 Hello everybody! If it's Saturday then there must be some kind of reveal nonsense going on and that means it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Now joining me this week is the man, oh Jesus that other thing is not muted, sorry, where I watch it on the other screen. Joining me is the man formerly known as Good Painter Stormcast Man. Presently known as Good Painter Lumenath Man or today I guess Rich. What's up Martin, how are you doing brother? Good to have you back on. Hello, yeah thanks for having me everybody. I am currently at Camp Orlando, barbecuing with family. I'm using my father's laptop and what used to be my bedroom, now his home office. Yeah, I just happened to be like I got my Dominion box and then went over to my family house to do barbecuing before the July. That weekend, getting together with a family for barbecues absolutely makes perfect sense if you're here in the States, if you're elsewhere in the world. I hope you're having a wonderful weekend even if you're not celebrating your divorce from the British Empire. And thank you for my fifth stint on Warhammer Weekly. Hey there you go. I'm sure we'll have you back again. That I have no doubt about. We're here to talk about the preview today. And before we get into the details of everything, I want to just sort of touch base. Okay, so Martin, how'd you feel about it overall? It was pretty much what I expected and I expected to be wowed by awesome supplements to the starter set because they did say that this was going to be themed around the Dominion box. So I imagine that's like any sort of reinforcements that were like directly related to the troop units in the box was going to be the stuff that was shown off today. And that's what we got. Yeah, I think that I wanted to see more. I really did. I liked them sharing all of the models of everybody who painted it in the time beforehand. I thought that was really nice and there was some very fun painted miniatures in there. Shout out to Sam Lenz's stuff that looked fantastic that was in there. As far as the reveal itself goes, we got the basics plus a couple cool pieces, but we know there's more. I wanted to see more. We need that the gift from Daenerys Targaryen from Season 2. Where are my dragons? Yeah, exactly. Where are them Stormcast Drake writers? We all heard about them. We know they're there. Can we just get them going? Come on, where are they at? So, yeah, I'm excited. So let's talk about some stuff in order. First off, we've got the two new battle tomes we all knew were coming, right? They've said basically that these will be in August, I think, so they'll probably be early August, probably going in pre-release or preview, what do I say, pre-order. There's the right word. At the end of the month for release in early October, I would assume. Now, tinfoil hat there, right? Excuse me. I got an email this morning, and I'm sure a few other people did too, that between today and Saturday, August 4th, if you order more than 50 British pounds or equivalent currency worth of stuff from the web store, you get, I think it's $5 off, might be paltry, but that might give us a time window or timeframe for when the next big pre-order thing might be. Right, yeah, absolutely. Now, there is some good news, bad news here with these new battle tomes, because we did get confirmation in this article of something that, honestly, I'm not thrilled about. Okay, but we'll see. We'll give it a chance, but my initial blush, first reaction is not positive. All right, so first off, we changed the border spine color. I don't care about that. We're back to 8th edition red, everybody. Red, it's back. Oh, no. Oh, that's right. I knew you'd catch that. Yes, I was going to say the same thing. We're back to classic 8th edition red spines. Okay, fine. Every edition change, they always change the spine in some way so you can see when you look at them sideways what's different. Yeah, but we've done that almost bony, like, white sort of inside of a dead cathedral looking sort of aesthetic, but now we're back to the big red book. Big red book, yes. The second thing I wanted to highlight for everybody was right here. They didn't talk about this on the stream. You know, they said these are going to contain the new path to glory rules, your crusade system for AOS and all that. Of course, great, fantastic. Love all that stuff. I know crusade's been very, very popular. A lot of people are playing crusade games in 40K. I'm sure that'll be very popular in AOS with this new system. But right here is the part I wanted to draw your attention to, Martin. Both books include new sub-faction rules. Best of all, every battle tone in the new edition contains a code that lets you access the rules in the upcoming Warhammer Age of Sigmar app, which is due to head into beta later this year. Now, first of all, I thought it was supposed to be released in beta, like, today. Yeah, I guess they changed that. Oh, well. Not a great sign. Number one, first off, well, that's bad. Two, I want my digital books back. That's just I can buy a digital book in the app. I don't like this by the physical book to get the digital thing. It's exactly the opposite of how it should go. They like honing it in the app. I do not understand. I don't like this in 40K. I don't like it here now. So there we go. Now, I'm not going to prejudge the app. If it's good, it's good. Just keep all the War Scrolls free. That's all I care about. Like, I should still be able to download the app and read the War Scrolls for free. As long as that's still the case, I'm fine. That's what I want. Yeah, it's a mess. Like, any number of critiques or opinions are available as to the system. It basically makes us feel like that Age of Sigmar kind of got off easy for a little while, because they had effectively a temporary business model where rules are effectively free, and they are in some channels, but not all. And I get how convenient an online army builder is, because when I hear people talking about the app within my local circles and stuff online in general, when people are talking about the app, they're mostly talking about having the army builder as part of that package. As someone who tends to do my army building on a notepad or just not within an app space, I can only get the PDF of the general's handbook for 20% off, and I can look up my unit rules for free. And now that's probably changing as well. I don't particularly like it, but it unfortunately is what it is. Yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens. I'm not going to prejudge it. Whatever happens happens. I'm not going to be able to get in the way of this train. But my hope would be, and the previous article where they previewed the app seemed to imply that, that the War Scrolls will still be free to preview, but if you want to use the army builder part, you'll pay for it, much like the current app versus Azure, right, the Azure portion of it. So if they keep that distinction, I'm fine, whatever. And yes, all your payment would just be all rolled into Warhammer Plus, right? So whatever, that's fine. Okay, that all aside, you know, it's fine. It is what it is. I mean, I'll be picking up both of these books physically anyways, of course, because I'm making a new Stormcast army in my Ratcast. And obviously I have an Iron Jaws army and I'm very tripping. I am scared about this, like Iron Jaws is near perfect. I've said it before, it's hard to imagine improvement on perfection. Fingers crossed. Yeah, yeah, I will have to take a look at the, because I have 4,000 points of celestial indicators. Yeah, you do. Yeah, and I'm, I'm eager to see what new rules they get. I was hoping to see that we would might, because we're making this march towards Stormcast, at least being given new content in the same light of space Marines. I was hoping to see some Lieutenant level characters for like the different storm hosts, like just like a smattering them out there, like they did for when they did spate the first space Marines of, I want to say 8th edition, like when they got Tor Garadon at Grex or whatever his name is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, let's try and do something like that for all of the other storm hosts to get your. Yeah, because we got GARDUS and then we called it today so far. But yes, I agree. I'd love to see that kind of a spread. Yeah, you're right. They did like one cool character. I don't know if they were like a chapter master or what they were. No, they were just captains. They were just like, yeah, they were, they were, if you want to classify by old lords and heroes, they were all hero level space Marines. Yeah. And I was hoping like celestial of indicators, like can I get a samurai lady to like put in my stuff and we'll find out like it hasn't been confirmed or denied, but I'd like to see something like that. Rust Belt Blacksmiths at Vince Ventrell. Have you heard anything about War Scroll Builder? Yes, I have my friend Tony P confirmed he is hard at work updating War Scroll Builder for 3.0. War Scroll Builder is sticking around. So we're all happy about that. He had a, he was, he's been, he shared out a little, little quick tweet today about his progress as he's working hard to get everything up to date for 3.0. He's just been a tick attack in a way on the old keyboard, making sure that we're all going to have an awesome War Scroll Builder, which best program, best, best, best in browser app, whatever you want to call it. That's what I need. If I've got War Scroll Builder, I'm happy, frankly. So the app can be whatever the app is. All right. Speaking of new miniatures, my friend, let's talk about what we got here. So I'm not going to work. I'll like, I'm not going to play the video. Yeah. I have the article to run. Yeah. But I really just, I'm going to, I'm going to get into the, the miniatures itself. So we saw, I would call it the other baseline stuff. Is that sound right to you? Like the, the other basic troops. Yeah. And this raises the question. I think you said this now. I'll openly admit I'm just directly stealing this from you when we were talking before the show. How many times do we need to remake the basic troops of stormcast? Like, are we just, how many different baseline troops do we need? Not only, not, we keep reinventing the wheel, but we keep reinventing the wheel at a faster pace. Right. And I don't know how healthy that is for a product range. Yeah. This is going to be like, I'm picturing this book with now like 60 or 70, like, you know, bigger than Skaven or Seraphon even levels of just different war scrolls and lots of overlapping roles, bigger than cities of Sigmar. And, but, but, you know, like, fine. They're all great. I'm doing me wrong. I'm really torn on this because looking at the models, I really love them. I think they look awesome. And I really like the new look of stormcast. So for me, it's not a terrible thing as I'm restarting a stormcast army from scratch. Like I retired my old stormcast army, my, my Bretonian, my Brett cast and I'm making the rat cast. So, okay, cool. If you have an existing force, like, okay. Yeah. You know, the rumor is that the, you know, in the new book, the old stuff, a lot of it's getting a real boost as well. The rumor is that like the warrior chamber is going to be pretty great. Sorry. He's upset. Corky alert. It's all right. Like the warrior chamber is going to be good. And that old stuff still going to be quite competitive. So I am interested to see what happens. We'll see how it also works out. But anyways, let's get into these individually. So first off, Lord commander, bastion, Carthelos leader of the hammers of sigmar. So like this is the guy in charge of the hammers of sigmar. Sorry about the barking. Like, can you still hear it on my end? No, no. Okay. Very, very distant in the background. It's okay. Gosh. So yeah, the first thing that came to mind and this is just because I'm weird. It looks like Tony Todd. For those who remember all the old Star Trek, the sculpting is just incredible. Like all these faces now, like they feel like this, just the faces in general, the games workshop has been putting out. They feel like they have these distinguished features that make them like truly distinct from one another. Yeah. The only other thing before you get into the metal stuff, because I know, I know we could talk about the metals. You just put out your 300th copy. I did. Yes. About metals. I think they already broke a cardinal sin here by making both gold and vertebrate bronze part of the same armor. And it looks weird because the bronze is both clean and ancient at the same time. Sure. It has like the weird vertebrae and the, just only in the recesses. Yeah. Otherwise very shiny. Right. Like it's, it's polished bronze, but it also, yeah, like you have to pick one. I get that they're doing that for color theory, because it does look nice and it contributes to the blue. Like you have your more metal and then the cold blue accent. But it just, it doesn't work for me in terms of just the color, coloring right here, but everything else about this model. I really like the pose. I think they haven't shown it like, like the full image, but if you go to the cutaways of like the other, yeah, he has a helmet. He has a helmet. Yeah. We can, we'll scroll down here so we can do the cutaways. Cause yes. So he's got both the holding and hammer in front of him option, which never pick worse option by far. Hammer to the side open model pose is always so much better than close to it in models. I see a two-handed weapon troop holding their, their weapon in front of them. And I'm like, cool. I'm not going to buy those. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, like, did you, did you, did you, did you have like more detailed thoughts about the overall? Yeah. I think the sculpt is really good. It's solid. I love the, I like the beard helmet quite a bit. I think that's super fun. It shows like the grungy influence because grungy is obviously helping rebuild all this storm cast armor. So that's why they're doing stuff like that. So I completely get it. I think it's interesting to thematically tie in that narrative into the, the modeling. Uh, Lord, I have a note here written that says, Lord commander's hammer is damage four. So I'm happy to see that his hammer wielded by a relatively human sized person is twice as damaging as a mega gargantz club. So that's exciting. I'm never going to let this go ever. I defer to, to Hey, well about stats of attacks relative to damage about output. A gate breaker can kill RK on this guy. I mean, he might, we don't know the rules yet, but I'm, I'm presuming that it's not like in that hammer heart. Yes. Um, no, it's, it's, uh, I think the universal like almost like because we've seen so many characters like this, not necessarily Lord commanders and, um, shadow clamor will be first to tell you on Twitter about the implications of this. First of all, I thought Vandus hammer hand was the Lord commander. Maybe that, I mean, that's probably changed in the time skip or whatever of, of third edition. I have not actually read the, I think it was just like a preeminent Lord cellist. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I hope we see more characters like this, but generally the storm cast melee characters are four attacks, threes and threes. Sometimes you throw a two in there like, Oh, I hit on a two. Oh, and then rend one for D three damage. Um, it will be nice to see something that actually has a, that doesn't require like a dice roll to determine if it's going to flub or not. Um, here is the question. We got to get to the issue. You got to get to it. He's the Lord commander of the hammers of Sigmar. I'm assuming that means he's got the hammers of Sigmar keyword and is only used in hammers and Sigmar armies. Does this guy have a generic version? Um, I do not believe they said so for this kit because they were, um, they were quick to point out elsewhere in the preview when multi kits were available. Um, now that could be wrong. Like they would put that in this article, I think. I would think so too. That's why I'm sad because I think this dude is super awesome. And obviously you can include him in your army regardless. And who knows what his rules are and how dependent on buffing other hammers of Sigmar he is. Right. But I'm just like, I don't, I don't like so many hammers of Sigmar special characters. And I like it when they do it, if they give you a generic version of well as well. Right. So you've got like the event is fire strike guy or whatever, Mr. Hammer Hall himself, right? The mayor of Hammer Hall town. Yes. Um, Yeah. We've got like the generic version. Now I'm really fingers crossed hoping for an update, like that that model gets super good in the new edition. I'm not going to lie. Like the one model I'm banking on is I want the dude on Torah lawn to become awesome because I really want to put. Yeah. That was the only character I use like in one game. And then I actually sold that model to a friend. That was like, I'm, I'm not going to be using this. I'm sorry. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That looks, yeah. I really appreciate this character. I hope that we see more in this sort of archetype words. Like not only do we get more like a big boy actually does damage may play heroes. Yes. First one cast, but we also, if we do more Lord commanders, um, I would like there to be more non hammers of Sigmar characters that are also distinct also. Yes. It feels like they could just include a rule with this dude. Like cause I T said, I don't think you can have generic Lord commanders, but we could. We could have Lord commander and one of his special rules could be he must include, you must choose a sub faction of one of the below. This is the Lord commander for that. Yeah. Right. Like you could do it and then like replace all instances on this war scroll of hammers of Sigmar with the keyword chosen or they could just use like they do in 40 K where it's like, you must choose order. And then they have like, you know, order in, in Perens throughout on the war scroll card. Like it's not tech. We don't have you. They use it in 40 K all the time where you have to pick a particular sub faction or group for them to be. And then it just slots into the rules all over the place. Yeah. So anyways, maybe we're too dumb for that here in AOS. I don't know. You gotta have that big 40 K brain for that kind of tech. Yeah. Uh, Knight, relic door. Okay. Okay. So previously we had our Lord relic door. Yeah. From our original first box set. Now we have the night relic tour. Martin, I'm going to, I'm going to jump out on this one. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This guy. Yeah. I do not like this one at all. We're, we're really parsing it here. Like we had our knight arcane. We had our Lord. Right. It's so it's like how many archetypes can we kind of like, like literally, like literally using accounting to try in and combine and make. Like it feels like a, a, I mean, I do like the props he has like the treasure chest thing in the front. I can't stand it. It looks like a fanny pack. Like I get it. Yes. Um, yeah. Um, This guy going to Disney world with his kids. So you got some cargo sharks and shorts on underneath that. Underneath that. I'd have to go look at the video again. Like I see all of these props, but it's like, it feel, it feels almost like I'm, oh God, I don't want to say it because I don't want to feel like too, like, cause there are going to be people who are fans of these heroes. And like, If you love it, I'm like, cool, super good. From a world building perspective, it, if you take away like the, the regimented, like this has to only be this thing in the, in the game, but like from like a role playing perspective or a writing perspective, this really does help create a living world where you have access to all of these very specialized and distinct, um, costumes and archetypes, which do all sorts of things, both big and small within a setting you're trying to create for yourself and players, like a narrative or, or even if you're a soul bound, I was thinking of, there we go. Yeah, sure. Um, and, uh, I'm sure that you could go on some interesting adventures with a character like this, but unless it had, unless it costs like around the hundred points and it is this really cool utility. I'm not sure what purpose this is serving. Right. Um, it, it, it feel, yeah, a lot of the, a lot of the costume feels like just pieces of existing assets that they took from both 40 K and Sigma and combined it together into a character that I'm not sure it was needed. Uh, a lot of this feels like that to be honest, but, um, it does create this cool, like space marine chaplain ask sort of, obviously very chaplain. Yes. Yeah. And I think you're going to see people who, um, are looking for a new unique space marine chaplain in sort of correct. Oh, you have to just, you don't really have to do a lot of conversions. No, because he even has like a reliquary on his back. So clearly he has a backpack slot that you would just swap out for the space marine backpack slot. Like you can put a standard space marine backpack into that slot. Right. And aside, yeah. And aside from like a gun holster, which you can take one of the, the, the hip plates off and put in its place, you have the same work here, the space marine chaplain would have. Yeah. I like the mace. The halo is okay. It's not bad. I do like the halo kind of look. It's, I don't hate the halo. Um, but I don't like his little skull, brazier thing. It just looks like a derpy skull, wearing a goofy hat. Like his, his Aspergillum or whatever. I guess it wouldn't be an Aspergillum because it's not on a stick, but his, his sense, it is a sensor. Yes. And that's like straight out of 40 K, like a lot of dark angels, space with the rosary top. Yeah, exactly. And like with the skull and the crown of the skull has been shaped with like the sensor metal. And it's like, yeah. Uh, I mean, Stormcast are the design space where you want to have that sort of gothic interpretation of nights, um, intermingle with all of these science fantasy tropes. So you're going to see some of that blended bleed over into Stormcast. And I think that's more present here than it has ever been in the storm cast range. Yeah, I just, he doesn't have the same form. I think that this, this, the fanny pack box is nonsense. This is bad. I don't like his relic or backpack. By the way, we could like, look at this shoulder Martin, did you catch this shoulder pad and how weird it is? I think it has, it has an embossed shape on it. It does. And I, and it just looks bad at that angle. Right. Yeah. It looks like this weird cyst. Probably a skull. Yeah. Probably a skull shape thing. Because, um, because we don't want to have like it, this is, I think just a thing the sculptors do. It's like, why, why should we have to make remember transfers? Like some armies used to come with sheets and sheets and sheets of transfers. And now it's like, well, we don't have to do that anymore. We can just sculpt an embossed symbol. And you can tell that they're embossed because even in some of the key art for a lot of these factions that, that symbol, which is embossed onto the plastic in the kit is painted on in the art. So it's like, we don't have to make hobbyists do that anymore. We can just do it on the armor. Sure. All right. Let's move through these base troops here. We got a couple of these guys to look at. So, uh, first of all, we've got the vanquishers, which are basically the sword guys to counter our spear dudes and the bendictors. So here is our basic sword infantry. Obviously clearly very similar. Yeah. Like these guys. I think they're great. I hope the great sword has a two inch reach. Otherwise they're worthless. But, uh, but if they have a two inch reach, I'm good. Yeah. I see a bear head in there. Me being the kick bash that I am. I'm like, oh, look, I could probably put that on an elf. Um, I will say the head sculpts in these, like the bear head sculpts, they're so good. They're so good. Like on a lot of these base troops, it's crazy. They have like really interesting dynamic base head sculpts or bear head sculpts. I'm so impressed with the work. Yeah. Yeah. And it's almost like it's, it's, uh, I mean, this is, there's not much to talk about on these generic troops. Like they are storm cast in the thunder strike armor. Yep. And like they, they just have a different weapon and these have a waste cape. Uh, so it's like this, the head stand out so much more for how superb they are. Someone in my, in my local club who is going to get boxes of these. And a lot of them are like, I always want to put the helmets on all of them. It's either they don't want to paint skin or it's just a thing or it's like, all my storm cast always wear helmets. I'll take those. I'll take those bear heads. 100%. These are so going to be so valuable, right? Because they're great. Like there's lots of different, it's just, it's nuts. It's nuts. How many different like good facial features and, and types and hair and stuff like that that they've captured. So yeah, I'm down. I don't like the half cape is nice. I don't hate it, but I actually like the svelte form of the vindictor, you know, without the extra robing. There's something really elegant and smooth about that is just armored form as opposed to these more sort of priestly looking vanquishers. Yeah. Because, and they also don't have the, the, the skirt of the scale mail. If you notice, because they were pretty sick with the actual like half. Yeah. Just a half cake instead. They're literally in a suit of, of like almost, almost accurate plate armor, which is weird that. Yeah. So I know I get what you're going for. I'm just going to state one more time. I'm not sure why this couldn't be like a unit of the like liberators or something. Right. Just new liberators. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Just call these like liberators in Thunderstrike armor. Yeah. Sure. Whatever. Correct. Yeah. They are as liberators, but add the Thunderstrike keyword. Sure. Okay. And then we've got the new shooty boys in vigilors, which is pretty non-sensical, but that's fine. That's, that's normal for all space ring like things. Of course. The bow and sword, Marty, what's your, what's your take here on the, so many troops with both a bow and a sword in their hands at the same time. Yeah. Um, well, first of all, they have both strings. Like we're, we're continuing to be, it's probably, it's probably like a CAD thing where we can put both strikes, both, both strings here. We can't put post strings on this other thing because just the mold won't support it. But these feel like heavier Vanguard hunters. And from what they said in the show, it sounds like they operate that same way. But instead of having fur on, they've decided to go for a little bit more of a Roman looking hunter because of the Greco-Roman inspiration on all storm cast. Um, and just the way that they, um, have made all of the wind direction on the cloaks feels, feels like Italian Baroque, like sort of artwork. Um, yeah. Um, the one holding a map. I'm sorry. It doesn't look like a map. It looks like they're holding. Looks like, I'm sorry. It looks like TP. It does. Um, can we talk about just real quick? I know we mentioned the faces already, but this one I have up on screen, the lady with like the headband and the like hair, the white hair going back. It's like one of my favorite heads they've ever made. Oh, wow. Yeah. With the star slip. Yeah. It's very, um, yeah. Super like Larry Elmore 80s fantasy painting. Right. Like that's what she feels like. Like she walked right out of like a dragon lance. No. Yeah. With the, uh, yeah. With the, whatever the shorter length hair and the, the, the heavy sort of almost Celtic inspired star slit. Yeah. I like that. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I reviewed it and I was like, holy crap. That is one of my favorite heads they've ever made. Oh, and some of the, some of the helmets, um, have the little metal beard on them too. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These dudes have little metal beards too. Um, yeah. So, uh, all in all, these are cool. Fine. No issues. Like I, they did say these can be battle line. I think so. I think he's a nice judicator. Or it could be, it could be a hero that we haven't seen yet. Sure. But I assume it's going to be that guy because they did just preview that guy last time when they did that and the silly chariot. And I'm sticking to my guns here people. All of you people on Twitter who are out there coming after me for my chariot hot takes, there's going to be more. I don't like the storm cast chariot. I will never like the storm cast chariot. I like chariots and other armies. Storm cast should have tanks or dreadnoughts. I will die on this hill. Okay. Yeah. I was, I was actually playing it. Someone had just bought their dominion box of playing a game last night and someone in the club was saying, um, cause they were using their adeptus custodes army as part of the proxies cause they were on the same base size. And, um, cause they didn't have enough of the storm cast stuff. And someone said, what if instead of indrasta, you did a storm cast dreadnought as your indrasta. Sure. I already know I'm converting my indrasta for rat cast. I'm very excited. I've got the very nice. All right. Uh, so yeah, so they could be battle line, which is cool. And obviously the previous dudes that we talked about the vanquishers. Oh, we know are already battling. Okay. So then we've got our new annihilators. Uh, are we going to get any lady annihilators in here at all? Like all these are male. Um, but I wonder if there's any lady annihilators. I don't know. Um, either way, this is the other annihilator kit. So this one is, uh, you can get the two handed hammers in this one. They have a three plus base save instead of a two plus base save because the big ones with the two handers don't have their shields, but they hit even harder. Um, the annihilators, as you mentioned, Marty, have the standard storm cast profile, like three attacks, threes and threes, neg one rent, two damage, right? Or whatever, you know, three damage because there's always a, there's always a chance that you just flub that damage roll that is always sad. But, uh, but these guys, uh, love the bear chest by the way. Yeah, very, very game of thrones here. Fantastic. I want to see this explored more. Um, I will say, I will say that maybe this is a sigh of relief. Um, it is a unit of three. Um, so yeah, we did get confirmation. These annihilators come in units of three, which means that you are not under strength in your starter set box, like the, um, the hur, how I think every unit in the, um, on the strong cast side and soul wars was under strength or like not enough, right? Yeah. It only took us three launch boxes, but we got there. Third time's a charm, Marty. Third time's a charm. Uh, yeah, I, I, I am not sure about the annihilators. Like again, I'm, I'm not coming at this from like storm cast was a vacation home from my imagination. Sure. I have everything I need now in the, in the luminous, but, um, I, I do like the idea. First of all, have we seen any helmets or these all bear? Yeah, these are all bear heads. So. Yeah. They mentioned that there are full helmet options. Yeah. Yeah. They really show bear heads. So good. These three faces like my God. And also the heavy metal painters are really doing a lot better with faces. Let me just say shout out to them. Well done, guys. Well done. Whoever did these unit on the team, you did a fantastic job. You're really, really killing it over here. Yeah. Um, I'm not, I'm not the, the biggest fan of like this armor shape to me. I mean, like it does look nice, but it reminds me a little bit too much of, um, those in the chat who played the very first stage game, uh, like the late game armor you could get as a night look like this big lobster thing where you could barely move any of your limbs. It was meant for like the only the tankiest of the tank builds, um, in your adventuring party. And that's what this feels like to me. I almost prefer the, the traditional palette and armor where they showed off at the very beginning of one storm cast launched. Is that, that just probably your evocators and whatnot. Uh, yeah. Your retributors, your protectors. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. Yes. Your retributors and yeah, exactly. Yeah. They all, they all have similar sounding names. They have almost identical costumes except for the Thunderstrike stuff now. It's okay. Uh, so yeah, uh, cool that we'll get these. They did confirm, by the way, that these new kits are not push fit. They're just traditional standard model fit kits. So, I don't know. Well, yeah, I was about to say because like at the, when Soul Wars came, there were certain units which were restricted exclusively to push fit. Like especially like on them. Yeah. Like the castigators I think were push fit only for those who actually bought castigators. That sounds right. Yeah. I think as they came in the weird little box. Yes. You know what the extra griff hound. Yes. Yes. Uh, but yeah. So, okay. So that's all of our storm cast. Uh, what we didn't see is the Drake writers or which we think are coming. That's what we want to see. Obviously if we've got a month until this book comes out, which boy that, like, I'm, I'll tell you, Marty, at first I was a little sad because I, but then I was like, you know what? It doesn't matter. I've got, I've got too much stuff to paint. So having a little bit of a delay like I'm just going to work my way through my dominion box. Every, every model in my storm cast army is like a 25 to 30 hour paint job alone, like each model. So it's, you know, I'm in no rush here. I got the time. What am I doing? Yeah. And, and I brought over, it's still going to be a little while until we barbecue, I brought over my Lewineth battle tome and I'm going to take a look through the core rules a little deeper now that like we've gotten over initial excitement period of just like, of screenshots and conversations and again, just try and write a proper list that I want to bring to an event next month. Yeah. Yeah. Now that we've got the FAQs everything and don't worry. If you're wondering about our reaction on the FAQs, we will talk about those on the show next week. Okay. Mr. J says a month. No. Yes. Because the rumor, the understanding is this book will launch in the beginning of August. So they're both books will launch in the beginning of August. Although I don't know if there's going to be a one week or two week release, I imagine this will be spread over a two week release just because there's at least because there's so much stuff here. Yes. And then they said there's probably a cast home coming right on the heels of that in October. I am hoping, hoping, hoping it is a new beast of cast home and they need it. Okay. Plus beast of cast generally released in October. That's when you put on a beast of cast home. So that was the last one. All right. Let's talk about these swamp bogglers, shall we? All right. All right. Swamp bogglers. Overall, this is not my army. I'm an iron jaws guy. The biggest orcs with the most armor are the best orcs. I am very excited to continue playing my iron jaws in the new book. I am nothing but hopeful. Please don't let me down. Don't slanesh me and I'll be fine. Swamp boggler like orcs don't summon. So I think we'll be okay. Yeah. So for me when these first launched, I was definitely on the train of being pleasantly surprised or just that these had a very load of the rings film sort of aesthetic to them, which is not something we've seen for orcs and war hammer ever. And it did cause quite a stigma or just controversy. I should say when, because they're also previewing orcs for beast Snagas, which I assume that box is probably going to be coming out this month. Like I think we're done with Aegis Sigmar for like next two or three weeks, I think. Don't quote me on that, of course, but the beast Snagga boys, like they were also showing, hey, we're also updating the 20-year-old kits for orc boys in 40K. Right. And it looks like how orcs have always looked compared to this, which is a little bit more not Tolkien inspired, but Peter Jackson, I should say, inspired. I'm fine with that. I like that designation. Yes. And while that was true, it's like we saw a lot of Lord of the Rings inspiration or sorry, the Phil inspiration. I think we're now getting a little bit more into its own thing. Like the truly, they said they have dredged the swamp of the swamp creatures and they have been tamed mercilessly by the cruel boys and they are marching to war alongside them in a hideous bondage. And yeah, I think we've got that in full tier today. Yeah. These guys are real busy, but I'll say, you know, so I painted one of the swamp bogglers. I decided to put a video out on painting cruel boys. And you know what, like these dudes have a lot going on and initially my take on them was pretty negative because I thought that they were too busy. But after painting the first one, I will say it honestly wasn't that bad. This guy is super busy. Like he's got a lot, but I assume you only have like one of these probably for your army. This is the special character boss, Scumdreck. Yeah. And then the generic one is down here. Yeah, exactly. And then you can also do the generic one, which is the Snatchaboss on Sludgeraker Beast. I love how this thing is alligator inspired or crocodile or, you know, one of those two creatures, like because it has that sort of texture to its skin and it's its face. Yeah. Leathery, like it's loose, but leathery skin, which is always an uncomfortable sort of thing you want, like a bad guy creature. It's a good texture to use. Yeah. I think this dude looks sweet as he is super busy, but he's also a good centerpiece. Like if you this this alternate head is super derpy, by the way, I do not like this alternate head. The one that doesn't have the face covering on it on the thing. Like you've got two options with him, the face covering. Yeah. I don't like either of the head options. I don't like either of the head options. I'm sorry. I want to see I want to see the face of the centerpiece model I'm painting. No, no, on the mount. Sorry. I'm not on the main guy. Oh, okay. Yeah. I give what you're saying. Yeah. Like there's the, yeah, the I the special character with his like knockoff mad max helmet. Okay. Yeah. Which I presumably was what they were going for. Yes. His is like, it's okay. I like the other guy with just the the Vader mask or whatever. The main mask. Yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, I see. It doesn't stormcast. You're new to the swamps, but I was born in it molded by it. Yeah, exactly. So, um, I don't mind this guy. He's fine. I do. I love how they painted the wood. Like if you go down to the cutaways and you see the special character sludge raker beast. Yeah. And just like looking at the wood grain on there, it's like, man, I need to make my the woods, the woodpikes. I know a lot of that is built in texture. Like you can tell that there's sculpted texture on a lot of like the wood bracing and stuff behind the named character. Yeah. I think that's painted on though, on, um, the the, what's the color shackle on it. Yeah. And it's like, I need to paint more wood like that because you and I have been going back and forth like on on my luminous and how to do all of the pipes because they have like the butter smooth pipes, which should be wood texture. Right. And it's like, that's that's just excellent. I got to try that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, overall super cool, dude. Again, he is very, very busy, like crazy busy. Yeah, I think, I think, um, to, to, to care, uh, to build on what you said earlier about painting the troops. Um, I think they have this sort of, um, escalating sort of detail, which I think is possibly the point, like as you get closer to the, um, the, the, like lower on the pyramid or the food chain, as it were, when you get close to the basic troops, you get to a better ratio of textures and they look like just better. Like the crew, like the gut ripas and the, the gobb, the hot goblins, they, they look excellent. But then when you get up here, it's like, it almost like this model right here, the, the, the sludge raker beast almost be like a barrier to entry. I think to some newer painters because it's like, how do you even paint this? It's a lot. Yeah. Although all of the hanging bits that are just not going to break, but like just getting away of someone who is not used to like painting something this elaborate. Right. It's, it's crazy. Yeah. Just a quick moment before we leave this guy behind once again, he's, he's, there's this giant wood sort of contraption where he's clearly capturing people and trapping him. I assume he'll have a like, you know, sleigh models instantly type of mechanic as he puts them in his cage or whatever, you know. Yeah. Uh, but did you notice that his little wood plank here has a cushion underneath it? Uh, that he's sitting on? Just like the, just like the troll, uh, uh, master blaster guy? I can barely see it, but yes, yes. That's funny. Yeah. They, it's same with this dude, by the way. So let's move on to the, uh, the marsh crawler slog off. So you're, you're basically a troll walking on all fours with some grots up top. Like this is all grots, obviously the little grots in the top. Yeah. This is not a super big base. No. This, this is fun. And I think this is a rumor engine. The, um, Yeah. The little man catcher thing. Yeah. The man catcher thing. Yes. Um, no, I, I, I really like this one. Um, this is where I was like, yeah, we're not, we're not in Tolkien territory anymore with this faction. Sure. Um, it's, it's. Yeah. I really, I really appreciate this. It's just, they have it has so much going on, but in a fun way. And because you can see the faces of most of the, um, the overall composition and mood of it. Yeah. Whereas I think compared to like the, the main characters, like because you can't really see what's going on with their, the faces of the guy on top, it takes away from it a little bit. Yeah. I love this one. This is actually, I, I don't know if that's on a 105 or a 92 cavalry base. I think that might legitimately be a 92 cavalry base. Like I don't think this thing is actually that big. Look at, look at the size of the goblins. I think you're right. I think this is on a chaos night base. This is tiny. Well, it's bigger than the cast night. It'd be on the Lord on Carpegrac base, but yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm into him big time. Like that face, that little moon face, he's got that big pointy chin and the long pointy nose. Like, ah, he's good. Yeah. And then just the little drummer living his life, having a good time. Absolutely. Look, it's, yeah, this is great. So I honestly don't think this model will be that big. Love the tones and stuff they picked for the skin of the troll. I think he looks good. He looks almost melty, which is, I guess, a weird way to say it, but, yeah, it's, it is not, it has not come from a nice place to live. Right. So, yeah, super great stuff. I assume again, this one will have like snatch and grab mechanics. I think both of these monsters are going to have like snatch and grab mechanics. Like, right, when they, when they complete a charge, you get to, or when they pile in or something, you get to roll a die and on an X plus, they do a mortal wound. Yeah. And because it's so small, I have a feeling Yeah. Like not, not, I don't want to say, oh, this is going to be competitive. You're going to see multiple stuff of these. I just think that you're, you're going to be allowed to take more than one. Yeah. This is what I'm trying to try. Yep. I'm with you. Absolutely. Uh, it says like, if you're facing these creatures, try to avoid getting, getting grabbed by the grots, long, sharp snatch a gear. And yeah. So like, you know, there you go. I do have one question for you before we move on. If you go to the cutaway of the drummer. Like a blue. Yeah. Is that, what is that? I think they got a vampire head. Okay. Is that, yeah, I'm not used to seeing something like that painted that way. I know. It's a really interesting skin tone they did on that guy. Yeah. It was like, is that a, is that a like a face mask? Or yeah. I think they got themselves a vampire head. I legit think that's what it is. Very nice. With them so bright gray boards, wandering in the swamp, they're just as dead as everybody else. Okay. There's, you know, that's the wrong place for them to be. Absolutely. And then so, uh, it talks about two of the cruel boys units from the Dominion box. So we're getting the, then the, um, gut rippas, um, which there's an alternate weapon in there. Uh, they can have the, instead of the vicious stickers, the long spears, they can have little one handers. Uh, this is going to be the worst option. It's almost impossible to believe this is not the worst option, giving them the little hackers. Yeah. Because they said that it's less reach openly in the stream. So it'll be just a one inch reach. Like the advantage of the little stabbas in the Dominion box set is you got a two inch reach. These guys are on 32 mil basis. So they can actually fight quite efficiently, efficiently in the new coherency rules. Um, getting all of their attacks and triggering sort of the maximum amount of mortal wounds. Um, put the, put, you know, you give 32 mil troops, a one inch reach and, and one wounds or whatever things that might have two wounds or whatever I remember, but I think they're two in dudes, but, um, yeah, like they're almost instantly less interesting. Right? These, you're going to, you're going to wander into, to Nomarty, Thrall territory, like so fast. Yeah. Even if they're, Nomarty thralls hit real hard, real hard. Their swords are good. Nobody plays them. Cause they're just, Yeah. I'm going to swing the five of my 20 guys. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, but I mean, they look cool. It's nice to have the box that they did say both options are in the box. Um, so you can use the, Yeah. Yeah. I think they were trying to showcase. It's like also the command options and like, um, Yeah. Nice to have, but this, this stray is back into like, this feels like one of the concepts that was, um, from like a Peter Jackson, one of the rings movie. Totally. Which isn't bad. It's just like, um, it's very evocative of a fantasy setting, which Warhammer is not used to looking like, I think is the main, the main way to put it. Agreed. Uh, yeah. And then we get the box actually for the man's viewer bolt boys, which I'm sure we're going to be very popular actually across many orc war clans armies. Uh, love the unit champion. Oh yeah. Yeah. If I were, if I were, if someone said the next painting competition, you have to enter more than you can't paint a storm cast and elf or like a low fantasy, like historical piece. I would probably pick the unit champion right here and like just the, just him, um, cranking the crossbow back, um, with the open shirt, just to show the scars and everything and the muscle underneath. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like the banner of just like, I really like that. I like just how this unit looks. Um, this one again, we have a unit of three. Um, I don't know if, no, I don't know if they asked if the push to fit applied to all of them. They said all of these are normal are going to be Stan. Okay. I was about to say because like, if you specifically go to the one who's just standing almost completely, um, like flat horizontally and holding the, like that looks like it could be push fit to me. Now that we, now we know it's not, but it was like, Oh, is this one of our push fit? Cause it is helpful to have kits like that. I think in the game. Sure. Cause when people come into a games workshop and they've like, I've heard of Warhammer from like computer games and like people talking about it online. Like it started in a cost effective manner and like those $15, $20, like three to five figure, like two parts. Yeah. Right. I think, I think that's a good place to put, um, at least some product from like the starter factions, but yeah, this, this looks nice. I'm glad. Um, yeah. And like the, having a ranged option in general for work lands outside of like, um, savage orcs. I think that's a, I think these dudes are going to be super popular because they, we know they like their, their, their bolts are actually pretty damaging, good rent, good damage. And we know that you, the cruel boys rule as you trigger on sixes to hit, you do mortal wounds equal to the damage you would have dealt. So, um, you know, they, like the fact that these guys have two damage weapons makes them very scary, right? Cause effectively they almost become like the, uh, the storm cast. Long strikes. Thank you. There we go. I was like, in my head, I was like scrolling through war scroll builder, trying to find the right entry. The one that comes with aether wings that deep can use more than storm cast. Sure. Uh, so yeah, I mean, all in all, and then of course right here, they say, yep, in fact, there's even more new miniatures on the way. Um, so good. I show us the drakes, show us the drakes. That's what I want to see. I'm going to see them Drake writing storm cast. I'm ready. Okay. Um, pre battle tones are available to pre-order in August. Um, yes. And you said a third battle tune will follow these in October. Yes. Something a little more chaos flavored. Cool. So, assumingly that pre-order week will, I'm sorry, it's at the end of July. I was thinking, yeah. So, uh, I'm hoping for like the first weekend there in August that they go for pre-order. And then we get them basically a week later. Uh, so. And they'll probably do another preview to say like, um, because obviously the battle tones are going to have pictures of units we haven't seen yet. So I think that would be a good time to do another preview like this where they show the rest of it to get ahead of like review copies of the army books. Yep. So exciting stuff. Didn't see as much as I was hoping, but I liked everything I saw. So I would have rather they really jumped in. I'm sad we have to wait a month on like, I fight with the instinct on one hand. I really want to get all this stuff quickly. On the other hand, I'm like, I've already got my dominion box. It's going to take me a long time to paint. What am I talking about? So I have to balance my small child, but I want it now instincts with, with the fact that I got plenty of armies to play and plenty of things to paint. And in the end of month will be, we'll go by before we know it. I don't want to wish my child away. She's back. Uh, yeah, the, oh, and deep tea said, sorry to interrupt, but I was interested what that spiral thing is in the back corner of your room. Um, yes, it's a wizard staff. It's a big wizard staff. And yes, it's from a Renaissance festival. That is correct. Yeah. Um, that is what it is. It's one of the, I bought it when I was like 18 and I've kept it for many more than two decades as I've moved a house over house and college apartment after college apartment. So there you go. It's one of the few things I still have from that time period. Uh, anyways, so, uh, yeah, Marty, any final thoughts before we call it a day here? Um, no, I'm interested to see what comes after this. I mean, it's our, it's, I don't want to say that like I am, I am not grateful for this, this Renaissance that we are having with storm cast Eternals on new side to how orcs are represented and, and, uh, sort of, um, uh, showcased it and miniature form. Um, I'm good as a, I'm glad as a luminous player with that. It's not, it's not another luminous army. Like every eight months, you can go back to, uh, well, I mean storm cast, like it was due, like they, they, we went a whole three years. Yeah. I've been basically the entire cycle of iOS too. Yeah. Uh, there were like some holiday models and that was it or store opening models. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, um, I'm going to be picking up probably the storm cast home to crack it open and see like how the lore is advanced. Um, how I can, um, possibly play, uh, the celestial of indicators in a new way, but probably for more casual games, we'll say. Um, and, uh, yeah, it was, it was a good preview. I agree. Look forward to seeing, uh, them Drake writers get them in my hands. Uh, so, uh, with that, Martin, thank you so much for joining me today, brother. I really appreciate it. Thank you all out there for watching. If you didn't hit like already, hit like. We really appreciate it. It helps other people find the show, find the channel, uh, subscribe. Obviously if you haven't already, we'll keep being here talking about this stuff next Wednesday on the show. We're going to be talking about the new FAQs that came out. Oh boy. There's some stuff and we will talk about it deeply. But for all of you out there watching, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Hope you're all enjoying this beautiful weekend. Uh, hope you've got maybe some new fancy models to paint and you're, you're right now gluing them together or getting ready to get the pain happening, but we appreciate you watching. Don't forget to hit that like as always. We'll see you next time.