 So, it's great to see you again. As you know, we've been in self-goage with D.B. Chang. We actually just got back from the EBS. We've been talking some of it. I think I've hit a lot of people. We did want to share just a little bit of an update on what we're doing. I think we'd like to just keep you and George, such a big fan of your work. You know, you're a legend. And that's the Europe of Reason Why. I myself, you can also be part of it. Some of the Taiwanese, half our team is, John, is living in Taiwan for three years. But he was essentially in your relationship to the Taiwanese future. We have two Taiwanese. The first Taiwan never came here before. I remember when you spoke at the E-Type-A, when it came to AI, and the initiatives, and should we be computing, and should we be computing, and the IRT sensors. You know, it's pretty fascinating, full vision. We'll have to see what's actually happening as it's really critical. We've heard that Taiwan is doing a good push to identity. That's right. So, we've been working on it, and I've done any product as well. So, yeah. And speaking of Vitalik, which is a form-making foundation, it's already a good exchange foundation, which Vitalik himself is working on. So, I guess we're going to start with that. Oh, yeah, that's one. Yeah, and also, playing live. And also, I think, Daniel Allen, so for Atlas Blue, very soon, wrote out the regular exchange, you know, kind of for dialogues and things like that. Because I think there's a strong push, especially over the past year, between the economists, which is going to lie, lies some of the more kind of mutable economics, and market the science into the science of one, to a more traditional economic way, in terms of political economy. And Vitalik is also, himself, very interested in that. And so, yeah, I think it's a really good match between the more traditional political economy fields, as well as the more innovative, like, and distributed electric innovations. Yeah. It's a really good practice. That's wonderful. I would love to learn more about that. That's really cool. Here's the fantastic question. So, yeah, we'd love to just give you a quick demo of what we're going to work on in self-mode. This first page is, and everything is not fully decentralized here, because a lot of it is, you know, people's nonsense. But we do have a huge emphasis on what we call unity idea. I think. And we hope that the unity idea will be, kind of, like, a master of accountability at your idea. Is it decentralized identity? Yeah. And as we, as you know, as we spoke about before, we plan to, well, right? Yeah. So, I'm going to just make a quick count here. So, first step is to check the availability of your actual user. So, one thing about blockchain is, you know, it traditionally hasn't been actually very usual. Yeah. So, we're trying to map your ideas to your public key, and during this procedure, of course, this is not a good account. You would be able to connect your ID ID to your account and be able to log into this application with your email account, or your ID ID public key. So this first page here is actually to show your account is available, your username is available, your ID key is available, and you're actually producing public property for you. Okay. So, this first page here, this is actually built in React and HTML2. This is, you know, sort of a lot, like very much a lot of projects. Now, the idea of this first page is basically a dashboard to begin with. So, these are your assets that you can do along with ELT. Perhaps you can cross chain assets. We intend to do interoperability by leveraging, basically, key management and other English. So, one thing that's special about our network is that we intend to utilize a certain hash table. And so, that means you can have multiple media files. We think a network that has consensus with distributed storage and also identity is necessary in order to actually do public smart contracts and to do more interesting things. So, in addition to decentralized oracles, so-oracles are becoming more and more important and people are realizing that. So, suppose that these photos here that you're looking at, these are actually uploaded to, what's interesting is, you can actually choose. You want this to be uploaded to your drive so you can cloud or to the street hash statement. The key is anything we upload is automatically encrypted to the fighting files. So, in a year, this would be an example of your Google Drive documents. And, you know, we would like to figure out the economics and such that we would be able to get new users free storage space. This here is just a snapshot of, perhaps, like a... maybe perhaps the one that's reopened to this office here with me, with the development committee, someone might make an integration with their fit. And maybe someone might be able to track their steps, their sleeping, their weights, any other health-related information. The key here, this is actually purely a walk-up. The key with this here is we want to indicate that applications that are not necessarily blockchain can have the blockchain enabled and primarily by being through integrations and authentications, right? And, of course, we have the visual assets so they can do different cryptocurrencies, et cetera. So, now, I mentioned earlier that we want to have this to be human-readable. So, these aliases, we want to enable to, like, source that John has to make known. I'd like to send John some graphs of units in our internet or our call units. I'd like to send him through his vision or his alias. I'd also be able to... we'd like to integrate with this code or call event, or write that I am and go and source chat platforms. And to be able to actually use these aliases to add input to chat, and just to have this all made so that this here is kind of your profile. This is the beginning of it. This is where you actually manage what are called your DID documents and these relate to your identity. So, this is installed yet you can actually see that we have basically some rudimentary beginning of, basically, your public key, your DID documents which are more or less different pointers to other things and other assets that may exist on different chains. We may not even make this on a chain, but, you know, so there's... this could be in a certain case. This could be a degree. A degree, yeah. The one of the major aspects of what we're going to do is you just don't necessarily get input. And, in fact, you can almost think of this user interface as just a way to organize that data. And we hope that in the future other people have to be scan this and that once you organize it, it's actually going to be stored in a lot of different databases. Some might be in the lab, some might be in your hard drive, some might be elsewhere, but this could be a place where you can pull it all together. What we'd like to demonstrate next is, well, I do want to share this here. Right here, notice that these fields and we also have this tab here is called My Circumstances. So, we want to kind of explore this idea of mining your own data. We basically take a bunch of personality quizzes, all these different things, and start to get a few minutes just to read you on your site. In such a way, though, that we actually don't compute the data ourselves. What the sense of doing is it gives you all these data points, right? One thing that we decided would be really interesting to see is if we could take existing data from our social networks from your existing fingerprint or footprint online, and with all purchases, PayPal, etc. and then try to pre-populate some of your preference data from our data path, which would make sense. Now, we're actually currently working on it right now from this moment, but we have the ability to just not work in the demo of Path of Smoke but it was working like last week. This is often like that. You can actually upload your Facebook, Facebook, Facebook and profile. Facebook has a lot of information on it. Every slide you've ever made or your comment you've ever made is all recorded and you can actually download it. Some of it isn't really relevant, but certainly the fan pages and pages like the fans and music, all that stuff that you've liked over the years is there. You can actually upload that. We have this mechanism where we can upload and we basically create the profile out of that information and, you know, I'll show you this actually, it's a little personal, but my PayPal history, right, I'm glad we're not doing this. Yeah, we're not doing this for you guys. And I was like, oh, we can't show you guys this one. But look at this, I have 3,000 records from PayPal on someone here who's right and PayPal is actually not very good at data visualization. No. And then also this is my Amazon purchase, it's not as many, but I have 244 purchases and that's something that should come down. This, which I've never made in my life, so you can also, you can download it, but you can't really make sense out of the spreadsheet, but what if you could put this into a graph, a little pie chart and so you can see, oh wow, it's getting a lot of money out of this or whatever it might be. You know. So, the whole thing is a paradigm that we're moving towards that we want to prepare for is one blue and gray show users on their data. So, even to the point where we would like to add perhaps a simple sign on it to other application websites using your uni ID and essentially the master key as a master key and then the watch that asks for permission about what they can access, kind of like based on authentication. So, the session is a randomized session I did and it asks for automatically I can give my preference data but just not personally my preference data if you know how to code it's harmless. So, we're just kind of preparing for that kind of world. So, as you can see like identity is really core to what we're doing. Momentarily I'm going to show you a sample of our test and we actually got to that point where we have some preliminary data on 650 nodes what amounts to people on the chart but imagine a imagine this though suppose we open open source and just so you know we have the intention to build voting apps tools that actual government is not going to use and you know we just want to plant that data like you know so, what I'm going to do here is I'm going to set 50 batches on 1000 transactions a piece and of course this isn't exactly a real life scenario but it is and it is not and we do have sale machines that are running first machines so I'm going to generate 15,000 transactions just prepare here now I'm actually going to execute so this is running in the cloud but there's about 650 first machines running through very close to our design consensus and we'll tell you in a moment alright, okay so we've got pretty good results it's indicating that we've achieved on average 4,000 for 4,000 transactions per second but actually it's a little bit it is aligned with our research of being in theory compared to other PBFT or practicalizing software systems we have 40 to 60% less communication so that's kind of the interesting you know the results are indicating something similar to that now in real life perhaps this is happening in like a actually deployed around the world with a global network even if it's one-fourth we're talking about steady 1000 so we feel like we're moving into an era for a lead run and they're kind of lost our system has some similarities to every time and yeah we're just we'd love to keep you updated every three or four months I mean you want a similarity with the language oh so yeah that's very interesting we're actually at a stage where it's like a cold night for us now I think we should say I heard really good things about it I'm starting to believe in it we're just a virtual machine it's like a fight are you feeling like you're making a language every one of us every one of us at the end of the science it seems pretty solid yeah so I mean I was actually referring to the fact that they have a BFT algorithm we call our community BFT and what's interesting and we're still kind of back to seeing Bradner head around it but like BFT like we it's three rounds three rounds three phases three phases three phases for two rounds of voting so one voting means you have to aggregate the majority for two times different phases ours is kind of a strange group of nature type of design I guess it's 1.5 rounds one round of aggregation and one round of broadcasting proof so we think we can study this equally the last eight months of the protocols and kind of verify our own approach I think it's interesting and the results are it's still very early so we hope that we can produce a public chain that's actually have to maybe some time so we know it takes time and that's pretty much the demo we want to share with you give you up to date on what we're doing so we're a short of protocol so what's interesting is that most public chains are benefiting higher TPS or lower smaller amount of nodes the problem is when you want to solve the trilemma of speed security decentralization you basically ignore decentralization our system actually uses more nodes in order to be solved by our own so our shard is actually larger 600 to 700 nodes and we use and groups of consensus around 70 that are chosen randomly I think we mentioned this last time we have a non-deterministic random number and a deterministic random number so we believe that our approach could maybe be close to solve this trilemma our vision really is to lower the participation to become a node we actually want this to be so human such a peer-to-peer network that people don't really have to stake $10,000 to be a part of it and to contribute to this new local that's kind of the vision that's our core blockchain like I'm very into blockchain blockchain was born as a way to overcome the obstacles of finding today regular clients today at levels not distributed it has to be concentrated like the richer that's how it works and it is there to make transactions with countries that are less rich I'm an expert here and it's also extremely extremely difficult with transactions in my country if I want to keep my range as of today I cannot do that with my own bank account in Italy so I think that blockchain was born somehow as a solution to overcome the obstacles of third party regular finance but then on the other hand solutions like group reward of the state put more obstacles to that to see partner to participate in the network that is based on either group of stairs or group of work whether it is electricity a big computer or actual money for the state so where is the purpose of blockchain so what I really believe is that our purpose of really putting something in place to overcome this to actually reach out for the people that will benefit from blockchain because the rich countries will definitely benefit from blockchain but not even close to the exact which countries that person will benefit from blockchain so I really believe in this as a solution to overset the obstacles but by the four states so that is why our focus is on decentralized identity our focus is kind of bridging your real identity maybe with your digital identity and in that way in our system we can try to make it so as one person one vote in one field that is the idea to solve maybe six so we really want to make our network peer-to-peer democratic and actually during this he is going to be presenting it speaking about it so we have a we have a chat of blockchain so of course we have every type of this kind I am really pleasant to present as a researcher to talk about decentralized identity and actually I wondered what do you think about self-selling and recently I have been studying this for a while to be honest the resources and the research is really distributed there is no single organization that you can find all the information so it is pretty distributed and it is probably good in every business together so what I know is so blockchain is a it is the last piece of possible that I can complete the self-selling why because for now we use Google and Facebook and the social accounts and how we present our identity so we can use the same account to log in but your identity is still controlled by the central services that means well you cannot really own your data and you cannot always retrieve the data anytime you want and you have the risk of exploding your privacy for example you are getting advertised every time like you keep looking at the YouTube advertisements selling your personal data to you to putting ads so the blockchain is actually the last piece so it is a layer for you to anchor your identity so that you can because you use additional signature the one of the private key almost the identity thanks for the private key yeah so what do you think about what should be the tags that the government can take to adopt this IWR yeah so a few things so the government of Taiwan of course has embraced the PKI essentially and we did talk about that but one for the issue of PKI the transaction model is the form factor at the moment it is from a separate plastic or the digital system or the CDC and the problem is that PKI is supposed to be maybe one in five years or now I think it's almost 24 they effectively use the current one and the second is that the form factor although it's NFC-enabled I guess they use it as IC card which is very bulky and friendly and so while the PKI is pretty solid and people generally trust it the usage is kind of low and even when people file their taxes online or when they for example take their airplane tickets to fly domestic as I want they tend to use the non-PKI which is the healthcare car which actually creates the kind of inside magic you just want to get your plane tickets so you trust the airline to have access to your car which they can theoretically also ride into it and then trust them in exchange for a ticket because everybody has a nose fair car and not many people have a PKI car which is why the airlines invest in those car machines rather than the proper PKI a real machine which will enable much more fine-grained control and signature things like that so I think the government's role in this we thought is simple to create more control and use cases for the NFC-enabled PKI car for example in democracy it's actually pretty good one because people often would want to join e-signatures on different bills in this case for a PKI business or because it needs to carry the same strength as a signature but people really need a lot of signatures there's a lot of time for a person running referendum to go and collect this paper based signatures but the healthcare car of course cannot be used with referendum people generally think it's not the norm and so I think just the referendum signature cases alone is a pretty good convincing case for people to essentially have some sort NFC-enabled PKI car and the PKI business and to join the e-signature I think that would get people accustomed to the use of PKI car and really quickly and that's what our CEC presidential elections meeting is now I think they've finished the development so you're just waiting for a security audit at the moment and so I think the government's role is just to create compelling these cases so any where can I put it can we find credit and rigid about the case we were describing? Yeah I think the CEC is under a server security review although we're not pretty close to the central election committee so it's just the referendum division or e-signature system so it's currently under server security review but we're under no time to screen though because the referendum and elections are not automated yes this is so that the referendum can commence in a way that it's more conversational and more of a dialogue between different positions rather than kind of a showdown between those parties which is what always happened if you have a time you don't think exactly in the same day as the election right they tend to be hijacked by party politics and so now we're moving to a kind of audit even there's far more time for people who have a real discussion among the people who joined the petition or e-signature and the referendum that is falling on the years between major elections and so we'll at least have one more year to have this kind of conversation also get people into the habit of joining the internet e-signature petition using the referendum PPS system etc I think the roll out with luck will be around the end of this year but once that happens then it is just cases for people I think it's really it's really I feel like even myself and I I'm going to just be a couple of people who have happened to e-signature petition and having a real public signature proves that these are real people you know and if you don't tamper with the result yeah you know how many elections were tampered with and another kind of day suddenly won you cannot tamper with the result that is it people said yes it's yes it's amazing so do you think in the near future the e-signature election will be on and not watching we'll try it on referendum first because referendum has to do a property of you know building on issues not people so it doesn't have the same exponential return if you hijack it if you hijack one particular referendum either socially or through cybersecurity means or invalidate the votes the most you can do is just the social energy spend on campaigning for that particular issue but if you hijack a election for the president well they return this exponentially because the president can effectively change regulations so we're probably going to try it a few times you know participatory budget saying referendum some things that are important but not people before we can do anything else with people it's the same for like electronic telling or for people who vote outside of their districts building booths there's many people who work in a different district as compared to where they are registered or where they live and even people who are overseas and people who vote for a referendum especially national referendum it doesn't really matter because it's the same set of issues and if we do it electronic telling we can also render an example to make sure that it's the same as an elemental healthy but how if you're the only person who live in another district out of your like conditions district or something and you vote for a person back in your district and you're actually your ticket when it's counted whether it's going to be a paper or not it's going to be the only vote in that district and that's targeting another district and so it makes a lot more security guarantees necessary to make sure that it doesn't get re-identified and such so for national referendum all these things are not a problem so that's where we're trying to add in the upcoming national referendum I think it's two years from now that's great I can see that if that goes well very quickly and also the citizen digital certificate there's an 80s version as well so the ACDC it's not very well known it's not very popular but it's there so if you want to try it out you can still get a copy and it gets access to your PDI system as well as by doing all that and I think I'm quite interested in it similar topic and do you see the voting mechanism in this case the referendum changed immediately and completely so it would be digital on PDI's smart support immediately or it would be like even for Estonia I think they use it for the promised vote so you can use your PDI to kind of overwrite your votes within a period of time and it's a good idea because you may be co-host at any given time there's no way for the talent software to know that you're not being co-host so the social solution is that you can always go back home and overwrite your own votes and then you can go to the voting booth to overwrite all your electronic votes and so it's a way to kind of socially you still have the last line of defense like if you were co-host during the vote or whatever overwrite that particular vote so I think that kind of hybrid system is perhaps what we're looking at Is there anything else that I was doing in the blockchain or AI arena that's super interesting to you these days? Well we have a presidential mechanism and we are just at our cohort of 20 selected to the content so it's a really interesting end of because while it's not directly like must be AI oriented or blockchain oriented there are several cases where they do use machine learning technology to massively simplify people's lives like last year when the 5 million teams are using machine learning to detect water by leakage early so that's a people who very quickly gets the idea of where things are leading instead of just keep hearing the same part that is not really leading and we actually said that seemed too well in terms of New Zealand last year to forward for another three months to help them also narrowing down the water cycle leakage issues so this time you could build the presidential mechanism and you can see the top 10 cases and many of them use machine learning very quickly in this place because the contest is still ongoing because they don't have the five finalists so I can't really mention any which one had the jury but I would just say all the 10 cases are really really good and when the president Dr. Simon saw the demo she thinks all the 20 was so good that she asked me to keep seeing that the bottom 10 still gets too frugal because there's some really really good ideas there so the top 5 actually they don't get any money but they get a trophy and the trophy is a projector that shows the president handing the team the trophy so it's very making and it symbolizes the presidential promise that whatever it takes the three months to have a bill of it will be part of the public service in the next year so this is the presidential win the presidential mandate so maybe next year that's true we might do a lot of things but that's a really good that's right I think it's wonderful to hear from you and I feel really inspired for your time maybe we'll schedule another meeting in four months looking very much forward to it thank you thank you thank you