 All right, let's call the meeting to order this meeting is being recorded Katie is not being not able to join us tonight. So she's going to take minutes from the recording. Okay. Okay. Is there public comment for items not on the agenda. Any addition. Any additions or changes to the agenda. I don't have any additions or changes, but I, when we get to the point in the meeting of new business, I do have something to bring up. Okay. Right. Do we want to take any time to talk about color hill at all or just not tonight we don't really have time. That's fine. That's good. There goes Toby again, just when we need them. So. Last year. We applied for two grants and didn't receive them. They're listed on the agenda. This is the section off of route 14 that's paved on Lightning Ridge to the school. Yeah. And they wanted to repay that. And then to resize a culvert on loose road. And then we got them from 48 to 66 inches. And we, like I said, we applied for both last year and didn't receive them. So this is what Toby is asking us to sign off on again this year. So nothing is really nothing is new, except for Rick wasn't on the board then. But it's the same projects. So. The road application up first. Toby's trying to come back in now. There he is. Hopefully he'll stay connected. So this is the Lightning Ridge road application. And if you want to ask Toby some questions he might be gone for a few. He could answer them. I'm back. I had a little computer problem. I've been reminding the board that these were two grants that we applied for last year that we didn't receive. I don't remember why we didn't receive them. Well, because they didn't give out any grants last year. Oh, that's right. Is there Toby is there anything in particular that we should be aware of or concerned about with either these projects or the grants. No, one is a repaving of a section of payment by the school and the other one is replacing a culvert that has some trouble. Is it just on the, is it basically from 14 up to where it turns this down. That's correct. Yeah, okay. Yeah. When was the last time we did that to me. No idea. I know it must have been a long time. Yeah, it's been a while. That's a pretty good life for a piece of paper. Yeah. Okay, so what we're looking to do is to. Approve. Applying for these grants. I make a motion that we approve. I make a motion that we approve their operations manager. Replying for the class to repaving a section root for. From 14 to the school and the covert grant for loose and the covert for loose road. Oh, second. Okay. Is there any further discussion? All right, you ready to vote. Can I have a quick question on that one? I was just. Yeah, go ahead. Is that part of the, I mean, the upsizing on that. Is that something that. Is that monitor size. I just don't know the history on it. Yeah, it's, it's too small. Most of the large culverts in town are way smaller than they need to be. And with. The new. The new. Storm cycle that we get the hydraulics are actually asking us to put much larger culverts in. Yeah, okay. Now that's fine. Right. And we go up and state grants require hydrology study. So essentially the state agency of natural resources that actually gives us a number of what size the whole should be. Yeah. Do they do there's a natural bottom. Or they just. Message or anything. I'm sorry, I didn't understand your question. It's hard to hear Rick. It's really hard to hear you for some reason. Is this better? Is that better? That is better. I'm just, are they, are they doing those with like natural bottoms in them? Or are they just. Great. It depends on the stream and whether there's, I mean, a lot of times we do have to put stone fill in the bottom of the culverts. Yeah. Okay. I just, I don't know whether there were. I don't know if there were fish. If there were fish habitat issues with that. Well, that, that's part of the hydraulic study. So essentially the state tells us how big the hole is and what the condition of the bottom of the culvert needs to be depending on the stream. Yeah. Okay. I do. I have a couple of questions, Toby. So I saw Alfred, he's the one. I assume that the paving thing, the paving project we would hire. Yeah. We would hire out. And the culvert project is that one that the crew will do? Are we hiring that out? We'd hire that out as well. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready to vote? Yeah. All right. Cliff. Hi. I'm an eye, Rick. Hi. Sharon. Hi. All right. Thank you, Toby for doing this again. Yeah. Thanks. All right. All right. Next is the Gail Graham. Thank you, Gail, for resending the application. This is the one we talked about at our last. Meeting and. It was noted as agricultural and we confirmed that it was really residential. So we just asked Gail. To send in a revised application. Nothing else has changed. So we're going to go through the site. And I'm going to tell you what the site is. I'm going to tell you what the site is. And what you've offered. You've reviewed. As you said before. The site. And you don't have any concerns with. Site distance or anything like that. Right. Right. We're just recommending a culvert. Inside. Out of the right away. What size culvert. 15 inch. Okay. Okay, recommend a 15 inch culvert outside. What did you say outside the right of way? Outside the right of way. Yeah. Okay, and you've talked to Gail about that. Yes. Okay, Gail, are you good with doing that? Yes. Yes. Okay. Is that ditch line right outside of that right way on that? Or does it run? Does it get the word out there? There's a culvert across culvert above their driveway. Oh, I got you. So we don't need a culvert at the driveway. Just, just, it's going to come out of the off of the road above their driveway and it's just going to create problems for their driveway if they don't put a culvert in. Oh yeah, no question. But their culvert will be outside of the right way. So that's why it's just a recommendation. Yeah, I got you. Okay. Hey, is there any, anything else with this? I think we, we basically just wanted the correct paperwork. So the number, the number on it didn't change. It just says revised and there was no additional filing fee. So I would make a motion to approve the curb cut with the recommended 15 inch culvert outside the right of way, which Gail Graham has agreed to do. Anything else on, we should have on the motion. All right, looking for a second. All second. All right, any further discussion or questions? All right, you're ready to vote. Cliff. Hi. I'm an eye. Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. All righty, very good. All right. Toby, Alfred, anything else really quick that you need to update us? What's the status of the chipper? It's dead. It's dead. Well, then it needs to be really, really alive because I need it and the voters voted it and we need to pursue it. And I don't know, are you asking us to pursue it or are you guys going to do it like you did before? But we do need a chipper and we need it as soon as possible. Well, right now John is dealing with a bunch of family personal issues, so he's not available. And I don't know when he will be. Would you be willing to check in on it and see what you can find? We certainly will. We just needed some direction from you because you took it and ran with it the last time and we were not involved. I guess we should be looking for something up to $25,000. Yeah, you guys, I think that's smart. You guys are going to be more familiar with that equipment. With Alfred, you know, with what, you know, with something that seems so I think that should probably, if you can lead on that, that's great. Yeah, and also, you know, don't forget to look for some decent used one and don't forget. We're not going to get a new one for $25,000, but no, definitely not. Okay, and don't forget to come back to us with, you know what we're going to ask you for questions about the chipper, you know. Right, there's that fresh paint on it, right. Right, right. Yeah. And what's happening with looking for a used truck? Have you had anything else or any bites? There's two trucks that are available that were taken in trade, but they won't be available until later in the season. They're being traded in from other towns to Charlie boys, one of which I'm really like the looks of and the specs that it has, but it's not going to be available until, like in September, like in the fall. Can you handle the weight for it, if it's someone that's in good shape or is that? Well, I think, yes, I can show interest, but, you know, I don't know how to go about it. I mean, it's not available until the town gets their new one. Right, well, when you're talking with them, don't forget to say that, you know, you got to have some lead time because the select board has to approve the expenditure. So let me make a suggestion. Let's talk to Charlie boys and find out what we would be making the deal for in September. We will get you all the specifications of the truck and we will present it to you well in advance and we'll put some money down to hold it because the last time we found a truck we really wanted, it disappeared under our watch and we need to be proactive on this and I'm sure we can work with Sandy and Charlie boys to figure out, you know, when it arrives, as long as it passes a few tests and it hasn't gotten 100,000 miles since the time we looked at it, then I think it's a reasonable approach. So Toby, can I just repeat what I think you said and make sure that I understood you correctly? So you're gonna bring back to us the specs. That's the word you said, right? For what you're looking for and ask us to approve specs within, I'm assuming, a budget. And then the only other thing I would ask you maybe to add to that is a little bit about what your due diligence process will be. You know, how are you gonna kick the tires and look under the hood or how are you gonna, you know, what's the shopping around sort of thing? Well, that would be going to the town that it came from and talking to the people that drove it and maintained it. That's great. Just to have that as part of the package proposal. Okay, guys, here's our proposal. Here's how we're gonna know we got a good deal. Here's what we think we need. Here's what we think the budget is. Please bless us in advance so that when we find that we can, right? That's what you're saying. That's correct. Yeah. Is this just a general approval or I thought you were talking about maps. There's a specific truck that you're looking, you're thinking about. This would be a specific truck that we have identified that may not be available till September. Okay. And we would have to put some financing down in order to guarantee that that truck when it came in for trade-in would be available to us and we could move on it immediately. So that's what I thought you were saying. All right, I misunderstood. So there is actually like a gray truck in some other town that you know exactly which one you want. That's correct. Maybe it's red. Okay. Yeah. And we would also wanna make sure that if we decide we don't wanna buy it, can we get our deposit back? Well, I'll let you know as soon as we talk to Charlie Boyce about what they're willing to do. Okay. Good. All right. You do need to, I mean, assuming they come up with some reasonable response on that. I mean, do you need us to do an approval now or can we well-await it? No, let us talk to them first and then we'll come back to you with the proposal how we wanna structure it. I just wanted to make you guys aware that we need to do this a little bit differently than just going in, finding a truck sitting somewhere that's available. Yeah, this is smart. And then having to wait for a decision. Right. That's what's happened to us in the past. Right. And the truck that we love and that fits our will and then we have to wait for a decision and we lose the truck. Yeah. With this lead time, with this lead time, I will go get the information that you're looking for. And at that point, you can give me a yay or nay so that when the time comes in September or October, whenever it is, I can just purchase it when it's available. Yeah, thanks for getting the ducks in the row. Yeah. New topic. And maybe I should have said I wanna add this but it only curts me as I'm listening to Toby and Alfred. Alfred, especially. So my daffodils are almost in full bloom which is a two, if not three week, more three weeks earlier, two or three weeks earlier than usual. And we've heard from Peter about his thoughts about invasives. So it is not too early to be thinking about roadside mowing. Chippers always make me think about mowers for some reason. So I just wanna put that plant in your brain to let's make sure we have a schedule to get ahead of the invasives, all the stuff we talk about but I feel like we're always talking about it like the turbo's up, the turbo's up, it's going nuts on Lightning Ridge. So like, Denise, maybe we wanna hear, maybe I don't. This is, I put this down as an agenda item for the 26. Okay, and so Alfred, in case that having a schedule and talking about it and being on top of it wasn't on your radar then, it isn't too soon. Thank you, Denise. Yeah, yeah, that's why I put it on. Oh, with that, I know that we've got money in the budget for a fifth employee. Is that something that we should be trying to think about given? That won't kick in until July 1st, Alfred. Well, that's fine. But there's no reason to not start thinking about it. Yes. Right, I'm just thinking that with mowing, it takes a man away from the rest of my activities. So if that is gonna take place, then we should start thinking about that now because July is not all that far away. Oh yeah, yeah it is. I hope it is, I hope it is. Well, in the process of finding an employee, it's not very far, it's not very much time. Yeah. So Alfred, another way to think about it is that filling potholes takes away from invasive mowing. Okay, well, where's your priority, Sharon? Where do you want potholes or do you want to try to throw down the evasives? I mean, I can park the graders. I can park both graders for all summer and just focus on roadside mowing. I can do that. What we've been saying for a couple of years or four, because I've been on the board for four years, is that it's really all of these things. And we gotta find, I mean, the invasives, the invasives are very time-sensitive. And that's, I think, what we continue to underestimate is a time sensitivity of getting that done. I understand that potholes also need to be filled, but when the chervil's starting to come up and the wild parsnip, I would prioritize that. That's me. Yeah. That's my opinion, that's just my opinion. Well, in here, we're gonna be much further ahead on the pothole filling than typical years because of the dry weather. I mean, we are never this far ahead. Yeah, are we about two to three weeks ahead, Alfred? At least, yeah, I mean, it's just never this early. So we're further ahead. Well, as the manager of the road crew, I would say, you know, come up with a plan. Yeah, well, this is part of my plan is talking about whether I'm gonna have enough help this summer or not. And I guess... Well, like I said, yeah, we put the money in the budget, but the money isn't there to spend until July 1st, but there's no reason you can't start thinking about it. Okay. And putting it into your plan and how you plan to manage the crew and get everything done that needs to be done and... Right, well, that's the answer I was looking for. Just... And make everybody happy. Right. You're never gonna make everybody happy, trust me. No, and you know... I don't know about you guys, but I'm not getting any complaints about the road. I'm just, I think we're making people happy. Yeah, well, I think the important thing in this is we're not gonna get all the way this year, too, I mean it's just, we're familiar with when the money has to happen. And Sharon's absolutely right with these invasives, you know, there's certain time where... Rick, you gotta lean in or something. We can't hear you. There are certain time windows that you have to get with these invasives. Sharon's right with that. So, I mean, we may not be able to get it all exactly right this year, but if we can start scheduling this in a way so that we can at least get, start getting ahead of this at the right time, then, you know, we probably won't be able to get it all after you've, you know, by this week. So, Rick, just so you know, we've been trying to get into some kind of a schedule and rhythm for the last couple of years, so we've been working on it. So, yeah, we're on it, but this really wasn't a topic for discussion tonight. And if we're gonna pay attention to wanting to keep on track here, we've got a couple of minutes, but I'm good. I just wanted to make sure that Alfred's got that on his mind before the turbo starts to wave at us. And Gail, you had a comment? I just want to say that I want to compliment the group because last Friday I drove the West County road up to Woodbury and there was a noticeable difference between how well the callous part was and I got to Woodbury. I just wanted to add that. Thank you, Gail. That's very nice. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, it's been nice, nice work, I think, for part two. Yeah. Alfred is on the great end. And Alfred, I have not, I haven't really received complaints. I think there was a couple of things on front porch form but they didn't seem to be that significant. So thank you to you and the crew for staying on top of things. Yeah, you're welcome. So I have one more thing before we move on to other agenda items. And it's just, it should be a simple question, simple thing. As you guys, you may know that the Memorial Hall is starting, they're starting to work on that. And so I've got a phone call from the contractor that wants to come in and work on lifting the building and doing his jacking, whatever he's doing. It's gonna bring in heavy equipment in. So I told him that if he could wait until next week that would be great. Just because of the conditions of our roads, I'll be able to lift the poster signs and it won't be causing damage. However, in that process, I went and looked at GAR road. And because of it was muddy and people went through it, it's pretty muddy now. And so I'm wondering, is it okay if I can put, can I put some gravel and fix that road up a little bit before the contractor and for other people that are gonna be traveling? I think that history has shown that the road crew has historically done some maintenance on that as a fourth-class road. Just like sometimes there's maintenance done on other fourth-class roads, Apple Hill comes to mind. So as long as we're just, my opinion would be as long as we're just doing what we usually do for that road or any other fourth-class road. Well, I don't mean to go crazy. I just, there's a couple of spots that were very ruddy and a little bit of gravel and run the grater over it. We'll make it a lot better. I mean, this contractor's gonna be bringing in heavy trucks. And it's just going to make it worse if we don't give it some solid to stand on. Yeah, some structure a little bit. I mean, I guess, you know, it's within your discretion as the manager to decide what needs to be done. Just, you know, like I said, historically, we have done some maintenance on there occasionally. Yep. That's the, I think they're using it from the boat landing side, back. I'm not exactly sure which way they'll come in. It's certainly shorter and straighter from the fishing access side. Okay, yeah. But both sides, both, I mean, all the way around that road is pretty, pretty ruddy and pretty rough. Yeah, yeah, I know it is, it's not much of a difference. So, definitely a class four. I just don't want, you know, I'm just trying to avoid a big mask fall. So, I will use my judgment on how much work I do to it. Yeah, just, you know, I mean, we typically, like I said, have done work on some fourth class roads. So, keeping with that same way we do things. Yeah. Yeah. All right, thank you, Alfred and Toby. Have a good evening. Thank you. Okay. Thanks guys. Yep, take care. Thanks guys. Good night. Good night. All right, Judy, you're up. Thank you so much for all your work on helping us to be able to figure out a timeline for your departure. Again, you know, you've been awesome to work with and really appreciate the team effort, even though, you know, it's, you're individually elected as are the rest of us, but it's really makes it a nice, better working relationship to have somebody like you in the office. So thank you. Thank you. So tonight we have to, Judy sent us a letter. It's dated March 22nd. Assume it's in the folder, Cliff. It is in the folder. Would you like me to pull it up on screen? Sure. Okay, well I'm doing that. I would like to make a motion that we not accept Judy's letter of resignation. I'll second that. Give me a moment to pull it up. Okay. While you're pulling it up, I'm going to go get my water. What we can do when it gets pulled up is go through the timeline that Judy created and Jim has looked at the timeline. So I think it's good. Okay, hopefully everyone can see that now. I believe the board has had a chance to read that. So I'll pull down to the timeline. Judy, does it feel surreal that tonight's the night, this thing you've been thinking about and planning and talking about? I think it will feel more surreal, like around June 30th. Yeah, we're going to keep you busy until then. Right. And the fact that we don't have an heir apparent makes it seem a little abstract at this point. Yeah, I'm sure. Have we ever not had, has there ever been a time where somebody, where there wasn't a candidate for a town clerk? Well, Eva worked for 48 years. So we're relatively new at this, aren't we? And Donna wanted that job. Boy, did Donna want that job. And she waited five years and did all kinds of other jobs before she got it. And I kind of fell into it actually as an assistant town clerk. And so this is the first time, at least in, you know. In recent history. In like 55, 60 years or something. I don't know how Eva, I know when Eva first started, it was actually David Morris and she did all the work but they didn't want a woman doing it. So they finally got their arms twisted and elected Eva because she was actually doing the work. Yeah. Okay, so let's run through the timeline. And tonight we're going to need to accept Judy's resignation and the terms in there that she refers to with regards to pay and benefits. And then we're going to need to do a point at Interim Town Clerk and approve a special meeting warning. So thank you, Judy for getting everything ready for us. Yeah. So we need to, all right. Is anybody have any questions on Judy's memo or timeline? Okay, hearing none. So I would make a motion then to accept and approve Judy's memo of March 22nd and with the conditions that she put in the letter of, oh, where is it in her letter? Second paragraph. It is, yeah. She wrote that you received the same pain benefits from now until the end of June or whenever this, or whenever we get a new town clerk. No, it would be June 30th because as of July 1st, I'm no longer. Right. All right. This is, yeah. Okay. So through and including June 30th. Is there a second? Five seconds. Any further discussion or questions? Board members, Judy? Comments. Oh, go ahead, Cliff. Just want to thank Judy for being willing to work with us on this and definitely going above and beyond in terms of flexibility and just all the more reason why we will miss you, Judy. Yes. Yeah, thank you, Judy. Yeah. Thank you. And being that whoever this new mystery person is will probably not have a great deal of experience. I will be available in the rest of July to do training. Okay, great. Thank you again. Thank you. Helping us make, helping the town make this a smooth transition is really important. Yeah. Thank you, Judy. I do have, I just want to think underscore that we, so Judy is going to, or is resigning tonight. We accept the resignation tonight, which we're not doing now. We're just talking about it. And then, oh, you did. Right. Right. So we're in the middle. We haven't, we haven't, what did yet? So then we have 10 days to notify the public of the vacancy. Yeah. We have a sample notice, which we'll get to. Okay. I was going to say, what does that look like? I guess it looks like announcing it to the world and putting it on Facebook and whatever. Okay. Okay. So are you ready to vote on the motion? Yeah. Okay. Cliff. Hi. I'm in, I'm sorry to leave. Thank you. Cliff, I mean, Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. Okay. We have a draft notice of vacancy. Cliff, can you call that up? Yeah. Let me see if I can, I did not see that in the folder earlier. You know, I don't think that's something you have to approve. I've actually already posted that. Jim said it was okay to post it at any time. Oh, okay. It's on the website or the same languages. I posted it in Maple Corner. I haven't gotten over to East Calus yet. It's in the town office. So I think what you do have to approve is the warning. Right. That actually, once you approve it, it's, we can't post it until May 22nd, which would be the first day. At the same time, I think it would be appropriate. Like I think what I understood, Jim saying would be for the select board, maybe to make an announcement on front porch forum. You know, to make it clear what's happening. Now, does this notice of vacancy need to go in the newspapers or only the notice of the special town meeting? Well, that doesn't- Jim said we should put it in the places as possible, just like we would more in a meeting or whatever. So- You mean the vacancy? Yeah. Yeah. He recommended that we be consider even going above and beyond what we normally do and putting it in the paper. That's smart. Yeah. We don't have to annotate. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to put it like in the world. Times Argus, Hardwick Gazette. And at least once a week on front porch forum. I mean, people don't necessarily read it every day. He did not put in the notice that it needs to be a callous resident and registered voter. I added that. And I think it's really important because somebody if they're interested would have to move to town and register to vote. In order to run. And then they might not be elected. So I think that's an important piece to add to the notice. Yes, I agree. Yeah, that's really important. Because some people might not know. Right. Cliff, can you go back to that language? So, yeah, thank you. So that language can be just picked up and dropped on front porch forum once a week between now and whenever candidates have to announce themselves, right? Yeah, and I think it would be good to include in the front porch forum posting this link to this section of the website because there is additional information embedded. Yeah, which is the description in the candidate form. Yep. Yep. Today, I I deleted the manual from the Vermont League because it's actually really intimidating. A lot of the things we don't do, we don't register cars and there's a lot of things that we don't do. So I feel like it's better just to have a simple job description and then I can talk to people about what's real. And I'm actually writing a manual that's specific to Callas. Oh, wow. Great. Thank you. I have wonder, you know, Karen Strydesberg would be. You know, Karen, is this the town clerk that's in your land? Rick, what are we talking about? I'm going to get to hear you. I'm talking about the town clerk position. But I think she's going to be town clerk when Rosemary, but she doesn't live in Callas, right? I thought she didn't have to. I thought you just said that. No, no, no. Oh, well, I misunderstood. I thought you didn't have to. No, you have to. Yeah, we probably shouldn't be talking. We maybe shouldn't be talking about specific individuals, right? OK, sorry, Michael. Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't understand you. All right, so Denise, are you going to put that on front porch forum? Sure. I mean, I already announced it myself, but I think the select board is a different front. Yeah, I mean, at least once to make sure that we were checking the select board has to announce box. Yeah, I'll put it on. All right, now we need to review the special town meeting morning. OK, and it's the one that says clean on it. OK, well, it's. Yeah, the one I have is the one where Jim made some changes in red. So I'm assuming it's the same thing, right? And then he gave a second one, which is posted, which is without the red marks. It's the same. OK, perfect. OK, I found the clean one. Pretty simple. Yeah, it's very simple. Thank goodness, right? And we won't have to. We won't. I'm just thinking ahead. We won't need to do a special public forum for this, right? I mean, it's pretty straightforward. There's nothing to discuss if the candidates, if we get a whole small candidates and they want to have a public forum, and that's sort of up to them. I was reading maybe some minutes from today, something I read today specifically said, we do not have to have a special forum or informational meeting. But maybe that was it. OK, that was one of the things that Jim and shared with us that we don't need to do that in this case. But, yes, if there were multiple candidates and they wanted to have an opportunity to make their case to the voters of Calis, they could have that option to post their own forum. Yeah, and, of course, we would support that. Yeah. All right. So is everybody good with the warning? I would make a motion that we approve the warning as. Noted here for a special town needing to be held on June 30th. For the election of a town clerk. I'll second that. Yeah, any further discussion or questions? I have a question. Yes. So if if somebody came in and said they wanted to put another article on here, like we should recognize every first Tuesday of the month is Blue Hat Day in the town of Calis. Simple example, do we then have to go back and re approve the warning with that second article added? I would think so, yeah. OK, well, then that's why I brought that up, just so everyone's aware that that possibility exists. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody could ask to have anything added. I don't know what the deadline would be for that, but you could find out or something. I would think it would have to be. Well, Judy could tell us probably for certain. But if we got to get this out to everybody. Well, the 24th, I think, would be the deadline, wouldn't it, Judy? The 31st is the last day to warn the election, the 31st. OK. The first day to warn it is the 22nd. So if we send it out on the 22nd and then people rallied and wanted something added, it would need to be turned around and reposted by the 31st in order to meet to have everything line up for June 30th. OK, OK. So really, so really the 31st, we wouldn't probably want to post this then. Until the 31st. Well, I say do it early because the 24th is when petitions are due. I mean, well, consent forms are due. I just think the earlier we get it out, the better. Yeah. Oh, I see what you mean. But I don't think anybody would add to it if they didn't see it. We we can send it. I'm sorry, go ahead, Sharon. Is it the 31st of May or the 30th of April? 33 May is OK. Last day to warn it in order to be a June 30th election. OK. The window is no more than 40 days before, no less than 30 days before. Right. Got it. All right. Are you ready to vote? All right, Cliff. I am an eye. I'm an eye, Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. All right, I think that takes care of what we need to do for the town court position. Judy, thank you. Yeah, thank you. You put this all together so nice and neat for us. My little package. There is one more piece, which either you can do tonight or future. And that is determining whether to mail all the ballots to all the voters due to covid. And I don't know if you want to do that later. You know, Barbara and I will be planning how to execute all of this and get a lot, you know, if it's 1,400 things we need to mail, we might be working with Jet Service or whatever makes the rehab. So I don't know if you want to tackle that tonight or a later time. Well, we do have a little bit of time so we could talk about it. Um, my preference would be to do what we did with town meeting before, which is to mail a ballot to every registered voter. Yep. I agree. I mean, we could go we could go somewhere else and then have three candidates and a hotly contested race. And the fact that we decided not to mail ballots becomes a political prove not hot. Yeah, I'm just out of curiosity. Is there going to be a time issue with that? Are we going to have enough windows for that? You've got to do, Rick, you've got to turn up your volume or something. We can't hear you. Sorry. No, it's all right. Is this better? A little bit better. They're going to what are we going to have adequate time to do that mailing in the back? The only question I would have with that, I agree. I'd like to see it nailed to everybody. It's a it's a regulated timeline of when they have to go out. And we would definitely meet that. It would be have the same as town meeting in terms of time. OK, so we won't be. I'm thinking of the mail service itself. Getting delivered and then getting them returned. I just want to make sure people don't move away. They are mailed and they're mailed on May 28th. Yeah, and in the elections, June 30th, so that's. For a week, that's a lot of time. And we did the same, Rick, to see, you know, for. I mean, this past town meeting and it was. I don't we didn't really get any complaints. Did we, Judy? No, it was really smooth. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds good. Thanks. All right. Do you want to? We didn't put it on the agenda, but I don't think. I think it's still I think it applies to all of this. Or we can put it on the next agenda. You want to vote on it tonight? The ballots. Yeah. I think let's wait one meeting, you know, in case some other angle occurs to us. It feels like it feels like it is in a big deal, but I want to leave room for maybe it is. OK, so I'll put it on the agenda for the 26th. And that's plenty enough time to make the decision. Anyways, yeah. And then, yeah, if people see the minutes from tonight and have an opinion, they can. Yeah. OK, that's fine. All right. Anything else, Judy? Everything else good at the town office? Everything's routine at this point. Yes. All the all no surprises. Oh, I mean, there are surprises, but that's part of it. Right. That's the beauty of being in town clerked. There's always something new. Right. Thank you all very much for your support and for making this just move forward. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for coordinating all. OK, OK, all right. Bye, Judy. Bye bye. Yeah, I'm going to see you tomorrow. Oh, that's right. I'll see you tomorrow. What's tomorrow? A little search. Oh, in person, Jack and I are doing a title search. In person. In person. Wow. Yep. Little little training. When we have all those land records online, Karen, why do we have all those land records and cuts? If you're going to do this, so we could so we could do ours from here and only have to go into the town offices for two that we have to go back further. Ah, good. Yeah, yeah. See you tomorrow, Judy. OK, bye bye. OK, so I sent around a list of appointments. Did everybody get that list? Is it in a folder? Yeah, it's not in the folder, but I can pull it up. OK, that's great. And it's not it's not quite eight o'clock yet. And I know Tom was planning to join the meeting tonight to talk about the trails committee. So maybe we could just do some various appointments. All right. So there is some that something about regional planning commission. We really need to do that tonight because they're getting ready to start holding meetings and such. So they need to confirm who is filling the slots and John. I sent John a couple of emails, but I'm sure he's not. Routinely checking emails with everything else is going on. But we could reappoint. Jan Olson to as the alternate David Ellen Bogan as tack and Karen McNeil as the alternate attack. Then there is we already did Central Vermont Solid Waste Management and Toby has declined to be reappointed to the VSP board and Peter Harvey hasn't gotten back to me. One thought I did have with the Vermont State Police Advisory Board was to ask Rose to serve and she might be willing, depending on what night the meetings are and whether they conflict with another scheduled meeting she has on Tuesday nights. And then CV Fiber, we don't really need two alternates. We just need one. And both David Healy and Jared Thomas said that they would be willing to continue to serve. So I would suggest that I would move the slate of appointees as noted here to CVRPC and CV Fiber. I'll second. And then I have a couple of questions. OK, sure. Go ahead. So. So the OK, this helps me understand what I did earlier. So the 20, even though it says 20, 20, does that the 20 20? Let me say it another way. Well, no, I don't understand the dates, Denise. So 20, 21 for one year term, but then 20, 22. Is that did those flip because we already did them? Is that why they're 20, 22? Yeah, yeah, because we already did solid waste. OK, so those flipped that day. OK, right. Maybe we can change the green because they're done. And then the 20, 20s should have been done a year ago. But whoops, they weren't right. OK. And so OK. And so in there, those are all one year terms. So OK, got it. OK, so you said I made a motion. You seconded it. Is anybody else have any comments or questions? Yes, you need me to step in any of these. You are just glad to if you want to say I can. Rick, you've got to do something with your with your. All right. Is it better? I mean, I do need you to step in the idea that you sort of got. Or did you go? Yeah. Well, let's see how let's see how we do with with this. But then thank you for the offer that that's really helpful. All right, are you ready to vote? Yep. Cliff. Hi, I'm and I, Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. And perhaps we could do. E911 coordinator and willing, she sent me an email and said she's willing to continue. And this is the time of year where things can start getting busy with people doing building and those kinds of things. So it would be good if we could get agree to reappoint her to this position. I'll make a motion that we are reappoint and to the E911 board. OK, I'll second that. Anybody have any comments or questions or are you ready to vote? Well, just note that we are thankful for Anne's willingness to continue in the role. Yes, absolutely. All right, Cliff, you ready to vote? I am and I, Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. OK. Historic Preservation Commission. That's on my little chart there. Um, does does Katie is Katie keeping this chart now? Yes. OK. So what I did is I copied stuff from her spreadsheet so that we weren't looking at the whole thing. Just what I was hoping would get done tonight. That's why there's the separate one. So I wouldn't get confused. Maybe nobody, maybe nobody else would be confused, but I might. Um, I was thinking, don't we have a lot more than this? Oh, yeah, we do. We do. Gotcha. And and chairs are checking with their committees. So anyways, we have for Historic Preservation, and you'll know. Tobin Anderson and Susanna Blatchley. We didn't reappoint them last year, even though they should have been, but we had the covid stuff and we never did get around to appointments. And then this year is Karen Lane and Larry Bush, and they've all requested to be reappointed. And David Sheets would be thrilled if they were all reappointed. So that's why you'll see in the term that these are the Historic Preservation Commission members are three year terms. So if you go back to twenty twenty, then that's why those expire in twenty three and Karen and Larry, whose terms expire, twenty one. Three year terms makes them expire in twenty four. Got it. So I would make a motion to reappoint those four members of the Historic Preservation Submission. Seconds. Any other comments or questions? All right, Cliff. Hi, I'm an I, Rick. We can't hear you, Rick. Still can't hear you, Sharon. You want to vote? I'm an I. OK. Rick, you can give us a thumbs up. That's three. Yep. There you go, Rick's and I. He's with a thumbs up. Thank you, Rick. I don't know what's going on with your. It's all Melanie's fault that the computer isn't cooperating tonight, right, Rick? OK, so the Trails Committee seems like it's the welcome, Tom. Hi. Hi, Denise. Hi, everybody. How are you doing good? So the Trails Committee seems to be the most popular committee in town. Hmm. It sounds like a lot of fun. It is. And it sounds like you have a really great new project. But do you want to tell us a little bit about that project? Which one? The one with some kind of a bridge. Right. Well, we were. We've got a bit of a push towards some construction projects this summer. The biggest, most ambitious project is putting a boardwalk and an observation deck at the end of the Little Mud Pond spur trail that comes off of the Broadview Farm Trail up in the northeast corner of the town. Little Mud Pond is this very remote, isolated, little pristine mountain pond. Part of a series of ponds up there in that region. And the land that the boardwalk would be going on is owned by Tim Howe. And Tim has really been the one who's pushed this. So. So we're very excited about the prospect of building this. It would be kind of similar to the one at Chickering Bog. I think about the same length. And Randy Allen has given us a quote for for doing the work. It's not cheap. And that's why I came to you, Denise, because usually since I've been chairman, I, you know, the the kinds of appropriations or quests have been rather small, just for signage and some hardware here and there for putting up sign stuff like that. But this is a big, big one. His estimate is twenty five hundred dollars. We have the money in our account and then some. But it's it is a big, big expenditure. Then we also. We just built another kiosk on one of our trails up on the Robinson Hill Road, and that we were able to raise from private funds to pay for that. But we'd like to put up another one at the Calistown Forest. And the estimate for that is six hundred fifty dollars unless we could raise the funds privately somehow. And Randy has has indicated his. Interest in that project, I met with the Conservation Commission about it because the Conservation Commission really is in charge over there. And they were all in favor of the project. We thought it would be a great idea to have a kiosk there so we could have some mapping put up for the trail system, working on the mapping already and maybe some other information about the Calistown Forest, the Trails Committee, the Conservation Commission just orient people towards that trail system over there. So those are the two big, I guess, building projects we have. Yeah, well, after you after you sent that, then I got to thinking about it. That I think you've got a donation of like two thousand dollars. It was that that was unrestricted funds. Yeah, we can then I don't think I don't I don't recall. How the other money got in there. But if there wasn't there was no money that wasn't specifically a approved article at its town meeting warning, that was there that's in that account that would have had some kind of restrictions on what it could be used for. I can check with Sandra and also with Reed, of course, Reed Charrington, who has a lot more history with the committee about that. But off the top of my head, I don't believe there are any specific restrictions for any of that those funds. Yeah, I think and I think Sandra said there were there was like three thousand something dollars in the right in your in your current account. Yeah, we're really we're fundraising all the time. So we can three five hundred is in your account right now. So this is a big part of the budget to get all these these these projects. Again, we might be able to access some private funding for it, too. So, you know, it's. Yeah, what I don't know how it will come out in the end, but something on that. Yeah, well, what I'm getting at is we really appreciate knowing about the project. It's really sounds really really great project. But if the funds are in your account and there's no restrictions on how to use them, then, in my opinion, you can just spend them as you see fit. Yeah. Yeah, well, I appreciate knowing that and thanks for your email about it, because I just I'm still kind of new to the chairmanship. And I just didn't feel entirely comfortable making the decision. Well, I would make it on my own. It would be a decision by the committee and we've talked about it, but not in in the detail that we'll have to at our next meeting. But anyway, I just wanted some direction from the select board about that. So I appreciate that. No, that's fine. I'm glad that you are letting us know. I'm sorry, Sharon. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I agree completely. And the one thing that occurred to me, Tom, in this spirit is I and rest of you correct me if I'm if I'm wrong. Um, I think the purchasing policy would apply and not to this circumstance, not as I just pulled it up to kind of flip through it. Is that $5,000? Sure, it's five. It's five thousand Tom, but but just to be aware. In fact, I have an email with the link and I'll email it to you. Yeah, because as a general matter, it would apply to you. It applies to any town expense. And so, you know, read through it and know what the parameters are. And it'll be something you'll say, oh, good, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, no, I I thought about that, but knowing that it was under five thousand. But it's good. It would be good for you to see it. So thank you, Sharon, for sending it to appreciate. I appreciate that. Thank you, Sharon. Um, OK, and then you have another request, which is to increase the membership on the trails committee. You've had one resignation, Yale Graham. She was on there a long time. How long was she on there? She's been on there since the inception of the of the committee. Really? Yeah, for so long time. Yeah. Yeah. And she resigned, I think it was back in March. And so that would that would create one vacancy. And then you're asking us to increase the membership from nine to 10. So that would be two positions, correct? Yeah, that seemed to be the consensus on the committee when I polled everyone that we interviewed the two candidates who I believe are are here on Zoom. Tim looks like they are Tom Cronin. And we were very impressed with both of them. We really couldn't make make a decision between them. And so one possibility we were thinking about was asking the board to just increase the membership from nine to 10. Yes. And we've done we've done this just for a little background for others. We've done this periodically with the Planning Commission. We've gone from five to seven to nine back to seven down to five. Conservation Commission kind of the same thing. I think we've done maybe at least once. So it's within our purview to be able to change the size of the number of members. Are you not worried? OK, I know what I know what you're going to say. OK, go ahead. Go ahead. Read my mind. I was going to say, usually we like an odd number. So if there's a vote, yeah, there is a tie. And I did mention that to Tom when I talked to him. And yeah, I, yeah, go ahead. And you didn't seem to think that there was ever going to be an issue that there's really nothing that you really there's not a lot that you vote on other than like maybe the split bridge, right? Yeah, it's not it's not the kind of committee where we have a lot of close. I wouldn't expect it. No, I mean, there's always that possibility. And. But I think it's very remote. Well, if the possibility comes up, you can always come back, ask us to increase it to 11, put someone else on. Yeah, I've had at least two, maybe three people within the last six months, I think, express an interest in being on the committee. So well, that's one possibility that we could increase the size. I guess I'm a little reluctant just because I don't want to get too unwieldy, but we have had great participation. The last meeting we had, everybody showed up. I mean, partly that's because I think COVID everybody's, you know, everybody, everybody shows up to every meeting nowadays. But but no, we do have a great committee. They're all very active and they contribute a lot and they they it's a good bunch. So yeah, great. You can always steer people to other opportunities in town, right? Yes, we need we need planning. We need planning commission and conservation. I think actually with a couple of those candidates, I actually did that. I don't know if they followed up on it. Good. Yeah, great. You can use all the help we can get. Exactly. All right. So I would make a motion to increase the size of the trails committee from nine to 10 second. So are you ready to vote? All right, Cliff. Hi. I'm an eye, Rick. Hi, Sharon. Hi. OK, now you have two candidates here. Thank you, Tim and Tom. Tim and Tom and Tom. All right. Thank you. Thank you for stepping up. Yeah, thank you. Sounds like a great group, right? Yeah, I couldn't be any more fun. Are these going to be? How how do the trails committees positions run? They are trails committee is I can tell you a minute. Trails committee is I was looking for they are three year terms. And you'll see on that sheet that I said today. Because again, we didn't do reappointments last year. So we have three members whose terms technically ended in 2020. That's Tony Cating, Nice Wilder, and Michael Fullerton. So. Reappointing them would give them a term of 2023. Then we have Gales Graham's position that doesn't end until 24. So one of the new members would go in for Grant Gales position. And then the creation of a new position effective in 21. Would be three years to be 24. And then we have Charlotte Panna and Steve Killaren, whose terms expire in 21. So there are three years who bring them to 24. We need to do any since we missed the year, do we need to do any special terms to kind of keep them staggered? Well, they are staggered. Well, they still remain staggered. Right, because the three Tony, Denise, and Michael would still be staggered because their term went in 23. The other one we're looking at would be 24. OK. Does that make sense, Rick? Yeah, it does. OK. Cliff, which document is that in the folder? It's not in the folder. It's in an email that Denise sent out today. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So, Tom, would you like us to introduce us to Tim and the other Tom? Yes. So, Tim Maker, there's Tim. Hi, Tim. Hello, Tim. Thanks for the evening, everybody. And Tim, well, you can you can speak for yourself. So why don't you go ahead and give an introduction? Sure. I live on the West County Road north of Maple Corner. We've lived here since 1983 when we built our house. I've been a lifelong hiker. My wife and I use the Calis trails quite a bit, mostly up on Robinson Hill, but we also are long distance hikers. And so it's really in my blood. And I would like to do whatever I can to to make the trails situation in Calis better than it even is now. Great. And Tom Cronin, you're here, too, right? Yeah, good evening, everyone, then. Yeah, thank you for an opportunity to talk. My fiance and I moved to Calis in June. This is our first home. And one of the things that drew us to Calis was the trails committee. And we've been enjoying them thoroughly since we've moved here, especially now in the spring and seeing all the amphibian movements and the vernal pools starting to thaw out as a great treat. So I really wanted to be able to get back to the community by contributing to that aspect of Calis. And Tom, didn't you didn't you join a couple of select board meetings in the past? Correct. Yeah. In order to listen in to, yeah, some points from the conservation committee with Stephanie. Yeah, great. You know, thank you both for stepping up. I'm doing that. Tom, Tim, your meals. Are you meals dad? Yes, I am. I am. He's great as well. Yeah, we grow them good here in Calis. Yeah, that we do. Yeah. Where are any other questions for numbers? So who is going to step into Gail's position? That would that's a good question. Tom, do you have a recommendation? I'm not real. I mean, they both end in twenty to twenty four. Is that what we determined? Yeah, these. Yeah, so I guess it really doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter. OK. But we have to put it down on our. We keep a master spreadsheet, so I'll have to have Katie put this in. So how about if we appoint Tom grown in to finish out Gail's term and ask Tim to. Be in the new position. Sounds good. Does that work for you, Tom? Lastly, yes, it does. Yeah, fine. OK, so I so I would make that motion. To appoint Tim maker to the new position. Twenty twenty four and to ask Tom to complete Gail's term. Twenty twenty four. Is there a second? A second. OK, you're ready to vote or is there any more questions? Is that I'm sorry. Does that mean that one of them's in a. Did you say they're all three years or I lost track of their the trails committee appointments are all three year. OK, so we're both of these. Both of these terms would end in twenty twenty four, but we just needed to identify who was taking on the position that was being vacated by Gail and who was taking on the new position that we voted to create. Right, they're both being effectively appointed a year into a three year term. Wait, no, no. Oh, Gail is resigning because her term is up. She's not Gail. Gail resigned. Well, her term was up, but she resigned right as well. She's not a cycle. OK, yeah, that was my confusion. Thank you. So I made a motion. Did somebody second it? I think they did. Everybody. Oh, OK, ready to vote. Cliff. Hi. I'm an I, Rick. Hi, Sharon. Hi. And then we need to do the other appointments. That I noted here, which are which are. Tony Cating, Denise Wilder and Michael Fortin to another three year term. They would end in twenty three because we didn't reappoint last year when their terms really technically ended, but term positions carry forward until somebody's either reappointed or not. So that's my motion. I'll second. OK, any other comments or clarification needed? All right, Cliff. Hi. I'm an I, Rick. I, Sharon. Hi. And then we have the two that are up this year, which is Steve Killerton and Charlotte Bassage. And then again, those are three year terms for the twenty four. So I would make a motion to reappoint those two positions. So we have so we so we're going to have four people because it's a 10 member board. We're going to have four. This is the cycle where we have four people, not just three, right? So right in twenty twenty four, there'll be four up. And then in twenty twenty seven, I guess. Right. And so the four getting reappoint the getting appointed are Steve, Charlotte, Tim and Tom. Yes. Well, now Tim and Tom are new appointments. Charlotte and Steve are reappointments. Right. But those are the four. Those are the four for right now. Right. But we already voted and we already vote on Tom and Tim. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just wrapping my hand on it. OK, so what we have now is Steve and Charlotte. So I would make a motion to reappoint both people for a second. OK, Cliff. Hi. I'm an eye, Rick. Hi. And Sharon. Hi. Thank you, everyone. Sorry for the confusion, Tom, but no problem. He said we got sidetracked last year and had to jump into covid. It's been a weird year. Yeah, sure. Say the least. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. And thank you to Tom and Tim again. Yes. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. All right. Meeting. OK. Are we all done from our end? Yes, you are. You're welcome. As always, everybody and happy trails. Yeah, thank you. We should have that on a T-shirt. Take care. Take care. So continuing along the lines of appointments, I'm hoping that we can there's another whole batch of people that we need to appoint to one year terms. So I'll send that. I'll kind of do like I did with this one and send that around. Denise, would you, at least as FYI, send the whole big, fat thing to well, you have that. Where OK, where do I have it like? Is it in the shared? It's in the it's in the shared drive and it's a separate folder that's labeled. I think it's we get what is labeled. It says appointments or something like that on it. Oh, it's it sits on its own. I found it. Yeah. Yeah. OK, got it. OK, yep. All right. Next up and I don't see anybody here to talk about this grant opportunity. So I'm not sure what to do about it. John's not here and Bill and let's build to move in at eight thirty, because we're I can't believe we're ahead of schedule. Usually it's the behind schedules. Now we're ahead of schedule. Bill, how am I come in? Is that what we're thinking? Yeah, I didn't get any response back. Remember, that doesn't mean anything. Most of the time, people don't respond anyways to emails. So there's a there's a grant money. I think I sent I sent around an email that I got from what's his name, Brennan Toman at Central Mont Saldwaith's Management District, saying that there were grant opportunities available. And John suggested a fence and a gate around the dump in East Calus. Which, you know, sometimes there can be problems with people to stump in trash. And Bill said he'd be happy to check into that, as if that was something that we wanted to pursue. And I'm sure if John was here, he'd give you a lot more long history, but we have talked about it in the past. About putting a fence and a gate in who. So who like, OK, so, you know, we're all going to think that this is a no brainer and it is. But then like, where does it go? We approve it and then who who makes it happen? Who we would ask. We would ask Bill to check out getting a grant for that project. And like, do the work for us? Yes. OK, that's that. That's one of the roles of the of the folks who are we appointed to do to be our liaisons. Yep. OK. Are there any are there any issues with, you know, with like cell removal or with Toby or Alfa on that? Yeah, that's again, it's hard to hear you, Rick, but that's a good point. We would want to make sure that the road crew has a key and that the gate is, you know, one of those kind that kind of opens up, you know, double wide or whatever you call it. To get in there to plow snow. And then we'd have to make sure that the person. What is it? I think it's Perry's that do the weekly pick up of trash and recycles. So they'd have to we'd have to make sure they get a key, but we're sure, you know, want to cover all the bases. Yeah. You know, the only thing I can think of is so you put a gate in the fence up. It's not going to stop people from dunking stuff outside the fence. But it might help to deter. That's the only only negative that I can think of. Can always take the gate down if it doesn't work. True. True. And put it and put a deer camera up. Find the people that are done. There you go. When I am and then put the movies on front porch forum. That's right. Do you recognize this person like the deer that people do? Yeah. Well, somebody recently got a video of a bobcat in Maple Quarter. Oh, and one in there's one. Over a Butterfield, either a Jeb and Carol under Paul and Cornelius, there was a beautiful bobcat. Where's this mother? I think there's a mother in Cubs down here. I don't have time to miss it. Wow. That's pretty cool. Anyway, keep your cats. Keep your cats inside. Yeah. Easier said than done. Yeah, you know. So what do you think about this opportunity for a fence and a gate? Yeah, I would say if Bill's wanting to do the initial legwork looking into it, I would definitely suggest we do that. Does it make sense to ask John to be his liaison on the board? Yes. And I would be for that. I would, too, just assuming that we, you know, we are we don't want to create a problem for maintenance of that. It's the only caveat I would add. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we could make that clear that we want to make sure that the road commissioner and operations manager, you know, are aware of the project and Alfred might have a, you know, can tell us what size truck would go in there to plow. I don't know if it would be the little truck, you know, so we'd have to watch out to make sure the opening is big enough. Well, you have to get a tractor trailer there, too, correct? To pull out. For what? So really, all that with a tractor trailer, do they pull it with a. I can't, I can't, Rick, I can't understand you. Is it a roll on, you know, like a flatbed roll on we just have to make sure that they get up. They they didn't. When I've been by there, it's I think it's they just pull a a trailer with their truck. OK. Because it's a private private hauler, so it's not like Kasella coming in. All right. And we want to. Have a motion to ask Bill to or authorize Bill to check this out. Is that there's any paperwork? You know, he's going to they're going to have to come back to us anyways with paperwork to sign off on. So this would be more. Let's see what they come up with for a plan and. Is that a motion, Denise? Yeah, sort of. Well, sort of seconded then. OK, I don't really know what I don't really know what to say. I guess that this would be a motion to authorize Bill to take the lead on applying for a grant for a project that that is dumped on Moscow Woods Road for a fence and a gate and also to coordinate efforts in sizing with the Road Commissioner and Operations Manager and to authorize John to be Bill's liaison on the project. Does that make that comprehensive enough? I don't know what John being Bill's liaison means. So if Bill wants to. Run this by one of the board members before he's. John, got it. Right. And then, you know. So I so I think I here's my issue, Denise, and it might might need to be built into the motion. According to the agenda, the applications are due on April 23rd. Right. Which means that if we are really going to approve an application, we would have to approve it next week at our special meeting. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know timing wise that they can do it, but. Is that what you're getting at the timing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that that we. Yeah. I mean, I think that that date that we for the select board, yeah, I guess we want to approve the concept for them to bring back something if possible. Maybe that's that's the that's the magic phrase. Yeah. If possible, bring it back for our approval next Monday night. Yeah, let's say so let's add that friendly motion, that friendly amendment to the motion for Katie. Don't figure it out. So figure it out. I'll second the friendly amendment if we need that. OK, thank you. All right, are we ready to vote? Cliff. So. It was. OK, I'm an eye. And Rick, you're an eye. And Sharon. Hi. OK. Other updates. Cliff, I think several of these next items are updates from you. If you don't mind. OK. Nothing to report of significance on the I.T. front, but we should try to get Ruben at our next regular meeting because we will be looking to renew the contract with RB Tech. So you mean at the night on the 26th you're talking about? Yes. Is it the 26th? Yeah. Whenever our next regular meeting is scheduled, we should try and get Ruben on the docket to see if he's available. I'm certainly happy to contact Ruben, see if he's available. I just want to make sure that we can fit it into the agenda. Yeah, because. The contract renewal is made first, and that's our last meeting before the contract is due to be renewed. So yeah, we should. Yep. OK, I'll coordinate that with Ruben. Town Hall, we are starting to get a lot of requests of people wondering when the town hall will be available for usage again. Ultimately, we have been deferring to input we received from VLCT as well as the governor's recommendations, as well as our input from our town health officer. And right now it looks like the consensus is, is we're not quite there where we can open it back up. If we can just hold on a little bit longer, that they should come soon. However, the town office is continuing to get these inquiries, and they're not sure how to field them. The other part of this is, is because we do not currently have a management agreement with the friends of Town Hall. They're not comfortable being the ones to field these questions. So just be aware that it's happening. Denise has responded to some of the people who have come to the town office and asked about the availability of the building or when it would be available again. I'm sure we will start seeing more and more requests come through. With regards, can we, Cliff, do you, I actually had, I'm glad I was glad to see this on the on the agenda and that there was a little bit of an email traffic. I had somebody reach out and ask me that exact question. Do we have a response that we are giving to people that you could maybe send to me? Or Denise, can you? Denise has been the one who's been seeing responses. I don't think you really have standard language, but you could maybe share those emails with Sharon. So she sees what you've been saying. Yeah, I've been trying to. Copy select board members on all these emails and you'll see. I asked I asked because it's free. I asked here at the LCT and they're still recommending to wait until closer to July 4th, which I tend to agree with. OK, so, yeah, I saw your I saw your question to him. And if there was if he got back to us, I didn't see that one. But so is that the general response is that we that we have not opened it up? We are certainly aware of the desire and the need. And now the guidance we're getting is not before July 4th. Those three points kind of is what we say. OK. Yeah. And when we do open it back up, I don't know if you mentioned the management agreement or not with this kind of I haven't gotten into that yet, but I was kind of into that next. Yeah, because it kind of all goes together. Yeah, yeah, OK. So before I segue into talking about the role of the Friends of Town Hall, is there any other questions regarding these inquiries that we're receiving? It sounds like we're all kind of on the same page is how to respond now. Should anyone approach any of us? Yeah, I mean, I had somebody approach that wants to have a wedding. You know, and somebody else wants to film a dance video there. Yeah, some willows, somebody, somebody in Willow, they want to do a video with some kind of dance thing, kind of like the thing that has always been to do with the, you know. Yeah, I think those are the people that I heard from, too, I think. Yeah. So it's good to be on the same page. The other part of that is, do we want to tell Judy and Barbara if they get those requests to just send them along to Denise? Or how do we want to feel that? I'm I don't mind the answering request, but we could just give them the same information so everybody has the same information. Yeah, I think they would be fine responding as long as they know. News of engagement, as it were. Yeah, yeah, maybe just quick little a statement from the select board. Yeah, well, Katie can put it in the minutes. Yeah, and then everybody has the same information. OK, that sounds good. OK, moving to the topic of the management agreement and friends of the town hall, we are getting very close to the point where we're ready to reengage with the select board and discuss the management agreement and see if we can iron it out to everyone's satisfaction. What the friends group has asked me to suggest to the board is. Actually ask of the board, would the board be willing to consider setting aside a special meeting sometime in May for this discussion? Because we could imagine that it it's more than a 15 minute discussion and it might make sense to have a dedicated special meeting just devoted to that subject. Well, even if we do it as a special meeting and it's we allow like at least a whole hour. Because really what we would be doing in this meeting is looking at the revised the document the last time you saw it, we were referring to it as guidelines for use of town hall and the request from the select board was for me to convert that into a policy with a signature line and whatnot. I almost got that done. I've kind of beefed it up a little bit so that some of the language is a little more specific than what you saw in the previous iteration. Then we would have a discussion around the management agreement itself and finally an opportunity for the board to see the rental agreement that the friends group would be using with people who were interested in renting the hall for these cultural events that we've discussed. So putting all that together, then we imagine this discussion easily as an hour, if not a little longer. Yeah. Yeah, we can, you know. You have a special meeting to do that. And I think that's a really good idea. Take the time to take the time for the board as a whole to review the document. And the entire friends group has agreed that they will all make themselves available at that meeting. So anyone who is maybe representing a particular aspect of any of these documents, we have all the experts in the room at the same time. Great. Yeah, that would be great. I will go back to the friends and we will come back to the board with a couple of proposed dates and figure out what works. OK, sounds good. Thank you for spearheading that effort. So you're welcome. Thank you. And unless there's any questions or anything, I think that's it for those items. I'm going back to reopening the hall. I wonder if it would create more. More emails than we want or whatever about maybe posting something on front porch forum about, you know, the select board is beginning to talk about when we might start reopening the town hall and town office, things like that. And that we're looking to follow, to continue to follow the CDC guidelines and best practices. And we may be looking at, you know, as the governor's talked about reopening things around July 4th, do you think that would create more traffic and more questions in itself? Or is it just I think it's. It may be a good thing to do just as a public relations kind of thing. I actually like what you just said, Denise, as being, so this is for Katie, for that little statement that we will give to the town office, that we're still, we are still following the governor's guidelines and the CDC's expertise. You know, as part of our framing of the answers to the questions. Yeah, the reopening, the real, I think they're calling it the reopening process or something. They're calling it the governor. Yeah, yeah, but if we're going to hand a statement from the board to the town staff to basically read to anybody, I mean, we want to make that thorough, but also have them be able to say, this is what the select board said. Yeah, this is what the select board said. So the question of whether we put it on front porch forum. Maybe it's too soon. That's what I think. I think it's great. We're talking about it. We're an open meeting. Anybody who's reading the minutes will see that we're talking about it. But we got if we put it out there now, we've got two months, three months of conversation. Well, two, two months. May, June, July, three. May. Now, if we're talking to governors, talking about reopening things around July 4th or. Right, but today's April. Well, right. So two and a two and a half months, two, two months and 22 days. Yeah. All right, well, let's keep this on our radar. And I'm sure that there's going to be guidance and, you know, tutor chatter from the governor's office about things. So so good. Thank you for having the conversation. Thank you. All right, I don't. I would like to look at. All the, I don't think there's anything to go in executive sessions about tonight. I do want to talk about having the special meeting on April 19th to talk about the procedures documents. We've got Rick and I attended the East Montclair Fire Department East Montclair Select Board joint meeting last Thursday. Katie's done minutes. So we need to get on the stick about what we're going to be. We should review the documents. And I told the group that night, because they were a little perturbed, I think that we hadn't, that we were doing this. And I said, you know, it's been quite a few years. It's been at least five years since any of us have really sat down and looked at the documents. I think it's a good opportunity for us to sit down and review the documents for everybody to do that. I didn't get into, they wanted to know what our concern was. And I said, I'm not getting into that tonight. I just think it's a good opportunity for everybody to look at the contract, including the Fire Department and East Montclair Select Board. Why would you not want to periodically review the contract and not just automatically renew all every time? Yeah, if there are specific issues we're looking at, we should be getting our documents below. Well, Rick, we can't understand you. Rick said we should get our ducks in a row if they're specific. Oh, okay, is that what he said? Quack, quack, Rick, I understand you. So we were, I'm pretty sure we were in a public meeting with them when we raised exactly what our issue was. Yes, we were. With 15 people in the room. So I kind of don't get the confusion. Well, it is, I'm not gonna, it just is what it is. So, and I think we really have one main issue that we brought up, as you said, at that specific meeting. And we said then that we would probably be giving notice of our non-renewal. We did. Because we want to talk about that, but we had to put it in writing, which we did. And we made the deadline. So, I think really that's probably the main issue, but we should really do our due diligence on behalf of the taxpayers and review the whole contract just to see. Yep. No, I agree. So I would like to devote some time on the 19th to that. And then I've got this other sad situation that I'd like to see if the board, I know this would be a special meeting for mainly those two items, but there's this woman who has a house on, I don't know if it's on Valentine Road or Baton Road, but it's over on that side of town. She's recently divorced and she was given custody of the house. She's trying to sell it. And when they moved in, they did not go on to commercial power. They had, I don't know what other kind of power they have, but some other kind of power. And she is asking for us, she wanted us to approve work in the right of way. And then in given the recent experience we had with GMP, and it was GMP that was actually doing the work and not those, the residents, do you remember that? You guys, I don't think Rick wasn't on then, but we determined when that application came to us that it was really the power company that was doing the work in the town's right of way. And they were technically the applicants, not the landowners were not the applicants. So this same thing applies with this request that it has to come from Hardwick Electric. And I explained that to her, I explained it to the guy at Hardwick Electric that he said, well, we never have to do this. And I said, well, that's, we have an application for the right of way. You're the power company, you're doing the work. So you are the have to be the applicant. So things got to- And then they own the lines in the end. Right, right. But you know, Hardwick Electric, they do very little work in Calis because most of Calis doesn't have Hardwick Electric, only on, it's a strange route because it goes from that area over on Valentine or Baton Road, I forget which road it is, down to East Calis, because Jan Olson has Hardwick Electric and I have Hardwick Electric. So you can see how weird the lines are. So apparently, so anyways, Hardwick Electric probably hasn't put a power pole in in decades. So now she needs to get the commercial power hook back up to her house so she can put it on the market. So I told her, I'm sorry, I can't, she sent me an email today sort of saying, I need this on the agenda tonight. I'm sorry, I can't do that. And, you know, Hardwick Electric dragged their feet because I talked to them like two weeks ago and said, you know, here's a link to the application, fill it out with your check and send it to the town office and we'll get it on an agenda. So they never got me the application until Friday. I'm sorry, but it's too late. Oh, so we're putting this on for next meeting. Well, I'm asking you all if you would be okay with me putting her on putting this application on the agenda for the 19th. Alfred has already looked at the project and doesn't have an issue. But, you know, if we're gonna make everybody else follow the right process, then they need to as well. Well, so what I'm wondering is there is, and if you said it, Denise and I was, I missed this detail, I apologize. Is there a sense of urgency? Is there- Yes, there is a sense of urgency because she needs to put the house on the market and sell it. Okay, that's what it is. Is that one week before, so it's not that the, it's getting it on the market one week earlier than if we make her wait till the 26th. Right, and then of course, Hardwick Electric has to have time to do the work. Okay, so it's both and. Yeah. Rick, you were gonna say something, but I can't hear you. I'd say, yeah, it would be time-consuming because of the work that we've done at the point you can sell it. We're into this season. I mean, I would be good with that or to help them out. Yeah. Okay, and that'll take one thing off our plate for the 26th. Yeah, I mean, it won't- It just seems like the right thing to do to me. It does seem like the right thing to do. And, you know, we're gonna have to stay alert to precedent that we set and we might regret this, but I'm okay until it becomes a problem and we have to get more rigid. Well, we can, can we stay that way? I mean, I don't know if there's a formal way of saying it, but it's not right. Rick, I don't know what is different this night about your computer than it is on the other night. I'm thinking the bandwidth is up the night. Would it help if you turn off your video? Does it make it better? Hi. Rick was saying something about, should we just say that? But I mean, this woman isn't gonna be her who comes back the next time with an urgent thing. It's gonna be somebody else. Right, and I would make her wait. And I already told her she had to wait till the 22nd, 26th, but I was thinking if we're doing a special meeting, you know, she's been trying to get this to happen for like a month. And her hardwood electric kinda held her up. Yeah, I mean, I'm okay with it. And I just wanna, I just, you know, I hope Katie will, well, Katie here, catch us in our minutes, that if this becomes a problem, we're gonna have to be more rigid because, you know, we need people planning ahead and understanding that we don't routinely have a meeting we can just pop it into. And if we do, it's because we have other things that we're trying to get done that aren't regular business. And, you know, and I go back to, you know, she's somebody that hasn't dealt with town government lunch. She doesn't understand. And this is what happens with a lot of people. They just don't understand what the process is and the timing of getting agenda items on. And, you know, I said, and we need to do a notice 48 hours in advance and it was too late, I'm sorry. And she was, you know, she understood but she was, you know, fairly unhappy. But that's what you're gonna, that's what we deal with all the time is people just don't understand or know the process. We're not a city hall, we're not 20, we're not a five, you know, we're not a 40 hour a week. Right. Operation. So there's a couple other agenda items that are gonna take some time. I don't know, you know, Peter Harvey sent us that email and I'm trying to decide, do we schedule him to come and talk again? I mean, we've kind of heard his speech two or three years in a row. I would vote yes and I would time limit him. I mean, and this is part of our larger, you know, movement is to say, you know, this is how much time we are allotting for this item, Peter. And we, you know, my feeling is Peter is doing, I don't know, how do we say this every year? He's doing something nobody else is doing which is really making people aware. And so giving him 10 minutes on the agenda to remind us of the importance of the issue and I think at the real high points, I think it's completely worth it and he deserves that for the awareness that he raises around the invasions. And yeah, and we also have the other people that don't agree. So we have to make sure we allow comment period for them. So, okay. Yep, I agree with that. On both sides, 10 minutes each. Yep. I think Rick is trying to talk. Sorry, Rick. Can you hear me now? Is that any budget? Not a lot better, but a little. Should we ask him to put recommended timelines together for, you know, if it relates back to some of the knowing part, he wants us not to let things dig up a lot of, you know, dig out some of these invasions. You mean a timeline that the road crew could use for timing of when things could be cut? When it was the idea. He's mostly into chervil. I get that, but that's a pretty big evasion, so. Yeah, but he's, okay, go ahead. No, his thing is not, so we've been on Alfred about cutting it earlier before it flowers. Right. And Peter's experiment is to pull it, pull it and not cut it. Rick, can you use the chat? Yeah, I don't know. Other nights, your audio has been really excellent. Tonight, it's terrible. Just type chat and then we can read out your, but no, Denise, I like the idea that you were raising that we let people know that we got, you know, 10 minutes for each point of view. And that's it, 10 minutes. But he's gonna be, and he's gonna be looking for us to make a decision about whether he can put up his signs again. So we have to allow time for the board to digest. And I mean, we've all heard it before, Rick hasn't, we've all heard it before. So I'm assuming we could make a decision relatively quickly, but. We don't have to make it that night though, right? If we have him on the 26th, we're, we're, But he's, he was, he's looking to put those signs up now. Oh, he wants with the signs up now. Yeah. But we have a couple of other big things. We have the North Calis Memorial Hall Association looking, they've met with the Conservation Commission and the Conservation Commission has looked at their interim management plan and made some suggested changes and Rowan has done the suggested changes. I'm looking for the 26th because they want to start construction, you know, the beginning of this season here. And they want part of the deal with Memorial Hall, North Calis Memorial Hall Association is that we committed $50,000 from the Conservation Fund to be released to them for work. But we did it so that I think it's like over three years or two years to release the funds, but we need to also approve the interim management plan. So I can see this discussion taking a while and that would need to, hopefully we could do that on the 26th as well. And then we have also, and these are a couple of big things that the local hazard mitigation plan and the local emergency management plan. Grace Vinson from Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission would be coming to the board to review those updated documents. And I can see that also probably taking at least a half an hour for both, maybe a little 45 minutes. For the Memorial Hall? I'm thinking a half an hour from the Memorial Hall and then half an hour to 45 minutes for the local hazard mitigation plan and the local emergency management plan. And the reason is because we have to get those adopted by, although Nick said we were late last year with the local emergency management plan and nothing, we didn't get like negative points or anything, but. Is that the one that's called LH? Is it like local hazard? Those that are two separate documents. Okay. The local hazard mitigation plan is things that could happen in town if there was a flood or a hurricane or some bizarre tornado or something like that. These can be important for, you know. FEMA. Finding, yeah, FEMA funding. So we should try to meet these as we can. These prepared documents. I've seen them. I think these are both things that lend themselves to, and there may not be time this year, but even the fact that we're saying, okay, half an hour. Consideration and approval of North Cal Samora Hall Association interim management plan and release of CC funds. Is it, Denise, are the action, are the specific action items that, one, we approve the interim management plan and two, we release their request for funds. That's what, if they were coming. That's what it would be. And so if they were going to come in and ask for a motion and we were just going to say, yes, yes, that's a five minute thing. So. Right, but I think that the board. Yeah, I get, no, I get that it wouldn't be. I'm just like, it's that, it is, it's that crisp and clear. We don't have to discuss, we don't have to, and we should discuss it. I'm not saying that I'm just, it's really clear what they want. That's all. You know how sometimes people aren't really clear what they want? Well, I've made them clear that if we're gonna, you know, that if we're gonna talk about the interim management plan and I will get the latest version from Roe and send it to everybody, but it's our responsibility to have reviewed that document ahead of the meeting and be prepared if we have any questions and maybe even send the questions ahead of time. So they're prepared in an answer. And then we can decide if we're okay with that. And I keep there just the letter that we did that was dated March 10th, 2018. I have that out all the time because it specifically says what they needed to do, how we would release the funds. So that letter, I'll have Katie put it in the folder again, but that letter has been sent to everybody, probably at least six or seven times. And I just so everybody's clear and you know, what Roe and then conservation commission and whatnot. And so the conversation you're having with them is also around being prepared. Does it become that they are basically going to be or could be presenting around that letter? Okay, select board. Here's our plan. Here's how we respond to that letter. Does that kind of frame? Yeah, because they've already been to the conservation commission. I sent them there first because the conservation commission needed to review the interim management plan as well. So rather than taking up our time to do it with the conservation commission and have to do it twice, the sentence of the conservation commission first, they've reviewed it, made some suggested changes which Stephanie or somebody on the CC can explain. And then we can have reviewed that version. See if we have any questions, look at the letter and see if we're ready to release the funds. That makes sense? Yeah, it does. And if we tell them that there's, we have half an hour on the agenda and we know that too. If we're all invited to advance questions, I mean, we don't need an invitation, but maybe remind it. Yeah. Send questions in advance, focus on that letter and the parameters we put on the funds to begin with. Read through the management plan that we're gonna have in advance. Yeah. And these are the two things that they're asking for, boom and boom, half an hour done. Yeah. So anyway, is that kind of some bigger agenda items that I want us to, once we get those out of the way, that'll clear up getting those items done because they've been waiting for us to take this up, but I wanted to wait until they went to the conservation commission. So. Yeah, I think that's good. Denise, on the 26th, because there's so much that's big, I think it's a good time to, well, you did this tonight, like 8.30, consideration of central Vermont MSP, like literally tie those half hour items to one line with half an hour. So that's what they're seeing too. You know what I mean? You mean like a good tonight? Yeah, well, like you did, yeah, like you did for the, like you did for the central Vermont Salvation Management District thing where it's only one item at 8.30 and it's half an hour while they'll be half, and that's it. It's not like half an hour with three things. Yeah. Because then everybody thinks they get to be 27 minutes. Right. I like, yeah, I really like that we're doing this. I like that we're thinking about how long, so that one was half an hour and then did we end up saying that the turbo is gonna be half an hour? You know, if we don't plan appropriately and then don't forget we have Ruben. And Ruben, so that's really the three items for that night, right? Well, there's, that's four items. Ruben, North Calis Memorial Hall and then the LHMP and LEOP. I don't think the LEOP will take long because that's just basically Nick's been plugging in names into like this document that he has, which I'll get from him and we can put it in the folder so everybody can review it ahead of time. Yeah, it's a very basic stock. Yeah. It's a real minimal, there can be a lot more and it just needs to be required. Yeah. And we've had a group working on the local hazard mitigation plan that we put a lot of time and effort into and that'll be ready for folks to review ahead of time. So it's almost nine o'clock. Maybe we could get a jumpstart on the minutes on the 19th because we wanted John to look at those minutes of March 22nd or something like that. Those ones that we wanted him to look at. Yeah. I think I'm all caught up. So, Rick, have you been through all the minutes? What we try to do. I haven't gotten through all of them yet. I'll see you that way. Yeah, we try to go through and like. Put in comments. Put in comments or use a suggesting to make the actual, to make edits, you know that difference between editing and suggesting. And then, yeah, if we've all done that then we can make pretty quick work of them. Wait a minute, I haven't done this yet. So do we, so Katie, can you post a minute on in our folder or just shoot? Yeah, Rick, I can, I can have a phone call with you because it's so hard to understand you tonight and show you and direct you to where they are and how to do it because it's taken me a while to figure out the difference between editing and suggesting and comments. So I can help you with that. Well, do we just do it in track changes? I mean, I, no, it's not track changes. It's a Google document. So let me, let's have it, let me, let's have a call Rick instead of taking up time tonight and I'll walk you through it. My pro, my pro tip is when you're making a comment, don't forget to click comment when you're done. Yeah. You can put a lot of time into a comment and it's the one thing Google doesn't save if you just leave. Yeah. Okay, that's good enough. Okay, so we'll have a conversation because if I can teach you how to do it, that means I know how to do it. That is right, Denise. Well done. All right, and so we're gonna meet on the 19th and did we have anything under other business, old business, new business? Yeah, I have some new business but before I get there, I need to let you know that I'm not positive I'll be able to meet on the 19th. Hopefully I will be able to, but if I can't, I'll let you know in advance. Okay. And as far as new business, I'll just cut straight to the chase and let the board know that it's my intent to resign my position from the board. Effective. Basically effective immediately. This will allow the board an opportunity to get someone on the ballot. It allows you to coincide, finding a replacement. Should you choose to do it that way in conjunction with this special election that's coming up. And I will also hold out the option for the board if they're interested that I would be willing to do as Judy has done and help with the transition by if you wanted to point me on a temporary basis to fill the position up until the time the elections held. Okay. So you're effective tonight. You're stepping away from the board, but you're willing to. Consider being temporarily appointed as we've done with Judy, an interim. Yes. That's interesting. We didn't process the question around select board. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm really heartbroken and sad that you're going to be leaving. You've been such a huge asset, hardworking, reliable, honest, trustworthy. I mean, I just can't say enough good things about you as a board member, Cliff. I'm really, I am personally going to miss you very much and I think everybody else will as well. Yeah. Thanks for that, Denise. It was not an easy decision, but I just feel going forward, I'm not sure I'm going to be in a position to give all the commitment that it requires to give the voters what they voted for. Okay. All right. Sounds really hard, Cliff. Yeah, I think it was probably very heart-wrenching for you to come to this decision. Indeed. All right. Well, on that note. Yeah, I just want to echo everything Denise said though. I'm still kind of taking it in, so. Yeah, it's a bit of a shock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, we'll miss you. Yeah, we're not done saying enough good things about you, so. Come back next week. Yeah, we'll come back, let's just say some more. All right. Like I say, I'm not sure if I'm going to be available on the 19th, but if I'm up for it, I will definitely be there. Okay, great. Well, on that, on the happy note, would somebody like to make a motion to adjourn? So move. So move. And we're, are we at seven o'clock next week? Yeah, I think seven o'clock is better if we're going to do a special meeting give everybody a little break. Okay. All right. Thank you everyone. Meeting. Good teamwork. Thank you very much. What if I will pick up those, I'll pick those up maybe at midday at lunch. Is that all right? Okay. That sounds good. Yep, they'll be on the passenger side. Black Toyota Tundra. Thank you. All right. Good night, everyone. Good night, guys. Good night. Sure.