It changes your mind, it makes you feel good. Ya, ya, sure, sure. Let me come back to you, Mr. Josford. Now from you as a facilitator who meet and interact with these people. Do you ever sometimes handle clients who are like, yes, and you have an end-day holiday destination, but I feel like I'm not getting value for my money. But then also, I'm looking at it from a point of somebody who is just having a bad day. And if you work in customer service, definitely you meet people who are having a bad day and they're likely to unleash that on you. But then you have to maintain your cool and be professional and be like, hey, you know what, I'm not the one causing your problems. Me, I'm just here to facilitate. I understand maybe I could not or maybe I can't fulfill your expectations, but this is what I can offer. But then how do you handle that as a facilitator now? Actually, now, that is even the main reason why I began Jabit Adventures. Okay. So, you say it's Jabit. A J? J apostrophe H, then J and then Habit. Or like from Ja, Ja Rastafara, I say you Ja. Ah, no, no. Just single J. Oh. So actually, in France, I'm trying to get it. So, in French, J stands for I, then Jabit live. That is me. It was, actually it was derived from, I live from, let's say habitat. All right. Yeah. So it's Jabit, meaning I live. So, the slogan that it came up with is from me to, let's say, give it the name, Jabit Adventures, was to give life meaning through adventure. Oh, wow. I get the creativity. Who? Are there people who are still creative in Kenya? I can only imagine the level of like researching to come up with such a word. But anyways, is the word manifesting, is the name manifesting? Yeah, it's manifesting. Okay. So, let's say that having a client, in most cases you can have a client who wants to go for a vacation or a destination. Yeah. But because of the, they are the hectic life. Yeah. They can even end up saying, canceling everything at the last minute. And how do you deal with the consolations? So, actually we have the policies that deal with the consolation. Actually, now the policy is to make the, it's also another idea to plan to motivate the client to continue the trip. Yeah. So as to, know something, at times they can just come up out of something, just comes up and they cancel everything. Yeah. So to give them the reason why you had booked it. Yeah. Because most people tend to forget at times that vacation is meant to give you life or to expand your lifespan. Yes. Oh, okay. It's not just a... See, it's going to have fun, Urudi, Metrocacost. That exposure, that different experience is what is motivating people to, actually it should be motivating you to change everything. Disconnect and just come back rejuvenated. Come back rejuvenated. Yeah. Because they say that at times when you find a person depressed and should I say that I'm sorry to get into that topic but... Yeah, sure, sure. Get into it. Go deep, go hard. So actually most of the people that are at times depressed is actually being the real reason is because of the continuous experience of the same things without having a change, a different experience or a different perspective which has to get the solution. So now adventure rather taking a vacation will give you more reasons or rather now for you to have more reasons to live, to enjoy life. So actually it will give you another face of you not take a marrying. You say, could take a marriage or your life stay Yeah, like things can get better. You will get money. You know, nice, that's a nice point. You know, sometimes you can get so used to being you know, stressed and depressed and that continuous patterns of things not going right. Like it becomes your thing. So having a break from it a little bit you're like actually there's a time there's a friend who we visited we visited anyway, take a mention your company because it's a competitive station as well. It was in Kilelesha. So when we cut to the plus this girl was shocked that this is a plus in Nairobi and people are living life driving the best cars because the life he's seen and the water he's used to hakuamini. So literally visiting places changes your mind sometimes and you grow mentally. Oh yes. From what you used to. From what you used to and that is why also we have packages that actually will facilitate in building and also let's say it's more of a campaigning when we get to associate with organizational corporates and give them the reason because actually managers or rather supervisors have the challenges of encountering people without knowing what their colleagues are going through. So when we give the facilitation or a package that will favor the organizations in building activities so we make sure that our facilitator does his best. Actually the new experiences and also enabling the let's say the manager and the team or the supervisor HR and his team they get to tag along because at times HR or managers tend to deal with the people who actually don't see the other side of the HR. They always think that HR is too agitated too rigid they actually don't they have never seen the HR smiling and if they get another person telling do you know that HR normally smile they tend to wow really we have never seen HR smile So actually this let's say this team building and also the vacation is meant to give people the room to desire to travel more. We are nice still on you do you feel like travel is expensive? Domestic travel because I believe international travel I mean like exiting Kenya or maybe going to like Zanzibar or Tanzania or something literally outside Kenya you have to spend quite amount of cash as well if you are going either way see do you still use see water travel do you still use water travel to exit? Yes but I am yet to find out like the neat gritties of it mostly in the flight now SGR but SGRs ESK Uganda Kenya and Uganda I don't want to get into that anyways but mostly people spend money to exit outside country but now domestic traveling is it expensive? Amit is affordable Amit goes with the economy especially right now I remember there is a guest of tours and travels as well I interviewed him Ali Jan Ali said they are they are asking and they are pushing for the president to lower Zenitwaje parks parks prices parks especially parking sometimes sometimes even taxations a guest et cetera so is it cheap or now or it's expensive Amit it fluctuates like it goes from a little bit affordable to high like it keeps on fluctuating actually in the world of adventure there is 3 seasons the high season the low season and also the medium the peak season which is also high but also there is this medium season so it tends to fluctuate it's not always constant but right now what is the state of travel the state right now let's say it's medium it's half people are travelling and not travelling and because of what what makes it half actually know that we are just from December so people are still picking up also school is also here those are now some of the challenges that making people know how to travel much but I believe let's say from mid-march mid of this month from this week now it's going to things should be resuming things should be resuming and Easter is in April Easter next month actually it's the end of this month at the end of this month hey, my name is Moos and I am a child Easter in April actually you are not only the only person who is having that name I also it also shocked us we as the facilitators and also this because we are used to Easter being mid-April early April but to our surprise this year oh kumam not wrong okay but to our surprise this year it turned out to be from 29th to 31st this is a leap year by the way yeah let me go back to you MC African you know there's this facade that's the only place you can travel to is Mombasa actually Otoengini usha ifika Mombasa usha actually I asked you and you said you've never so I'm not surprised though but I'm a little bit surprised because it's usually like the most common place a lot of people visit do you feel like we need to dislocate that mentality of like the only place I don't as a visitor and you still be fine you're working you can go to a kibanduski and chill and you guys mta donjo ilambaya usha I think the mentality has to just we have to change the mentality because that's where I've never gone to Mombasa because I'm capable why haven't you do you feel like you're missing something do you feel like you're missing something if no you're cool I'm cool I prefer even not to visit hey man please ensure you visit I think I think I've been to Kisumu severally Dunga beach it's because it's my I love the way those people the Hoangla just sitting there you just listen to their benga those music I always love where things are very natural no Mombasa things are kind of modified trying to modernize really I love I love the nature the natural way nature should be and that's why you were saying about just people not just seeing Mombasa end goal you can just visit very beautiful places they is in Kericho actually we have the biggest plantations very therapeutic walking just nature just walking a very silent green and a very tamak road is a place where it's tamak the tea farms ya can imagine it's like a movie and sometimes it's cold it's usually extremely cold actually the weather in Kericho is cool the point of you can imagine how we always watch a movie people walking as the drone is just running that's the point it's therapeutic to the eye as well ya so I think there are many places in Kenya where people should visit see Mombasa to pick up ya and that's why it has intrigued me to in future of a traveling company ya you also want to join his industry ya I'm coming you have a network sitting next to one ya it's because of I've been into team building much of my career and have visited a lot of places and I really felt that you guys once you just utilize well the capability your potentials you can really you can really unwell I know there in every career in everything you do there is always the the challenges but I really feel like I can not buy someone to visit I mean to venture into traveling company the tour and all that because many people nowadays the many of us due to the the things you pass through emotions depression stress the only thing a person will think obviously like let me get out of Nairobi we'll take him or her so it's you who are the company ya I guess it's something that is getting a trend because nowadays for you to maybe go to see in Kapo you need an agent to lead you to a guide and all that so I guess we should just get away out of the mentality of Mombasa is everything I'm not saying it's bad at the end of the day those people have gone there been telling us the stories when I was young people could just go to tours and to be easier I don't know why I used to pay 2000 to come and see the KICC because if there is those people have been into town and be like I never used to pay but you know but then it used to mean so much remember it's a monument and it's a historical place even parliament it's historical, it's monumental so it literally helped you in history you will have to say because what you're doing in life the math is not math in Kapusa ya but anyway I really feel like we should just visit those very beautiful places I guess you can just draft it from those tours you used to go when you were in high school primary school they like Bogoria Nakuru those beautiful places I want to go to Nakuru and not Nakuru Turkana I like Turkana ya really feel like Turkana is the best place to go because like Turkana is it a salt water lake salt? no fresh ya it's fresh ya because your history comes into play I want to just go there because I really feel like we learn a lot I had a friend who he will never I guess never use a toothbrush because he said natural toothbrush I really feel like I can interact with them and just click click ya ya those cultures and all that Mombasa you just go they you know tarab and all that at the end of the day but going to Turkana I'm just trying to to imagine where people can just go and at the end of the day come up summed up objectives and achievements and maybe coming home as a change man coming home with not the mentality of everyone is using a toothbrush or maybe everyone is just doing this everyone is wearing you can go to Masain you really feel people are still in shukas ya ya ya and that will change your mind that you must not always be in a suit or suit and tie ya so that too the way you are here in Nairobi ya ya ya because you are in a house in a bed seat two depressing man life before maybe there is also have you ever been to maybe the tunnels railway tunnels I went to one in Fortenan if you have ever had the Mombasa no no ya nia Kisumu nia Kisumu County it has the tunnels Forti Jesus Forti Te ya so I will advise people to go to places where things are natural it's a tunnel of 100 years it is or a rock like in Kakamega kuna kwanganae rock in Atoa Machozi so you come over in Aliyah kainstona anyone who has ever heard of the kainstona ya ya bad word it's also a tourist destination I saw Edith Kimani from DW there's a time she actually it's last month she did a documentary for DW Dushawele the Germany a broadcaster where she visited there and they were trying to look at the historical the historical record of how it has changed and how technology has also changed in terms of the animals that were still there the forests the types of trees some of them have faded so part of that nature literally it's super therapeutic ya sure sure sure let me come back to you now from an expert's point of view are there places that people underestimate that you know sila zima wende bombasa just then from what you've noticed in your ecosystem of work are there places people underestimate but really you can really have a ball in there okay ya there are so many places that people underestimate apart from bombasa and also medjali let's say the nearest place to be Longonot hike and Lekne Vasha boat ride that will give you the the overall view on how the hike is and so actually this Saturday I hosted a trip to Mount Longonot hike Lekne Vasha boat ride we are yet to upload the photos that place is very good you also get to experience the gali fish the fresh fish I'm liking the gali fish my fave at affordable rates affordable rates let's say from 500 shillings you enjoy it together to the fullest takula the Luya style actually you can also see how fish is being prepared directly from the lake to being rusted off she come as a fish when you do those attempts to eat Samaki sponge Adi you are importing fish from China Adi school Kenya to kuna kama kum even abarutu na toa Samaki China never understood actually she allow me to brush it off okay sir I never understood fish from China let's say go ahead you are allowed say it say it like you mean it that story according to me let's say it was just bad topic to keep people engaged so it was not true I doubt that the reason why I say it was true there's a time we went during my graduation with my dad before he passed on it was a very huge big fish so kilam tuwa kuna nili kula kota ilini shinda it was tasteless and then that time kuna stories around those lines that kuna samaki zime toa kachana and it was a big story it was even covered in the news headlines for long so I'm like eh saa abasi kama tumeshunga kufish apa atako a sewage but the last part it wonakongana fish pot I saw that by the way wakongana fish pot atako a sewage but definitely na kula namju I'm laying in Paul relax na kula fish but yeah true fish is a kind of a ruby zime toa place so kichunguza jatoka kisumu nila so to say me wuki angalia e mambo ya from my culture they say deluo culture they also say there is this phrase wuki chunguza wili kukuna tengenezu tengenezu tengenezu tengenezu so to kikiu perspective let's just say kusichunguza e wiki tengenezu kusi kuna stories a cabbage kuna sporiza skuma kuna watu na sama kuna skuma flanil koena wuzo ima toka sewage ii mewa like okay saa and then they say it's the healthiest kovanda kikunguza wwujulu kansani kusupu sikote hii parmarke tzili wo taziyona na jukunda ko yoko kirugitena kuo topic na juk anda ko yoko kirugitena ko yoko topic nani maji inyupuna ko isyubuna majo nuna na moji ismahji ismahji ismahji ismahji kumuna ismahji ismahji kushi kusugi makimforun kishi ismahji ii mere tab kini kisumbu eni tab basin general kini kisi ismahji ismahji ismahji So we can't afford to refill anything, you have no choice, buy waterget? So I shall ask that.... I wish we refilled water to have used Yeah that's another one, this thing has issue The good thing is that tea is too much boiled It happened to my limit It's a big topic Do people trust, I think it's Nawasko on Zawasko It's something water in a distribution usho no more. Takawani ishiwa ya, kufisha na kusho ni kanjiwa. Ya, kufisha na kufisha wnei na kusho stara na kufisha matandoku nisha na htu kutunata ni hilazakia no na kiziktu vinaida k marchinga no pata kwa wana lua. Na pama kama kama, kakimu kwa kouhana karahisha kuwa. kajakitu wakilisa? Kwa wana mali? kumpisa kwa wana kajina nisha na kufisha nisha na mura? kia kufisha nisha na kujulia.we didn't ni Nairobi,but the most common one is Nairobi national park nai inenakwa ka ni giraffe mana ni ni wendangak na Kulisha giraffe Giraf centre,karen dato ni is also good but also we have other places within Nairobi so we have the last village we have.....in Limur we have Burudani Adventure Park it has also wild animals no actually it's not medj dziliyo ya k moisturea, k courtesya, junto watu w everything up, but also with the training activities, refreshment, the higher hopes, the experience, but now if we come back to the wild animals ni aerobi, must still be taking bad, it still takes a lot of the leadership because it's giving you more experience of the lifestyle of the animals that we have, but can you see it is bad, If I say but, I'll take you to Masimaru now where you have the general view of it because Nairobi, the last time when I went to Nairobi National Park, I can say the animals want that much, they were scarce, let me say they are scarce according to the round trip that I did experience. So actually it forced me to now come up with a package now that in marketing Nairobi National Park for the experience actually so has our to generalize everybody, we have a day trip to Nairobi National Park that's on Saturday and Sunday for 3000 shillings that is via Land Cruiser that for half a day you can experience Nairobi and also get the animals but if you are also interested to go to Masimaru, I have a package that is suitable, we include this and transfer the park fees and also 2 days, I mean 3 days and tonight's experience in Masimaru that is a 2 days game drive of the 12a Nora Land Cruiser. So with 20 days at maximum or let me say at minimum you can experience Masimaru, Violent Cruiser, 2 nights experience and also if you want to use a 12a at 18 days you can adventure Masimaru to get the maximum experience and also the actually now the culture, the Masai culture that is still existing so has not to brush off the culture that is giving the Kenyans a good exposure. Is it a 1 day experience or 2 days a week or it can even take longer? To Masimaru. Yeah, any of this destination because I know for Nairobi of course it was in Lalako but yeah I know there's some hotels around. Yeah, there is. Even partly KWS they have hotels. Yeah but yeah some of this is like when I end up in Rudi when I'm at Toka, I'm in Lalako. So those are the do camping and tenting like you camp and make a makeshift tent and you guys get to sleep there which I feel like I'm not buying into that especially places where there is no line. Yeah. Do you know that people also get to experience the kongheels and also camp there? Yeah so therapeutic too as well. Yeah so let me say according to us we do advice on how well are you packed so because we can tell you to go to Nairobi National Park yet all you wanted to do was just a half day trip. So if you want to want somewhere where you can't spend a night now we have to spread wider and also let's say we also have a package that is 5 days for nights. Masimaru. 5 days for nights. Yeah that is a package from Masimaru, Liknakuru and Naibasha. Approximately how could that be costing? Around 38 Gs, 38 K, 38,000 let me say like that. That's a 5 days experience. That can take me to Mombasa for 2 days. Actually. You can say a flight up because flight is around 10,000 depending on the availability of flight. Because also like right now the flight is congested so making it. Is it flights ama aizia? The one you said it's fully booked? Aizia is fully booked also flight is also competitive. So you can do safari link okay. Ehakonezi kamaaf like 540 and the rest. 540, 748 which are now. Jamba jet. Right now. 8Q a little bit expensive. Can I refund please? Because 748 are yet to open. They are closed 540 the same. Is it the one Akote was launching? 748 the one from Nairobi to Kisumu. Ama that's a new one. That one is a new one. This one is Akote launching. That one is a new one. Okay. But 540 is still closed. 540 is closed? Yeah 540 and 748. We even have the orange logo. Yeah the orange logo. Okay. Yeah yeah. So let's say for flight we have safari link that is still active. We haven't got accident last week. Yeah but actually it was just but a breakdown with no casualties let's say like that. Okay. Yeah yeah. So we still have flight but competitive. Since now people are now heading back to tourism. Yeah. Because we have available slots to go but though minimum. So you will tell us towards the end how people can get to 5Q and get to experience your business. But then also when you look at the way Kenya is marketed. I remember one of the guests that I interviewed here earlier in the beginning of the year. Earlier in the beginning of the year. Oh we are still in the early beginning of the year. Literally I think mid-jan. I look on the same. The way Kenya is marketed even in terms of tourism and that whole ecosystem. It needs to be a lot that needs to be done especially when we talk about our local. Especially domestic travel. Do we market local travel destinations. Do we talk about them even. I'll mention I remember you mentioned even including them in TV and radio programming. And if you look at some of the most marketed wild destinations. South Africa has the best even in terms of digital advertisements on TV on radio. And even the films. The way you mentioned story are drawn running and just giving you a wide shot. Or an establishing shot of the nature and the serenity and the beauty of the land. Do we do that as well here in Kenya. Live alone even in Kenya in general. In Bungoma do we market Bungoma as a holiday destination. Do we market Mombasa. Do we packaging. Do we talk about it. But then also I believe the political structure has a huge massive effect when it comes to some of these things. Who is the Cabinet Secretary of Tourism and what is she or she doing about it. Some of these people are not experts. They were just thrown in there because they have experience in other political spaces. Just cashing in money and people like you that need to be funded and even get to international platforms and get to even talk about your businesses and how you're changing lives. You will not because the punts are always there. First of all has no idea where they are. But they are cashing over 10 million every month. So you look at some of the problems you are facing now in terms of even marketing our local tourism. Yeah that actually can say that is some of the major challenges that most tour agents or tour experts do experience. The lack of exposure and also the fund to market the destinations. But if we put that one aside also our own people, the Kenyan people should also embrace the idea of adventuring just to take a step outside the places that they are used to. Because if we want to measure too much on another person without taking our own responsibility so it's not going to favours as individuals. I'm not trying to defend any person but putting the right thing on the table is that if I have no interest in adventure, so I want to explore these places but if I take a step like my colleague Ms. MC Africana if I'm allowed I can erase the mentality that coast or Dubai Actually it usually cost Dubai na ila zanziba. Even though it's a neighbouring country but yeah please stick to Mumbasa pier. Because actually if I say that yes zanziba seems to be a magnified face of Mumbasa It's like pro max and then mini pro max and then pro pro max. So the culture to visit the coast is similar to zanziba. But the experience may turn out to be very different. Because of the money because I believe zanziba is part of Tanzania. The current is a little bit low so you can spend less and keep your money and still come back rich. Yes you can still come back rich if you are well packed but also you can come back rich if you are well packed. I see what you are doing. But also you know if we let's start with the Mumbasa you know that actually we as two experts we have come up with a way of ask ourselves marketing the cultural or rather the nature to adventure within Nairobi with the well package but you know so even if we put it to be free like the previous time the parks were said to be free not that not everybody got to explore the parks let's say the bombers not everybody because they interest. People don't have that interest to explore because they just think that life is all about a one face what am used to. They don't want to give themselves the chance to look at it from a different perspective. So I'll add most of we as Kenyans not just the youth or the nine to the is it nine to five? Yeah it's nine to five. Yeah the employment. Let us just say that at times it's because actually I believe when we are writing our CV we have our hobbies where we indicate swimming, traveling but we don't put it into practice. Right. Right. Maybe you've traveled from the hobby to kizumo. That's really traveling. Yeah that is traveling. Maybe you travel very often so still practicing the hobby anyways. But now I'm saying that we engage the group because we remove the mentality that people are bad because you only say that people are bad because you have not experienced it with another person. Exactly. Yeah. So now embracing the culture of adventuring locally it will give you the motives that people are not what you actually see. Or people are not the same. People are not the same. I can only imagine if you visit Ireland today and just see how they eat. China they eat snails. You go to do not which country they have some types of frogs and snakes they eat. Right. And for you you are stuck here in your kani shatani. You chur as you need it. And even the spiritual limitations that we have and the religious limitations yes we pakili kukurosa subui. Sikiakima spoila. There's places people are eating carts, it's food. So exposure is the best teacher. Yeah exposure is the best teacher. And that is why I still like my brother here. Take your time to visit Mombasa. You can't consult me. Right. Even if it's hosting you I get to host in the studio. Just don't experience in Mombasa. I'm up to task. Right. That's a good challenge. But also sometimes also visiting places is not just like getting out of the house and travelling to coast. You can even walk to a kibandaski. According to our question of the day by the way. Now when they placed kule food in a slapmbaya. There's a time when I was at the radio africa group here. There's a place we used to eat up on Yuma lion place. Okay. And I said yes. And Mark said before the other side. I think said you're going to sound city. Just up on Yuma market anyway. But it's a kibandaski. So we used to go there to eat. We used to go there. The chapati in Yuma there was slapping very hard. And it was so sweet man. And it was affordable. And that place actually half of us still go to Nendapo. I'm pretty sure till right now. There's still people who go there to eat. Chapo in Yuma and it's very cheap. I think it was 100 buck. Chapo mbili na beef na mboga apahit kati. And then I remember that they used to give us. I think it was fruit salad. Yeah. Mixed jack. I think it was watermelon. Nandizi. Tato mezi chop. So that was a sport. So if it got 12, everybody is already there. Everyone. And that's interesting. Literally. What do you think of that? See, Lazima would travel. You can go to a place and still have fun right here. Okay. I think you've touched on a very powerful point. There's a place I always eat. Now people once they see you, that celebrity thing, they don't expect you in a kibandaski. Oh okay. I change the mentality and I say don't want to just see myself. Or do you say you got TV so I could expect to put you up? Yeah. Okay. Actually I've been an MC for long and maybe I have a little following and all that. The point is going to a kibandaski. Going with your friends actually, 5, 6, 7. You'll just feel, you know, I call it kwa mawe kwa mawe. The food at Rula is amazing. At a cheaper price. Before maybe I just rushed to point to my good friend was just talking about how we market our country in terms of tourism. Let's take for example Abu Dhabi. They're using Manchester City. How many people in the world were watching yesterday that much? Yes, it's much, yeah. Millions. At the end of the day, the Abu Dhabi was just running there and at the end of the day you have to support it. Yeah. And they have flight Emirates in collaboration. Yeah. I remember they have an Aden CNN that I think it's usually run by Eleni Jocos when she visits different countries like Fanya, the best tourist destinations in the world. And that's why Kenya is just, we need to just pull it up your socks. Those socks our English teacher used to say. Let's go to Rwanda. Rwanda, they're using, they have affiliation with Arsenal. Oh, they're in collaboration. Yeah. Visit Rwanda. You know, Amzungu will be like this one. And it's on the jazz, it's some of this class. And imagine how many people are wearing those jazz in the world when they are playing, how many people are watching. And you know it is Rwanda. Rwanda is not an English word. Someone is like Rwanda. What is this? This is Rwanda. Going to just see what's Rwanda. Oh, those are very cleanest countries in Africa. That's how I think people should, Kenya I mean, not even people. Kenya. Kama sisi kasarani pekiakili tu, Shinda kuku zibatu na shimo, players wachez, enemies. 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I'll start with you, Jeswat, because people can get to also book your business and get to enjoy Promoal platform, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all at Zabit Adventures and our contact is 0704-336-951 and you. Cool. Okay, thank you, Bran. My name is Eric Cheryot, MC Africana Professional MC. I'm the CEO of the events Kenya. We deal with events, team building, corporate events, Roshio weddings, birthdays. I also am a student leader, I do mentorship. You can find me on MC Africana, on all social media platforms. You can call me maybe for bookings on 0793-59-42-32, 0793-59-4232. Thank you. All right, you guys thank you so much. I think this has been a riveting conversation. Indeed. And you are here for the third time or the fourth time? It's my home actually. Now you found a home that's away from home. Yeah, sure, sure. But I wish you guys the best of luck in everything. I can't wait to see you at the top. Thank you. All right, that's what we put up close to it by the way. 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