 I realize uh yeah we've got our Halloween outfits on let's just it's close enough right it's close enough I'm not in a Halloween outfit I am sitting in a pumpkin that is just a I'm just a vampire like that's just just a fall-ish sort of gourd slash squash is it because you've fallen into a pumpkin uh I climbed in here of my own yeah you look pretty chill and happy I'm happy to be here I'm happy to be here this it's a nice place and plus if I'm ever if someone ever if for instance Mahler comes up to me in my pumpkin it says rags I need you to watch two episodes of She-Hulk for the stream tomorrow then I can just duck down in my little my little pumpkin hat becomes lid and then I can just retreat from the natural world with just my little feet and my tail sticking out and that's it I can just stay in my safety pumpkin and I don't have to watch She-Hulk anymore and yet you didn't do that this time you actually watched the episodes I actually I watched them today I put them off to the last moment I was I was like wrapping them up when you had messaged and said hey we need to do an hour late like I was I really don't want to watch this show it's really I was also uh leaving it because I only watched it yesterday like evening which I think a new episode comes out today so yeah I I am equally one to I think I watched them when they come out and then I'm like I do the notate notation part and I'm like I'll leave that until real close to the actual time we're covering them so that it's all fresh it's not at all because I'm trying to avoid looking at them that's not it why would you say that um but yeah we're live everyone can see us the the chat's doing great got lots of bread memes already I know exactly what that is now I'm not confused anymore you still do it that by the way all right oh oh yeah every just about every show there there've been one or two that I've missed because you know you get a guest who's like well maybe we shouldn't do this one oh no this is like it's just too far out of their wheelhouse that you'll scare them off sort of thing yeah I I ask them I'm like hey do you want to do you want to do this bit like it's highly offensive but it's really funny for me I don't know if it's funny at all but it's I I crack up and most people say yeah I'm always surprised why would you want to read this book just you know it's just how things go I guess different different ways to swing in different parts of the internet obviously we have had an an old man read out essentially porn before several times on the show so we can relate to strange things happening it's a virtue it was virtually porn yes yes um which by the way rags still waiting for when Jay Longbone comes for us about that third movie it's gonna happen can you believe they made a third movie maybe they made all of them at once like a lord of the rings and then oh yeah they just they could have made them all consecutively Peter wait what movie porn it's called 365 days I think oh yeah I wanted to watch those because like they're the the critic rating is like zero but the audience rating sound like 100% very incredible ladies with really really really bad taste the initial plot line is like a guy kidnaps a girl and says like I'm gonna have you be my like girlfriend against your will for a whole year and then I'll give you the chance to leave but you won't want to because you love me by then it's like wow she's essentially kidnapped and coerced by a very rich I suppose very conventionally attractive Italian mobster man yes yeah who doesn't want to have that happen yeah so that's that's a lot of people's fetishes it's a that's a lot of ladies have that as a fetish well yeah they made three of these movies three yes I guess absolutely by the way real just not at all my thing there's none of that I could identify it for what it was didn't do a goddamn thing for me and yet I'm I'm gonna watch them sex scenes were just like awkward and just so I don't know I they were they were so unimpressive though I've said this before but we were like I want to know what happens next I don't care about the porn park come on let's go with the plot like legitimately like what happens to the mob story oh man they sounds like they created a compelling story right there they they got you they hooked in and you're absolutely the porn part is that bad the porn parts are just scattered in there sometimes with very odd distribution so you'll have like a bunch and then there will be a huge stretch where there isn't anything and I'll just be done I don't know the the decision because you would think that if you're making a porn movie then or a movie with porn in it that you would distribute the porn in a way that keeps people interested and invested you don't go very long stretches without any pornographic content in it because people might lose interest and they might think why am I here you know I mean I know I'm here but now that they're not showing the porn why did I do there's porn on the internet why did I come here in the first place I need to rethink my life you have to rethink being friends of Jay Longbow right that's that's our that was our fault absolutely we reward her with films like final destination and she she gives that back he's like okay well you know friendship she did she's the one who recommended Karen though so oh yeah she gets 10 billion points for that you get a lot of you get a lot of all the good well yeah you had built up with Karen it's fucking gone which by the way good ol e-fap chat you got three days you'll see you're gonna be seeing Karen e-fap movies so opening a Halloween up is gonna be Karen this is the kind of it's like the kind of porn where it's like oh your cock is so big put it in me and you're like I'll clip it it's so clinical and just uh that's so so conventional and Karen I was like rags that wasn't a porn I was just no Karen wanted the the BBC yes I think there was an angle they were going with I'm it's gonna be fun watching that over because it has actually been a year since we saw it it has that's amazing we're different the movie wait the movie Karen yeah because yeah we're doing this crazy thing now we're like we record of our Halloween content a year before it comes out every year we're actually recording our new sets already they're already going well aren't they rags and fringy don't you think I think so they're going along pretty well yeah I'd say they're coming along well set of films to to go through and all of you can get to see the next year so what it may be but it is a horror franchise Bill Spooktacular it was very spooky um yeah hi everyone this is EFAP which one is it 206 Jesus hello everyone I didn't want to start our she-hulk discussion with talking about porno but here we are yeah it happens life takes you places um we uh we we have a very very special guest today and I say that earnestly because I believe you're one of the oldest and most consistently requested guest ever we just never got around to it because the the big time to have brought you on was when we covered Captain Marvel and it was um it was legal Eagles video where he defended her when right hey right you remember that that was that was like three years ago listen it's okay to assault this man and break his body he did touch your map and you are indestructible so you know if you weigh these things together justice is in your favor you go and she also steal his jacket and his motorcycle yes or something and she coerced him into yasty she underpain of you will lose I will destroy your body if you do not give me these things and uh and he was like well to be fair he assaulted her and that is something you could argue because he touched a map and it's like wow what a great guy you are now we think like a lawyer indestructible woman she was responding with proportional force of extreme violence um because like doesn't even qualify as an assault when she's invulnerable at that point uh possibly I don't know but any like harassment or something like when you annoy someone yeah so it it is technically any unwanted touch is technically a battery but like there's there's sort of a lunacy aspect to it where courts are like come on now like you you touch someone on the shoulder in an inoffensive way and they they react in an unreasonable sort of response to it like that's not you're not going to get charged with battery at that point it doesn't justify physical violence if someone brushes you in the mall like while they're walking past and you walk up and kick him in the groin this sentence is death yeah only if it's a woman if you yeah you better watch out those lady's shoulder especially with those suit jacket things they wear that are horrifically unattractive with the big pointy shoulders oh yeah they can kill people yeah that's how people's eyes out that's why they wear them they wear them so they stick out further to to get you to battery them have you guys seen those clips because I know that none of us would watch sports no but like have you ever seen those clips where the footballers like someone will walk past one of them or do literally not even touch them and they will notice it as like a form of ooh and then just fall over and start yelling really loud I'm I'm broken oh yeah and the best part is that little split second where they're like am I gonna yeah okay I'm doing it look back I'm like oh this is a chance I'm a mill I cannot believe you would talk about the 2006 World Cup champion Italy that way I mean very very rude of you I've seen so many of them they're so funny I mean it always used to be weird because like I watched more rugby than I did football back in the day and rugby players just a lot less common that is because rugby players would actually be damaged significantly like regularly and then they should be like okay what do you like blood is gushing from this skull and they're just like all right I want to go neck come on come on next ball there's this one where it's like two guys I don't know I don't know who it was like I think it was like a manager or like a coach and a player they're like came real close and then they both sort of tapped their foreheads and then they both they both decided you know what I'm gonna look this for everything yeah oh my god this is a porno oh no no they just can't describe this in front of all these people they got in close together and milked each other for all they could that's more your problem than mine rags okay through um this is madness I'm pretty sure I know what clip you're talking about where they yeah it's like they're getting closer and closer and closer because it looks like there's about an inch or half an inch between them and then they both are dead now exactly they killed me what is that what is that when they I I can't believe I've forgotten the name of what it is when football players specifically pretend that they've been injured what's that called um we're like feigning an injury or I can believe it has a specific name because of how often they do it it's a flop yeah that's what I've always heard it flopping or or a dive yeah take the dive the flopping happens when you're done milking each other that's that's what happens there the yeah these five looks to me this is an inappropriate relationship between a manager and a player the dive in a flopping and I guess it's just a strong young players now I don't doubt that people get injured playing football um I just it's just that the the um the reactions that you see for these fake ones the hilarious like compared to what tends to happen when somebody sustains a serious injury in another sport like in AFL or in yeah in in rugby I don't know man like it's just yeah when they're rolling around on the floor flailing kicking and screaming because like I don't know they hurt their leg strategically it's just a really good move if it results in getting rid of an enemy player right at least it's like oh fuck we're ensuring our victory now but it's also like yeah but you look like a complete cock it's like yeah and especially yeah without you know with all of the cameras that are recording everything like yeah you can't make it like when there's it probably should be if there's no contact you should probably just be banned forever like I don't think that should be tolerated well yeah because I everyone you try to do it's really fucked up what you try to do you know I think so to offer a mild apology as a as a former shitty soccer player since we're in America uh soccer is the name but um the one thing I'll say is when you're running and someone does like clip your leg and you're like full out sprinting and then you your leg hits the other one you fall and you reflexively grab like your ankle is broken because you think it might be and then you figure out like 10 seconds later it's like oh actually no I'm okay and you get up and run like that that kind of happens but that they they do like milk it quite a bit more these days especially yeah it's the strategic play get get a yellow card get a free kick and uh and and then you know maybe that's a scoring opportunity but but there is that like brief second when you get absolutely taken out and you're like oh shit I'm dead like my leg is broken and then you're like oh no nope it just hurt for two seconds I'm good now uh but it's yeah that's I could imagine that there are times where it's like oh did I actually oh no okay I'm all right I guess there's a difference between that and then like the the the one second hesitation am I gonna do it am I not gonna okay no I'm doing it and then as soon as they do it it's like well I have to commit now I've been too deep I've decided I've made this choice I have to follow through I'm there there's one clear there's one clip where a guy he walks by another guy doesn't even touch it like they're not even close and the the guy he walks by just grabs his face it goes ah punch and it's like come on man they're really funny ones for this like just hope they just hope the cameras didn't catch it I guess like yeah I think one of the ones I really I'm not thinking it's who I really like there was one where the guy pretended like he got tripped over and was rolling around but because nobody was paying attention he just immediately jumped back up and started playing again yeah like because it was like ah this isn't working I better like actually play this game you know what it reminds me of is if a child is like crying and the parents know that it's not for real this one attention they just they carry on the party everyone carries on the kid eventually just goes oh fuck okay I'll just give up on it I think the second one I saw was a guy who was um maybe like a good one or two feet away from somebody behind him and he just like fell over they were chasing the ball and he just like fell over as if he'd been struck like from behind maybe he was like you know some guy invisible guy maybe ghost yeah oh yeah what wasn't at the the sixth man or whatever that shitty basketball movie with the the kid's brother died and would help out on the basketball court airbun like I've seen no there the dog has to replace the dead brother well there was that there was another one though I think it's called the sixth man where yeah the one player dies but then he comes back as a ghost and like helps out in the court it's oh it's I feel like that's very unethical yeah it's like this is very unethical to have specialist yeah the chat the chat knows Marlon Wayans the sixth man yeah that's the that's the one I know that actor when was he in stuff like it's been ages he was in he was in white chicks and all the scare they didn't they just do a scary movie six did they good day I did not I I figured scary movie had just stopped out right but that's interest I think it had let me check I think I just saw a scary movie six uh it's got a trailer coming out well it's got a trailer out I don't know what it is that's the last one that's five from 2013 but maybe they're making a new one maybe maybe it's maybe it's just a lie uh they scary movie no it's a lie scary movie six 2022 uh on Chloe Moritz Ben Wolfhard Kiki Palmer Casey Simpson wow Anna Ferris Sean Wayans Marlon Wayans oh so they're really trying to like revitalize it kind of then with all those actors good for them I don't know I mean yeah that's pretty scary movie one and three I liked them ones they're the ones that good luck before we before we move on I just like to point out that Mahler when you when you mentioned rugby my mind instantly went to the little robots that scoot around on the floor and clean I was oh Roomba's and yeah exactly I thought when you said rugby that's what you meant because I just hear the word rugby and I think of Roomba's because I think rugby is a fan that's a fine thing to call them if you were if you were to call them rugby's yeah like the little is there they're like on the rugs and they're like little bees they just go around working you know all day they're little rugby's now that you've said that paint them yellow and come a little robots we've been talking about sport how could we not mention um I wait is there different names for uh because it's robot wars over here but for you guys it was something else right well we hit we have battle bots yeah and there's robot wars yeah and then there was that movie that movie real steel I don't know that's the quite the same thing oh yeah yeah you're jackman the robots that box each other dude I always thought I'm robots but do you guys did you guys ever watch the the actual like robot jocks back from the 80s robot jocks and robot wars I've seen clips of it I never watched a robot jock I think I've seen it was in clips but I have not seen the movie I used to love watching some some masterpiece we talk we talk about this like once every so often but um like my favorite was hypno disc fucking legendary robot it just spun a huge disc and just tore things apart and then it was like the most interesting way to win too because you just see robots getting gradually like they're losing health until they stop versus the flipper robots that just flip and then it's over and you're like oh okay the um do you remember the episode of the simpsons when homo pretended to be like a robot and then fought the actual robots do you remember that one is that sounds extremely dangerous it was like a battle why it was I think it was a parody of those like battle bot shows where uh like Bart wanted to create one so homo just made a robot but it was just him inside of it and he fought all of these robots but like the injuries he was sustaining were insane like fighting them with buzz saws and I think look yeah it was it was that was a funny episode I figured I would just front load my simpsons reference for this episode oh we gotta talk about yeah you're right you did mention this before we went live and I realized like oh yeah some people gonna ask about it we should probably do it so it has been announced very very recently that Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is returning and it's gonna be in Deadpool 3 which is going to be in the MCU yeah so why does it make money doesn't make some money to change so the less the less cynical oh go ahead I was just gonna say that the less cynical way to look at it is like man Deadpool and Wolverine teaming up that sounds pretty great but then the more cynical part is uh yeah money yep yeah a lot of money to be made from that I think everyone was such a good capstone for it in my opinion I I like Logan a lot and I I don't ever want to see Wolverine again so there's a lot of arguments right now about that and it's like I think even the creators are like we're not touching that timeline different universe so because the X-Men universe itself is already very confusing the thing is like but what even like I I don't mean to shit on Logan but where did it even sit timeline wise a little bit confusing when you try and pull the right because like I think one X-Men 1 2 and 3 were considered part of Logan's history right I don't know because I'm pretty sure that I'm outside of all time I think because I think it took every part I think is uh yeah I think what they wanted to do was selectively pick the parts they wanted to keep and then get rid of the parts that they didn't want after days of future past but like I don't know how that works now though with like apocalypse and dark phoenix which are like meant to be in the same timeline as Deadpool I think and Logan but like I just don't see that reconciling doesn't make a lot of sense to me I don't know what the timeline is anymore yeah um so a lot of people are like damn you you gave him a really great and and I think some people are kind of expecting like let's do it let's recast him and let's see what we can do get and everyone keeps talking about getting a short guy um because uh that's one of the complaints people had when they first cast Hugh Jackman but then everyone was like actually I really like even if he is tall who cares uh but you know gosh he can he can probably put bums in seats as as they may have said so and I mean if Hugh Jackman's on board it's like yeah why wouldn't they what is going to stop them and the idea that it's like well you know story integrity laugh well yeah exactly good old professor x he he uh Patrick Stewart said he wouldn't be coming back as professor x either after Logan and I guess truly he is professor x I mean compared to what they did with him it's like surely it would be well more screen time but you know I uh I don't what's what's everybody's opinions on the Deadpool movies here I like them yeah they're fun I don't know that I'm gonna like Disney's um I with that so that's the thing I like the first two Deadpool movies a lot I actually really like those films um but now yeah it's Deadpool 3 many years later on the Marvel Studios but I'm pretty sure that um like the product like the production side of those first two movies is tied up in it heavily like even though it is Marvel Studios it's not just Marvel Studios it will be like Ryan Reynolds production company like other producers and maybe that means something in terms of like preserving something that existed before uh I don't know Deadpool reminds me a lot of Guardians of the Galaxy and like these they were not great movies they were fine right but they're they were fun like they nailed the comic book sort of feel to to each of those franchises and I liked that a lot about them the thing they've if Deadpool is going to be Disney down though to PG-13 and be completely it'll it will it will suck like well yeah I was just like they'll sap the R rating and the fun out of it which are two individual elements that they managed to marry pretty well in those films and Logan was also rated R and extremely violent and gritty and it's like okay you can you can translate these two R rated franchises you know they'll sell tickets you know they'll sell DVDs so just keep it rated R please Disney for the love of all make something useful in your life that'll be great for the world. Deadpool kind of existed the first one existed at a kind of interesting time it it's sort of uh I think that was a film that everybody sort of could recognize as like you kind of exists out of like the the uh I guess the established formula and mold of these um of these other films that are happening uh like maybe that's even a benefit of not being part like that if you were in the MCU it never would have happened like this like the fact that you were with a different studio at a different time and got to be like totally separate from everything was a benefit but what does it look like when you have that and you now want to integrate it into the sludge pipe what are you going to lose because you're probably going to lose something I don't know what you're going to gain from this you know except for maybe access to more IPs but like what good is that if it gets sanitized and watered down and stripped of uh its identity which is a real possibility. A lot of people are saying Ryan Reynolds would never let it go below in our rating it's like well just what are the scenario with Disney like either make it below R or you're not getting a Deadpool 3 simple as that. Yeah what happens there and it's like surely you you'd understand as well as everybody else well as Ryan Reynolds like maybe it's better that we get it than not getting it uh within our ratings like yeah good luck with that because um they've gone back on R rating things before right they've said that they will and then they didn't or at least um wasn't it wasn't there weird about Doctor Strange 2 being a horror movie with much more of it violence at one point. I think the more I think a recent one is you know that like werewolf by night special thing that they're doing. I've heard of that yeah. One of Michael G. G. R. Rating apparently they thought that was going to be R but it's not um though I think the argument they cited is oh black and white helps or something it's like okay like I'm curious and I think there was also um all love and thunder Christian Bale was meant to have a there was a deleted scene that would have been R rated but it got cut and yeah Doctor Strange as well there was that video that got like there was fights in with Wanda with like Decapitated Commitage Sorcerer but that got cut yeah like they could say gonna be R but that doesn't really mean anything until like the film things change you can intend for something to be R and or like PG-13 and then it changes depending on the production the reality is like it is a Marvel Studios film and there was a brand there in the same way that like Disney is a brand and there are expectations there and I don't know how much like general audiences are gonna be reset I don't know like there's probably a lot that goes into making this keeping in mind I love Logan being free to be in an R rated thing the character I mean but uh you know they they've got a guy who they're hoping probably to they're gonna package him back into PG-13 if we're not lucky and they know that like he can sell he he's he he like you know almost unfortunately became so popular that he overshadowed all the other characters in the X-Men original trilogy and then got himself his own trilogy you know to varying successes and so it could be that again right like the idea what I'm saying is like if Disney were like oh yeah Ryan you can make it R rated that's fine without some being counters being like I don't think so we should be yeah you know we should be using this opportunity yeah you know it's marketed as violent but we'll just we'll do the the PG-13 violence there it will blow up some aliens we could blow up some robots and aliens yeah what's not red right yeah fuck them up we'll have yeah we'll have Logan chop a robot and aliens in half and blue blood and oil will go everywhere good enough can we just get rid of the MPAA by now though like what what the hell purpose do they even serve the ratings are they're still inconsistent I'm still confused as to what constitutes our ratings and then of course like the the only useful thing they've done in in recent memory is they they gave blonde an NC 17 rating and that makes me want to see it like that's the only thing though everything else about the MPAA can lick my nuts so fucking tired of them that is very rated comment that's true I've always been curious if it's really robotic or not or do they just sort of wing it when they're watching like or do they have like a big checklist I think that there are certain rules right so PG-13 film you can say fuck once but no longer more than that and there's like one fuck that's right yeah pretty much which a lot of movies don't even use they don't use them at all I'm pretty sure no Marvel movie and I think um because there's different ones as well like I think Disney has its own internal like rules like no smoking or anything I think I'm not sure I don't know how to just have their own rules as well smoking's just been obliterated from film and games everything kind of do you guys remember there's a controversy there's been a couple of these but I remember Graves had his cigar removed in League of Legends and players were incredibly upset they're like give the fucking cigar back I know McCree kept his cigar in Australia the the classification or they renamed him Johnny Cowboy or something what's that they renamed him Cole Cassidy I think right McCree oh Cassidy was coming out like a week isn't it it's coming out like real soon and nobody cares oh yeah that's right that game I'm never gonna play he's gonna come out soon yeah what happened remember whatever because Blizzard's fucking shit Blizzard's terrible and they can't do anything good they're still hobbling along aren't they Blizzard I think um yeah I uh I guess right like I remember Diablo immortal and Overwatch too you know you said I saw I remember I saw on a bus a Diablo immortal post was like oh yeah Diablo immortal I mean everyone's favorite yeah no everybody's like it's it's easy to make fun of but the the fucking unfortunate reality is you know that game makes them more money than anything else that they make by a long shot probably like it is a lot of people who will just throw money at it to see those numbers well I think um something that I find pretty uh frustrating about the way that this topic has discussed is I think some people may well have come to the erroneous conclusion that like single player games like god of war make more money than live service games like like not even it's not close no it's it's um it's the reality is that live service games are pretty incredible from a profit standpoint if you can get a successful one perpetual income huge profit margins because it's digital assets so like that's like a 100% profit margin more or less it's about as close to that as you can get exactly you control the you decide what's legendary you decide what's rare you get to control that and you have a monopoly in game there's nowhere else that you can go it's all an in game system and um I I don't know why I've forgotten about the other one oh well the the other one the most important one in all honesty is that since it's a mobile game especially um women play like women play unreasonably higher numbers yeah mobile mark is filled with the women players right don't they dominate they do play an unreasonable more time for more so than more so than male players on mobile yeah I think that the split is uh different because like if you look at dumb longing to it like dsp it's a lot of money like a lot of money to be made from individuals don't in chat say that I'm inclined to agree I don't really catch many people if any saying you know god of war is is proof that you don't need the live-services type games however even I've been caught saying you don't have to do live-services god of war sells it's like visible god of war is like pretty unique there's not many of those where it's like god of war like very deliberately cuts itself off from your ability to pay for more things it's like nope you've paid you've got it that's it that's we're done like not many games do that because it's like um that's their job right now game companies they're like trying to find a way to be socially acceptable but also make more money and it's just like you could take this route it's not gonna add well and we saw a couple years back what happened when they overreached the battlefront too right that was when they were like oh shit it's like pull back pull back pull back um we for at least a couple years I'm not sure if it's still happening where they would mark it as being like no micro transactions in this that was like a thing of being like check out our game I don't know if they're still doing that now though I don't know it's like now they're now they all they learned from battlefront too was you can't sell power to western audience yeah you sell cosmetics you sell cosmetics and battle pass dude you can even you can sell those and you just gotta get the price right you can't do it for as much as they did um I think you can even still sell like hey just plus one damage how about that so now the gaming's dead now the gaming's dead um well so first of all I was gonna say since uh since Nick you haven't you haven't been here for our previous coverage and you uh you do what's it called lal it's like some kind of system in life or whatever for those who don't know you like you like read and I don't know how to explain it to people there's like humans came up with this thing where you can like do stuff and sometimes the other humans will be like no and then they put you in jail which is really unfair I think oh I thought you were saying lol like league of legends I thought you meant that he was a league of legends player that was dude that was you just remind me of when uh the copyright shit happened with uh cool cat guy and his like videos he would pronounce law as lol and it would just be like LAWL is how it sounds like he was saying it at the time but it was a very serious video because he was like he treats law like a joke because he was I think he was pretty he was on good terms with he was on good terms with YMS but he what he hated I hate everything and he was like completely inconsistent because uh I think he benefited in the same way Tommy Wiseau did with like the the notoriety from YMS but then he was like no I only YMS is allowed to shit on me no one else copyright man and that did not go well for him you guys remember that that was a little thing that happened I don't remember that that was uh that was a long time ago I was about to say is that 2014 oh that was I think 2015 2015 2016 so yeah a while good times well yeah Nick you uh you get all up to all kinds of things all kinds of fun events on the old uh YouTubes and I've I've just been looking for the right time to grab you and they released that that oh Disney when released a law show had you believe it I mean I guess it's a law show it's definitely a law show what do you mean it's almost as boring as actual legal work that's true so they did they did get it they got that accurate huh nice dude it's uh yeah I mean I'm I I'm a lawyer sort of because like I don't really do it uh anymore because YouTube's way more fun um but uh but no I am an active licensed attorney I could take a client today if I wanted to uh and I talk about I started off talking about exclusively legal issues and really like struggled with with talking about anything else for a while because it's like oh no this is a law show no it's uh now I just talk about kind of whatever um comes to mind and law sometimes happens but um it's uh it's a fun gig well yeah I mean uh it's it's uh it's surprising where it'll pop up and it's uh I think there's been the sort of I want to say in the last maybe five years in total but a gradual increase of people's strong interest in watching people who are experts in fields review media for the thing that they're representing I've seen this for medicine definitely for law yeah like forensics detective work or musicians they're like oh like what Chad does right you know yeah yeah shadow to be one evil um people love it because it's really cool to see and it gives you an insight into how shit tv shows are I mean yeah how different they are um and now famously I'm assuming you know about this uh is is that they said as the the writers said they know nothing about law uh shocker shocking yeah so I think it was specifically in relation to we had a plan to do like a multi-episode Emil Blonsky like court uh case but we realized we couldn't write compelling legal drama holy shit Jesus as a statement just like oh oh you've just highlighted something uh that should probably recuse you from right this show are they like huh no they're very least I don't know like getting a legal consultant to help you out yeah or you know even just reading a few wikipedia articles yeah that have been that might have been something yeah just like anything there are there are tons of so there's too many lawyers one we need we need a culling like a professional culling of it but um I feel the same about podcasters you you can find you you can find a lawyer who's out of work it's not that hard so just and who's done work and who's done probably good work but they get burned out they get tired whatever and they could use a little scratch so just hire anybody to help out with the very basic elements of law and they have Disney money they can afford to bring on even two guys you know so they can check each other's work clean episodes and be like oh no I don't think that's how that goes okay three imagine that three lawyers who's to say that they would have even listened to them they might be like no this this doesn't work like in any way to perform bring a guarantee you well the lawyer would be like oh you you can't have um she randomly submits perfume to evidence in order for them to smell it to know how good it is and that's why she did it or something that doesn't really work I wouldn't happen then like yeah you don't understand why we're doing that as a writer I feel you have to understand that I know better than you as to why this is happening it's very satisfying for the viewers and you're like uh okay or the very opening scene where she's practicing her closing argument and then her paralegal like creams herself over using the weight of civic duty it's like that's every closing argument ever all of them use the weight of civic duty I mean I'm I'm being hyperbolic but see this is not like some unique concept that the writers came up with like yeah lawyers have figured it out it's um something that becomes like very apparent in the show more so than like the overt breaches like where they've just completely gotten it wrong to me is that they've totally failed to like capture like the the um I guess the broader like approach or mindset of um of like they they haven't captured uh the way that somebody should be like perceiving the legal system and interacting with it or like how it informs a way that they think about cases or approach matters that they're dealing with like that didn't get them to act like lawyers or behave like lawyers lawyer like lawyers it's like actors pretending to be lawyers and but but not even at all not even close it's uh it's so weird like lawyers are lawyers are people barely and um and a lot of people forget that because they think they're like these robotic uh analytical machines and sometimes they are but but those people don't they're not litigating because they're autistic or whatever they don't go in a courtroom and and work with a jury or a judge because they don't you know feed off of emotions very well they can't read a room they can't have a conversation it makes them ultimately unpersuasive no matter how smart or sharp they are there's uh certainly a ton of really good work for those attorneys too they're just not in the courtroom thing like I I'm not sure what Jennifer Walters is supposed to be in this show um at all because she's like supposed to be a good litigator but everything she does is stupid like every single thing and detached from just general good interactions with people she doesn't seem to be able to persuade or empathize with anybody in the entire show this is very much a case of the show tells you that she's good at her job and you just have to accept it despite how many mistakes she makes like it's insane mistakes yeah we're not talking about small mistakes these are huge no like we're talking about mistakes it would get her just bad it's it's not just her though like so far every attorney in the show uh except for the like the one guy at the beginning doing the closing arguments for the for the evil lawyer company or whatever um every attorney in the show is bad and and exceedingly bad they're bad with clients they're they're uh their representation of mr mortal which i guess we'll get to is is abysmal like it's horrifying how bad it is um oh jeez well you're gonna say if we we're gonna be covering uh was it five and six yeah five and six yeah that's what we got if we just want to jump a little through the the highlights of lull in the episodes just to get yeah takes um curious if it differs from ours well maybe there's some extra details that we may have missed but you know one of the one of the things that were just interesting from the get-go i think uh was was episode one where titania just bursts into the room which by the way we still don't know why she did that or how she had all of the charges cleared yep on the television set i mean it's incredible she threw she threw a desk at a jury like yeah i had 12 counts of attempted murder yeah as well as the assault that she was perpetrating against all of the guards at the bailiffs and everybody like the fact that she's busted into the totality of the crimes is pretty insane and there were many witnesses it's over you're finished why did she do it we don't know she was avoiding uh traffic or traffic yeah okay that's it that makes enough sense fuck it um but yeah it wasn't even going to be this scene necessarily i was i was hoping to talk about it was going to be following up so e-hulk is blamed for the mistrial as a result of saving the jury's life and then she is fired as a result that is what was bizarre series of cause and effect have hit in a while right that yeah the uh it was and she works for a prosecutor's office it's like wait no way no way did they fire her for this mistrial and that that's one of the only things they've gotten right so far because at the end of the show i was like this is a mistrial like there's no way you can have this this jury rule on this case in this way it's got to be a mistrial and then of course in the second episode they open up with the the whole mistrial bit and yet she gets fired by her boss at a bar while drunk oh yeah that that makes sense yeah d i think that's how the da is obviously usually does it was she not present like when they were determining whether it was a mistrial she just wasn't there that was a surprise she's getting drunk in a bar ringing that's where she was oh yeah yeah right like why didn't that happen in the courtroom there'd be a motion input is not required and then you'd argue about whether it should be a mistrial and then it would be decided but you would be there you wouldn't or the or the judge might just suesponte issue a mistrial like okay this got too crazy there's no way this jury can do this after the trauma even if you don't want to blame it on a particular person like the trauma of these events is made this this is a mistrial uh well we'll recalendar this thing if if the da's office wants to pursue it again and that that'd be it like either either that or you have the motion practice like did you raise the motion you missed the part where the judge would have said this is all jennifer's fault for saving lives yeah you know this miss walters i recommend firing her that's what you should do is it was so weird but but of course they're they're playing on the uh women have it so hard in the workplace that they get fired for other people's criminal conduct i guess like that happens all the time i mean i i've read a slew of stories just today about women getting fired while someone else commits a crime in their workplace and they prevent it that's that's what happens constantly so that was at least accurate that's true i was going to ask you about a show is basically a show for justice this show is about justice for women what about the the nature of celebrity within lawyers because she then tries to get a job and they all refuse her because of her celebrity status almost she'd be too distracting in the courtroom what do you think about that yeah that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard and no law firm is that stupid because you don't have to put her in court like having she hulk on your staff would be uh after the publicity especially would draw people in that i would actually hire her and make her open a she hulk instagram account immediately with our firm name plastered all over it because that would just bring in so many clients and so many referrals it it's a Kardashian effect when kim Kardashian gets out of law school and and if she manages to pass the bar whatever any law firm on earth would be they'll be they should be clamoring to hire her because she'll bring in so much money and just don't ever let her talk to a client and don't ever let her practice law but just have her advertise it on instagram like get a get a Kardashian and Kardashian bikini bottom and put it on her and just just put that right on right on every social media thing and they'll make they'll make millions of dollars but yeah you do the same thing with with she hulker any celebrity attorney that that just that raises the firm's profile it does not lower it or add risk that was a dumb that they try to avoid even dealing with it as well because she said wait so i didn't do the right thing you was like no no no saving lives was the right thing but you fired it's like so well there was just nothing then there was nothing that was to be done yeah something that's worth noting as well as that again the show's perspective is she's a really good lawyer so that so like anybody who wants to hire her doesn't even have to be concerned about competency or lack thereof she's apparently pretty good at her job apparently and she's also famous like why would nobody wants to hire her because she saved the jury very publicly she saved 12 lives plus who knows how many more in the courtroom look i'm i'm an asshole on youtube right and i get calls and emails and requests constantly to represent people all over the country even though i say over and over like i'm not i'm not taking clients and i do that it's just me i don't have like a paralegal and a research department and all this stuff it's and and still because of my what i consider to be minor e celebrity status it doesn't matter people want that you know they do that i would wager that legal legal is worth more to his firm doing youtube videos and practicing law because i bet those youtube videos which reach millions of people with every single one bring in just just an avalanche of clients and so yeah that this it's completely detached from the reality of how influence works and how marketable and valuable it is everybody on earth would want to be represented by she hulk especially if she were competent but even if she weren't when you say all that because they lose on both ends in the if they want to create a world we're here having done that means that no one wants to hire her you're like hey that's ridiculous and doesn't match our world at all but fine goes if you could stick to that and it's like nope she gets hired by that law firm specifically for the reasons we've just been going over the hollow way is like we'll use you because you've got you know attention as a as a hero as a people people need to see you doing all this stuff which by the way is really funny because he wants her to be in court as she hulk very public facing and stuff when like she has to be she hulk in the building with at most you'll have a couple of employees seeing her coworkers and stuff but um even makes appearances sometimes where she's just Jen and I just like I wonder if it's all uh worthwhile not um trying to argue that she hulk and Jen are worth seeing you know in the same way that um seeing Tony Stark or seeing him in his suit like it's um it's just something they didn't they don't take it all very seriously what I'm saying it's like they don't create a package for her they don't think about it ahead of time like you know with the whole trademark name thing uh when she meets up oh my god when she meets up with hallway about it he's like why did I see your name attached to like a perfume bottle when I was going down the road it's like you know a law firm that can't take care of its own issues no one's gonna hire so fix this I'm just like wait you didn't check the trademark on her name when you were hiring her specifically for the sort of publicity of her name like you as a firm you you guys weren't interested in checking that yourselves it was an unspoken responsibility to be given to the woman I guess so like she's an idiot too but you know what I mean and it's funny because yeah if that law firm was planning to market like the she-hulk wing of the the law firm they would have trademarked it immediately like that would have been their go-to we're gonna use this in commerce right away and we're gonna put it on her that the whole trademark thing makes me want to die every single aspect of it is wrong and I just hate everything about it oh god it pisses me off well since we're speeding through we will we will get there because Blonski I think is next right we I got it so there's like a clip that's been uploaded for the new episode and there's like yay it looks so terrible like visually oh do you want you want us to see it want us to watch it we can do it right now yeah it's about 17 I can just just some really wait don't don't look at it we'll put them all together but also is this how long is the clip in total oh it's a minute all right we're gonna have to we'll have to take it slow or you can go we'll go straight to that if you want is it yeah yeah it's it's uh it's remarkable how bad it looks all right here we go I can't wait I thought I didn't have to watch more but yeah I guess I do a bit rude of you uh for you to force us to watch more she helped but hey yeah it's kind of fucked up I'll have to watch more because of you that's not doing not loading for me what is it doing uh do you want to try and do it because like I'm I put it in and hit complete it won't let me give it to know what's going on oh better is it uh well I can see it now can you guys yeah hey guys just roll into a car yes okay all right I'll put this um so do you want to uh take control of the thing for me put us what you want yeah sure let's get the head it's there's a fight that seems to be going on here what the hell all right because we've got to pause right because copyright yeah we'll try and be careful on that one um what's I hate the look of these two people I hate it I hate the aesthetic of the show well just wait for dead level man all right here we go it's it's like a bullfighting a bullfighter I I'm not sure what the fuck's going on look at that let's save them you do a little frame by frame of this oh so he's turning look at the direction he's turning he's been flung from his horn he's it he like opposite direction like the physics is totally booked you see that yeah he's right look at that changes direction that's great I love it I wish I could go frame by frame I'm not sure if I can't watch together is it with well apparently the women did the physics too so there'll be two frames that's so fucking funny what the hell there's gotta be two adjacent frames where he's just that where the swap happens in the motion where you could just go back and forth and see two completely different images you know it's like a the one guy was rendering like his his segment of of the throw and then someone else got the next part and they didn't consult and so they just flipped him the opposite way for the landing this is what really happened they were on set and they didn't give a fuck and then yeah that's right yeah well because what should happen there probably is that she should have turned in the other direction and maybe that would have worked but like instead they had to like throw from from the wrong direction and so like as he's landing it's like you've got to try and make him flip around but then have the physics would be the other way around it doesn't work it looks stupid also okay so she stops him his left horn her right hand right yes facing away from the car but then she would have had to she spins him the entire way around to do the throw is how it would have to go like that doesn't make sense either yeah they just didn't care when they were on it's so tangled up like oh the coordination is so bad I almost feel bad for him because you know that someone probably suffered over this shot and they knew when they made it this is terrible but hopefully it's fast enough oh no it's just right horn okay how how strong is she like should he should he be dead I don't know a lot of people might be dead like I guess he wouldn't be dead because he didn't she didn't throw him that far from like from the head though from the horn on his head oh you mean like the you mean like the leverage from around his neck would have been really fucking probably oh if it were gritty she would have just ripped his horn right out of his skull probably yeah exactly either that or yeah and then we think about those guys she fought in episode three like she threw one guy so high up in the air that it took him a couple of seconds to return to the ground yeah that guy was dead that hurts so yeah that's that's that's out remember how strong Hulk is like with one punch he was able to stop that Chitari eel meanwhile and she's one of the strongest hair to his arms and legs yeah she's stronger than him you pick it look at the look at the hair that's just glued yeah look at it what is that that's a good observation jeez it's awful it's really awful they reached into the the drain they they went to his house and reached into the drain and just pulled it out and then they just glued it because that's how hair works yeah it just is like in this it's just like in these very well defined clumps specifically on this they didn't just they didn't just make them like a minute look at this focus here like she's she's like in focus when she probably shouldn't be like she just looks she looks like a like a transparent png it's just stuck on the oh it's just the the Prius looks CGI they couldn't afford a real Prius that's true this is cal this is california man she's looking a little scary like this she looks she looks have you guys ever seen that picture of the guy who's like a witch and he's got the big veiny neck or whatever he's like i have to post yeah yeah bring me up right now you can just see like the constraints of the budget constantly all the time like in this show that they didn't have enough money to do what they wanted to do that or they just didn't know how to use the resources available to them that would be worse there is an approach that creators have when they are aware of their budgets this is not one of those projects because well i mean except for how little heroine goes on too all the fights are only ever like 20 seconds because if they were any longer it would cost too much money but again it's a matter of like not using their resources well because Daredevil has had less money to make their show than this absolutely they did but you telling the story that's grounded you don't need any crazy like CGI stuff going on you can just have five people fighting in a whole way and you can make it work with some real talent and creativity i heard uh i heard from someone the rumor is that there's so many MCU shows being pumped out by Disney and they all need CGI that the artists are getting burned out and actually leaving and so they're having trouble keeping up with the quality and the output that's required and um yeah pretty much yeah there could be some truth to that because it's so bad this show is so bad that was one of the first observations my wife had when i was sitting we're sitting there watching the first episode and Hulk looks terrible too like they both look bad they're both CGI'd awfully the entire time it's like how do you guys not we know that it's not a limited like we know that the problem is not the technology because there are better examples that are older of like achieving similar effects Thanos a leader looked really good as well like there's a lot of um examples of CG characters that work well the problem it's it's basically what you pointed out the problem that they have is there is a finite number of visual effects studios there's only so many and there's only so many that are like the super duper prestigious ones that get a ton of work um they get more work than they can actually do in all likelihood um there's all these projects where it used to be like 10 15 years ago maybe you have like two or three vfx heavy movies per year now it's like 30 40 maybe even like lots of films have even invisible visual effects like really just like the background you've got like a green screen so they can put in the cityscape or something that's all work tv shows have it too like the the volume of work has ballooned it's insane how much work needs to be done and like how little time and resources a lot of studios have um and yeah and then you have this problem it's the same in the video game industry you lose people those people if they'd stayed in the industry you're eventually going to become the you know the leaders in the industry like the people in charge um long term this has to be unsustainable because like this is not this out like this can't be sustainable there's no way like look at how it's already beginning to buckle and break yeah how clearly this is why they don't want to get it out and then move on because this is like i think so because nobody's going to rewatch these shows yeah nobody's um nobody cares right last phase uh this is the last tv show yeah and then it's Wakanda forever is the last film and then it's phase five it's official then the tv show like phase fours tv shows were a very piss poor experiment that went horribly wrong um well they're gonna keep doing tv shows no of course you've even seen the sentiment for the people who really really sing the praises of these shows even the they can't keep it up they just can't uh and no they can't i keep seeing i keep seeing video essays recommended on youtube about people not liking the face yeah i keep dude that shit's bizarre so many of the people who are making those videos are people we covered who are praising all the fucking shit in phase four it's just like when the hell did you join the bandwagon with a hook we used to say this before it was popular how could you it was popular yeah and now everybody's starting to realize but it's like too late you know we've had what 15 projects that are being garbage one of the um one of the biggest ironies i think is that we kind of uh set the sort of like the death at Loki the show that just annihilates the MCU while most people seem to think that Loki is one of the best things that happened in phase four of those kinds of people there's just like uh huh okay yeah for a lot of people at store and stuff but like that it took that long you think it's not even thought it's just that that's the movie where they were like it's too overt not to just feel it even though it happened already maybe right like it's hard to be willfully blind like Thor Love and Thunder prize your eyes open it's like do you see yeah like the leprosy has hit your neck but it started at your fingertips you know like it's there that it's bad it's like no it's been bad for a long time i haven't i haven't watched anything marvel i think in phase four at all until this this is your fault i entirely i would apologize but i think chat very thankful that i did that to you we chose a different path we got so much to talk about well i mean we're talking about the episodes with Emil Blonski how do you feel about jennifer's whole approach to dealing with that conflict of interest i just hope respect on making on that case well i mean technically uh you can get a conflict waiver it's up to the client to do so and they they to their credit they got a conflict waiver um you know i i guess this is what i would i would find interesting to hone in on jennifer walters in terms of resolving the conflict personally seems a lot more interested in ascertaining whether or not he's a good person rather than determining if she can approach this impartially and dispense yes adjunis as effectively as possible yeah that's that's a hundred percent true is is can uh because there's there's two elements to the conflict can can i adequately represent this person do i think i can do that can i separate it from the from the issue and then the other one is for the clients are you informed and aware are you giving informed consent to waive that uh that conflict he seems to be like he seems to be okay because he's he's a reform man i guess and he apologizes but she's just like is is he actually apologizing because if he totally says sorry then it's fine and i'm all in but um that's not your job your job is to act in his best interests and like and uh basically try to help him like regardless yeah yeah and she kind of doesn't know she definitely doesn't but that also as a reason comes up the following episode doesn't get mentioned here at all and it seems to me like they remembered that as they were right in this yeah like oh do you process it's like yeah that's pretty important yeah fuck i forgot yeah okay um because it seems like she takes the case yeah you know the way that like um i guess scenes work where we are like oh he's uh he's a he's a good he's a good guy like i'm pretty sure he's redeemed he was doing all these things like i'm pretty good and then he's just like you're calling me to say you're taking the case she's like yes i am and to me it seemed like all the things she was saying they were actually just sort of fluff and that in reality she's taking the case because she didn't want to lose this job yeah she wants which um rather is really important character yeah because well she doesn't care about due process she's not actually doing it because she believes he's actually innocent deserves proper representation to get him out of this situation it's just that she just wants the money and the prestige which is really important to it you it's not that you can't do that it's that i want the show to recognize that's what it's done and that's what this show does throughout that i've like it is it is so self-unaware of how terrible of a female gen walters is like she is she is so many things that are criticisms of women she is that just bundled up into a character and put on screen yeah like stereotype shows empowering to women yeah it's like she's she's vapid she's self centered and self organized self motivated which i i guess is is okay but it comes across to like this narcissistic degree like she's great she can do everything um and the weird thing is i'm not an expert on this but if i'm not mistaken no and no she-hulk uh in the comics i'm an expert on women that's for sure oh okay but uh but no like if correct me if i'm wrong but in the comics gen walters was like mousy and and kind of like you know she was competent uh but she wasn't confident and then that was the whole point of being she-hulk was that she brought up those she's like the high testosterone version right like she's the self-assured thing and that brought her the the ability to actually put her competency into practice and that doesn't come through here at all to me um as far as there's no difference in her personality you know the same the same person it's just taller and green and then she makes she gets frustrated how she-hulk is her window or rather her portal into like getting everything she wants and that's how everyone treats her so unfair so unfair so unfair and then she's using it that way without uh accepting the fact that it's like to be a criticism of her it's clearly the arc they're going for there's a big ol the they keep dropping hints that that's that's going to be the end of the season she's gonna love being she-hulk woohoo we did it that's going to be the big payoff but up to this point it's really frustrating that she's hyper critical of everybody for being interested in the she-hulk part of her when she is also using it to her advantage all the time and she's aware of it right do you guys remember when um it's in the wedding episode so we'll cover it again but uh when she's like I really want to go to this wedding not for any other reason than to be she-hulk and to have people say I'm pretty yeah I wanted to be successful it's like that's what it's good reunion for is this what I mean it's just like what are you telling me show like why do you know what you're telling me or do you just like I don't know it gets gets a little bit weird there there's literal events that you go to to like like to show people that you're yeah no I made it this is how I'm doing like those are fine like a high school reunion right like you go back it's like yeah or like some alumni dinner at a college like oh yeah here's what I'm doing now what are you up to you don't do that to overshadow your friend at their wedding like that's the most about her thing I know it's amazing that's the thing I think about me then why the fuck am I going I think they wanted to establish that a friend was kind of an asshole herself but like they didn't do that before she turned up and was like hey everybody look at me whoo and she knew that's what she was doing by the way it wasn't like an accident all of the female friendships in the show are 100 accurate to stereotypical awful female friendships we are all of them we've been highlighted this and like her paralegal friend that the show loves the show really likes that paralegal friend she's awful for her she uh only ever is about the material she just wants the money that she never seems very concerned with how Jennifer feels in her situation it's always about what it gets them in terms of things like look at our big office and our mini fridge isn't that cool it's like wow dare I compare that to foggy it's like oof did I hear did I hear right also like there was just one quick reference of it while they were at the bar that are one her friends a lesbian too right is she it's it's it means probably okay I thought she might have been a lesbian at one point with the um miss book whatever when she's like I want to take you out for a drink and she's like yes oh I was like yeah finally this show's getting good yes and then and then but I'm pretty sure at the bar when uh when the guy approaches them like and two two women sitting you know in a booth at a bar and the guy's like walks up because you know that's kind of guys do it boss yeah yeah and they're like we are totally working here it's like you're at a you're working at a bar yeah go to a fucking Starbucks you weirdos how do you feel about the name of the bar legal ease do you like it actually I think that's kind of clever yeah that's that's pretty fun one point because you don't think yeah you got one there's uh well there's a bar I always go to when I go to anime Matsuri in Houston because it's it's right in the same place it's called the hearsay and it's like well I have to go there right like that's it's got a stupid legal name and you just have to go so I actually am fond of the legal ease name of the bar but I'm pretty sure in that scene the the chick reveals that she's a lesbian and I think she's got a girlfriend even oh okay yeah I can't remember it's hard to keep track of sometimes is uh I'm so used to Batwoman where everybody's a lesbian so it's straightforward but in this show like get some straight people the villains are straight in in Batwoman where it depends if they're a girl they're lesbians right oh yeah I guess the girl all the girls are lesbians I don't know where all the people come from because all the girls are lesbians and all of them males are straight but they end up being imprisoned because it's so hard to accept a fictional world rags where people can turn into PNGs and float around to fly like that's that's pretty impressive I don't think you can do that in real life that is pretty impressive I just I don't know so yeah um you're accepting to do that for Blonski just uh to me just it sets character every time and then uh how he doesn't tell her or anyone else all the information that's going to inevitably come out or rather the the tape of him escaping and fighting in a fight club thing just happens to really did they ever tell us why that happened to release the exact same time as she became his lawyer no I think we had mentioned why or if they would explain it I think I was the one who would who would ask if they would explain the timing I think it's purely just a coincidence to create drama within the show yeah I don't think there's actually a reason for it great yeah it does coincidence I mean there would be there would not be a parole hearing there would be a parole hearing for the enormous monster that cracked a city in half what do you mean what I meant I meant this would come up like at an a criminal proceeding and he would be sentenced to a a crime of escaping for instance like he would have to go through the due process there there would be another court case something they do in this show which was exemplified in the elf case uh is if Blonski had escaped that cell grabbed Jennifer Walton just smacked her on the ground over and over again until she blew up into a pile of flesh they would have judged him and given him a sentence on the spot that's how they think the law works they would just been like yes this is you did the bad I totally knew matter like that there would be a new case and then that whole procedure would play out instead it's like no we can sort of fudge everything together because it would get too complicated but I mean it's complicated because of the nature of the story you're telling there's complicated stuff well in the case of Blonski though like you think he's up for parole you think he's getting any parole hearing ever I want to know what the original sentencing was because he's only now presenting that he was apparently like screwed over by the government and that he was that didn't really come up by the way she highlights it and she's like ooh and then that never gets said in his in the rest of it yeah that's an appellate argument not a parole argument he would wear that would be an appeals case where what how long has he been in jail why is he already up for parole like parole in 15 years I'm pretty like it's pretty common for people like if you killed one person you got charged with first-degree murder and convicted you wouldn't be up for parole in 15 years like you'd have to wait longer than that and he like what he did he killed multiple people he destroyed a whole city well I was going to say the property damage would be absolutely intense what he did in Harlem and it would be it would be consecutive it would not be it would not be concurrent sentencing on this because back yeah when when you have multiple homicides and an extreme destruction and like just reckless devastation that happened it would be it would be you just keep going through them so there there wouldn't be I mean yeah I don't know why he's up for parole and I think I highlighted when we check it out but there's this small clip that gets played in the almost the background but there's the prosecutor that put him away on tv saying whoever would want to defend this monster is like a piece of shit because of the horrible things he's and then it gets turned off and I'm just like can we talk to that guy can we bring that character in let's find out about Blonsky's actually original case let's see what happened with it let's see let's see like the details of it because like this doesn't make any sense right now it's just because he's like I'm a nice reformed innocent person and it's just like okay but like you got sentenced to the crime of having done what you did I don't I don't think that's gonna help after what you did like it doesn't matter how many years of good behavior you've got when you've done something like that and it it it really like the much more convenient way to handle this from a storytelling and legally accurate position would have been to do the appeals case because the appeals case would nullify all of it it would just get rid of everything and he would be able to go go free but I guess they really wanted that resolution of you can't turn into abomination again you know if you do then you violate your your probation or whatever and it's like what why is but but going through the appeal being like oh yeah the US government actually asked him to do this he was acting as an agent of the state he should have qualified immunity for what happened uh you know those are the types of arguments that you'd want to see not like well he's really a good person with seven old women he helped a security guard with his marriage or something yeah like oh therapy or something yeah but then again there is a groovy guy now there is that like an offense while you're in prison escaping from prison that's kind of a big deal yeah but he's groovy now uh yes but you know we we need one witness to to just say that's not his fault bro and that's it that's that's all you need and he's free to go and like how he's turning into abomination without like precaution and precision and permission and just like that's probably another crime because I imagine if it can't contain him yeah everybody got scared well the argument Jen makes is he could have escaped but he didn't it's like what's the point of the cell maybe it's just the cell is just the best they could do and they're hoping that he doesn't maybe they it's it's like the the power limiter on captain marvel they like they need him to believe that he's limited yeah they tell him his cell yeah they'd be no point in trying to escape because you definitely can't break through this he's like I can't like definitely can't no point in trying trust me don't even waste your time okay don't don't even bother don't even bother transforming and attempting it right now because if you did that you would just be embarrassed you'd be wasting your time yeah and right now as you sit there in that glass box you you have so many other things you could be doing instead so don't even waste your time trying to break out you see the bed they gave him look this old did mountain yeah that's a bit mean right next to the toilet as well don't eat well that's actually something I'd expect in a prison cell but I just mean like you know they usually give him a mattress maybe that little thing is real comfy uh so yeah it's it's worse than the portal cell oh yeah like when they went when she had a list of uh people who are gonna testify on his behalf and talk about how cool he was it was just like a single page word document yep with some names that was all of her notes for her case he's a really good lawyer not like she would have several binders overflowing with notes no guys her mind is like a steel trap she remembers it all it's up in her headspace that's how good she is at remembering information she's just that good that's just a credit to how good she is that she takes so few notes and brings so few references because it's all inside of her headspace yes yeah and she keeps winning comes in yeah well wong just opens a portal into a maximum security prison just jumps in hey i'm wong i'm here to i'm here to talk about uh i'm here to talk about how amiel is a good guy uh it was my fault i forced him to escape prison all right that's a crime buddy i'll see you he also violated the express rules of the prison every time he did anything portal yep exactly it's incredible and they don't know if he had a weapon on him or any sort of like any any contraband anything that they would not want in that prison he just portals in without going through the security checks he's un unregistered unqualified like he's just some guy has just broken into the prison this is intense and then to tell us that he is broken a prisoner out before it's like yeah exactly and i forced him which i mean we talk about the total again you broke someone out of prison you broke into a prison you apparently threatened somebody into doing things for you like to commit crimes on your behalf well wong you're in a very out of character in front of it one to punch after multiverse of madness as if he needed it yeah it's um so he's a fugitive for the rest of his life but we'll forget about that in episode four when he shows up in open court again it's only a law show doesn't matter it's fine fugitive from what is just i don't even know what that word is or means i've never heard of it before yeah i love how much he cares about like the rules of sorcery um but he doesn't care at all about the rules of anything else like all the rules are bad except for the rules of sorcery which must be uh abided by at all costs for i'm going to use the legal system i don't respect to enforce those rules it's a big so sensible and then of course he he seems to be barely aware of what the law is he's like what book do you go by and it's like oh the book of book of laws like oh so like as though he's an alien that's how they treat it it's really annoying um but then simultaneously tries to use the law to get his way with the sling ring in a later episode which is bizarre and that you just um i was gonna say uh Nick how long do you think it would take for the american legal system to be able to reformat the entire system to account for magic couple days we we still haven't figured out how to reformat it for the internet yeah it's like we can't there's no way it's so funny that he portals witnesses in at will and they just accept this they're like yeah just portal somebody into a courtroom not like you got a you know if there's any security in the court do you have id who are you are you even an american citizen like are you a magical conjuration are you real who was saying he was an actual person imagine there was like footage of you just annihilating a group people with a machine going over and then you and you're like wait wait wait wait i got a witness and you bring in to some guy and he says i mind controlled him to do it okay bye and then leaves like well you're innocent oh is it okay it was mind controlled though so yeah you have to and the guy the magic portal man said so are you gonna doubt a man who comes through a portal no yeah from the from the strategy perspective of gen malters looking at the you know bringing wong in you would why you would have him portal into the jail is insane because it instantly shreds his credibility you would have him show up of course go through all of the security protocols the same thing she has to do she has to be in there as not she hulk she has to be in there as gen walters and and that's that should be like a point of dramatic contention and also like like first of all she should be worse than she hulk is because that's the character but it should also just be the trigger that yeah this place really really cares about the rules and you're gonna bring this guy in like i could see him portaling out that would have been the good joke but he should have been there and gone through security because she would have demanded that because you'd have to like you'd have to have wong show up in the most credible way possible uh and and he doesn't like the parole board should have immediately denied everything i hear well you should hate it i think everyone's supposed to hate it because why else would you make this horrible except for these stated purpose in the show with it's like having wong tune up means people will like our show right like you may as well have said that she did say it he's an yeah she actually did say that like almost almost verbatim she's like everybody loves when wong shows up even though it's my show how intelligent this show is it recognizes how shit it is that makes it really good it guys so it's bad yeah absolutely i hate all the fourth wall stuff yeah i hate they haven't spent it well at all yeah a lot of the time it's either did you like how because oh yeah right we didn't talk about the uh the asshole da guy and his his case with the elf oh my god story the story connecting what do you think about the elf case and um and everything that that entailed uh first of all that whole episode being just an homage to megan the stallion is the weirdest thing i like everybody on earth like everybody's like mega the stallion is the greatest and i'm like who who the fuck is back at the stallion was my question i had no clue this person was it's it she's some rapper i guess or something i don't know like a knockoff nikki minaj i i don't even know uh i just i've heard the name before and know nothing about her but everybody in the show like the the little squirrely asshole da like that's who he goes to try and pick up his megan the stallion it's like he doesn't look like a megan the stallion kind of guy like to me i don't know i don't know if that was supposed to be ironic or whatever but um and then everybody is like just just fucking fawning over this woman and it's like she's not that like this is not a universally uh uh appealing person you say she's not gal Gadot i actually i watched death on the nile i happened to watch that today that's the one with the cannibal right that's bringing help me out is that all right i i think i don't know if there's like arnie hammer right yeah he likes cannibalism wasn't that the thing i i'm pretty sure that's the big twisted web that i just don't like i was trying to explain to my dad because he was just like you know he was he was asking what what will be next for puaro's adventures and i was like i'm not sure they get another word because this one did do very well because i think i think it got tagged a little bit by uh uh i was like how do i explain this um what are the main actors in trouble because of cannibalism yeah it doesn't happen very often this sounds like a mystery for a pure puaro the case of the eaten man you brought it up because gal Gadot is in in that film yes she is i don't know if it's a spoiler to say she's the one who's made all the human flesh fulfill denial oh there's a couple lines that i was like oh how didn't that one go viral too but you know they chose a good one it's just too many because i mean you know like the like there was that one in wonder woman i said before i need you to give me the stone what was that that delivery what happened listen okay she's pretty okay yeah anyway yeah uh that l is i um i did on the the cameo thing with uh megan the stallion i think i mentioned it before because i saw someone on twitter said it was like it was like when the simpsons had tony hawk on and every single time it's like tony hawk oh my god it's tony hawk like wow tony like they had to say the full name and they just kept talking about how cool tony hawk was it's like that again except well if they just said tony then you'd obviously be thinking you'd be like that tony yeah tony stark or like tony uh the tiger probably oh definitely i would think of that which one which episode is uh which episode is the elf one by the way the three three i think yeah yeah it's like how the elf impersonated the da guy to get into the meeting with his lawyer to try and get his lawyer to drop the case and that's and then his lawyer didn't it didn't think about it like at all like first of all i hate that guy i hate that guy so much like the way he talks is grating and irritating um the delivery of his lines oh god i want to strangle him but um yeah so the guy like leaves and then they know there's a shapeshifter running around and there's no precautions there's nothing about like client confidentiality this is a law firm that runs a superhero division that has to be like they know they're dealing with this stuff yeah there would you put protocols in place to try and verify everything and when your client comes right back in one second later and has a complete change of heart on everything while they're dealing with a shapeshifter i mean i was like oh it's the elf okay well i got it yeah dude that's how everybody had the reaction they're like oh okay and then and then you immediately thought like oh man they don't have anything to stop this but the writers are like they won't figure it out so what we'll do is have it be called by the guy at the same time you can't talk to him on the phone and talk to him in the room at the same time that's not possible what unless he's hauling you from inside the room which you probably know that you would likely notice that doesn't happen often but i mean man it's kind of weird that like like this elf was just committed several crimes man yeah this is a thing you litigate in the this one to try and figure out how to end it in the service she just commits way easier to prove what's straight away in front of everyone yeah like make sure there's loads of witnesses exactly she walks out and pretends to be pug so it's like trespassing fraud like dare we keep going yeah it's uh and then when the thing with the judge right that the judge is like yeah now that i've ended the case with this guy i'm just gonna throw on how much is it like uh 60 days and he doesn't even say which prison like where she's 60 days where today it's like yeah it'd be i mean contempt contempt is in county jail that's where they would go but they didn't like just say like i'm holding you in contempt of court but it was um for the impersonating the judge which is different than contempt of court i was gonna say surely the punishment for that right way more than its own thing well i mean if if they got criminal impersonation then that that would have to be a whole separate case exactly exactly you wouldn't just sentence it straight away a whole new trial right if we can ignore how stupid that is the sentencing just seems off to me here's what i'm saying the judge could i think in theory they should they didn't say this but the judge could go like judges have plenary authority to make a contempt of court hearing or a contempt of court ruling on the spot and say no you you clearly showed contempt for this court you tried to you know you tried to change the court order which isn't going to work because the court order has to be verified by a written order afterwards like it's uh the you know the the case will be dismissed but the written order will follow the verbal order and the written order will actually supersede it once it's done so like her coming by be like i changed my mind it wouldn't do anything like there'd be no legal effect to it because the actual judge is just going to go back and and verify and enter into the enter into the record the actual ruling but so if you but if you come back and you're like yeah uh this is this is contempt clearly it's a definition of contempt trying to subvert the court uh by through impersonation they could make a ruling and say 60 days i think they can hold them they can hold them up to like six months or a year but the longer it gets you know the easier it is to to get it broken you know get a get an actual hearing on the issue from from another judge but but yeah like in theory they could have done it but they just didn't do it that way and it's like why didn't you just find a da or a public defender and say how how have contempt rulings worked in criminal cases before like that you've been in because one of them has seen one somewhere you can probably just watch one on youtube where where judge finds someone in contempt actually i know you can i've watched that's a lot of work i mean you're going to watch a youtube video before you write up your whole show just steal what happened just change the names it's that simple no one owns that you like that what happened in a courtroom it's not like you're actually stealing it you can just do it john grisham's entire career is this so just do it um so what did you think about the fact that they need it proven that a shapeshifter could possibly convince someone there's someone else i i just don't get it it's like like everyone's laughing at him at the idea that he fell for it it's like fell for it it's technically speaking there's nothing to fall for because that's it it's done well no what he should have he should have reasonably concluded that he was dating a shapeshifting elf that was more whenever you're with a girl who you think is out of your league you should assume that's a shapeshifting elf yeah yeah yeah well and that was kind of funny because they they keep making this guy out to be like a giant piece of shit unnecessarily like there's no reason for this guy to have to suck he's such a minor character but but he has to be the worst the worst guy ever and it's like okay yeah i mean i'm sure his like bordering on sexual harassment with everything he says in the show and being a monster to everyone around him all of his colleagues that wouldn't get him fired at all from a from a state run office okay let's just assume that but second of all it's like yeah remember that you're a piece of shit and you should know your piece of shit so therefore um yeah frankly if you're dating any woman you should assume that it's a shapeshifting man like a shapeshifting alien because that doesn't even make fucking sense because it's like in this world how many shapeshifters have we even seen zero well a scroll they've been public knowledge i was about to say that scroll do they even know about shapeshifters yet and if they did hey nick how much does this change the legal system having shapeshifters like oh god holy fuck you'd have to have that everyone doubly so now right now they they said she was as guardian right yes yeah it's a i i don't know enough about it it gave her diplomatic immunity but only in new asgard which was weird i don't know how that works and also california doesn't remember yeah it doesn't work like you think the lawyer question do lawyers bring up defenses they know don't work just for the hell of it sometimes like only if it's funny only if it's funny because sometimes yeah i mean if if you think you you might go this probably won't work but i'm gonna i'm gonna take a shot and and you would have a legally articulable reason why it should work this time even though it doesn't work any other times right like yeah but there's some special circumstance here but there are limits right you wouldn't go like my client might not be human so can we really judge him by these rules or something you wouldn't try like no so like the idea that maybe i'm being a little bit extreme but this lawyer being like he had she had diplomatic immunity and then the judge which by the way we're gonna accept that that makes sense for a second and with these asgard rules whatever and the judge is like well we're not in new asgard so it doesn't apply it's like the lawyer would know that right so is there any point in even bringing that up well or at the very least like diplomatic immunity would have been settled before yes got here pre-trial motion for sure like long before a court hearing or that would be the entire hearing right like there would be a motion filed papers back and forth both there would be no surprise to this motion to dismiss for diplomatic immunity or uh that the defense would say or you know Jen would say uh whoa your honor this is this is out of nowhere can i have a week or 10 days or 15 days to you know can we get this on paper this is a complicated issue to just have pop up an oral argument out of nowhere and i'm supposed to address this argument unprepared with no legal authority to back up either side of this no way i mean if unless the law is so clearly obvious and there are no questions of fact then you wouldn't even uh you would not be bringing this thing in court and the judge wouldn't even entertain it like they'd be like okay well we're gonna adjourn today we'll we'll calendar this 30 days out and you you get me your brief by this day your brief your response by this day and your reply brief in seven days later like they just calendar it out that's that's how court actually works no and the fact that all these things are going directly to court hearings within like minutes of them occurring like these rather than month later yeah it's it's insane it's almost very temporarily confusing show it's the uh whenever there's law shows that used to be what we want because i'm assuming you you may have seen more than one in your lifetime right do you ever watch alley material i don't know i i i did when i was you know when it was on i watched a couple at my mom watched it like crazy so i saw a couple episodes but i didn't make a habit of watching law shows but still yeah those are the times where i think they likely had a law advisor to some degree but they still were like we will make sacrifices for pacing as well as entertainment you know here and there but we'll try this show is like way through the downstream of that attitude to the point of being like why hire a law person at all that's just a waste we shot in a courtroom yeah and it'll be like good enough i i think i made a uh comparison on our last she held coverage where i was just like i'm just waiting for them to just throw out double jeopardy as a as a tomb and they'll just they'll apply it to whatever they want they'll just be like this is double jeopardy and that means we can't do it and it'll have like no sense two episodes of jeopardy in a row that day yes uh no it and like the timeline stuff really got annoying in the trademark thing because trademark is a really long process you you register your trademark uh and then you know the the patent trademark office has to they they publish they publish like the trademarks that are coming up in this register that comes out i think it's quarterly or something and then you have like six months from the publication to contest the trademark that's the whole point of the publication you have to keep watching them uh and then if if it's uncontested it goes through but that's still not the end of it and you can like the and most trademark stuff is done on on papers it's not done you know an oral argument because trademark is very very fact intensive and it's not a lot of legal arguments around it and then like you can once the trademark is established you can try to enforce it through the right through the district courts but it's like they just skipped all that titanium just like oh yeah i have a trademark that was fine like i got it it's like oh you you just got it then you you have it okay you think about the timeline right because the thing that allows Jen to win is that she'd been using it in days and she had just that is one of the ones we're covering right that is the episode we're gonna be yeah yeah uh true true true we'll jump we'll do um we'll do so much ranting to do we've already got episode four left to sub right so this this legend here our magician who put the entire world in danger uh chat absolute what a chat there are no needs um because i like nick i don't know how familiar you are with like the doctor strange magical shit side of this it's bad but knowing that some guy managed to leave kamataj with a swing ring and doctor strange and wong did nothing about it is uh frustrating to say the least but to then tell us that once they find out their responses uh go get jen walters to sue him what why does it take it what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna get jen walters to sue him and establish a precedent um that only licensed magicians can use magic yeah that's not a trademark that's not a source there is being opened up well yeah because a cease and desist it's like mad like and of course they they act like the cease and desist matters um cease and desist are legally almost completely useless uh there are a few statutes that require you to send some sort of like like there are defamation statutes in different states that require you to send mitigation letters so it's like cease using the defamatory statements we demand retractions or whatever and then those are just part of the process leading up to the lawsuit you like in texas you have to do that um you have to send a letter that says you said these things we need them taken down we need retractions and we need you to stop stop saying them they don't have to follow it you just have to send it and so like but the cease and desist letter it's like you send them a cease and desist i get cease and desist letters i just laugh and make fun of them online because they're pointless but um but yeah so i hate that every show acts very seriously yeah they all they all matter so much so i think he sends super cease and desist right i'm the super ceaser i guess you just think about like what wong wants to achieve it's like mad wong like what you're trying to achieve like my dude good luck maybe we shouldn't go with the first major reaction yeah well if you want to establish really you probably want to be going out campaigning for new legislation new regulations you know like um federal you should probably confer with confer with all the other sorcerers maybe dr strange well to be honest with you they should all just on the spot they shall count every day that the law hasn't cracked down on this sorcery bullshit as a yeah a blessing that they're not an extremely tight leash like dragon age style they also should have sued for conversion on the on the sling ring like he doesn't own that that's not his he stole it uh he needed that needs to be ordered by the court return to wong as the the keeper of this stuff that's actually true like that's that's the one aspect he might be able to get him on is that it's property of kamatage not his right right and that wasn't even considered in the show at all they're like which was the problem it was the sling ring because the guy could only ever do the the the the spells that were causing problems with the sling ring everything else he was doing they didn't give a shit about so great one of the oh sorry go for it i was just gonna say all of his other stuff were just run of the mill illusions just boring fake you know the the whole thing he did apparently until this one where he he could have gotten someone killed it's like why are you not getting madison to like file criminal charge like why are you not pursuing that as an option the thing is you say like until you know we really fucking we get like that demon army but he's just been sending random girls into demon dimensions to complete quests like what the fuck how has this gone unnoticed how has he not gotten in trouble for this by now no no way the court lets a drunk witness on the stand by the way not not even gonna ask about that i am i saw some people in chat saying it's not what was there was there was a counter argument it was something like as long as it's made aware and that the person agrees or something is it what's supposed to press it for this uh if you're a witness testifying under a mind altering substance like alcohol that would impair your ability to accurately recall events or impair your ability to communicate them like you're you're not going to be on the witness stand that's what i would have thought yeah because couldn't they just claim later that that's bullshit testimony because they were drunk yeah yeah yeah i mean the and the other party could claim this person is clearly intoxicated there i know that they try to make the other lawyer look like dr robotnik's like downsy brother or whatever but like there is another party in the room that is going to raise issues in this world oh god it's it's just like come on guys like someone is there who it's his job to challenge this i know he's he's a man so he's got to be dumpy and incompetent in the she-hulk universe but like he's still gonna just say yeah uh no we're not we object to this witness like one who is she like two why is she just anchoring from a club yeah she's drunk too like oh sorry she's the drunk what we're talking about but i just mean like it's insane that you didn't even tell her like oh we're gonna need you today she's a friend as well just she'd have to be on the witness list like this all happens with lists lawyers there's surprise witnesses almost never occur i think as was highlighted when we covered this episode it was like wait a minute she's in a club that's like active is she on a different different part of the country like it we don't know where she is from she's just yanked in from wherever uh she was she was almost funny in the show though i will give that credit like her character was almost funny i'd rather i'd rather watch a show about her than to have or whoever the actually like her to have a ditzy drunk girl stumbling through a demon dimension completing quest sounds hilarious i want to see the go her and wong odd cup her and wong odd couple remake would actually probably be like a funny show but wong from the first doctor stranger he's actually not retarded yeah and then we have her and she's just just her that would be fun yeah that would be fun we got this instead though also yeah i do hate surprise witnesses as well and no cross examination drives me nuts you i'm not a lawyer and even i'm like come on now come on the other lawyers don't care just like it's fine how many will go up there and say whatever it doesn't matter and and why are they letting his like old magician weird uncle guy like sit at the table there like don't know what's that guy have to do with this he'd be in the gallery there's no reason to have him up at council table with the with the um you know the defense they wanted to have that pay off the all three of the magicians like how funny is that the lawyer's a magician and detonating smoke bombs in a courtroom yeah that's chill and you have the at least if the show i don't even know which is better having the show be like unaware that detonating a smoke bomb is something you cannot fucking do or having the judge be like if you do that again i'll have had you in contempt of court it's like wait but why haven't you yeah just stop immediately that's an explosive incendiary device it doesn't oh my god how to get through security yeah it's a good question and that's uh as we highlighted or it is it like did you notice this when you're watching that uh the long had become in an american fugitive and then the following episode he is in court for his own case like that's hilarious you know what i i didn't even think about it i was just like my my brain was just like i what what the fuck ever i guess he's he's here okay i really want to know what the the rise would say response to that because that's a tough one to just write like be like eh whatever don't you think it's weird that you guys wrote this yeah you guys told me that he's a fugitive and then you told me that he can just sit in a courtroom and argue his own case for his trademarking magic to belong to him essentially yeah there's a bailiff there hadn't even tried to cuff him like at least make long have to escape shouldn't even be able to get there well you could just technically just portal in just portal in portal out but like that'd be kind of funny if long was always just popping in and popping out like constantly try like because he was he was dodging everything from then on but he had to help she halt like and so it became this this conflict and like a comedic conflict where well we really need wong to help out with this case or to bring in this witness and so that was all he ever did was like gustin and the bailiffs run charging at him and he has to bust back through the portal every time like that could be a funny bit like throw that in the show instead of having it just be ignored so um it's the was this i think we talked about this just before the stream started actually but the uh one of the ones that i think really got on your news uh for anything um part about the contract or part about the season desist right isn't it is they want to she wants them to sign it like all right well uh wait which which part like at the end you mean after everything obviously there's there's more we could talk about but i'm just giving to like the bigger ones yeah yeah well so it's mainly because because obviously there's a case they haven't decided on it yet and he's still allowed to practice magic he does his magic show opens a portal to a hell dimension and a bunch of bats spawn out and start uh presumably attacking all of the people in there but they all escape and then um and then like uh wong tells uh donnie blaze to call jen she she has his number like you know a phone he she doesn't answer and then she comes in to help fight them and then as he's there cowering in the corner she holds up a demon dog thing and says hey yeah you're gonna agree to the season desist right and he's like yeah yeah like you you blew it you ruined it you there's there's not a great irony that if she had walked up to them without threatening them and said are you gonna sign it now and then they go yeah that that's that's better than holding up a fucking demon but it it's also highly improper she's opposing counsel their lawyer is not present exactly yeah she can't even she can't even talk to them like her her only communication with them needs to be i cannot talk to you about this case without your counsel present i cannot do that exactly it's it's over she's destroyed it she destroyed her case she had it she now she is a great lawyer but then she destroyed it she's like can we talk about one other thing with with the demons real quick though yeah can we talk about all the fact that they were brought in from the hell dimension wong didn't send them back to the hell dimension he actually sent them to some snowy mountain place he unleashed uh immortal uh demon like murder demons on some other unwitting place that they clearly are not from it's like what what the hell was that like why didn't he just open a portal back to the hell dimension and send them through there i don't know why didn't he creates the vortex that eventually sucks them all in and i'm like then why were you sitting there fighting them one v one over and over again like just do the why did you see how why don't lead why do you even get her considering all the problems it's gonna and also just the cease and desist yeah because that's that's the biggest problem you have right now is the cease and desist not the many many many cats and like you unleash demon bats on an audience well she'll just give them a very system if they are a problem and that'll take care of that very conveniently by the way they can like put up with being hit by she-hull she even comments on how they can't they don't seem to die but simultaneously they can't escape this room they can't deal with wood apparently no it's like in i guess i was like in scary movie four or whatever right they've mastered intergalactic travel but they can't operate a wooden door that's scary three at the i fucking do one of my favorite gags of all things actually is from scary movie three is i have infinite respect for the movie just for this one joke i almost uh prime picture this okay they all that they they say like all the men should go out there and fight the aliens while the women stay behind they're like oh okay and they pick up some weapons and one of the characters or even all of them think of a shovel and they walk in toward them and they're like are you ready and he's like yeah the guy cocks the shovel the little fucking shell comes out of it it's so fucking good i swear to god the the cove and leslie nielson beat it up as well is is just wonderful um but yeah uh everybody's an idiot and it's really annoying to watch and they nearly destroyed the entire world um yeah but wasn't it fun why don't we keep doing that didn't we say that she-hull could be one of the ones that shouldn't have to deal with wild ending stakes and it was like whoop never mind well they couldn't help themselves they just had to have these crazy scenarios yeah because it could just be one little demon that's flying around they have to chase it like a bat's inside yeah he's kind of cute for the trailer not as lockable a literal unkillable flying rodent that you have to just you have to just wrangle it like you have to do that and it would be actually really bad if this little monster got out and started biting the necks of theater goers or whatever but like who knows what kind of crazy like supernatural illnesses you might have inflicted on all these people like he's going to jail don't he plays going to jail perhaps for the rest of his day of course that that was the thing i meant to bring up was just like she's she's threatening them to force them to sign a contract without their lawyers present when it's just like why don't you just get him on these horrible horribly unethical things he's done why why don't you just do that it's not as fun as threatening him with a bat demon why and this is what i mean like you know that just like oh you just hate it because whatever ascribe motivation but it's just like she's so bad at her job and i think all it was was like the writers thought wouldn't it be funny if she was like hiling up the demon dog to get him to sign the cease and desist it's like hey yeah what's duress it's like huh what like duress is that a is that a super is that like is she really really tough to kill oh i didn't even realize that she threw the little winged demon and into the wall and it creates the big giant monster dog yeah exactly that evolved it seemed like they made it worse are they on a timer or are they is it prompted by trauma i don't know it doesn't make sense it's i thought i thought it used to be like getting them wet or feeding them after midnight but no it's just throwing them into a picture frame and suddenly um so yeah i don't know if there was anything else because then we can we can get into the new episodes oh i mean as far as legal stuff no but there's this whole thing with the dating that was just infuriating you know what we'll talk about it more because we're gonna get confirmation of a particular element of it in episode where the trademark episode oh i thought you meant like the trademark episode not the episode about the trademark i mean when you excited rise when the episode ended it's like you're being sued by or whatever for titania for the she-hulk name is like oh that's gonna happen next episode oh well most of that sentence wasn't necessary i was excited when the episode ended yes what gives why can't you just say that the show is pretty damn cool and interesting what is it it is very cool it's not so much it's it's it's fun it's so much fun we're having so much fun oh yes hundred percent i have fun i'm gonna go fetch a drink so i'll just be a minute guys all right mon has entered the chat that's cool uh that will give me time to address something that i think we've all been thinking but someone's gotta be the one to finally say it uh nick your your icon is it's all wobbly it's all i know yep it's all it's all wibble wobble it's off i don't even know how to fix it it's off kilter it's well it's like you it's it's like you made that one but where it's in the center right if you think i made this uh i got news for you i can't make shit you know someone else you don't have an official icon for your like oh yeah it's it's an old one i uh oh here i can probably update it i just i never use like i never do anything on discord so well let me see i can maybe it maybe it was the knowing that your your logo was all wibbly wobbly that kept you from wanting to come on discord you didn't want everyone to see it but the little wobble wobble that's what it was too much to bear yeah let's see where is the uh how do i turn off i hate stream remote there we go uh i gotta edit this thing change the avatar well because you can you're actually the current logo might be fine it might be just that it got cropped weird when you uh when you were adjusting no i think if i remember right uh the guy who made it it was off center ah let's see oh my heart look i don't i don't do any of this stuff this is this will help you just blossom into a new person learning all of these things adding this skill to your tool belt what you put on your resume discord master just here we go icon rearranger specifically just yeah well look if you put the fancier words in you can make it sound like a real skill yeah there we go on yeah icon or brand icon management manager yeah yeah specialist did i change it now specialist well it looks maybe we gotta maybe we got oh no it should be changed now uh on my side might take a little minute go your profile profile it's still wibbly wobbly but it might take a moment and then it kicks in or maybe i can change it or yeah i saved the changes on my on my screen it shows i could disconnect and reconnect oh well i mean that might do it look i look maybe rags super upset about the wiggle wobble but i'm i'm okay but fringy is also as well he's he told me that he was all very upset about it and he also told me that he would deny this in public if we talked about it so i don't know why you would turn this call into a house of lies i brought fringy in through a portal so that he could tell you that your icon was really wobbly i too noticed it i've been looking at it the whole time like i've been staring at it going i kind of hate this dude when you have that friend who's got a giant tumor on their head and you're just like here i'll be i'll be right back uh just disconnect and reconnect call that should do it here we go here we go all right no no i guess we're just we just have you've gotta just live with yourself now we have to accept the wiggle wobble learn to uh is that maybe that's that's a gunk cat oh you've got a different one i does i still see the wiggle wobble but i see still it's wiggle wobble the shock of your profile pictures managed to kill the long train in chat nice kill the long train the long train was on again i'm cat yeah all you have to do is look on on the youtube video itself it has changed for the audience so i'm very proud of what has happened now oh let it be known that the long train is now off the rails kill the one dude the long train at train the long train should be studied forever um so what's the gun cat what's that you have to i don't know the lore of the gun cat oh boy so that is uh who's cat slash gun that is um the gun to the man named Ethan Ralph oh he's yeah he's yeah i'm so oh i know that yeah he had that horrific gun yeah the gun yeah people may be tempted to think that what they are seeing in the picture is like a butt a a that is not that is a stomach it's a front but a front but yes yes that is a bifurcated uh stomach sack that's when there's so much advocated stomach sack it's there's so much adipose tissue in in your in your belly region that your body actually has to create a ridge of support going back to your spine that's the indent so that it can hold those two fills back is that what it's full of yeah just nasty just you know fat and pile and whatever at what point do you let yourself that oh my do you not have wholesome avatars gosh keep this one on back i'm in a pumpkin and you're like who this is the this is the way okay okay okay i brain membranous i can let me change on it that makes it okay right back and picky people i'm telling you i know i'm ridiculous let me change the other time yeah the uh the long train i've seen it in fact um i haven't seen it fully in fact friday night tights yet but i've seen it fully in fact open bar real bbc i just done you fat before even uh the long train infected the uh the doctor strange premier it's um it's crazy people just desperately want to do wong films like civil wong or a beautiful wong you know all of it's there um i mean you know you kind of this this is america freedom of speech back at the talk about whatever they don't talk about i just yeah i wonder if there are people in chat who are like i want to talk about what they're talking about it's like no i want to talk about she hulk i want to talk about the good the bad the wongly and we have to balance all of that out exactly i can't believe they've missed two wong fu thanks for everything julie newmar you sure they probably did that one they do like all of them repository in fact now that we've talked about it that'll be going for forever basically let the wong one in i'll be uh i'll be right back i gotta you know reset the avatar let the right wong in i suppose would be hey that's better no it's the old one yes but it's different i guess it hasn't changed for me so oh that's better i think yeah that's that's that's better that's better that is we're proud better yeah it's better when you talk you can't even notice i just had a i just had a really old one in there that was like the first logo someone drew for me uh a long a long time ago and now he is a fine logo no it's i don't even know i don't even know like i don't even know where the file that was the thumbnail or the uh little image there i don't even know where that is anymore well so it's gone oh you've killed it pretty good uh you guys ready to talk about episode five i'm sorry yeah nick i got a one ready what we just did was like the quick summary now oh i know now we're doing the long boy summer you see how a precious view is don't know what happens in episode five and six they gotta know and so we tell them piece by piece and they get to apparently they survive this because they come back so you know good for them i think um so the first thing that we get established from from the previous episode is that titanians made a whole ass fucking product a line of products actually cool yeah line of yeah of what are they called beauty products yeah what the hell was the timeline on this i told you this show is very confusing when it comes to time it's it's kind of like greens of power you don't know how much time passes in between scenes or moments because if we're supposed to believe that she got hit by a desk and she was upset she hulked and then she decided i'll get back at you by making me naming my perfume after you uh okay you know like that that's interesting um as revenge i guess uh she tries a different form of revenge in the episode after this one but i don't know that just seems like a really weird conclusion to make i'm gonna get you by using your name to promote my own perfume okay okay so so the interesting thing about this to me is that it is the most stereotypically caddy thing i can think of in a show that is not supposed to represent women as caddy and petty but the women writers just couldn't help themselves like huh i know how we'll get that bitch i'll steal her name i'll just take her name so she can't even use it which is ludicrous for reasons we'll get into but like that that was their go to is that women are so petty that when they're mad about something rather than do anything else she's going to take her name like that that's the idea and titania's kind of brain dead from the time that we spend with her every time she talks she just seems like she's just air in her skull um i do like how they're making fun of women influencers in that way right like oh she's super popular on instagram she must be functionally moronic yeah no that's fair uh and she does that have that line in the uh later episode where she's like oh you're gonna share this on instagram do you have like 50 followers like that that's all like oh and and this should tell you everything you need to know about the physical level of attraction of the writers of the show or at least how they perceive themselves right why they they project that the pretty people in the show are monsters and the so you can infer that they're all unattractive like that they could never be instagram models well they they try to present our protagonist in her human form as an unattractive and unwanted woman by men which is weird right no i mean like men not man is in mankind that might be also true but i mean like men um but like they act as if this person no man would ever want to date her or hang out with her only the weirdo losers would want to even talk to her or no she didn't even get matches and it's it's crazy because she's like she's not the hottest chick ever but she's not ugly no we nobody believes she's not getting loads of matches nobody believes it no why she's an attractive one no one believes that her phone isn't full of unwanted dick pics already like they're they're already just flooding in there and guys who just start spray painting their penises green and taking pictures of those would be like i can get it baby oh it's the jelly green giant uh and they imply that like dating in your 30s just means you're only beating terrible people and then once you sell she-hulk then you'll get the good ones only he's not one of the good ones because he doesn't want to date jen that that piece once a woman hits 30 your life is over you should just kill yourself well i guess it goes both ways because all the male over 30 people are just crazy weirdos she describes one of them as monstrous by the way yes which one did she describe as that's a great question right because i had to go back to the scene to check his dialogue because i was like holy shit monstrous was it just the writer no it was the wait was he no because the right the director writer cinematographer guy it was it was the guy who said kind of weird things i'm not going to say he's not weird but calling monstrous is absurd he said like it's awkward yeah he said like can your skin put up with being cut by vibranium and then she's like i don't know and then he's like i wish i had some to test like okay and then he's like wow you're such a specimen and then he says as a compliment that's just a thing that you know people might say clearly yeah this is the thing when you when you don't know someone to that degree it's just like oh he's just really awkward but yeah she refers to him as a creepy disgusting monstrous guy have had has there been any backlash online about how anti trans um this this the whole dating thing was oh i'm sure when you really hear they're bitching about it like some trans activists has to have picked up on the fact that she went created a dating profile based on one presentation she presents that way she gets the guy when she wakes up in the morning she presents differently he looks at her and is like i'm not into this at all i was into that like that is that it's like quintessentially anti trans right like you found out that this was actually a dude well he's presented is what happened the bad guy in that scenario right which that that's the the popular presentation is is that uh you know that that's that's the bad thing but um god i i guess maybe maybe maybe that's why there wasn't maybe that's why there wasn't backlash but just the whole scenario is like he woke up and found out that she wasn't who he thought she was so oh my god so and he'd like very politely leaves but oh yeah and he doesn't uh he doesn't explode on at her or he doesn't you just you're right he just leaves and later on he only has nice things to say he just felt that he wasn't given the whole truth which is as far as he goes with it which is interesting in terms of like um what it would like like how he could i was gonna say he probably could i don't know i don't know how far he could take it legally um because this is like unprecedented right her specific situation the fact that she can turn into a different person body type wise that will yeah yeah and i have to argue like how could he have known if he did what well it she she knew people didn't know uh she uses the fact that she's she held us a surprise and uh one of the her dates so she knows that some there wasn't a yeah there was an element of deception there um so and she knows that some people won't date her if they know she's gen uses that to her advantage as well to like not let people know at the very least all these sort of confluence of factors should have made her realize it's like this is a unique scenario that i'm in and some people might want to know these particular things about me like you know like if you have aids it's just um it's if she already knew like in an earlier date when she said that she was she hoped that would come as a surprise like that should be enough for her to realize it's like maybe not everybody in the world based on a couple of news reports they've seen understands my particular situation so you say that i don't even think she ever thought of that being the case i think she knew and that she was hoping in the morning after like here we go hopefully he's chill with this and then he's like he's not fuck that's uh the best faith way to like to present with her but yeah i think um yeah okay yeah so the the issue if i'm not mistaken with the whole genetic thing right is that blood contact with another person has one of two possible outcomes kill them uh a hulk them a lethal dose of gamma radiation or uh they become a hulk right like that's those are the two possibilities of blood transfer bruce said it's like one in a million that it would turn you into a hulk right and the rest of it is just you die yeah from gamma radiation so i mean i'm not a biologist but like there's something about the exchange of fluids for blood-borne sort of pathogens in and it should be check sexual transmission oh you're right yeah yeah no you're absolutely correct that that's that's something that should have been i know this show doesn't want to do it but i mean bruce and he should probably have had that conversation she should have asked him yeah like because she had sex with that guy if there was any sort of you know i know she has impenetrable skin but i would assume i don't know maybe i'm making too many assumptions about sex i think no your highlines we fail we don't know right there's doubt and that's enough to check it out you if someone said like it'll definitely kill anybody if you do have sex that was like no not definitely but i mean you don't want to risk that right yeah it seems really irresponsible to do the lawyer isn't aware of how this could like fall apart ethically because of course she's not you wouldn't have any familiarity with how things like that work she should like have to give him informed consent of i know it's california so like you don't have to do informed consent on some stuff like aids apparently now that's really aggressive but like this isn't just this isn't just like oh you could get hiv and and maybe have to take medication for the rest of your life this is you could die in the morning it's absurd and uh i just don't i think the show if they ever thought about this in the writer's room they were like no we're not covering that we're not talking about that fuck that that's not fun and this is a fun zone exactly that's what we what they would say they're like we're just having fun and uh yeah like isn't it isn't it so hilarious on her way to work she sees billboards celebrating this whole she-hulk and i was just like billboards and like interviews about the she-hulk perfume it's like how did you do this so fast what the fuck well yeah because when did you because we later find out the end i'm jumping ahead a bit she wins this case of course she wins because she used she-hulk in her dating profile which was like demonstrating oh you've used the name before she trademarked it um she had that date and the next morning she got the uh the the um the court order like she got the um the the notice of like titania's trademark and that she was infringing on it um like when did they get trademarked when what did this happen the other the other thing is okay uh the trademark thing evidence that you used she-hulk in a dating profile or evidence that you identify as she-hulk does not make you using the name in commerce like that that so trade it's a trademark you have to be using it in trade you can't just be like she's not she-hulk law firm she she works for glh and k or whatever right like yeah that's the firm if they had the you know uh if they had like she-hulk's uh superhero division law division or whatever that would be used in trade her name is never used in trade anywhere if she had made t-shirts that said she-hulk on them that would have been fine having it as a dating profile unless she's a whore is not actually using it in trade so the the entire premise of the trademark breaks down so fast how they analyze the question is completely incorrect because you know some guy named bill doesn't have a trademark on bill because he identifies as bill like everybody else can do it plus even if they did on the trademark issue the markets for these two things perfume versus legal advice are so disparate that likely both of them would have fully trademarkable property like yeah yeah like gerber or something like that berber gerber yeah but i mean like there's there's other gerbers out there right that is not saying many different many different gerbers there's a gaggle of gerbers if you're gerbers auto parts you're not selling baby food and everybody would no one would be confused and think oh wow this is the gerber baby food transmission they did try to account for this i think i might be looking too far into this but the whole argument in court is that she's banking on she-hulk's sort of you know uh zeitgeist around her to sell the perfume and then uh they even they even show us her retarded cousin ched he's like i've been selling these for you and then it's like oh no that's not for me that's actually for someone else you fool and it's like oh see so she's benefiting from but like that's such a bad example he has to be like one brain cell to be able to have thought oh this thing that's clearly got nothing to do with my cousin that i will not ask her about i will now purchase in bulk and resell it which by the way isn't that illegal well it uh actually i don't think purchasing in bulk and resellings illegal i would have thought like could titania take issue with that i guess it's what i should say maybe i can't remember how that works it depends on if he's representing as the brand like if he's representing as tight like as a titania official reseller or something it's one thing but if if you just like if you just buy stuff and sell it that's generally okay but um i mean that's what most stores do they don't they don't represent themselves as the maker of the products they just sell them right yeah so if if he's titania's brand or the she-hulk brand that's one thing and and he could be committing a crime it does or violating something it doesn't really matter the the other issue with this though is that there is a cause of action that has nothing to do with trademark that is what's going on here and it's um it's it's a private cause of action it's the right it's the right of publicity uh is what it's called there's a famous case where christian dior uh i think it was a long time ago um used uh what was it jackie kennedy's name like face to sell perfume that she didn't actually authorize and and that's like the landmark case on it and uh it it's it's infringing on someone's right of publicity because you cannot be said to endorse a product that you don't actually endorse they didn't have to go trademark there's already a legal cause of action that has nothing to do with trademark that's what pushes her into action i think by the way who retarded cousin selling without having realized it has nothing to do with her yeah i guess that they established him to be dumb as fuck so they're they're trying to get i think to the the trademark infringement element of likelihood of customer confusion i think maybe like they're like oh yeah someone has to be kind of confused by it but it's like again only if gen walters actually has a trademark on she-hulk and and first to register is not how trademark works either like first to register creates a presumption that you're the first to own it but it's only a presumption and it's absolutely rebuttable and it happens all the time if someone was actually using a name and trade pre-existing they get a common law trademark you don't have to register to own something um because that's insane uh in the united states system if you've created something and are using it you don't have to register your trademark unless you want to enforce it or if someone else tries to register it then you have to contest it and that's what would be going on yeah like fringy with his uh fringy with his bird and moller with his maskman me with a dog and you with you know like ricky the law and all that gun no one could use those and the names and the likenesses and start doing something with it mine's a little different because it's my name and that's another problem with this if she-hulk so you can't trademark your name like because someone else might have the name um so there that's why the right of publicity is a whole different issue than trademark is because you can't get a trademark on just a name um so for me like naming myself rickety law like there could be another there actually a couple other rickety lawyers uh and and they would be able or i think there's only one but uh they would be able to open a rickety law yeah i don't i don't think my cousin's too worried about it but uh i did they uh they could open a rickety law office and i would not be able to sue them because it's just their name right like so it's you don't get to trademark a name you have to create something unique uh and she-hulk is a weird case because it's like an alter ego or another moniker or whatever but she also didn't create it would there be any um sort of moment in the in the court case of like titania how did you come to the name she-hulk because the assumption is she just stole it to steal the the prestige of this superhero versus like if you can prove you came up with it uniquely on your own for your own reasons like that would help but like what reason could she even it's not like she's impossible to come up with her own thing she's like i threw a bunch of words into a fucking sock and like i just grabbed them and that's what i came out with okay it's a blah blah but would that come up would that be a necessary piece of information to all of this i mean it should all of all of this uh if she has some reason to be to have she-hulk i the i guess the other question be is she capitalizing on hulk but she's not using any imagery of she-hulk she's not using any imagery of hulk she's not even using the same color scheme so how can she be said to be like i'm on titania's side on this how can she be said to be infringing on anything that is even presumably owned or representing gen walters like there's there's nothing about it she didn't take a picture of her and slap her on the you know on the logo or on the label or anything uh it's pink all of its pink none of its green and it's all just about female empowerment through makeup or whatever like everything else so it uh the whole thing is a mess um for for trademark or right of publicity purposes it's it's all a mess and i hate it i want it to die slowly well you don't get to because we're we're making sure that you're alive to talk about this show right i will plug in i will i will cycle blood of children into you to keep you alive okay that's how that works right oh good i'm in congress now yay uh so all right yeah so chat comes in chad it is chad isn't it it's like really name chad i've never heard of that name before de ad this is like all right that's a name i guess um yeah and she's like oh you're selling this stuff for her and it's just yeah like i said it's just like you wouldn't ask ahead of time she'd be like oh doesn't how's how's that perfume shit you're doing i decided i would go on my own volition to just start selling it for you without asking you anything about it uh it's weird that there's no imagery to do with you on it though it's not even green it's weird actually it's not even green it's not about the woman that you fought yeah it wasn't i don't watch the news so i wouldn't know oh it's annoying how many people are unaware of that by the way uh you'd think the whole fucking world would be aware of the court case where a woman bursts through a wall and threw a desk at the jury and someone's super hero kaitanya had fans apparently after throwing a table at a court like in a courtroom full of people yeah i love that i love to see that and people that i follow it's very inspiring i feel empowered not only did that happen in the courtroom but also the prosecuting attorney burst into a giant green alien looking monster caught a desk and punched the other superhero that just busted through a wall into the thing or like knocked her unconscious with one blow after she did a slow motion flying sidekick like what the hey it's that kind of world that doesn't even make the news it's annoying because like that's huge this a second hulk that's huge news yes and it's huge news because the first hulk is a literal danger to civilization yeah right like i mean he worked out okay in the avengers but the hulk is always first presented as horrifying to have another one just crop up like the the automatic suspicion should be this this is terrifying you see the they were very proud of themselves for editing the main title sequence a couple of times whenever the joke turns up in the show you know she held by titanium and it's pinky paper whatever it's like ha ha and then they do a just gen attorney at the lower point of getting very proud of themselves for something that they could just it's a typeface right i assume that they could just change and then they're like hi i did a thing i'm talented yeah good for you man you compare it to the simpsons couch gags like these full blown different sequences yeah but that's not fair not like you have more money than the simpsons though that is true they did have access to far more money and they could probably hire whoever they wanted why does she dress like a child i don't know because that's fashion uh what was that thing we were watching where where it was there was a huge fashion component and we had no idea cruella cruella that's the one it's cruella whenever none of us had any clue yeah we had no idea if fashion was good or not we just had to rely on what the show was telling us oh that's fashionable then i guess it's fashionable or oh that's ugly like i got because it all looks like shit to me but i guess some it's just i don't even know i don't even know why does super strong and durable titania have a big bodyguard near her anyway why is she what where does she get her powers like why would you care about that ringy why wouldn't you care mr immortal we literally have an immortal man who just shows up that's true he's just around i guess we don't care anymore no we do not care anymore which is there just everywhere the genie has been let out of the bottle pandora's box has been opened with the the grand failures of will building the smaller little bits like oh there's a guy over there who's super strong is like they're just gonna let that seep it and it's like they those are small they drop in the buckets compared to like fucking what we're dealing with so jan goes in and she's like you're an asshole you've been using my stuff and stop it that's like her whole plan is to just say stop it when i think um jan if you've got two brain cells maybe maybe need more than one sort of figured out like with this enterprise being this enormous saying stop is not going to be anywhere near enough like uh yeah it feels like a lot of money's been invested into this it's kind of crazy that this happened in one day really some of the ball of me i think uh because i watched this i know right but i watched this uh like soon after it came out with uh with fringy and i was like did we just complete the scene and she didn't ask why like that's one of the at least the snug information you can actually get that's gonna be somewhat useful in terms of get it on record now why did you do this and you could even record her if it's vindictive you know yeah you've got well your your friend is there as a witness who could testify to the opposing party statement yeah but i mean even even if not like you didn't who knows you don't know them or whatever they don't want to do it your friend is right there who's going to be with you and could testify in court she said this and it won't be here say because it's opposing party statement against their interests like so yeah you would want to know like why are you doing this well because i'm trying to screw you over oh okay well there we solved that dilemma exactly because like you that's really useful if you plan to take her on in court that's like gonna be perfect but uh even if you don't you at least get a satisfaction of knowing because what if they're i mean you know it's it's like it's like a 0.001 percent chance this is a coincidence but let's rule it out shall we but the other thing right like the the whole other thing about this is i mean she's being so if i'm trying to get the procedural nature of this down she's served i guess with a lawsuit alleging trademark infringement right like titania sues she hulk she hulk sues titania she sues her back she countersues right yeah she countersues all right she countersues but the original suit is for trademark infringement but she hulk isn't using the name in trade like anywhere there's no people just call her she hulk and she can hey hitting in your 30s is a job my name is michelin from now on i'm i'm gonna walk around and be michelin i'll wear a puffy jacket and i'll just be michelin michelin gonna see you buddy it's like i'm not i'm not this thing and the star people i'm not fixing tires i'm not selling anything i'll even walk around be like nice tires my name is michelin you're like oh like nice time i know it's a man named michelin myself i can appreciate high quality tires you can do that all day they can't stop you there's nothing to stop you didn't do anything uh so i'm like the whole lawsuit's frivolous she shouldn't just motion for dismiss uh on on the frivolity of it i'm not using the name in trade or she should have contested it in a completely different way but never mind we can go on well yeah we get uh the b-plot is fucking incredible uh oh wait we're not we're not are we there yet pretty much yeah the all we get is like she hulk is like this doesn't bother me and then she like destroys her own equipment and it's like haha see it does bother her uh uh honey yeah it's very yeah because if you point out the joke if you make a joke very obvious to begin with and then you double down and point it out because they know the people who want she hulk and enjoy it have have no mental capability to just you do not have two brain cells to rub together and make a spark very dumb so they have to really make sure that you understood the joke that has occurred very important no way does this vapid uh paralegal use a surface notebook right she's definitely gonna have a macbook 100 percent oh yeah like apple simplifies it to the point where you just have to do a couple clicks and your job is done but there's no input really from the user especially if you only have to type out a page well girl yeah i think she's just sitting there complaining that she doesn't have more money as well right yeah basically um by the way that the the red on her eyes looks really bad it's a curious choice for um makeup i suppose wearing a for wearing a pink jacket too like not to get too too weird on color coordination but pinks and reds typically you're not mixing those i have no clue i proudly do not understand fashion and run away from it it's a look all right it's a look if um it's a look so like is her look like nuvo burka like she's covering as much of herself as possible with this outfit but she doesn't see that sweet pinky action she doesn't seem like the type of person who would be you know like full body coverage right she wears dresses like well so this is supposed to be a very like a risque real estate agent i can't see that hurdle neck and long sleeves like she's like i have a job to do and i'm good at it i'm gonna meet with clients but you know what we're gonna have some fun yeah and speaking of fun buying a new house doesn't have to be boring we find out pug his name is pug he wants to buy shoes and he needs her help so that's happening uh yeah this whole this whole conversation struck me as bizarre because the man was not being cut down and humiliated at every possible opportunity in fact he seemed to be because he collects shoes he collects iam m3s you don't want iam m3s he he acts stereotype like a stereotypical woman right like he's doing a predominantly female oriented activity of collecting shoes oh no no no collecting shoes is a big thing like basketball shoes or as they call them i think that's the idea he collects like superhero themed shoes is it yeah yeah he keys like shoe collecting isn't just it's not this lady thing there are guys who collect shoes but they're like basketball shoes and limited edition jordan's and things like that well again yeah in this universe they like a necton you could probably believe that he's sneaker heads is what i just thank you chat sneaker heads oh is it is that what i mean i i know this exists there's an auction site that i use to buy like x boxes and legos and stuff like that uh like rare lego sets um that uh that actually started by selling shoes by selling rare shoes like you you know i just one of the things i really appreciate about his character is that this guy's character oh he really does okay here we go he he puts the converse in conversation oh my god i literally just got to knock on my door i'm gonna let you sit with that clap that was the joke police showing up at your door that one hands off you're like gunfire yeah the weapon so the the uh the website is um it's stock x and yeah they got started by selling rare shoes i guess and now they sell rare you know rare other things in this auction thing it's really simple to use but um i god no i i hate i hate how this guy talks i hate him i hate is it redundant to say i don't i don't care i don't want to see any more of this plot line it's like which one do you want to see and i'm like okay touche he he talks like someone who is not i wouldn't expect someone who speaks in this manner to be like in a a lawyer office yeah it seems out in place if this was like a normalish casual guy talking about this it would make a lot of more sense but i suppose it's supposed i do i think this is their attempt to being like eh this guy he's not so he's not so stuffy and boring is he he collects shoes how about that that's character he's gonna be like he's gonna be like a one of those weird like paths for some character to have an acceptable romantic encounter with i'm not even sure you'll be allowed to have a girlfriend i feel like they'll no he's a loser who can't get a girl no that guy honor let me clarify i'm not saying they're going to this is going to be the guy who models the acceptable guy but he will never actually have it because again the show is written by like no it's not a general women this is this is a show written some some some a stereotype maybe that some men like this do exist and this is great to make fun of them even though they're saying that this guy's great right because the the the women writers of the show clearly hold low opinions of themselves and blame the entire world for their low opinions of themselves and that that drips through every single scene that's written here it's the only thing they've done right is portray how terrible they feel that they are for the world and how it's not their fault we had drinker drinkers theory when we were reviewing i think the first three episodes was like this show is like a big old wish fulfillment that these women have been in these circumstances and that this is what they wish they had done in them and um that's my potentially well my response to that was my assumption is they wish they were in the situations at all i don't think they've been able to that seems more likely yeah i don't think they've really lived the lives that got them into the situations that they can then talk about well it's the handsome when the handsome cordial and um the guy comes to you at the bar and compliments your beauty and he sees polite and you you you treat him like he's a creep and a loser and then he just leaves without a second thought but at least the door open for future social interactions politely that's sort of the scene that really cements that these things have never happened to you there's no way you'd actually you might think that you would do that and it might feel really empowering and strong and whatever you want to project here in the show but if that actually happened to you in real life you would be like flustered because you'd be so like oh my gosh you know this guy's talking to me and he's handsome and he's you know polite and he's nice he's complimentary it's the everyone clap thing or you're just like i don't really believe like you go girl you showed him yeah you did the right thing even though you didn't do the right thing you know they often do the wrong thing you did the exact opposite of what you should have done you're bad at behaving so yeah uh obviously we oh yeah go ahead i did i i love also as as we progress with this pug guy or whatever the fact that this is as gen walters puts it one of the most prestigious law firms in the country right this guy is a lawyer at that law firm he is not an idiot he is not unskilled he would have had to work really hard at either at law school or some other firm to get to where he is but they're going to treat him like he's a dumb child the entire show it's like that's fun a fun is that that is fun it's the fun rule this guy would have had to graduate in like the top five percent class of one of the top 10 ivy league schools in the nation to get to where he is no remember this is she helped universe he didn't have to do anything it's like all those men in the board room ah they just got that comment makes no sense right i hate that comment so much she's like oh you guys never had to be hired for a superficial element of your personality that you cannot change you had to do it for with work he's like okay no but i that's the she's complaining about something that's good it's like they had to earn their positions meanwhile i got hired for something that i can't even change about myself that i don't want to be recognized for solely this is like why are you saying that like a criticism this is what it says this is actually our criticism of how you get the job exactly this is the problem you've explained injustice it's such a classic moment that we've highlighted it like almost every time we stream about shihok that he's like people will think i was hired for uh you know diversity essentially right or not not exactly the same but it's applicable you you're hired for a thing that makes you different than a lot of people or everyone even in this circumstance not because of your skill which is really frustrating for her and i'd be like yeah that is frustrating let's fucked up you shouldn't be hired for something like that you should be hired for how good you are at the job so right why are you saying the people will be hired but like she's saying why you know it sucks the people will think that's why it is like that is why it's 100 the reason and you have to either be comfortable with that being the reason or you shouldn't take the job and i agree took the job yeah that's the thing i agree with her it's fucked up that they do in that they using you that's that's that's totally fucked up but then she's like yes but big office okay god was in a fridge full of waters and red bulls yeah and when she's like oh i'm gonna have to buy more clothes now like okay kind of rum there was that moment in episode four right when she's fighting the demon bats and she's talking about the handsome doctor man who never gets a name and it's like oh he's nice and sweet and he's hot not that that shouldn't matter but it does it's like you just can't help yourself really no these these sort of weird like self-owns he's a literal walking 10 like everything we are jumping ahead a little bit but at the end of the episode like he gets chastised and he gets chastised without any reference to his name because he doesn't have one he is the handsome man it's kind of incredible that he's being shit on for being like um superficial when the show and the characters don't even know what his name is or can't give him one which um kind of incredible uh viewers with a strong memory we did encounter this with Wonder Woman 84 we had uh the guy who's credited specifically as handsome man which um i feel like if you went the direction of saying hot woman uh people would be like that it's fucked up you shouldn't just call it oh guys remember our destination where the character is just referred to as Milf how to say a character name on imdb is Milf you used to be able to get away with it yeah i was gonna say like attractive dancer one through six or whatever yeah you know but they were literally just in the background there they didn't have lines in an entire scene and a backstory like they're just that's the only descriptor they could come up with and to these guys like they could have called him pediatric neurosurgeon like if they didn't want to be named call him john whatever fuck it john fine call him nick the guy she bangs there you go guy guy who is banged guy oh well guy guy who gets cradled like a baby yeah that was so emasculating too he deserved it to be honest oh so yeah next up they arrive uh the pulls him the drip broker where he gets the shoes from and uh we're here because they're trying to go through him to find someone who can make a new costume super suit whatever for uh for she held that's a that's a mission they got and like i don't know exactly what they were trying to do here for funnies it's really hard to decipher the jokes in this show sometimes you go um it's like oh you're ready to order and he goes alonzo sent me as like a code and he's like yeah what and then because things are not being understood very well but the guy is clearly speaking english um the paralegal just starts going speaking in mandarin it's like why and then the guy goes is that chinese i don't speak chinese um but he looks asian that's he should know chinese if you look at how it works in movies yeah yeah there's no all languages uh so what's and then she was like oh i feel so awful and then she's like why did okay like that that was just hilarious though that was a hilarious joke is very all of us laughed of the four of us who watched this episode all four of us laughed i think there was still fighting back a laughter right now you can see it on oh yeah you can't hand on mouth he's like can we briefly address the paralegal situation um this is a paralegal at the da's office who gets brought along to be paralegal with her at this new law firm paralegals don't make a fortune she is constantly wearing like you know fashion choices has a diverse shoe line up she's wearing tons and tons of jewelry in every scene and she's driving a brand new car like where did this chick ever get any money at all we talked about this briefly in episode two because the asshole da guy it's like you're a district attorney in los angeles and you had 175 thousand dollars burned that's not like save that's just burned on it on a girlfriend it's funny that you can spend on a whim it's like uh you're a da like you don't get paid that much right like a da in in in uh los angeles la county attorney salary 81 to 150k a year well just scraping by well it's california rice it's probably pretty yeah that's true live in la like $17 Starbucks or whatever unless unless but yeah he wasn't the district attorney like he was in a district attorney yeah he's in the da's office but he's not the da so $75,000 lying around he is a financially prudent man clearly like holy shit well except when it comes to girlfriends he's side businesses yeah he has a side hustle where he sells like antique refurbished model cars it needs to be said this is like fucking puoro levels of trying to figure out what the hell's going on they didn't know he was dating megan the stallion but they did establish that he is very loud about who he's dating meaning they must not have been dating very long yet he spent 175k on it yeah or the other um implausible thing we'd have to accept is he didn't tell anybody which is absurd the way that he's characterized he'd tell everybody he'd tell him as soon as he got out there it couldn't be held a secret because he would be taking photos with her being like look everyone look at the world i am dating megan and then people be like whoa is he and then they'd start sharing it and sharing it and then megan the stallion would be like i ain't dating that guy what the fuck yeah or it could just be as simple as she wasn't in america she was touring somewhere else like in the country you know at the time in which case the case doesn't really play out as it does oh he would have figured it out a lot sooner but who cares so as of uh december 31st assistant district attorney in los angeles is 121k a year on average like okay that's that's a good pay for sure but like for enough no 75 thousand dollars laying around right not not it's not great pay for la like la class so much to live in and then and then yeah but more importantly no matter where you are no matter where you are you're not dumping 200 grand on a girlfriend that you hey presumably only has all right and also when we talk about because i'm pretty sure that the joke they had was that he had a cybertruck it's like now i don't know if those are like things you can buy like the tesla one that's probably not cheap either like where does he get all this money like please how does he just have all this money unless he just made some really good financial decisions he's like a really wise investor that's what we find out his redeeming quality is that he's really good at trading stocks in his spare time whatever spare time he has as a da apparently the cybertrucks only they start at 39 nine oh okay well so that's that's what i thought i thought it was going to be a 200 000 car like that's what i thought i know that you could buy those uh there's higher price coming on it though apparently well i mean we know that that guy is going to be swapping it out every year he's with all this money that he has to blow yeah yeah but no yeah i don't think they actually are available though i don't think they actually are out but uh that's the that's this that he knows where to go that's something though is with asking nick about the past episode so when she's offered the job he just uh like signs a verbal contract in a sense immediately with the only request being she has her own paralegal which the boss doesn't care about at all she signs a waiver about her death not being held responsible for the prison if it was to happen without reading any of the the print as well as a again lawyers tend to be much more um finicky about signing things than most people especially regarding everything just this isn't like a mobile phone tips and conditions this is literally like if you die we cannot be held responsible she's like okay this is like oh oh the fact that she agrees to the job without talking about her salary is yep what kind of work is going to be doing at the law firm because it would have multiple divisions like she doesn't know when you think about her job when she has leverage she has leverage of being she doesn't use it the guy approached you out of nowhere in a bar to offer you a job after you defeated him in court saying who's the best lawyering i've ever seen we could really use just specifically you and she's like sign me up for whatever it is i you know what i don't even oh god it's probably worth it you should give her 10 grand a year and tell her to shut up well i mean he immediately tells it if you don't work right if you don't be she i'll just fire you so it's like may as well just had it be in the scene that she's like i request this this this i want to be taken seriously i above one you just like no be she hulk if not you fire like the job off has gone i guess i figured it would be a funny and mean to have a like sort of haphazardly walking around the officers you know bewildered that's so retarded to that he wouldn't have told him beforehand so that she can actually come to work and facilitate that yeah ready to work rather than wearing clothes that are like several sizes too small exactly but not it's fun for the storyline crown crown target and chances they're setting this up to talk about later for the wage gap and and that may be true who knows if they're going to do the wage gap thing we'll find out that pug makes you know she makes 70 percent of what he does or something stupid but what is like my mother she's in charge white but the the best part about it is though is it will reinforce one of the most predominant arguments about the wage gap is that women are not good at negotiating for themselves that's right and she didn't that's what i mean she she every time she faces a contract she just fucking signs it it's insane and like you have all of the leverage she should have been more concerned with getting green than her employer was ah yeah i still do rags i i i even like i think i cracked a smile i'd have to look in a mirror and tell that was pretty yeah it's funnier than every she-hulk joke well right if it makes you feel worse i'm pretty sure they'd use the getting green jar for like she-hulk marketing have they i think the tagline was i think the tagline that they used was i go green so you get green or something oh god which i was saying like you could have just said i get green so you get green like i feel it's like a i don't even like that let's get green to get earth yeah i don't know well let's get green together might be see what i mean you workshop your ideas you don't just think of the first one and then go yeah that's good enough so this rip broker guy is like oh you want to buy my knockoff avengers merch i see which um yeah although you know looking at it that uh that towel with hulk in the that's pretty cool that's actually like dad hulk yes the mustache in that like that that man thongs that's that's kind of funny like i'll give it that you can do a tv show that's just hulk going on the road you know making movies making songs and fighting around the world with hulk going around the world getting into fights while also indulging in the local cultures with his little sunglasses so you got um this is like the knockoff names you got hulk and uh uh that's all very i don't see what they got for hulk i think it's hulk guy which is why doesn't he just sell them not make like the avengers selling official merchandise at the sq it's weird to me that he's like trying to sell knockoff stuff to avoid getting in trouble but ultimately like you're already doing this in like like black market style so i don't just have you know the name printed property you could probably actually sell a vongers merchandise yeah the way that he's done it this way just do it openly yeah yeah trademark is so specific like sometimes it's even the font and the the spelling but if you spell it differently like and there's no there's no reasonable person looks at an avongers hat and goes oh that's avengers that's the same thing like you would have to conclude that it's something else a parody or or a joke of some sort there's also avengers i see what captain america's been turned into but it's hard to see black widow i can't make that out either but yeah very amusing they've changed the names funny but of course this is not what they're looking for they're trying to find i love that we're gonna make i love that it's a chinese guy who's selling the knockoffs too like that they just they just walk right into the stereotype right wow it's uh they do that a decent amount in the show they they play into the very stereotypes they would probably find to be super offensive very strange with avoiding i suppose but you got um he uh he agrees to like give them a chance to go and visit the the other guy uh being the the big cheese who makes costumes and it's very um i don't know like like it's gonna be difficult for them to do it how are they gonna get in and uh why did they put it on i i said the exact same thing while watching it like why'd they wear it yeah because they asked them to put it on we asked them to buy it i don't think i was gonna put them on did he oh you just asked him to mind it's easier to carry though unless does he have like plastic bags he gives people to but i mean they have back it just makes them look stupid as fuck that's all in it like i guess i thought that was funny well you know it is plastic bags but they're branded does knee i hate that way instead of disney i get it uh so this is one one thing that i think i would have liked if it was in a show that i didn't find annoying as fuck that they stand there for a little bit and then she goes to press the button the intercom and as she gets close to it just says no so that was kind of what you guys think yeah it reminded me of hackers oh i remember that movie old as fuck yeah when they go to visit the two uh weird like the two hacker twins or whatever those the two asian guys and they had the they had the camera and everything yeah i wish i could remember i know those characters what are their names um ones from hackers yeah it's a rinji 90s like razor and blade wasn't it that's what chat's saying razor and blade yeah yeah he's like razor and blade those guys are tools or whatever i love that move that movie's great it's as good as she holka nothing's as good as she hold oh no now long the planet's in the chat there's so much longing in the chat uh so anyway yeah they're just like no i'm not going to meet with you guys you guys are nuts no no no no and then they say uh she says my client is an avenger one of the top tier ones and i was just like wouldn't wouldn't the next step be oh who which and then but no that doesn't happen that's that's amazing if true and the second question i have is who are the avengers right now because they got you see the shit it has iron man hulk for cap hawkeye and black widow that's not been the avengers since 2012 my dude i'm pretty sure the team doesn't even exist anymore like really no same that way well yeah because captain america is dead i'm as dead well he's gone like what is dead he's gone he's gone all right he's right he's dead he's gone okay but iron man is dead yes i'm black with us um black widow is dead and hulk is on this planet doing all guys not this team is literally not existed is hulk even on like adventuring superhero duty right now he's in space he's in space right now and i think hawkeye retired right so really the shirt should have dr strange captain marvel falcon uh carlet witch maybe i'm sure she will be i don't the latest movie she killed many many innocent people oh that's right i didn't i didn't watch that it was really good don't you lie to me i would think it would have been a good joke where for the for the bootleg avenger stuff they showed the justice league on the shirts that would have been funny yeah you could have done something better than what they did you could have done better um but yeah they got a 15 minute consultation out of saying that just the our client is an avenger trust me bro oh yep real careful what your word stranger yeah real careful system you got going here tonight did she change like i know she's wearing clothes over her clothes but did she change the clothes she was wearing and then put the clothes on over because that's a she always changed their clothes no i don't think so i think she was wearing that in the other place it looks like a sort of a bin bag type look right okay so we know okay yeah you're you're right so she was wearing that so we know that time has like a significant amount of time has elapsed since they had their discussion in the office though because that's where she was in the pink jacket so she changed she changes when she leaves every time she leaves come every time you come or go new outfit stem to stern whole new outfit new necklaces jewelry general expression hat maybe this is where we find out that jl k and h are very pissed off because this lawsuits happening when they wouldn't like it to happen because they use she held for a lot of stuff like ah this is what we were talking about before where it's like why the fuck didn't you guys look into this yeah should have trademarked a hilarious joke though it's so funny because oh yeah this leads to uh he's like you're not gonna handle this which is like the first time the show accepts that she's a terrible lawyer but it's from a character that they all think is horrible and wrong so oh well uh but they give it to miss book who we saw for like two seconds in one episode before she's finally becoming a main character now I think yeah Mallory and she's like we're not colleagues we're you know I'm you're my client I'm your lawyer and I was just kind of like I think I get the spirit of what she's saying but it's just funny because like literally like colleagues we're going the same team we've never seen you speak to each other so no yeah I had to remember who this character was like have we met before yeah we briefly did right when we saw her yeah when she was he was the A I told da guy yeah all right so uh yeah the she hooks opening like the thing about this is did Dr. Strange have to do this did Thor like whoo like whoops but she's Dr. Strange is his what's his actual name his name is Stephen Strange he is Dr. Stephen Strange and so as Mallory points out these are their names and Thor's name is Thor which is that's really funny after love and thunder though Thor's name is Thor like no it's not it's a mantle what are you talking about yeah you fucked it up you told us something else you didn't well we know they didn't watch our own stuff because Wong's like yeah we'll go by the book of the destroyed book that we destroyed that doesn't even govern like it's just a magic book that doesn't even exist anymore because don't watch our own stuff but remember it he referenced it in some way regardless of context that's what an MCU is that's what a connection is you knew that from the Fringy you have to watch all the movies to understand these references and that was right and that's where they're at now we if you go book of a shanty and then your friend goes oh that oh it's from a different movie uh we can watch that later if you want and we can get a little context you're all sweet and then you watch it and you're more confused than you're like what the fuck why did you do this are you gonna say this why yeah why would you do this to me i thought we were friends but um i wanted to watch hackers this this this lady attorney her her demeanor like i mean it starts with genwalder and maybe you're like okay well her demeanor is this way because she's like a colleague but also competitive but her her like cold bitch demeanor throughout this and the next client like she is awful like i thought that they were trying to sell us that she hates she hulk yeah i don't think it's that way because at one point she says like i i never would have known a lawyer to humiliate themselves as much as you and i was like oh shit she must really hate how like unprofessional she is maybe but like no i yeah but but then it turns out they just make her into another stereotype that a high powered woman has to be like cold and monstrous and like overly assertive to the point of bitchiness where no one would want to talk to her why would you want this woman representing you at all if she treats you this way hey consider in the deal she gets for her client she's one of the most incredible lawyers that have existed true i would love her to represent me considering what the mr. mortal had done and what the result is this must be the greatest lawyer that have existed she's the one lawyer that gets you more time on on the uh the Thor Doctor Strange stuff right the fact that she's asking that means that she didn't know Doctor Strange's name and she's a lawyer that specializes in superhero cases and he's like the most possibly the most popular and powerful person on planet earth right now that's for sure really weird that she doesn't know anything about her he's gotta be up there and she's literally hanging out with his main colleague wong like she never looked into this she never read up about any of it and her cousin the team he's a part of that saves the world you didn't think maybe you should look into it this is i think we pitched this in a different episode we was like wouldn't it be cool if that was her role behind the scenes up to this point and had been mentioned that he has like a cousin who helps him out with legal issues or at least keeps an eye on him because she thinks what he does is incredible and ethical and that she's trying to look out for him for the legal side of things but no instead we get episode one where she chews him out for not of suffering as much as she does and there's um there's the other there's the other part of this whole like uh thing where she's clearly aware of captain america being steve rogers and having a different name she could have said instead of Doctor Strange and Thor i mean i know it wouldn't be the funny joke that they did but the the point she was trying to make was like a man thing i guess did did captain america have to do this did hawkeye did iron man like because that those are monikers that are not their names they have the these characters available when when she says like you chose two people who actually have that it's like that conversation is not over her making the bad examples you should then go into good examples and then have the counter argument right instead they just move on there's like oh well yeah we did a whole bunch of them exactly yeah uh but then you you wonder how this happens because it i don't know if you know about this nick but like the the conversation surrounding Thor Love and Thunder is that you shouldn't be mad that mighty Thor is called that because Thor is a mantle and and and like the director has come out in favor of that lots of people are talking about it she helped just shout on it right here and it's like they do they know are they did anyone talk to each other oh yeah because because Thor can be anybody right like that's the whole yeah which they definitely is saying like no well not Jennifer the show was saying no that his name is Thor what are you talking about it's like oh yeah you didn't watch the other stories or you didn't talk to each other yeah because if they did she she would have said uh Thor is a mantle Jen didn't you know that anyone can take up well i guess no i guess then again does anybody know about that where are we timeline wise that's actually a great question did uh i'm hasn't happened yet oh springy oh oh timeline oh a ridiculous question about us immunity you think about Natalie Portman's character she became mighty Thor and then what like a handful of hours later died so yes maybe nobody knows again maybe the people spread far and wide well the tale of Thor converting an army of children into Thor is probably gonna spread far and wide maybe i don't know as long as they don't call themselves Thor and mark no they're allowed to because they would be in front they might be well yeah i'm so happy i have not watched that movie it sounds it's terrible it's pretty terrible awful it's the first one that no one defended well except like yeah one or two one one or one or two a few people did that they yeah but i couldn't tell you actually yeah i couldn't tell you um so yeah another thing is that should she not know the answers to her own questions these are like basic trademark questions aren't they yeah well she was remembered she was prepared to take this on she's like i'll do it and then he's like no you won't you're an idiot i'm gonna sign you a different woman and then it's proven that she's an idiot regarding this topic i don't get it yeah they don't know what they're doing i guess not he is a lawyer a lawyer law no it it actually it in in law it it would be very common though for a criminal defense attorney or a criminal prosecutor to not really know anything about trademark law i still i actually think that's really fair but as you just pointed out she was suggesting she take this case herself right like that you're a division do you know every law ever and you're like an expert in every single law i do but you know she doesn't rickita takes even less notes than she hulk does because his mind is like one page you need one posted note you just posted on your hand there just got your notes that's all you need he just he's in court and then he looks at his hand heaviest corpus your honor that will be right actually my note for this whole scene is just again sucks at lawyer being the way to put it okay i gotta speak their language oh man lawyer being a creature of law um so yeah you got uh we got to establish the name was being used professionally beforehand the titania is trying to benefit from the name recognition already established in the marketplace but it's like yeah that's kind of correct at least and then they go just away from that entirely because this is this was the one episode by the way the one i watched i was like this one feels like it got the closest to being accurate to the law and that's still 10 billion miles away from being accurate um yeah because it's not just like using the name professionally isn't it it's in trade specifically in commerce that's that's where you have to have the use of the of the trademark like just identifying yourself as she hulk professionally means nothing like oh you show up to work and you're called she hulk what product are you selling how is a customer going to be confused by this uh so and and sorry go ahead well i actually came to um i don't like anyone in the show but i came close you're actually liking this book more than anyone else just because of the fact that she she looked at it and was like you dress you look like a fucking idiot with the the oversize suit and she's like oh you know oh like the wrongly size but and then she looks over at uh the paralegal it says you obviously spend a lot of time thinking about what you're gonna wear like why don't you help her out and i was just like oof you could interpret that as just being like you're you're you're literally like so vapid that you're you're only concentrated on the like what you know what you're doing what you're wearing you like yeah i'm gonna pass this job to you because it's clearly suitable for your skills that's the impression i got of it i was like i like this lady a little bit like just for the fact that she's ripping into other characters that's all oh yeah anyone who insults the characters is my friend yes but we might be assuming the insult though because i think we might be yes i don't think i don't like you know it's a compliment when i think when you look at how miss book dresses she's she's carry washington from scandal right like that's who she's emulating here she's always in like a sleek high priced high fashion dress i mean look at this thing that dress costs a shitload of money that she's wearing right now um she's she always looks very good and is well put together i think it comes across as an insult because they've set her demeanor up to be so damn abrasive yeah no that's why i took it as an insult because i thought she hated these people yeah yeah but i think she was actually complimenting her which is funny it's like ah you fumbled at the five yard line uh which takes us to the beginning of the court case i guess or in court uh god i think that like the the evidence they provide is just that she was using she hulk for a while and then the uh defense are like well he is on record saying she will never go by the name she hulk uh which i feel like isn't addressing the more important part of which she using it a trade as you as you pointed out as well right completely pointless whether she goes by she hulk or not it only matters and so when i when i mentioned the customer confusion thing there's there's a little bit of a mix up here and this is where the writers clearly don't know the law that for the trademark the the customer confusion has to be a confusion of brand not a confusion of representation of a brand so um you have to be like using michelin and people are thinking oh i'm buying from the michelin tire company that's what i'm doing not that she hulk represents something so like she hulk doesn't sell anything so there's no possible misconception now the endorsement confusion is again that's that right of publicity that that we talked about earlier that's a different thing and it does it does still like that's what they're getting to she's trying to capitalize on the she hulk name as representing her brand but that's not a trademark issue at all and that's what's so frustrating about this i guess an equivalent would be like if you released a bunch of controllers that fit perfectly and assigned well and worked with xbox and you called them cross box but the icon was just exactly the same and then you're like you you keep cross box as a title kind of away from the general marketing and you know like i think there's isn't there a bunch of like third party knockoff controllers that try to come across as though they are um the official ones to hopefully rank a couple more sales into it sort of like that so yeah i always wondered if they skirt a line on that sort of thing or if maybe they have some level of an agreement i don't know but they either you know they they might have to like like nowadays with the way drivers and everything work on these systems they might have to get like pay a license fee for the i don't know the proper term but like an api basically to make the controller work with the system in a really easy way um that might be because i know if you like if you're like making a video game for playstation you have to pay sony a licensing fee to even get the ability to implement your code into the into the playstation os so i i think they probably are paying a licensing fee now because you see those yeah a lot of those controllers out there but but i don't know the the trick is is it sufficiently close enough that you think you're buying from microsoft yeah mostly right and and so the but the difference here would be is if i made if i made a tom brady controller that's not a trademark issue like if i if i'd make a tom brady controller and shape like a football and it has all the xbox buttons like no one thinks i'm buying from tom brady who doesn't sell controllers like or anything he's just a guy right but i am possibly doing a different guy right according to his wife he is he's a god i have a good authority but uh but no i'm doing a different thing where i'm trying to make you think that tom brady is endorsing my controller product that's the separate issue and that's what they're they seem to be like waffling back and forth between these two issues and they're they're completely different um so this is a clip they have from the from the news where she's like whether i like it or not i am forever she hulk and i was like oh they're doing their their season thing where she's getting used to the fact that she is she hulk whether she likes it or not but in court this is supposed to be proof that she's going by it so there you go and then the judge is like i'm inclined to agree with titania unless you can provide me a more often and casual use of the name in like everyday life and i was just thinking to myself like so miss book should have known that right that that was proof they needed because her response to that is oh don't worry we'll have more to present later i was like you should have known it if it were true but it's completely false like it's good yeah that's what i'm saying within the framework that this is something that happens she should have known that because it's so weird for the lawyer to be like oh yes i will have evidence that you need i haven't gotten it yet it's like what yeah again the the standard for trademark is who is the first person using the product name in trade in commerce yeah was if jen walters had sold like five t-shirts that said she hulk on them her case is a million times better than whatever they have presented here like that that would do it if she spray painted she hulk on the side of her car and delivered pizzas it would be better or if again if she had if they had named the division uh the she hulk law division but she wouldn't be the party right she still wouldn't own the name or the trademark in the law firm would and she wouldn't even be in the courtroom unless she was representing the firm yeah it just doesn't function at all it's um it's totally wrong and it's the closest they get to having the law be accurate this is so far away it is but yeah it's a great law show yeah that's what i tuned in for they renamed it attorney at law why why what's the point yeah but i don't understand for you plenty of the characters in universe tell me she's great because when yes like when when she looks at the camera and compliments the writing but yeah which episode was that was it three or four their writers are complimenting themselves and the way that they connect is not meaningfully it's just pug sits down and says man my case it's just being tough it's like ah see look at how great we are connect our stories look at that wait they did that yeah what happened was um yeah pug sits down he's like oh man this asshole da case is nuts and jennifer walters leans in and says connecting the a and b story nice yeah she looks at the camera and i mean it was cringe like what in the you're writing compliments of your own writing into the story and the best part is what you're complimenting is not impressive at all and karak just sat down it's and just said yeah my b plot's going pretty badly and it has a connection to be this is like kylo ren forgiving himself this is the writers writing a character that is out of universe congratulating themselves yeah at least that's a character flaw versus the writers being so far out there we're using it's a character flaw but we're using character in a different sense the writers character for a real world character for versus an universe character first uh yeah it is pretty crazy how many of the fourth wall breaks have just been affirming which is funny because you're it's inevitably going to get compared to dead pool like too bad um a lot of dead pool ones are self-deprecating they're making fun of himself or even like the fact that he's getting his own movie i don't know when the fourth wall breaks are constantly shitting on yourself and then the other four will be affirming yourself yeah there is one that i do prefer yes the equivalent you could have expected is that he talks about the b plot and then dead pool leans in looks the camera and goes like i do not care about the b plot well yeah and even he just like he grabs the camera and walks away to just talk about his own thing yeah i mean this is boring yeah there's never been any like it's only ever been used as like a means of basically narrating but it's never been consistent or in a way that's because yep shows up when they remember they can do it almost yeah like in dead pool it is it is a framing device that is used throughout the whole story it's narrated from beginning to end it's used to connect the past story to like the current story that's running like in the present day whereas here it's just oh yeah right we fourth wall break because that's what she hope does it's like they just remember that that's something that they're supposed to be doing and so infrequently used which is that in the dead pool game you can shoot yourself in the head during cutscenes because of boring exposition that sounds hilarious well yeah the dead pool game had a there was i remember there was one in the game when like dead pool just ends up in this weird glitchy zone and then like he calls the producer of the game and the producer's like yeah you wasted the budget we're out of money like so yeah the game's shit now it doesn't work anymore that sounds like fun was that game well received or um i like it it's it's uh it was made by high moon before they got guarded like all the other activision studios i think they made the transformers games everybody likes it's fun it's mechanically it's not like super in depth um but yeah it's it's a fun dead pool game with a lot of fun like jokes and references it's uh yeah that that one i mean that was leveraging like fourth wall breaks in a video game which um gives you a lot of other options right uh yeah there was one where it was um i think it was i think cable i think it was oh damn it was cable was talking to dead pool and explaining like the situation that they had to deal with and he would just keep going and dead pool was just there so shoulders slumped crying and then yeah i think you press the button if you press the a button you just kill himself to get out of the cutscene it's like yeah it's um it's there's a lot that you can do with fourth wall breaks that are fun and this show has just used it as like basically self-aware that's it you're aware that you're a show and you're aware of like the meta but then there's all of these weirdly like insecure i think that's the impression i get with the self affirming it was that one with the cameos like oh this show has cameos but remember it's my show it's like any man who has to say that he is the king is no true king sort of springs to mind when you have to remind people that this is your show because you are genuinely worried that you get that they're at the point of believing that having characters share what they're up to in an episode is like with praise like whoa yeah because like and um yeah exactly like it's just oh hey we got wong that's gonna that's gonna be cool for us it definitely feels like a lot of these fourth wall breaks were prime for twitter because i remember the one that i saw a lot on twitter um before i'd gotten around to watching the episode was like oh it's a self-contained wedding episode and if you think the timing is inconvenient yeah that's how weddings are it's like ha ha you thought you were gonna see daredevil fucking idiot it's like what it really does seem like a what you relish in like annoying your audience what's that about like right well i think a lot of people will like ah look at that 40 chest they set him up and knocked him down it's like yeah you did you set people up to expect to see a character and then you said he wasn't showing up like yes people aren't gonna respond very well to that now it's not a problem strictly from like a writing standpoint you can do whatever you want i guess um it's just weird the like that this sort of this weird open contempt for like a certain portion of people are gonna be watching your show and you know it you put in the trailer you put him in the trailer for your show it's like the big sticker yeah people are watching because they want to see characters that they already like yeah you'll you're benefiting from that you don't get to shit on those people when you are directly benefiting from hooking them in with the promise of showing them characters they like you get to shit on them because they now are starting to wonder where those characters are you don't get to have it both ways that rick and morty attitude that they eventually developed they're like uh yeah you care about our characters and you're like you told me exactly yeah it uh no it's it's it's fantastic because i know what the idea is everybody hates when this actually happens to them let's do it willingly now for no reason at all because the wedding episode which we'll get to is absolutely useless yeah and they even it's a self-contained wedding episode it is irrelevant to the plot i guess except maybe for this josh guy who might show up later or something but it's it's it's pointless it's proudly pointless probably pointless yeah and i guess somebody would probably say well yeah but they're going for like a little half hour comedy thing and sometimes you have self-contained episodes that go nowhere it's like to acknowledge that it's worthless though that's just interesting there's an interesting strategy you have of like knowing that you were at something that's pointless other than maybe advancing like one plot thread you you're wasting so much time and you don't even have that much time to waste no speaking of wasting time yeah we get she held into basically edna mode's place yeah and so this this whole thing was just fucking odd every line is fucking odd he's like whoa what the fuck and then she's like this is she hulk and he was never heard of you and i'm like really dude never heard of her now you might be thinking didn't you argue that some of the date people wouldn't have been it's like okay so this person is apparently a superhero costume maker but he's going to be pretty into the whole which by the way is quite a significant thing to do but fuck it the world building is fucked anyway so but like you know how does this guy mix in with the avengers do they know him do they get their costumes from him does he how how much business is he getting and who is he you know supplying these costumes for he says at one point do you need bulletproof waterproof like uh munitions do you need built-in weaponry and it's like is what you're doing legal i was under the impression that do those things yeah i thought shield provided all of the uniforms for the avengers like shields done but so are the avengers as i was actually gonna say it's not even worth saying shields everything's done they haven't told us what the state of affairs are anywhere and that's the thing none of these shows are allowed to they've all been told nothing is in concrete you just have to just and so i think this is the same thing as amazon saying they haven't fucked with the source material for for tolkin it's the same thing where you just go like don't fuck with anything in the world they go okay but we will establish some guy who makes superhero suits for everybody it's like well now the question is for who yeah that does fuck with everything exactly because who's he made these four well we'd like to find out he's made him for daredevil which um which is a huge deal uh but oh well i'm sure we'll get a lot of explanation on that uh gary what do you find out this was the replacement for um the guy who's making the suits in the daredevil show well because he got arrested and they don't know what they're doing in terms of like the continuity of that show so yeah we replaced him because he was uh he had stilt man's uh stuff in the back in season one it was we're gonna see it was a lot more care with that this was just yes fashion designer stereotype man but also he's like i said i couldn't stop thinking about edna mode it just felt like yeah he's like the worst version of her um she's like really into the job and stuff like that and well he's into the job too i suppose but like sort of but in a he's been a luke genius who is so i mean this is this is how all businesses actually run when you have enough money or something even though no one could afford the prices of being this exclusive and only working on passion projects paying how does it work is this a fish it seems to be black market stuff like the you you can only find it by going through other agents who are you have to access with codes and knowledge and it's just like so are you officially making costumes for superheroes that are run with the government or like why am i even asking what's the point none of it makes any sense anyway they're not gonna they don't know the writers don't know who are you gonna ask who are you gonna ask the only this part as well was like the fact that he would even turn her down it's like you're joking right you're of course you're gonna build something for her she's she-hulk like what you're gonna make something for her well so i'm wondering what his motivation is is it money or is it to help people save lives or is it both i don't know edna in terms of oh this is a cool challenge like i look forward to the challenge of building this they forgot to characterize that part but what what he has as a setup is infinitely expensive the only person who could afford this setup is the one person who made his own damn costumes tony stark like right wait did tony stark privately fund this is a venture capital investment we're gonna find out later that like that's the way any of these superheroes can come and this guy will just work on their their thing based on his own vision with no need for compensation because he's been unlimitedly compensated at some point but or is it going to be another and i know it's not going to be either of these plots because either of them would kind of make sense but the other one would be that he actually freelances and and deals with superheroes and super villains and a lot of the money he gets comes from the other side he's just a complete mercenary slash visionary for the fashion that'd be kind of cool it would be i don't think they're gonna do it though because it would be kind of cool if it's kind of cool they go to do it's like oh okay uh yeah because he's got a shit ton of employees and maybe you could argue it's like well he has an actual normal sort of public fashion line that's incredibly successful and then he got into the superhero costume making business to sort of run underneath it and it's just like this is a whole ass industry we know nothing about it it's just dropped it's just for the memes really to get her an outfit and uh yeah as you so what you're pointing out for me is like if if he's characterized in such a way that he absolutely would like to the challenge would be interesting and stuff but then all that clues him on to actually wanting to do it is the fact that he needs to build a suit that can match both body types and he's like oh because that seems to be something he's interested in but it's like again how do you not know this yeah and oh it's just I guess let's think about it this way what should be innately more interesting to him building a suit for a regular guy like Matt or building like some crazy suit that's gonna try and like conform basically to the body like two different very different body types the only thing about it is she is explicit that she intends to not do any combat at all and so again why don't know because that's what he asks about and it's like are they trying to tell me that that's something he's invested in that he wants to give suits and power to people who he believes are gonna fight crime and stuff or does he not give a shit I don't know I well he doesn't care right because he takes this on and he just builds her a super suit anyway so yeah I guess yeah where's my super suit sorry kind of okay incredible everyone should watch that instead I assume that um dare devil he I guess he met up and did all of this stuff while he was in costume so his identity wouldn't be compromised this is in LA so like I guess that'll be the first question is what is he doing in LA and if he's in LA did he know this guy when he got here did he stop doing superhero stuff to like wait for the new suit or has he been out doing shit I guess we're gonna find out based on the looks of that preview in episode eight is when we're gonna finally see him I guess we're gonna have to man I'm so worried so he didn't care that they lied to him by the way I just remember oh yeah because she's not an Avenger and he knows that yeah well you know the rules of the game once you offer once you give the 15 minute consultation you have to do it at that point we couldn't just burn them away at the door that'd be a huge trade in order for him to yeah he opened the door it's a done deal the door to his secret like Louis Vuitton decorated design room I guess these sets are not connected no okay no this this is in the back uh remember like this thing is in the back room of a coffee shop and he's got these giant windows as if he's on like the penthouse of a building I have no clue if this is supposed to be connected to that or not I have no clue real fake windows real fake windows I like I said they could have gone to a different building for all we know they there's no logistics here what is the armor there have a dad gut oh yeah it's got a little little dad pouch on the front red guardian so he could lose in style wow it has a six pack above a one pack that's weird someone made that someone did make that what was told to make for a new stunning and brave pregnant man to wear but only when he's like look how high the nipples are that's the worst designer ever like what what do you mean it's supposed to be it's new it's said style it's gonna look great on whoever this is the nipples are in the middle of the packs that is so strange I don't know my god you're right it drains they look like sonic eyeballs I don't know what they do it it doesn't look as good as Joel Schumacher's batman okay what I'll say he knew where to put those no is that the he knew exactly the first one was yeah the second one was George Clooney so uh I know the guy who now has the batman costume I just I was just at his house the other day and he has it on display it's really cool the one for Val Kilmer or the one for the Val Kilmer one and the uh we want the George Clooney nipoli one no the Val Kilmer one has nipples too hey there you go yay dude that's it people used to fucking hate him for that alone they were like you put nipples on the bat so you ruined everything and it's just like yeah I bet you wish you had him back now yep a bit of what we're getting now so uh I actually quite like something that happens in this scene they realize that uh as part of the witnesses they're bringing back the the dates oh wait I don't even think they've done that yet this guy is just a client for this thing but he's one of the people she dated and she's like oh fuck there he is and again like we mentioned before she says oh no it's the creepy disgusting monstrous guy I went on a date with which I think is absurd but fine whatever Jen Walters she says your frame of reference is let's call it a skew um and so he walks up to her and she's really nice to him and he says we should reconnect sometime and she says yep we should and I was about to I'm pretty sure it was while we were watching it uh I was like that's just she's so full of shit and then her friend says wow you rolled over so quickly and I was just like hey the show is shitting on it for being spineless as fuck that's nice she was but is there okay god don't get my hopes up is there some potential interesting backstory here this is a guy asking about cutting her skin with vibranium right yeah he's a specimen okay he said oh he's probably evil he probably he's gonna be a part of the blood sample he's gotta be he's the one of the big he's the biggest client to the firm superhero division right like so this guy so that makes his contact has his uh or his comments actually makes sense and he's not gross like he's he's he's a professional curiosity yeah he's going to capture daredevil and she has to save daredevil oh I know it's just dammit I just figured it out and I hate it even more ah the vampire is going to drink her blood he's the he's the guy at the end of the sixth episode like it's that's the guy who makes the surrender yeah I was saying he's probably connected to the blood sample people yeah yeah he's in charge of intelligent well I guess we're jumping the gun in charge of it in the comics is the leader right now we know that he's going to be in the new captain american movie so yeah and so he's he's gonna have a vibranium syringe that he made that's that he was laying in the case at the end of the last episode yeah that's why he he was hoping to just get that little bit of information confirmed because those scenes those scenes seem really out of place by the way in this show they did indeed it's because they probably had commissioned like an actual plot line and then they were like fill the rest up with stuff and then one of the writers was like what about a wedding episode they're like yoyo and then put that syringe thing at the end of it I guess fuck it remind people that there's still this brought up because you can't escape the MCU and like broader stories that they're telling you'll never leave well no you can't escape will CGI your corpse it is totally out of place you got like your little fun lawyer show so you say and then you've got this like oh this is quite dramatic this side of the needles and laboratories and evil scientists yeah it was weird what is she gonna do with her tampons uh like like men straight live like uh put them in that put them in that device that vaporizes blood whatever no she doesn't have that she'll have to go make make visits every year and she is fertile 24 seven god they could have made this a real good tragedy where she tries to start a family and she gets pregnant but like the time traveler's wife or was it time traveler's wife or like yeah the babies keep dying constantly because they all get the gamma radiation it's a one in a million shot it's like this really depressing story about loss and miscarriage like that should be the she-hunk story they're never ever ever they're doing fun things Nick fun things yeah dead babies aren't fun no they're a little fun but they're not that fun put me in marvel i'll make us sad make a sad dramatic story about reality and loss and struggle the dead hulk babies yay you know why that happened by the way that that that chance encounter because i just remember this is this is someone i thought was fucking dumb as fuck that chance encounter reminds her oh shit i used the she-hulk name when i was dating people that can be used as evidence of me using it publicly as part of my identity yeah that's a thing i did don't you remember this how hilarious is it that they walked into yet another stereotype that a woman is not defined by herself but she's defining herself by the men that she has dated like her own self-identity is wrapped up in these men that she's dating like or that she kind of failed to date i guess or whatever but like that's how she is defined by the men in her life that's fucking funny to me uh maybe they did that on purpose i don't know but i'm still laughing about it there's a line in the next episode i wouldn't mind uh highlight when we get there in terms of like some of the makes me think about the fucking weird-ass perspective on all of this stuff um the writers i mean the writers aren't exactly um telling themselves well with this show uh stuff that they have happened you're like oh that's what you think about that okay um so anyway she remembers that and then the like the case is being made again now but with the context of all that and the lawyer says uh she didn't use her name to sell a product to exploit like they're accusing obviously titania of doing that and i was like i'm the she uses she-hulk to sell jan walters yeah you were exploiting people you were being dishonest that's something that they established happened that's also the literal requirement for trademark and that wording alone should have been grounds for dismissal of the case because if she didn't use the name to exploit to sell a product then she never used it in trade yep and she has no claim i hate it i hate it i don't know man that seems it's just like look it's just that things work differently in this world okay and and that's great it's cute it's fun it's very cute it is it's so fun why did they i'm just looking at this shot you can't integrate her into this the scene you just can't like i know that she's not there yeah why did you do this you didn't have the money you just didn't have the money all the time to do it um so yeah then they they they roll up all the guys she dated to have like a statement each um what one of them says she-hulk and i had an intense connection she battled demons uh which is the the the handsome doctor man i think um and i thought it was really funny that he says that in court under oath and nobody cares he battled demons i just feel like even the cross would be like i'm sorry did you just say demon like are we really accepting like drug addiction or something he's clearly lying like you battled medical demons together and you connected over that or like what and the judge is like no no i'll accept that he's referring obviously to um multi-dimensional creatures otherworldly extra-dimensional yeah creatures of ill-repute shall we say it's all acceptable and totally fine borns goat ears uh pitchforks potentially a you know preponderance of making deals and so he says the thing he says i wouldn't date jen she's not my type but she-hulk is incredible like ooh so that's just confirmation then that by hiding the fact that she's jen she managed to date someone that would otherwise not have been interested or wouldn't have given consent which is uh a thing that this show definitely doesn't want to get into and just reminds me of wonder woman where the writer had no idea do you know about that uh nick what happened with wonder woman no no i didn't i didn't watch that looked so bad so what happens is in that in that show is that all you need to know about film sorry is that wonder woman's boyfriend that she loved very very much dies in uh in will war it's will war one right correct and of course she's like immortal whatever so she's up in the is it another 90s 80s the 80s yeah it's called 1984 sorry i'm uh i've had a bit to drink i'm i'm now losing my coherency but i'm still gonna be able to do this so uh yeah this this thing gets added into the story where it's like a little wish device but it's uh was it fair to call it a monkey's poor type situation it was a monkey's poor yeah it was a monkey yeah kind of like the way it would work is you you hold it yeah you ask it for a wish you get one right one per person yeah i think so so you do that and then uh it'll give you what you want obviously but there's a drawback and so she wishes for her hubby to come back to life now he does only and this isn't actually the fucking monkey's poor effect you guys remember this the monkey's poor effect is it was drawing a power from him we were confused yes that film is fucking bad but he comes back he's in the he's taken control of the body of another man just some average man he's referred to as handsome man he took control of that body that guy is on let's refer to it i suppose a sleep mode or we don't actually know if he's actually active uh we assume oh god so yeah now pretty haunting no no idea why they did this you could have had him phase into existence you know and be like oh there he is but no i think they thought they had to justify how he would be here and so they transplant his consciousness into the body of another man at random seemingly bless him that's weird she uh she beats up with it but when she finds out that that's who he is uh she she gives him a little kiss and already i think fringy you were like you had you got your no paper out and you started hitting them you like stop that don't be doing that that body is not yours to use that way that's fucked up uh and then and then they fuck um the internet was not happy with this this was uh this was a really awkward choice uh patty jenkins the director she quote tweeted someone tweeting out that it's okay because it's commentary on films like big where you have these freaky friday situations and sometimes this stuff happens and it's it's not it's not it's i don't even remember the reality is that they they just they didn't realize what they've done that's that's the reality the monkey the monkey paw on that is that nothing happens no no the monkey and no there's no this is what it should be right right nothing happens and then wonder woman goes to investigate and she exumes the grave of her husband and when they open the casket it has been shredded on the inside because he was brought back to life but he was still buried way to do it yeah and he dies story and so she has to deal with the fact that she not only brought him back but she put him through this intensely horrifying experience where he died miserable and alone again only for her fault that would be that's that's either god that would be crazy and intense to have resurrected what you consider like a friend and you fail to recognize part of the magic might just bring them back in their coffin that would be an intense storyline yeah that would be but instead they went with what they didn't and it's just baffling it's really really baffling yes nobody said nobody picked up nobody know the main reason i wanted to bring this up is the patty jagas herself knows she fucked up big time and she was trying to find tweets that defend it like a working director and he comes back alive and oh wait wait what died i guess my internet died there okay oh i was talking about the monkey's paw oh hi you were you were but okay uh yeah you go ahead rags the internet's come back for you go for it where i i said it was like the monkey's paw and did i they were where did it cut off i suppose i've got nothing oh we talked about the monkey's paw thing significantly afterwards it was a great topic starter oh okay well then i guess uh my input isn't needed it's all covered all taken care of it's always supposed yeah holy shit the chat just pointed out what's wrong with his arm look at that shoulder that's the chair isn't it oh that's yeah oh yeah that's the chair that's funny it looks like his arm is detached if you see it that part of it's oh my god it's like a mannequin someone took an axe right to his shoulder this is my beaten arm i see what you mean when you look at it and you imagine that chair is being part of it it's like what happened buddy what happens you're on he's got big arms so it kind of made sense for his eyes like was there some horrific CGI fail that happened here what if yeah if ever you see something weird it's like you guys fucked up on cg again didn't you they're like hey we're trying to start blaming it for all the writing problems too he's out of the CGI guys they just get all the blame for everything wrong on the show but you know okay so here's here's why i give it credibility also when i saw this guy in episode three or four what no four i guess that he was in uh originally i was i was like his his body looks almost fake like something about the shirt he's wearing it looks like a little bit too big for his head he looks a little too thick and i wondered if they had like beefed him up like i legitimately was curious if they had bulked this guy up beyond because he he doesn't look quite right to me a lot of people in chat were saying is is the sort of jacket they padded and stuff it's like it does kind of look like it yeah but the chair does come out the side there like that's also the chair is the background part i'm ignoring that yeah i'm just like we we can see his chest sort of and then like the shit's already coming above that quite a bit and then the like this i don't know yeah maybe maybe um because it would make i think i just saw what you're saying like right trying to make him look a lot more um idealistic for the kind of guy that girls want to date or whatever maybe they bulked him up a bit more to be like hey look he's perfect and out of 10 11 out of 10 you might even it's weird you think you'd be able to find buff guys in california that you could use for your movie show well he just he ticked all the other boxes right all right but that one was a good enough tick anyway put a big suit on him that would be funny if they generated the perfect man but like didn't realize the irony that they couldn't find him so they had to cg cg the perfect man it just goes to show the perfect guy isn't out there we looked all over we looked everywhere we went to every and yeah so the court with with their proof their evidence whatever they say the court is in favor jan and titania will have to cease use of she hulk as a name and recall all products which man would never happen what a blow to her uh products to yeah you invested a lot into this already the recalling all the products would not happen like what what part of this would be like oh you have to recall the products that you sent out they're not a danger to the public they were just sold with a false pretense presumably like we're calling them would be insane most people are just most people won't give them back right look like fuck it i don't care if it's gonna if they find it like we're recalling them why because you would they they have a name that legally should not allow to use like i don't care you were deceived in fact you were deceived you not only wouldn't give them back you'd be probably wise not to because they become collectors out there they become valuable they're a thing that's illegal now is she supposed to just be totty westbrook but with like super strength is that is that the idea behind her character i don't know is totty westbrook uh she was like she's like a beauty tuber that then like evolved into selling makeup and you know beauty products of her own she was she was uh i only know about her because she sued um a youtube a drama youtuber who talked about you know like talked about her all the time but yeah never mind like i was just thinking like titania lawsuit totty like those aren't too far apart i don't know one of the things that i thought was interesting as she leaves is that um scary toxic masculinity man the one who is like i love being strong where's my food like that that was the date they had and uh and he was like she held strong she was kind of she was kind of full of herself in terms of how strong to what he's like he's like a joke of a person you know like they don't know how to write people they just make up these like crazy people but he's like hey titania we should we should hang out that she goes fine you can buy me things guys and it's like fuck me they don't know how to do anything like it's really funny though it's so funny it's so hilarious it makes it all worth it it's like uh maybe it is the best thing they can do though because by comparison jen looks like she's more intelligent you know it's like okay in a world full of like in idiocracy the the most average intelligent man can come across as like a genius right because you know they cut right back to jan being like see look at her they're lawyer jan dominating winning the case and being like uh those two those crazy fools um and yeah so this is where um um mallory is like by the way you can do better you deserve better which is really interesting considering the nature of the relationship she had with the the guy who gave the best testimony in the one that she lied to essentially by omission you know right the which is and also that guy being like just essentially really good and very politely saying it's just not you know this part how could you've done any better you're lucky that he's not going further in a different direction let's put it that way and he did help you out immensely he did yeah he wanted the case with how this was presented essentially yeah the other thing is how was this at all humiliating like the they made a big point on how she was willing to like humiliate herself in front of the court to do this her level of humiliation was literally she brought she brought four guys into court to testify that they all you know went on a date with she hulk and they none of them said anything bad about her at all like it might have been the element of what was on her dating profile or just the fact that you're with with like her dating life is the subject of this case which is awkward i guess um but i mean like i think most people would be happy like okay we're gonna take your last four x's and put them on the witness stand and all they do is get up and say yeah you know what we went on a date and uh she was nice but you know didn't really work out like oh my god that's what i mean wow if you work out these four random guys what a loser he couldn't have been better on the it is treated as though he's an asshole i don't understand why do you write it this way he's so stupid um and then we get a absolute banger of a line when they go to the the bar they got their drinks they she says uh a thing i was mentioning which was like i don't know any lawyer who'd humiliate herself like that and then she's like yeah well it's why hollaway gives me the medium bucks and then her response to that is hollaway would never have to prove his value to a parade of underwhelming men yeah because he's not gay that would be one reason but i was just like underwhelming men what the fuck are you doing what was wrong with that guy nice guys they all seem fine there's definitely a woman out there for each of those guys 11 out of 10s and like consider to mid at best okay fine you guys are just so fucking awesome you deserve 20 out of 10s it's it's true you guys are so great the other reason you ever possibly live up to the worth that you demand it is true you're doomed to die alone and the other reason that hollaway would never have to parade himself or you know these disappointing men is because hollaway clearly thought that she hulk should have taken care of the damn trademark issue from jump and anyone who was thinking about this he's like i can't believe you didn't take care of this already so hollaway wouldn't have this issue in the first place so you're saying they are correct he wouldn't have to deal with this because he's not brain dead excellent he's competent he runs he runs the largest evil law firm on the planet he doesn't email dude it has to be evil they're hiring jen it's like evil is is incompetence times malice i guess i don't know whatever this show this formula no it's it's going to be evil because that'll be their im night shamala twist right like oh you work for the evil law firm now and she's going to have to like i don't know get fired and then get hired by dare that was something dumb who knows what the hell's going to happen i thought that was it for the cringe of that kind then they continue to talk the cringe never ends smaller the scene doesn't end we don't cut away they continue to speak and so she says think about everything she hulk brings to the table and those guys were my best option i was not happy listening to that line i was like i wasn't happy listening to that and then first off that's just a four from an afternoon so fucking calm down exactly um but the follow-up line says you can have superhero superpowers and guys with an internet connection think they can do better oh can you believe that this is like can you believe this is villain talk this is when you go my value is in the fact that i have power and that people so when you say a guy with an internet connection as if that means he's a lower being like just by the value of you didn't mention anything else it's just like fuck this is the opposite of what you should be showing value to why are you suggesting that having power makes you a good person and here uh captain mid bucks remember that one of those guys is a pediatric neural surgeon presumably making seven figures a year while also being jacked out of his mind and doing charity dates with fives understanding and just jesus christ man it's so annoying to listen to because they have no idea what they're writing they think they're right and like yeah fuck those guys for not literally like worshiping us like you bring an affirmation of like feudalism or something it's like suggesting that the world should operate on a social caste system it's it's it's just weird to like talk about like we're the brahman why why why is this the way that we're characterizing and categorizing people it's just so weird again there are shows that make the opposite point like having power doesn't make you a good person fucking power corrupts is usually the message they have everything's back up thanks internet gods for corrupting me completely for no reason welcome to part two incredible hello everybody we made it we survived we pulled through together as a team something teamwork something went wrong or something went right maybe the gods are trying to protect us because yeah that was pretty much the end of the episode and that means we're on to the the wedding episode i didn't i did have one point right as your internet dying oh go for it what was it i don't want to get to uh so it's it's still on the handsome man thing because i am hung up on this i get hung up on handsome men apparently but um this guy is billed originally as this perfect catch so much so that she hulk initiates all of the conduct that follows she invites him home she's like pouncing on him she has to go fight demon she comes back she picks him up and carries him like a baby into the bedroom she's doing everything because he is the catch and then in the next episode after he's like hey you know what it's not gonna work out for us you know i like you but generally isn't my thing she hulk is she's like he thinks he can get with me just because he's got an internet connection it's like i'm not open you set him up as this perfect ideal like this this thing and then now you're like what a loser it just seems like cope doesn't it it's like it is absolutely oh my god please date me no i didn't want to date you anyway fuck you yeah you can't fire me i quit exactly it's god it was it was crazy like it just it made me so angry like unreasonably angry because it's like you you create this and then you have no self-awareness to the fact that you're now shitting on the thing you created as if it was this character's fault that uh that you know i don't know i don't know you made him ideal and then he wasn't ideal enough jesus if you could not get more stereotypically woman i don't know what you do what we're gonna see in episode six i think is basically the payoff to what we're doing here which seems to be yeah sure he's got all these things working for him but what he really needs to do is recognize jennifer walters specifically yes and so when we see the next guy who is basically everything that guy was handsome caring considerate but he also likes jennifer walters identity it's like ah now there we go we'll get there we'll get there well i mean he doesn't know how he's yeah he's not evil he'll be fine but he might die yeah who knows oh i don't know i don't oh true right yeah because we saw the little uh thing at the end that's a hmm he could be a plant yeah maybe he's evil i think that they're not gonna something's gotta happen to where she is going to be single forever they're not going to pair she hulk up with anybody well as we learned single as we learned in future rama the the viewer doesn't want characters to change they want single field my lawyer to remain single female lawyer otherwise it's too scary the possibilities of character changing and having a different life he's going to drive up in a diesel truck and not be environmentally conscious enough and you'll have to let him go oh and i have a hummer an h2 what if he specifically it will be a manual transmission he likes to have control i can understand that i think he won't even have an internet connection ooh then he'll be okay oh god then he'll be the most basic because then he won't be on the intel a luminati site oh god i'm so excited to be a woman hater check out that that's gonna be great but before the last thing we see is just her getting her suits you don't see them and then it's like yeah da da da da da we got daredevil look guys look daredevil ringy was thrilled to see daredevil you know i wasn't thrilled i was it was despair concern angst but you love that i'm pretty sure that they just as well they played they played generic music they didn't even like put in the little piano uh thing like the you know the motif just generic uh look it's data or look it's yellow look at it sitting out there in the open are you excited i'm not excited i'm i'm scared i don't believe that i think the second he turns up on screen you're gonna go whoo yeah fringy loves daredevil he was so excited to see that daredevil would be in she-hulk attorney at law wow look a couple years ago if you told me he was gonna be showing up and interacting with other characters it would have been like man that's exciting now now it's just uh fear dread dread's probably the right one yeah the desire to have never been born all these things just it's sad to me how much better than netflix marvel shows were yeah show just well shows they were better and i don't even i don't even think that a lot of them are even that worthwhile yeah like i like the first first season of luke cage okay and i couldn't get into the second season but that was so much better than this season absolutely like the problems that those shows had compared to what has been pretty standard for these marvel shows now is kind of crazy because like the problems like luke not luke because i think the first half of season one of luke cage is actually pretty strong and i think it falls apart after cottonmouth gets uh taken out of the picture um and i mean it was like with i remember jessica joan season one that's like it's probably could have been a fewer a couple like less episodes and i think it would have been stronger but there were parts of it i liked and even like iron fist which is the bad one it's probably not as bad as these ones about to rewatch it i i would watch iron fist over she hulk every single day i would say she hulk is one of the most unpleasant watches for a tv show that there is it's particularly unpleasant like moon night wasn't unpleasant it was pretty disappointing yeah it was at times frustrating but there were times when i was like kind of engaged and um a lot of the other ones told you had zemo had walker it did have zemo and walker even if it didn't know what it had even if it didn't appreciate what it had it still had it even if it didn't know for fuck's sake because i don't think she hulk is the worst one i don't think that you can beat loki ever but it's been a particularly frustrating experience mokey breaks everything it destroys everything well i was gonna say to do it quickly like nick the show establishes that there is some guy who decided what uh in in this particular way whenever you make a decision or you have the potential to make a decision obviously multi versus bring off he's been clipping all of the ones that he doesn't want so he only keeps the one that he does want meaning if i were to eat the burger or not eat the burger he's like molla ate the burger and so essentially kang is the ultimate puppet master responsible for every single event that happens in the mcu some people have tried with this they're like that still doesn't mean that he's taken away their will because they still make that choice it's like no they make every choice according to this world and that he takes away all the ones he doesn't want he only chooses one so really he's making the choices at that point is yeah so your heroes are being killed your heroes are being murdered because they ate the sand which when they weren't supposed to there's a world where uh yeah there's a world where i man didn't create ultron which was one of his biggest mistakes and he got killed by kang for that oh yeah sorry to let you know yeah they go and melt them with special magical powers if ever they go off script so and by melt it means sends into a dimension where a giant purple fart cloud dragon eats them and this may not make sense to you but it it's it's it totally lines up it's it's totally easy to just oh yeah every event in the mcu from i man one onwards obviously because i mean technically speaking from cap onwards but however early you want to go all of it was kang nobody made their own decisions he made them all okay so there's there's an infinite multitude of universes created with every single potential choice that everyone on earth could ever make at any given time and presumably every being in the universe yeah and this guy is only keeping the one timeline that he wants which means he's also able to keep up with that infinity this motherfucker yeah somehow somehow how's he doing this who knows by the way this being he's killed by a night full-time job none of the time he's killed by a knife yep they stab him he dies and that's the end of kang for now for now he's as durable he's as durable as the dark hold yeah basically why didn't he just pick the reality where the guy didn't have a knife oh because he's got it at home because he's bored that was the end of all of his architecture by that point it was uh that was that was the end of his knowledge of what would happen yeah he'd orchestrated everything up until low key season one episode six that was the culmination of all of his efforts and to be fair the like halfway through that episode even because that's what i fucking kind of like don't get other people who even like that show despite the establishment that everything is meaningless because it was all his fucking choices or rather the meaning gets taken away from the main characters but even in that season everything Loki and Sylvie did in that season is him right up until the end the only choice that gets made in that entire show is Sylvie killing him or not killing him that's the only meaning yeah they don't make choices what was his big payoff like for all the engineered stuff like what did he get to happen that he really wanted to happen did he get like a low job from his high school crush he's like engineered her to get to him honestly because he was a high school teacher i can't even remember what they say the reason for him doing all of that avoiding multiversal war i think is what he wanted to do well but but the thing is is that he left the choice in Sylvie's hands basically we can keep this going again or we can have the multiverse war when he killed me so like he didn't prevent the multiverse war but then he allows a multiverse war to be possible because he got bored allowing himself to die yeah because he was bored of everything it's like oh so what is your deal which will lead to the the two avengers movies and then secret wars there's a good chance that everything will reset but he can't die because presumably when she makes the choice to stab him that and he's not there to snip off that multiverse he's just still a persist in the other multiverse oh wait yeah isn't there a universe where she didn't stab him there has to be it's the nature of multiverse right there's now many many many kangs but the thing is like killing this one kang you've created many kangs i don't know if we we talked about this but like if there's a universe where she simultaneously didn't stab him then that one would now continue his work and snip off all the other universes right that's true oh my god did we seriously not think about that like i can't remember if we talked about that but that just fucks the whole thing over again yeah destroys everything once more that show is like a one out of ten the stupidest fucking nonsense one of the stupidest dumbest most poorly written stories ever conceived and it was written that by the guy multiverse madness which is also one of yeah next just so you know multiverse man this is a movie that i made a six hour video dismantling it's so awful yeah and the right i've heard the right to behind it made loki that's they're both his he's incredibly responsible the amount of damage he's dealt to the marbles cinematic universe is remarkable it's actually kind of impressive see someone said well more the place they were in exists outside of space and time which is bs then how did he know exactly what they were going to do up to the point of stabbing him unless he could control it also beyond time and space no just don't even need to address that he he explicitly said he was he snipped off everything other than right up until she's yeah because he predicted when she tried to stab him she he managed to dodge all of her attacks because he knew everything even though they'll be on space and time he knew exactly what she was going to do and then where yeah and then the backup argument is what does it mean to exist outside of i just can't i can't i give up and remember crisis on infinitisms that was beyond space and time too it was great we all agree that that was garbage but for some reason loki manages because i had better visual effects and better actors oh that sounds real bad yes and that's the point right she hope can never be that bad it's impossible do you remember there was a guy there is actually there is actually a universe where she hulk is worse though that's that's right even you know even infinity has limits come on do you remember the time where a guy put on a metal suit and beat up people i missed it i do remember that guy was cool it was so cool that was neat and it's like now when i think about dead evil it's like yeah remember what dead evil got really tied when he got into a fight with five guys in a hallway now he's gonna team up with she hulk and go on adventures with her yay which by the way i'm pretty sure we still haven't seen there was a guy in the trail of frog man or he looks like a frog man anyway maybe he's gonna is is dead evil gotta be pitted against a frog man in the episode that he shows up in maybe i don't know how to feel about that personally not because i'm a frog or anything but just because you know well i don't know well play into it just makes me wonder what is the pairing of dead evil the the guy who wears the devil horns and the frog you know hmm this fun stuff to be done that uh i hope he fights frog man what what why why would you say that frogs and just critters that they sit there in the water and they they i don't know much what amphibians they he spends most of his time in the water and he occasionally goes on land he's just chill well maybe he's not maybe this frog guy is a jerk in which case dead evil can exact justice upon him annihilate him just for being a jerk well i mean it would be relative justice right there's jerking that's yeah oh like very mild justice yes he is exactly just it's it's pretty mild it's pretty he only tips eight percent so it's kind of really bad yeah assuming that yeah the service warranted that kind of we have the wedding episode wedding episode love wedding episodes he gets an invite to a wedding it's really sparkly and obnoxious and she's like it's someone that you've never heard of before who's a friend of my family i fell out of touch with her but i guess i'll go because i can't say no and then even the paralegals like they know but then you find out the real reason she wants to go it's not because she feels obligated it's because she wants people to look at her and say she's pretty yep you're you're pretty and you're so smart and accomplished you're great at their own wedding i just i do wonder right because if if someone said to me like wait should you hate she hold because she's like perfect i'd be like no no no no no she's definitely not perfect she's got some flaws but i just don't know if the show knows i can't tell i don't think i don't think so vanity is off the charts insane okay so a long time ago a long time ago on my channel um i uh are you guys familiar with a youtube creator coach red pill they used to essentially yeah okay well uh way back when he did a kickstart he wrote a fiction book it was like a internet political thriller memey thing about a kidnapping all right and say crowdfunded it or whatever he sent me a copy and he asked me to review it live with him on the channel so i read it and it like every female character was written exactly how you would expect coach red pill to write a female character they were all like vapid self-centered completely uninteresting they were they were stereotypical like mana sphere depictions of women even the ones you're supposed to like that's exactly how she hulk is being written except it's being written by a bunch of women it's so funny to me like i'm stuck on this this thing like how do you keep writing the most unlikable woman on the planet as like who is shallow and vain and self-centered as if that were the good thing not realizing that that is the criticism that is unfairly placed on women constantly out of curiosity rags springy and i will try and answer this question as well who would you rather hang out with he hulk or galadriel who i thought you're gonna say she hulk or captain marvel um who she hulk or galadriel obviously i am referring to rings of power galadriel oh fuck you um let's see well let's i so i think i would you i think i would hang out with galadriel galadriel it seems like things just in the world just sort of bend to work out for her which could be really excellent you know if you if you hung out with her and you were her friend or whatnot um she is royalty she's very very prestigious in her positions and whatnot um so that probably affords i mean i would just i would just say that i would rather hang out with she hulk because i think that there's a a greater chance that i could have like a real conversation with her i think though i was talking about galadriel but like she seems to be pretty confrontational to absolutely everybody that she interacts with whereas she hulk like then for what is at least there's some people that she is nice to and will talk to i and also because she believes she lives in like the contemporary real world that's probably easier to have a conversation hey she has a tempest in her i would hang out with she hulk um yeah i think i would go with she hulk because i would i'm much more interested to talk to this woman i would want to talk to her about all of the things she said all the value she clearly espouses and her clear insecurities that relate to her and she hulk i'd be i'd be curious to ask her about uh handsome man and all the situation stuff galadriel though good god i i kind of want to leave the room i'd be like please don't kill me like i don't know what's wrong with you but you just you're kind of an insane person oh yeah uh and nick you haven't had the pleasure of uh watching rings of power yet is that correct oh it's great that's what you're gonna have to watch for next week no no no no don't make me do it watch episode five i just realized i haven't i'm not gonna be that torturous to you because uh we got a bunch of other people we're gonna drag through rings of power all right i knew it was gonna be trash like and so what i was hoping was that since it was being done on a premium video service and that's the only place like you're allowed to have significant amounts of nudity that they would just go all out and make it like game of thrones or make it like what fucking tiddy in this thing man and it's like you got elves and orcs and dwarves you could have hairy dwarf tits you could do everything like just just go just go for it man like just a big fuck pile yeah like just everyone it's like spartacus gods of the arena except with weird races and like just like have fun and be irreverent and like you're already crapping all over tolkien so just do it do it and they won't they won't and it makes once i found out that that didn't happen i was so mad i was like okay fine no i'm not even gonna watch it not even gonna watch it oh wangs of power for you well uh i guess we'll just carry on with the i guess we'll just carry on so um again being someone who's not fashion man uh when she pulls out this dress here in a friend like oh my god this most amazing dress ever am i missing something because it's just polka dots but it's quite on blue like i think it's a pretty sun dress thingy i don't know why why is it yeah i was gonna say why is it special because this is the one that was made by the super designer and she's like look at this thing people aren't gonna be able to look away and it's like it looks normal well maybe it goes into what we've talked about before about writing cleverness right you want to write a character that's clever you as a writer have to have some level of cleverness maybe the same thing applies to fashion if you are going to write a dress or display a dress to be extremely fashionable that people look at and they go oh wow it's incredibly fashionable you as a writer have to know what is fashionable to portray but they don't actually know how to do that and i certainly don't fucking know either so they that's why they rely on everybody in the story saying that things are or are not fashionable okay for me it's just it's a sundress and sundresses are wonderful like god's gift to men i love sundries but there's no like high fashion to them it's just a sun dress it fits very nicely it's usually not a ton of material it leaves flowy and light a tasteful amount of skin uh i can see more green this way hey now we're talking about shulk you like this show right oh i love this show this is my favorite show woohoo well it's almost as good as lucky almost not quite not quite it's not up to that high level yeah yet one day well you're you're just in time because we got a whole episode to cover you uh you okay with being on streams for like a decently long amount of time i can't remember if that's a thing you do is uh no i have to get out i only stream for like like tiny periods of time that last five minutes i thought so you too huh i know weak short man hi nick this is the first time we've interacted i believe yeah how's it going man good to meet you the law person and the shadow person meet i know they together they create bad law which is not to be confused with shadow thirsty that's a different thing uh hopefully also not to be confused with shad man oh gosh i'd also there might be who that is i can't believe you know that name i know all the dark parts of the internet now my life is ruined uh so anyway yeah she says um the only thing that sucks about all this is the book we'll have to pick up her work like superhero and stuff and i was just thinking to myself like so the the case with mr immortal is gonna go to mallory instead of g hulk instead of just like delaying the case i would have thought they also well also you just started here and you're getting vacation days that seems unlikely yeah i was actually going to bring that up seems very unlikely that they would do that and if they were to do it wouldn't they aim it so that no cases are running while she goes on it this is how many days is this this rehearsal how many days notice did she get you know uh shortly all like good notice right so she starts she starts her trip on a wednesday uh that's that's revealed when she's talking to josh later uh because she's like over the weekend well wednesday thursday and then i guess the weddings on friday is kind of the weird impression that i get from it and the timeline to me doesn't make any sense but that she does mention wednesday thursday okay the real question is that it's inconvenient timing for like it's a weird day to have a wedding yeah but but the of course the issue is so you have to arrange um this meeting with mr immortal like with his women like these x's or whatever they seem to get so they get mr immortal as a client they arrange a meeting of nine people within a day like there's no way this would all have to be handled yeah you're right yeah by her on in the or by them in this timeline it's that's insane i mean nothing moves this fast in law and then why would you do that why would you make it so that you do it when your primary like lawyer that you want to be seen doing all these cases isn't available when she's only not available for a couple of days like why would you do that yeah she's going to be gone two days three days working days total cases they cannot wait yeah and then of course if she will uh because the thing you just tell her that by the way she wanted an alibi to not go to the wedding at least half of her personality the other half that's vain focused didn't but like if it works i literally can't give you the time off so you can't that would be her perfect excuse not to go i guess but uh she wants to be seen as she hulk okay it's very important i'm so invested in i hope i hope she gets to be appreciated for how hot she is that's that's the story we're telling woohoo that's important oh yeah all right um fun yeah we mentioned before she says uh she looks at camera she says it's a self-contained wedding episode and if you think it's happening at an inconvenient time in the season you're right that's because all weddings happen at inconvenient times but i'm gonna look great so who cares all right well yeah thanks for that insight i suppose it's really just like that's your fourth wool break okay very clever i'm glad you're really taking advantage of this format or element also this would she would have to know that all this is coming because she's a bridesmaid has a bridesmaid's dress where was the bachelorette party where was all of the like the fitting of the dress or the the acquisition of the dress up to this point i mean she's got her superhero dress but she needs the damn pink bridesmaid's dress that's gonna be there too like there's no way this comes out of nowhere well it definitely doesn't come out of nowhere i think it's only meant to be you thought you were gonna see dead evil yeah that sucks doesn't it anyway uh this episode now like that's all it comes across to me as you thought you were again with the timeline jokes on jokes on you looks like she gets her invite and then just goes yeah i know it's i i don't because she would have been told like months in advance yeah she's a bridesmaid there's so much something has to be done oh my god we don't really care about i mean it's like you said all the lego stuff moves white faster than it does in real life you get i guess fighting a week yeah you plan your wedding in like a week and everybody's ready to go and be there yeah so then did you guys did you guys find that uh healer's babyface said that uh that the bride there has a has a nice rack he was admiring that one i've seen the the clips yeah he's uh where he calls he crawls into his own hoodie right uh r i p to as no the the the bride herself there oh yeah she's great for us yeah yeah oh okay was there some content over this one i know what it's up to what maybe just some that's a man baby what that's a dude a bride is a trans woman yep i didn't know that i had no idea i have i know nothing about this i just know the meme from from as trap card played so this this she arrives and she's all look at me i'm awesome i'm amazing oh what a coincidence that's the dress by the way i guess in full i still don't get it in terms of quite so special but sure yeah just a polka dot and plus look at the way that the polka dots are on it it looks like about you know look the bottom third or bottom half they're arranged in a different way actually yeah you're right kind of it just cuts doesn't it by here it seems to cut and that's not good dress design at all what actually is that you see that where i'm trying to put the cursor there's like a hard line well because she's so tall they had to add like an x trillion no but that's not how you do it is it you don't just wow just sit you don't know anything about i know this this was all last minute okay maybe she did no this was made by the super desider maybe you just don't understand this is high fashion oh wait i was going to say maybe it stretches out when she grows but she is grown so that's not true yeah this is it it's i don't know because like when you have the little creases like oh yeah sure the dress would do it but this is flat and it's just that harsh like they stitch two pieces of the same material this is CGI isn't it you could literally change it he's CGI it wrong they CGI to fuck up they CGI to look like shit does it is it just this one image or is it is it do they have like a texture that's supposed to be mapped to some kind of a well let's see if i can find it when she's wearing it as normal gen and i have a feeling it won't be as shit i'm curious if i can get a good shot might be they might have scanned it so i just just don't typically see that level of like a harsh cut in the middle of the dress like for like highly professional stuff is weird so is the back or something i mean okay even from this shot it actually might be uh the the regular dress has that in it if you can see but there can you how can you see well the problem well my problem wasn't necessarily if the CGI was bad it's that you went through all that trouble and effort to get this special guy and he makes this kind of a glaring fuck up on the front of the dress the interesting part was if the CGI team made the imperfection or if they would just replicate it it looks like they would just replicate in it yeah which of course they that is they do in the job properly i guess yeah i mean props to them and they're limited time in their dungeon to do this stuff done through and they have indeed yeah so they had to spend the budget they would put on she hooks you know CGI face onto that dress so yep once she transforms does her hair do the the big comey flume thing over the top is that just naturally how her hair is they've shown it here and there where it just extends out and then becomes that it even changes color right sometimes because yeah it was greenish on a couple of shots i remember but it's just weird it is weird i don't know how any of it works but whatever uh the the the bride is like all upset she's stealing all the attention away and then uh she helps sort of concedes she's like fine i won't do that i'll go back to being normal gen and i was just like why don't you just say it's health related and you can't like the longer you spend that adamant i guess on on doing this but well i guess i guess the argument would be she really does care to not take attention away from the bride it's like okay the whole reason she came here was for attention so well like what she think was gonna happen you know like what do you think you're a big green lady like of course it's gonna be noticeable and draw attention away from the bride well i'm that she established she's not even fond of this lady so it's like why why even why would this again i just i would have thought as as as a smart lawyer you'd be like you know what fuck this i'm just gonna make a break i guess it's just because they wanted the meme like of the she's like ah damn i wanted to i wanted to go like this and now i've got to be josh jen so i could have the writing card that actually raises the the why i i hate this episode more than the one we just covered is probably what i would consider to be the best episode which is crazy because they're all horribly bad but uh this one really annoyed me because i was just like this is them trying to write a almost a not quite a comedy of errors but like a oh no you go to the wedding for fun and look first of all they take away the one thing you want to do oh now you got to do the dishes oh no the guy you got to walk down the aisle where there's a dog and it's like first off hey the show said it on me just to be clear that's totally fine there's nothing wrong with that well did you did you catch the line where they said like we had to resuscitate him yesterday or something the dog and i was like yeah and that he was leaking yeah i was just like that's is your dog old is your dog so care the fucking dog why are you like fucking around with it if it's like it's almost dying like what the hell if it's seriously ill making a participate in this wedding i don't i've never understood it the way they write this shit they have no idea what they're saying but um yeah she's she they do this they're like haha just jan attorney at law because now she has to just be jan at the wedding whoo whoo that's fucking hilarious it's so funny so funny uh so then where do we go it's uh oh yeah we got an introduction herself she she hated she hulk now she hates herself like that they keep waffling like which which identity does she actually like i i don't know the whole and the whole theme of the first episode with bruce was that she was she hulk that she and had no actual distinction between the two but then the rest of the series is her having distinctions between the two halves of herself well that was for mary soon as it's it's everyone's perception of her because she's personality wise completely interchangeable 100 percent it seems to just be a power and aesthetic thing in terms of how people view her but it's also how she views herself like it because i mean it is how people view her but she wanted to go to this wedding to bc she seen as she hulk right like so she wanted that's just that's just presentation like there's no actual difference between the two that isn't just like an aesthetic one or just for the powers there's no personality or character difference right it's not like she has to actually bounce back and forth or god forbid play two different characters hey to be fair this is the one actress that they could have gotten to do that pretty easily often black she plays like thousand characters or something uh for anybody who doesn't know just the series she got famous for played like i think a person who got cloned a bazillion times and or something like that um she's a whole bunch of accents as well you would have thought that they would have put that to use in some way in this show but uh nope nah well i mean it's the talent of the actress ced with much less talented writers unfortunate seems to be a pretty persistent problem in the mcu of like you got actors who can do the job but then you got writers who just can't so yeah that everything about this sucks it's like hello mr holless and he goes mr immortal and immediately i was just like i'm sorry what like that's that's probably worth explaining but no they move on like immediately and it's like okay because like they're taking his case they don't want to question the fact he's referring to himself as mr immortal it's like hmm um and he says look with with with these people i'm with like they smother me emotionally they end up wearing weird pajamas can you blame me for walking out into a road into a road into n end it right there and then is this the actor who plays the uh the guy in the boba pet show he's the assistant yeah yeah that's um yeah the one that they catch on on the epic car chase yeah that was very epic that's how i remembered him was from the epic car change but yeah so doesn't even explain like how he fakes his death because when he whenever he gets hurt he just like instantly heals so this is why not just law issues but just all of the issues it's like he just says like whatever he's tired of a relationship he just walks out gets right over by a car or whatever and that fixes everything it's like how yeah they'd be like look his body's just knitting itself back together i wonder if he's up right there yeah like there's not going to be a funeral right and they're like so you die and he's like well i only die in the legal sense it's like not really no you don't die at any sense if you just straight back to life like right if someone dies on the operating table and is resuscitated a minute later they're still married i legit was like i was going to ask that question because i was like is that something i never knew that you'll do you'd like is counted as a divorce or just a separation the second your heart stops i was like i don't think that's how that works i don't get your irritants you lose the house all that stuff you have to pay a death tax social security the insurance company pays out every time it's amazing every three born again i do i'm like that movie flatliners like just put me out and bring me back every couple minutes like i'll just keep collecting on these insurance checks like come on this already it's just like what the fuck are you talking about how does this make any sense at all it's like isn't it funny though he kills himself every time he's tired of his wedding his wives or at a husband when am i right well if they had like a scene of him like they he's buried and he you see he actually like prized himself out of the ground just to avoid you know telling a woman he's getting divorced or something some commitment i like yeah yeah that would make sense if yeah if his if his healing was delayed by like or he could delay it by like an hour to eight hours a day and you know so instead of all that crazy logistical nonsense and then the fact that legally it wouldn't do fuck all how does he escape like how does it make any sense their responses so instead of talking with your wife you kill yourself i was just like that's all you took from what he said that's all you got okay and a lot of men okay a lot of men's answers to that when they're at the stage of divorce would be wait till you meet her like well and it keeps it gets cringy and cringy because his response to that is well i'm a mortal i don't die which is a fair like sort of thing in response to her saying you just kill yourself he's like i don't die per se the response to that is you think this woman with a law degree doesn't know what immortal means i was like what the fuck like she just displayed that she didn't know what it meant he said he's mr immortal he is here right now and so he says isn't it a better way to just walk out into the road and end it there he's obviously not referring to ending his life he's talking about ending the the marriage and she said wait so you kill yourself so i just i just find it so incompetent so the show is like wow this is this would be the mansplaining stuff right like it's like you just said to a woman who would obviously have the qualifications to understand what words mean you explain to it what a word means when she would obviously notice like well i'm sorry she expressed that she didn't know what it meant so so you wrote this like what you want us to do i don't understand write them to be this way if you don't want us to make fun of them this way i don't want to say you made this happen and they do it throughout the show i don't understand what am i supposed to do i get it they secretly have a maybe a personal bias against the particular gender i don't know that's weird i wouldn't like this myself and i love women and once again they don't ask the problem questions instead it's like you ever feel bad about doing this it's like really so you just accepted it all you just go home and it's like next question do you feel bad at his response is to establish the facts of reality yeah and he's like oh go ahead oh go ahead they they also don't cover like the critical attorney client question of what is your goal here they establish his goals on what's going to happen and they completely betray their clients and they threaten him you're gonna pay for like what is your goal in dealing with this is your goal to actually like compensate these women for lost time is your goal to have us fight to show that you're not married or the marriage is annulled at the time of your death like what what is it like how how does this play out for you in your head what is your plan here let's see if we can get to it like there's no interest of the client put into a single thing in the show and oh it's like well ironically the show about female lawyers shows female lawyers who their femaleness gets in the way of their lawyering yes and it's about to so much in it it's coming so it's coming his response to do you ever feel bad about all this is well I'm a nice guy and this is the most considerate way to end a marriage he's such a like a clown character but you can still enjoy him I guess buddy it's like a beam you're lying you're lying I don't believe you you like when you're like jigsaw on those movies well and then they start criticizing him pretty hard cool going back forth shouting bow bow bow bow bow loud loud loud loud and then just he kills himself before he jumps out the window um this is the only the most accurate scene in the entire show is that when he's alive when women get into the the catty bitch spiral back and forth they're just going and going and going every man thinks if I can just find a window and jump out of it it'll all be it'll be better it's this is preferable to listening to this horseshit it's um I find the imagery funny of a man running towards like the window just jumping out while the conversation's happening he jumps out in a really funny way too he does he does talk about it in a funny way I don't know why he's like he's like hits his arms behind him and everything he's like he's like head fist smashing through that he's like a seaman and so I don't mean he starts fritzing yeah it's fritzing to get out it's like I don't know what it is like that that's go to smile out of me it reminded me there's that old money python scene where the the guy just goes in the board meeting and he just does the same thing he just goes up to the window and just he's just out he just jumps right off you sure it's not the um the it crowd because that's why that meme is the one I'm really familiar with where he jumps out the window and he makes a really funny movement with his body as well it's uh but yeah this one will just be added to the selection it's pretty fun um okay you're right it's it crowd I thought it was money python um well yeah it's just it's good shit it's funny as fuck um I think he gets told like his stocks have plummeted to zero something he just goes mm-hmm and stands up walks over to the window and just jumps out but yeah so he manages to just jump through this window and I think most people have a thought of just like oh I think I think they're built to be able to take that um they're not like you know impossible to smash glass glass they're like reimposed he actually jumped at the window smashed off of it and let it back on the uh on the floor I'm already funny yeah he grabs it or is it through the wings so that he can get out like these these pains they're they're made to not shatter because they're really high up look how high up they are I'm not as happy about that they they lost an opportunity for a joke of him smashing into the window it doesn't work and then having to grab like a chair and smash it and then jump out yeah I still like the image right here though it is funny it is funny yeah jumped out um but they're so focused though on like arguing each other about how much they hate him yeah yeah that neither of them turn like these guys like these guys like full sprinting away from him they don't notice till he breaks the window like they they literally have a woman moment like that it's it's the show is again amazing either amazingly self-aware or amazingly self unaware and I can never figure out which one it is it has to be the latter um so he's he's spotted he's smashed into like a fucking car uh and so this this for the meme is like you know sure but so I think we mentioned this earlier but just he's he's in so much trouble um doesn't matter if you're yeah well actually I was going to say it doesn't matter if you're alive it's like well no actually it only matters because you're alive you'll be prosecuted more than likely um I don't even know what is the worst of the crimes we've been committed here is it the destruction to the car or is it the uh I mean it the raining glass on like a yeah I was going to say that a falling object right like yeah that's probably the top of the building that's super dangerous and this is an old person you don't know if anybody's down there that you might fall on you don't know what the raining glass is gonna hit anybody you've endangered a lot of people yeah I'm terrified of him I guess I mean security guard was in the car he would be dead oh yeah exactly that is true yeah and he was right next to it by the way so wow he's gonna be like fearful for the rest of his life as he's sitting in his car that he's gonna watch out for immortal men coming out of windows yeah and so this destroys everything we were just told he gets up immediately from the death how does this help you when you're trying to come across as though you've died so they can show it without so they could instantly take it back in the show because it's fun it's not that guys it's fine but uh yeah if this is how it plays out when he gets killed it doesn't make any sense at all because nobody would believe he's dead there'd be no they should have had no believing yeah they should have had a funeral right and then the two lawyers are there like so much for mr immortal or whatever and then he walks in like dusting the dirt off from having come out of the grave that would be funny or something like he's like okay so now you see my dilemma like that'd be the way to set up the whole thing but instead like you guys said he just instantly revives which means every time he died every one of those x's would have just seen him get up and everyone around would have to know like no he was fine I hit him with my car but he just got right back up and he went to work or whatever I don't know also I remember left the body on the freeway after he got right over I just want to say this is it's like of all the terrible of the wet no autopsy or anything man that'd be horrifying he hasn't when he's meant to be dead and he's just starts screaming wait what if he gets cremated what happens that I guess he doesn't feel pain does he I don't know he doesn't seem like it I mean if he were if he heals super duper fast maybe that hopes but I guess because if it was but if he felt the pain of all this surely just going down the staircase would be better right than experiencing the terrible pain that this would inflict on you or an elevator like maybe just is over it like he's gonna feel the pain but rags it was quite funny did you hear those women shrieking and we also we need to also consider the fact that if you're going to kill yourself that if you're gonna kill yourself fuck you if you do it by walking into traffic actually fuck you piece of shit you know because now you're fucking traumatized someone or multiple people for potentially the rest of their lives because you essentially tried to unload that onto someone else by walking in front of their vehicle and have them kill you so if he did that and if his methods of death or you know that sort of thing then like you're just a terrible person by traumatizing people like that so uh we go back to girl shulk um uh the bride said oh do you do you have someone to be here with and she's like no and she goes no i'm sorry and she goes no no i'm fine she says don't worry you still have a little bit of time left i actually thought that was all right i was like wow you are cunt but at the same time you said it to another cunt so maybe it's okay it kind of equals out balance is out um it's equal it's we've we've we have entropy in this room with a country all found its level and then titanium shows up at the wedding um and like jan is immediately like oh you're here to fuck with me oh wait go back you could see if the dress was uh oh no i did fix on her i think i we did we did it was like maybe a bit uh it i don't know how to get a shot here actually after this i think it was like the perfect shot oh i think it is just fucked yeah it's just fucked it's a really badly made dress uh i say badly made like badly compared to what it should be i guess why does it have yeah i don't know i don't know anything about fashion but i wouldn't have done it like that i just would have would have had a bit it's actually really annoying to look at you know what it looks terrible on her like the whole thing was that well it was i was going to say it was meant for she helped but then i was like wait wasn't it meant to fit both of them yeah the whole purpose is that yeah it's supposed to fit both of their bodies it's supposed to expand to accommodate she Hulk and it looks just awful like that that is terrible it's like you just wrapped a tablecloth around yourself especially with the pattern it really does look like that yeah a picnic blanket like they don't and they don't have to like they just have to make the dress fit her and then CGI the dress exactly why did they they reversed it they CGI'd the good one i made her wear we're okay with the concept that some guy who makes these incredible outfits for superheroes can make stretchy fabric because we're okay with the concept that this chick can become nine feet tall and throw cars like we've our suspension of disbelief is accomplished a long time ago just make a dress that fits her nice like she's not ugly you're having a costume department that could have done this but they chose not to they're like nah whatever it doesn't matter we're having fun so it doesn't matter um so yeah titan shows up and she's like why are you here and then and then bride shows up and she's like oh it's so great to have titania here's amazing and then she hulk your gen because she's gen is like she's here to mess with me it's so obvious why doesn't anyone else see that it's like dude she just arrived you haven't got anyone's opinion outside of the bride mm-hmm she oh god she's so self-centered it's it's tough to watch sometimes it's like the whole world revolves around you jen this fight because the thing is if i was standing then she said do you think she's here just to fuck with me i'd be like yeah probably probably but at the same time yeah you've asked nobody and now you're like why does nobody believe that i am correct about this it's it's like the bad it's like it's that bad uh screenwriting technique where the character has an actually a good point so they have to phrase it in like the worst possible ways and no one believes them yeah because isn't it public knowledge that she just sued uh titania for stealing her name i mean everyone should know about this yeah after she prevented titania from killing a whole bunch of people which for some reason nobody cares about like yeah did the show ever explain how titania got off no like punching a bunch of cops in the face and trying to murder a god of old charges that's all we get yeah okay all we get yes yes oh fucking hell so um yeah and she says to jen not everything is about you and i was like that's that's a fair lie i'm sorry jen end it sounds accurate yeah so um yeah then then she goes outside to pout and uh mr perfect shows up like gosh it's just i'm just looking for an incredibly beautiful woman who's doing exactly what you're doing and she's like oh and and wait that just it's just pouring as fuck like it's like yes he's super interested in talking to you and he likes you for you not for she this is why i'm hoping he is evil by the way it would make him gonna be evil or he's gonna die god i want him to be evil batwoman rules and die be evil die and everything to die um yeah and then just just excellent character writing uh bride pops back up and she's like yeah and some of my staff are quitting because of how i'm treating them can you help clean everything up please it's really annoying like when you are writing characters to essentially be like completely incapable of recognizing annoying traits that they may have and then it's like playoff is kind of a joke oh yeah people don't like that i'm not treating them very well i mean that's unbelievable anyway yeah that's just everyone's cartoonish like that's characterization is just like i this is just an absurd clown world where like i don't know like everybody is a caricature it's so it's so bizarre it's it's really disconnecting yeah it is because i don't feel like i'm watching like characters i feel like i'm watching props that are sort of being you know paraded around to just facilitate whatever plot line they need to do or whatever joke they think is really funny but why can't you just write like people why can't you just write them as people and characters and characters we've got no spine with the bride you remember how much of a spine she had against uh bruce uh yeah a whole lot a whole lot of it yeah we didn't need that spine anymore is gown because i'm sorry but if i was invited as a guest to a wedding and i was discussing something quite like i was interested in one of the other guests and we were just having a good time and then the fucking bride says can you tidy everything up because my people i've paid to be here i fucked it all up and they don't want to be here anymore can you do it i'd be like no especially if we hate each other which is apparently the idea here actually you chose me as a bridesmaid and now you're making me do this pay me bitch well the the other thing like this guy i i believe is a groomsman and he's interested in her and he's not like yeah i'll help yeah you know she gives him another job i think oh does she that might be i think so but again i just wish these characters would be like nah fuck you we're talking go away then again i guess she's the right you feel obligated i don't something that's felt i i feel like these scenes are all way shorter than they should be like a persistent feeling thank god oh well in a sense yeah but it's it's also that um the conversations are never long enough to quite facilitate the goals that they have like from a narrative standpoint if it was like every conversation is missing like a good 30 40 percent of its content um so like the the conversations never feel like they organically arrive where they should or they get cut off way too soon because in this case this conversation lasts what 30 seconds maybe like 20 seconds and then it gets so fast unlike this is meant to be important stuff in terms of character for gen right it should be but in the service of a joke we need to find it we need to insert our joke that's going to split them up so that they can't talk to each other for a while i don't know we're just we're not using our time effectively do you think next episode are they going to continue this like jen is me she has to learn to like use her power when she's jen and she was just going to be like forgotten next episode i'm not sure i couldn't tell if this was actually the whole like she's she's just uh like spineless with when it comes to you know she's like she's uh just takes orders from anybody who asked her to do anything that she's um was that a was that something she did before i'm trying to think like was that a part of i guess what we've noticed is that she will shit on people behind their back but like when face to face she never really directly confronts people with a problem that she has um because we've seen a few examples of that at this point she'll like complain about them but then she won't do anything to try and resolve the problem or the situation apparently on the youtube upload of the she helped twerking scene apparently one of the top comments is props to ultron for seeing the internet for one second and deciding everything should die we can't blame this people really seem to love this show yeah another one is like there was a team of writers who wrote this a team of directors who directed it a team of actors who acted it a team of editors that edited it and through the whole process not once did they say what are we doing nope or once that question was asked it's like damn it's too late we spent a lot of money on this that's the response someone on set is like i don't know about this is like we've we've spent we've spent money so some cost fallacy yeah you're gonna have to just let it happen there jerry we've got to get it out gotta make something back for us okay you have investors so these are all of the scorned parties of mr immortal and they have including but not limited to he disappears whenever the debt comes up he was left uh he left them alone to raise children themselves and the guy says i spent ten thousand dollars on his funeral okay how did he have a funeral like how did this even work i don't understand the coffin exactly so he walks into traffic gets hit by a car theoretically and then gets straight back up and then just walks away and i guess someone said oh my god that guy over there died for sure and his name was whatever he got it's so hard he vaporized and there was nothing left all that was left was the indentation on the car bumper there was no blood no bones no body gone the timeline on this is insane also because you know as as they go through the one chick's like i was with him for nine years another's like i was with him for three he's immortal but these busted chicks aren't and they're all roughly the same age so like what the hell is the timeline of going through nine marriage relationships but having everybody be somewhere around 50 to 60 i don't get it like all of these are supposed to be somewhat long term they didn't think to diversity which one's 45 tell me you you put that on paper which one of those is 45 i don't second second to the right maybe i was just about to say yeah i think second to the right there in the yellow we're both here this left he's got for this left maybe gray hair but then she's oh it's really yeah this is a little bit complicated because black don't crack so we have to really i gotta get a higher definition picture plus we have the no that's the two lawyers okay they're there so it's not the chat the indian woman could be anywhere from 35 to 80 that's legitimately true i don't know what it is about indian people but that's oh there's a joke is a visual joke here i never noticed there's that guy standing it from the window yeah he's yeah yep he's there that's that can be the only because they don't have none of them have representation none of them have lawyers for this negotiate this negotiation would be horrifying it would take forever no it could solve many seconds because they were good but again like why didn't they have you know women ranging from 25 to like 86 like that that would be interesting really young women really old like one of them's like a legitimately like 85 or something like that she's really really old i remember back when i met him in 1917 we really wanted to do drama and he had like a woman who got crushed by this experience and she never wanted to you know pursue any new relationship she killed herself oh all right um well i don't need that she could be alive it's just it's always once dead women in this show it's it's just it would be interesting if you found opportunities to you can be comedy while also having like really meaningful drama but we're not interested in doing that which that's their choice i guess it's just when the show has nothing to offer by way of its comedy you know yeah but it's like for me it just i go back to this the the chick with the top not there she's with him for nine years gb45 the chick next to him or next to her is uh was with him for three years but also had two children and is old so like what is the timeline on this each one of these relationships presumably took a while to get into if you just went through some of these people would have to have aged out of this it's like all the others are one year long it's just a random selection of people you just whatever just throw them in yeah this random guy no thought thrown into any of this it pisses me off well it's a filler episode they just need to get it one and done get it out of the way the funny joke is he's mr immortal and he's a dick to everybody else who jumps out of window all also they're asked how they knew what was it that got them to find out about all this and they say the the video of him like getting back up was uploaded to intelligentsia and then they're like oh that that's that website for man babies yeah it's like oh god the website for man babies that calls out a man for deceiving women okay that a woman that a woman is browsing yeah she's the alex jones fan and like because that's that's obviously the implication is that it's info wars or whatever right like or bright part i guess one could i the thing is it has like a reddit format so sometimes i wonder i'm just like do they know what it is that they hate or it's internet yeah it's the internet yeah i guess the internet could be fortune yeah it could be yeah as we all know the internet is anti-woman and it hates women and women are not welcome on the internet so if you just see internet in general just generally no that that's true women keep out yeah women are allowed sour tree house yeah please so every time i'm banned it's a woman's fault they turn around and they're like you faked your death and falsified identities if there were any like justice in the world you be serving blah blah blah blah she says there would be more than a civil case as if to imply it would be a criminal case it's like how isn't this a criminal case like how how isn't it that he's broken a bazillion laws why isn't it like the people against mr immortal for all the shit that he's done all the fraud but also you knew he did this he sat in your office and told you she's like oh it should be more than a civil case like are you gonna do anything about that or are you i don't know what's happening here i mean the garment would be after him for tax evasion but maybe after all kinds of things he's already broke laws while he was here with the the smashing the window and stuff like i don't understand that's fine listen it's so in the in the negotiation room at the negotiation table presumably an earshot of the opposing parties yes the lawyer and the paralegal tag team berate the client call him come suggest that they're going to settle this how they want and you're going to pay out to these women this is malpractice incarnate like this is the worst representation you could have for a client and like you're going to pay and they're like well what are we gonna do i don't know but it's gonna be fun it's like what would be fun about any of this like taking this man's money and giving it to women who are opposed to you like that doesn't make any sense from any attorney perspective wrong but that's the problem you're thinking of it from an attorney perspective and not a woman justice perspective specifically clown women and these this woman would be disbarred for this like if he filed an ethics complaint she badgered me into it made me pay more did not represent my interest forced me to settle on something i didn't want to do and and offered no alternative solutions at all this is this is what she did like oh my god it's insane uh and yeah they uh first they're just oh yeah so we'll see what they decide to go with for settling for that in a sec we'll come back first of all they're preparing for the wedding all the rehearsal i can't tell anymore didn't a bridesmaid outfit which um she like approaches these people like who friends and i'm just like are they her friends or does she hate all these people too i i never even know anymore we're just sort of going that they hand her a bundle of shirts it's like okay and she says the groomsmen were playing mario kart and they wrinkled their shirts you have to iron them them now i don't know like i don't know as a proficient mario car playing myself i'm not quite sure how you managed to deal with that much damage to your attire i don't know how you play mario car the way that you got to play as an expert pro is to be nice and chill be calm slow it down think about your strategies think about which character you're playing as what car should want to use it's not that hard to preserve the integrity of your shirts while playing mario kart okay no this this this frame actually shows exactly how it happened okay so if you notice these are all uh men of a particular body shape and look uh very very soy filled men and there's one nintendo switch so they they have done while one was playing mario kart the other three were making out and then they traded the switch around and that's what happened yeah they're playing mario kart it's like no one of them is playing mario kart the one guy was just how did he ruin his shirt just by standig what happened like what did he do and then yeah there's some people in chat benches like is this because it came so so quickly after the man baby's comments like is this the man baby's things like look the women are having to sort out all the stupid things the men are doing while they're playing video games at a wedding also they they all were wearing white undershirts like all of them were wearing white undershirts on on like presumably rental tuxedos like why so they could have this scene like you put me in a rental tux i'm not wearing a white undershirt i get too fucking warm um and yeah there's just this this thing where they're like oh how unfortunate you got an eye in the shirts damn and again it's like jenx you just say no please i don't even like you yes i know i don't do it i know fuck you um yeah and then they're like look how funny we are here's your groomsman it's a dog i just don't quite understand what's happening here especially when they make it sound like the dog's dying just like what do you well i think it is that's what i'm saying like i what's why are we doing this to the poor little critter i don't understand why is this funny to them this is like let's just mean you get long to portal that thing into a volcano or whatever if you're gonna do these multi-muscle travels send him to a vet send him away from this place yeah get him away from this way consideration for that well this well-being of this critter those are manhands i'm just saying well the dog is being manhandled okay this this dog needs to get out of here run the fuck away live a happier life all right yeah back to this scene so yeah he basically says i have loads of money thanks to inheritance or whatever um everyone can split it evenly and we can all move on it's the most bizarre like you're fucking kidding me right now what the hell i'll just give away everything i've had for my entire life apparently that's what they invited him to do it's completely disproportionate he talks about splitting up gold and his ownership of several original stock certificates from 1981 like it fortunes of money and it's like some of these the one guy was out 10 grand it's like what you're gonna give him you're gonna give like 600 000 like why nice and marry this it's such a child's view of you've annoyed these people give them a sack of money split between the solved like but you know luckily the show is very realistic and so of course it's like wait a minute i was married to him for three years you were married to him for eight years how is this fair like it shouldn't be that we get equal money it's like ooh that presents an issue which is just like yeah the the lawyers couldn't see that one coming could they they couldn't figure that out that's a complicated development incredible even so um uh the paralegal miss ramos is incredible by the way this gets uh stated a little bit later she has a solution he speaks to them all and figures out individual solutions they all agree to of differing levels of satisfaction right like and this ranges from lots of money to he smiles and looks at you with eye contact and says sorry and they're all dumb i'd rather have the money i'd rather have the money yeah they're yeah they're all dumb for not taking a one eighth share of a literal fortune exactly like it's insane that they would actually concede to these well maybe they'd know better if they had lawyers present to represent their interests but they don't why would they do that that would be crazy he tries to kill himself there too that was good right right then she has to stop him he's gonna go because they start they all start yelling about who's well how are we gonna split up this money it's not fair because i spent more time blah blah blah blah and it's like okay okay i get it but this is dumb this is just idiotic none of you have lost what he's going to give you but they're so petty and again this is women writing women characters it's this is not a man's fault the women are so petty that they're more concerned about what the person next to them is getting in comparison to them than what they're getting in comparison to their loss doesn't mean that is just embarrassing as you said if they had taken an eighth of the thing that he had described that is a shit turn compared to certainly what some of them were even entitled to like but yeah again what are you doing now what are you doing next we had a thing where i was just like almost disappointed in terms of um let's just look at it in terms of creativity with editing right so jen is walking around she's sad like can i have um drinks and it's like you have to pay and she's like oh so they do a montage cut and it's so awesome she slams down money then it cuts to her doing a dance of some kind and then another one and then slam down money and back to her doing a dance and i was thinking to myself like maybe i shouldn't set the standard at the level of edgar right reverse that shot with the five dollar bills i think so they reverse it so that the fives were backwards because i was almost about to say oh two dollar bills you don't see those those very often and then not this one it's the same shot it is no it can't be oh no this is the first shot right did you see the first shot reversed it's definitely mirrored oh you're right like it's weird to see a two dollar but then it's just if it's yeah then i left it like oh wait it's not a two dollar bill it's a five they were why didn't you just shoot oh my god because that like rotated the frame and numbers are backwards yeah the numbers are actually backwards yeah i just kept reusing the first shot i'm tired this show is still underfunded and all the text and everything's fucked yeah dude only had 12 dollars that's all they had it would have made more sense to just repeat the clip you didn't need to fucking mirror it you could have just played the same one oh you could have just arranged the money the money again the thing is like you could play the same one over and over and over again just to give the sense of like yep she was just doing the same thing every time like you know you don't have to i mean we probably still make fun of it for that but this is funnier i knew i was like that's that's amazing that you noticed it because you sold the two yeah like but it's not a two it's rare whenever i go to the whenever i go to the bank i say give me all your two dollar bills just because when you pay for cash not that you do it very much at all at least if you're me it's it's neat to give two dollar bills people think it's weird you know it's it's fun it's quirky uh so i know myself a two dollar bill and i was like wow they actually got two dollar bills for this that's weird i wonder if it meant something oh no it's reversed yeah just so for anyone in chat who's curious right because there's some people who still think this is a two go to the the corner there where you see the two i'll put my cursor on it broader here this this hang yeah you gotta go some more straightforward for people especially not americans you see that's supposed to say note but instead it looks like saw and then there's an upside down t and then a correct e like it's fucked if that two is correct which is not wait in the first shot isn't her hands at the bottom of the frame right yeah they they like they like put it upside down they mirrored it and flipped it i think yeah well so why didn't they flip it but then not in the mirror so it's not backwards but no it's just upside down i think it's just upside down uh you might yeah you know but they could have just flipped it so it was like a vertical flip and then flip it horizontal so they could have just shot another shot that's what i should have yeah but yeah was it so fucking hot for to pick up the same dollars and put them down again it was she has insurance they don't want her to get injured slamming the money down so they didn't want to spring for slamming it down twice they only had the $12 okay and have your actress get injured yeah because some people are like why why are you nitpicking so hot it's like no no no no this is indicative of how they filmed it they're lazy as hell it's funny because and it's it's a cut scene so someone had to consciously edit that do it watch what they were doing on screen and have that be the result and someone probably reviewed it too you can't just flip text that third one was the first one just zoomed in a little wasn't i think yeah i think they just zoomed in was there another one show us another one it's funny come on do it oh i think that's it now so yeah they had one shot of it and then they were like can you just show three and they're like we can't do that we haven't got three so she bought three $12 glass of champagne and now she's destroyed like she is destroyed nick i would go as far as saying they wanted to imply she bought a lot more but they couldn't go further than the three shots because they'd already pushed it with mirroring it and to begin yeah like we got so many flips we can't figure out how to use this $12 slapdown again in a different way we're really running out of ideas god so bad so anyway uh yeah like i said she figures out the best solution and everything sorted and mr invincible gets to be happy mr model yay we're who we did it it's so just they needed to fill time the the black woman with the top knot again when they get this all done she goes money money money like that and it's like god you just make everybody into shallow monsters like everybody's horrible but it's funny nick it's funny it is very funny actually so maybe you should take that into consideration being so weird amount and you're missing the uh pretty obvious here mr perfect shows up and uh and then she tells him because she's drunk now so she can overshare you just wanted to come to a wedding and show she's doing good even though she doesn't have a husband or a boyfriend and she says i'm doing so good i'm good at lawyering the law and i'm very strong and he gives and every answer he gives is exactly how you answer a really drunk woman right like he's like oh yeah i can see you're so strong like oh you bet you are really successful like and this is actually a really awkward scene for me because you know he's like you know what he's after is what you're gonna say that well no i like you know he's into her but she's acting she's acting in that really embarrassing way and it's like okay like i'm into you but like this is kind of sad is the impression that i get from him i mean maybe i'm reading it wrong but like when she's got his tie in her hand he's like yeah you're so strong like he says i think you're great and she goes you do he goes i do just like i guess i wonder maybe it's the point but it's like you said i'm strong and i'm good at lawyering it's like who are you jennifer waltz it's like who are you really like who are you what do you like what do you want like who are you you're not you're not very well characterized well and they're telling us that those the main characters just like well you're very bad at lawyering and i mean i guess i guess you are strong that's that's like an attribute that you have but it doesn't really tell me anything about you well and she made it clear you previous episode that her having power means men shouldn't think they're uh they're good enough for her does he know i think she i don't know if he knows yet well he like at the end obviously but well she doesn't know she she hook at this point i think we're supposed to assume nobody fucking knows this is so confusing like possible i know i know i walked up she walked up as she hulk when she got there was he like i don't know if he was in the scene yet or not i don't think he was i guess i guess yeah he wouldn't know about that uh he didn't be there and he's just unfamiliar with her in general well it's somewhat like if there is a if we live in a world of superheroes and a new superhero came out who was a cousin of the hulk one of the most famous heroes ever you just think everyone would know everything about this person it'd be like impossible to avoid it'd be they'd be like a celebrity you would think so yeah the show established that apparently most people don't know so yeah get fucked get wrecked sitch loser well he's just a nice guy then hashtag tm um well it's not that nice he doesn't look after her or even look to see how she handles the bombets uh yeah i really thought he was gonna be there like but no he's just like whatever well so i brought this up on uh on open bar a drinker was like nah when you're like hitting on a girl she goes and bombets you just you'll just ditch her just like i mean the thing is you'll ditch her right because that's the thing but you'll at least make sure she didn't you know fucking something really bad could happen theoretically right like you just want to make sure she's not dying or anything depends what your goal is more okay is your goal to be a good person is your goal to score well i guess we'll find out right because this guy could score we still got theories about him being evil so oh can we go with the the inconsistency where she talks about not getting like she so in the first episode you know she and bruce drink a whole shitload right and he's like yeah it's drunk when you're when you're in green form which is fine but then she wakes up and she has the worst hangover ever later in the series she's like perks of being she held no hangovers i'm like no literally not that's the opposite of what happened is that you get a really bad but never got drunk in the first place what the hell what you'll highlight in is either the reissue your highlight or a different one because if that means you don't get hangovers as long as you're in she-hulk form then you should just be in she-hulk form whenever you've got a hangover right you're like well i'll just avoid that by being brute uh she doesn't do that when she's with bruce for some reason she's like you didn't warn me about the hangovers and it's like well then just become she-hulk why wouldn't well i mean also does that even make sense like how would that even work because presumably when she's she-hulk you know she's metabolizing the alcohol away too quickly so then it should just be gone right from her system yes yes like that would be the medical explanation that you would expect i'm not making sense of that anytime soon so yeah she's vomiting and she's like oof and then titania punches her in the face uh so that's so as a lawyer this is gold yeah actually you're right you just been delivered gold this woman came up to you after you beat her in court and she assaulted you and she's rich she's really really rich it's the best thing that could ever happen to you in your whole fucking life well so some people are highlighting in her gen forms like well they seem to want us to believe that she's kind of invulnerable in her gen form oh when bruce was in the car crash he got hurt i don't know how it makes any sense either she's better than him i don't understand i'm still gonna go back to the hangover thing for one second we did an analysis of the hangover and like the the drinking and the metabolism i just want to point out she specifically says i get hangovers and then later specifically says the advantage is no hangovers like that is it's just an obvious inconsistency the advantage of being a she-hulk no hangovers like no you bitch you literally get hangovers you just you had a whole episodic bit about it how are they supposed to remember that nick come on you you ask the impossible that's what i think that you are asking a lot of them actually i didn't i wanted to say something earlier but you should chill with the expectations that you place on these these poor poor disney riders but i do i do love that she just like super strength flat out uppercuts this chick right in the face she goes flying and tumbling she's fine though like nothing's wrong no it'll be fine it's all good good to establish that nothing will be able to i'm sure that won't be contradicted at some point in future it'll be fine um yeah she says i'm gonna publicly destroy you like oh do you like i know she's a she's an incredibly stupid character titania but i don't think it looks to just beat up a person after like losing to them in court and after they stopped you from trying to murder people well i mean she got off on those charges so you know i guess so yeah like what do you hope to accomplish just like i'm cool i can beat she-hulk up okay who the fuck is titania where did you come from what what's your deal why are you super strong does anyone care shouldn't she be younger if this looks to be like an influencer like that they're making fun of did she fall into a very very offensive she's like a fifth-year-old woman or something i don't understand like fifth-year-old women can be influential like yes take a look at how many Harriet Tubman instagram influencers are right 300 and that's eras okay rosy the riveter uh yeah so she keeps telling her like turn into she-hulk no fun unless you she-hulk and everyone's obsessed with you you don't get to ruin me over something you don't even want or deserve yeah like ah see something you don't even want but does she want it hmm that is the question it's like it's not clever saying it like that at dumb that actress is 36 oh no which whoa why did you call her 50 she was decent looking in the good place they haven't they haven't done up really weird here with like her hair and her overdone eye makeup but i think someone said in the uh in the books she's like married and um has a has like some different story i don't know what the hell's going on with it oh she looks like a brandon roger's character um chat this is their attempt at doing double vision from being drunk this like i legit was like whoa this looks terrible and is it hard to do double vision you fucking kidding me that's easy you just take the frame you lower the opacity and put it on top of itself exactly and it looks pretty good most of the i've never seen anyone fail at doing double vision but this looks weird as fuck that's like weird weird i don't know um it's because it's because one frame is normal the other is moving it's closer than both moving so it looks very bizarre it's not how double vision works at least not when i've had it uh so if i have two eyes i should always have double vision check me got him then she's like uh give me a sec i'll become she-hulk hang on and they do it again her transformation is uh off screen it's always off screen because i don't have the money to do it lost a bunch and the first thing she does is crash the ground around her and then force the fight into a room filled with people yeah because imagine if titania fell on someone if she's super duper strong that might also mean like that she's very dense or otherwise heavier than she might appear she could hurt someone and remember like regular you know wait that happens in this fight yeah she does with human like you could you don't know what like you could hurt someone what are you doing and there's no she's drunk excuse either no she's she-hulk yeah that's it also this dress was right just everything wow i mean everything scales like it does you don't even need the clothes actually like scale because it always is well no it's it's weird because when she's wearing the dress earlier she's holding it like a gigantic like it was made for her to be in she-hulk form yeah but i was gonna say who provided these dresses i think it wasn't the the exactly presumably the bride like they would have to get measured out the bride provided for she-hulk but doesn't want it to be she-hulk right okay it's weird that this is in the episode where they specifically like have her wearing the dress that's supposed to conform to her size and this isn't that dress but they don't how do you fuck it up i don't know the last episode and this one we're about that like specifically as a plot element mm-hmm also bridesmaids dresses are terrible like they're they're not just ugly they're also like cheap all of them or the wow i'm just in general they're they're pretty bad but it doesn't titania doesn't have to be super dense by the way because she's even she's 100 like her molecular molecular structure even if she's a regular regular white like that you would expect she you'd still hurt someone by throwing a purse at them you know yes it's 130 pounds like jeez but he's running to her about a lot of damage it looks so bad and then just that kick and look at the momentum exchange it's like oh we're back we're fine like what well you know if you kick someone who's flying at you and it's enough to make them stop and go back it means you won't move at all that's just basic yeah as you know you'll just stand without yeah this is if you never touched it's an elastic collision but it's it's really nice and easy to do if the person you're fighting isn't the fact that you've got a crowd dude this is a hulk like do you remember what hulk does like how strong he is no she's a better hulk she doesn't have to worry about she's at least i mean she seems to be about as strong and you're all just sort of like standing here man it's and also that jen doesn't seem to care about getting this fight away from these people who are in very no he's having too much fun we are trying to have fun so how does her getting punched in the teeth by hulk not cause damage but later when she falls on her teeth is like rips yeah i can explain this is just this punch loosing them maybe maybe she actually is very dense oh i see yeah there it is where she punched it into a civilian like oh did he do why was his flip look at his all right i'm pretty sure that guy gets pushed down like in a minute as well yeah he's not having a good day there's a slow mo on this one for ranks yeah he gets destroyed how's he like how's that guy not paying attention to the fight either why did he get taken out because he's just because he's planted here for that specific purpose he's just standing there holding down everyone's like what else could you be looking at my minute yeah sorry my eyes are having trouble with this which he's teleporting right yeah i look at why does he fall like that because yes what what what on the top of his body throws itself backwards yeah and he's he changed places too he wasn't there now he's over here like they both move this is more where they were yeah like he should be flying into that table yeah like it's but he just sort of like stands still he stops her completely it's like he is punched in the face really hard from the right not that yeah he gets he gets hit from straight on but he falls backwards to the right and left it's weird like oh god it's weird well it's like he was supposed to he was flying to the table but they couldn't like he would die then so he's like we'll just fall backwards you didn't want to ruin the delicious cake which is i can appreciate they like the momentum of it would have caused so much more damage but once she reaches him he's sort of just like you do i'm fine don't worry about it because yeah i think maybe they realize halfway through like oh this is bad actually that she helped causes this but the most inaccurate part of the scene is no one is yelling world star world star also his pan is weird not his pan his tray is really weird too what goes on with this tray what goes on with flying flying off the side does it hit that woman oh no you know like how does this tray do all that like it you'd have to try it's dynamic so all these things fall around a real tray yeah i'm really to bullet bet he didn't exist right until she got punched and then they were like there he is and then because it looks long teleported him in to be fair yeah that'll be in wong's long damn you so um yeah that guy is shown yeah the bottle shown his weird reactions yeah well because i guess he's gonna be important now going forward i don't even know but what an epic epic thing there's all the episodes have been leading to this guys titania versus she hulk even the old ladies on her phone she's she's with the kids she's with technology sorry one guy in the back didn't give a shit did you see him oh my god he has to look on his face like what is happening the guy by the doorway is like oh that guy look at him back there yeah i'm making the disney extra money i'm just trying to get over and get that cake that's all i'm trying to do i'm on this side of the room the cake is on the other side of the room there's a hulk in a crazy fashion lady this is me and the cake it's a bizarre scenario the field well and jen is like standing there smiling she's not concerned about that guy that she just knocked into the table why would she be sorry he got paid oh he looks a little bit more spooked and concerned now go hey oh man oh wow that cake he's worried about that cake he's really cuz what did she trip on oh he's back to giving a shit like a dance floor thing what did she trip on now i need to know yeah it was ice from the champagne holder yeah are you sure what is this guy doing he's like rubbing his hands together he's thinking about little beans he's like yes he's concocting a plot if one of them falls unconscious she's coming home with me so yeah uh she flips out because everyone's recording there while they're she fucked up over the years and then she's like you only have 50 followers and then pushes over the guy that she hit earlier and then steals the cake and runs away i don't i don't know what they want me to feel anymore you know that's right she's that's why that guy had the false so weird is because they couldn't destroy the cake because she and why did they have the cake behind there at all yeah just because she knew anywhere in that room they couldn't find the guy really wanted to steal it though yes they grabbed on the way out yeah it could have been to the side you know it didn't have could have been on the other side surely yeah listen they they only filmed her putting down 12 dollars once rex okay that's true kind of CGI is so bad it is so bad yeah very much it does give off Fiona vibes every once in a while like it does yeah like it's so inconsistent like sometimes it's all right and then sometimes it really doesn't look real at all like entirely on a queen well Fiona will probably look about this good in the newer shrek movies are they making more it's just that the whole world will match here so that would be why oh no oh sorry yeah we got the we got the big payoff she's she hulk in the wedding when she said she wouldn't be and she's pulled attention away even though the more pressing matter would probably be the fucking fight but the guy with the the guy with the medical emergency on the floor yeah okay something if if she doesn't want a superhero to draw attention away why would she invite titania to the party did she titania was an aunt she was an and one the grooms grooms friend broader as an and one how would a coincidence that she came here just to fuck with she was there though so clearly she was she was happy remember yeah she didn't seem to complain yeah you know what that's actually a really good point titania showing up at all is just an attention hog shortly kind of distracting yeah super famous she didn't seem to care she didn't seem to love it which is reflected here where she says oh my god i love that you're she hulk and because she's drunk always chill in the end i guess it was all cool it worked out in the end yeah you should just be she hulk it's so terrible because the whole setup of this episode is like oh she's treating jen like shit jenny's to stand up for herself and then there's no payoff because at the end there's no like resolution of that conflict so she drunken doesn't recognize her no she's resolution no big deal basically no but like no like jen stands up for herself and says yeah that friend uh i don't know i don't know what the arc is meant to be there isn't one back yeah remembering that she did show up as she hulk originally was berated for doing it as being too distracting and then the bride comes back and she's like i'm so happy she looks like you knew she was at your wedding you told her not to be she's drunk in the scene right i don't know if that i guess where's her damn husband it could be that they're trying to say she recognizes now is not the time to complain about it she should celebrate it like optically it's the better choice or they could just be like no she just really does like she hulk and that's a more honest pov coming out because she's drunk i don't know we don't know it's not enough information yeah i don't know you're right we never see the bride we never see the groom do we never know yeah i would say have the groom steal attention away from has the wedding happened yet or i don't know if the wedding even like has it happened yet or not i don't know who knows it is bizarre that we don't see the groom though that is legitimately very strange um i assume this is the party after the ceremony because you don't dream that it was right yeah because you have the ceremony it was boring you had to sit through that bullshit if you have a party before how do you yeah now they're using a safari browser i guess so there's a couple things i thought were interesting about this first of all the website design is hideous like what is this what is the navigation of it it doesn't look like there's any options you just see five trending things and that's it they are the web what do you we are the web so that's pretty cringe too but it says at the top intelligentsia trending videos now what is his top 10 best travel destination like that could be a video sure 24 hour loop of countryside driving yeah that's a video slutty she helps like that seems like it would be images but fine i can make it seem like that'd be number one but then you got we're recreating famous artworks like are you sure these are videos seems like these are pictures it seems like they're really into travel um art and just relaxing scenery yeah it was funny right at the best travel destinations it's like gosh these people need to be stopped oh is this just cozy dot tv i don't know i don't exactly know what they're trying to make fun of like i said yeah i thought i thought they're sort of trying to say that intelligentsia was some kind of four-chan man-baby but it's just like random stuff this is the public viewing one they eventually sign in and that's when they find out the spooky stuff we'll do the the public-facing one first so this is how people found out about him i'll show you all the horrific conspiratorial stuff well yeah because they try to sign in on something and they don't let them and then they eventually sign in but so this is the account they create username she-hulk underscore sucks nice and then first name anonymous last name lol no city internet country no way choose your interests bigfoot bitcoin usa exercise protein ufo proteins pretty if you're you're into being healthy fuck you it just sounds so like disconnected because you can see how they grab these tags but the simultaneously is like oh and so you got um i'm super into cryptocurrency and elk hunting even though my last gf dumped me over it but like she was so gross she was 30 you oh like dating girls in your 30s it's a nightmare because once a girl turns 30 which is worthless in the eyes of civilization when you when you get that that many references to you like uh writers i'm sorry you couldn't go hurt you know like i was yeah i mean what else is this it's just bleeding in i didn't get i didn't the the elk hunting in the ufo is supposed to be like a joe rogan thing i don't know it's so random like is elk hunting a big crypto thing i've never heard before i don't deal with my crypto currency so here's the evil vision cancel she hulk we are the web still there yeah she hulk should be cancelled she discriminates against anyone she doesn't who doesn't share her pathetic man hating worldview if she were a man she would be canceled already think about it the question oh you're not strong what are they referring to though like the fact that she like knocked a guy like titanian to a guy and gave him a concussion oh is that what it is well then they'd be right yeah wait no this is this is in slash cars i just want to point out that's the sub thread that it's in so they're really just pissed off about the car she smashed into or the no wait that was mr immortal okay never mind i can't figure it out yeah why the fuck is it slash cars and why is that the number one thing on there because the trending channels are she hulk images heroes movies memes but the number one viewed thing the top post is cars what what's the deep cutting joke i don't understand but yeah so you don't know who you're making fun of so this is the thing consider all the episodes you've seen what do the public know about she hulk's like well she saved a bunch of people from being killed by titania like all right well it's like um well she's had a few cases you could be considered pretty public where she's had to stop a crazy magician from ending the world he got that guy released from prison she's yeah blonsky she got him on his parole she and she sought out a trademark against so like you could say that she stopped i guess like what she she represented men and defeated women in court this one i was about to summarize that way pretty much like what do you mean she's manhating like where you because she kind of she says some really cringe shit but those scenes were private like they're not they're not so like in this world what are they trying to cancel her for because she's a woman yeah being a woman but so this is where it gets to be like just oh this is just cringe because like you do why would they they wouldn't hate her yet she doesn't set anything publicly that's like really stupid like or even can be interpreted one direction or the other she's barely got a public presence at all so why is there a website equivalent of this for black widow was there when she was alive what about a gamora or the black widow side was way hotter these i was about to say like every all of them right is why is it only she helped us getting this treatment there's loads of female heroes now in that one scene uh we saw about two or three black widows oh man oh good i like that thank you why is there logo a hulk with a crown i'm not sure they like hulk they don't like she helped when you were like it's not just that one but you still dumb and then her eyes are crossed out that's a really great meme that's a death threat okay i don't that's it our heroes or well i guess the equivalent of the heroes separate i that's the meme from the boys no it is yeah these are the corporate memes they don't know how they work they they've seen memes but they don't know how to make them they're like when you are hulk but you stupid and then show a picture we did it um okay i didn't realize memes are so difficult so the next post someone just shoot she hulk why hasn't anyone just done this it's not that complicated bro kill the bitch already so we can move on i'm so sick of hearing about this bitch that's really that's it seems excessive i just why do they want to kill me so much what's going on why is she annoyed anybody she doesn't do anything also how do you shoot she hulk i'm well with a gun obviously yeah idiot so we got some more guilty of guilty of dressing like a man that's true oh when you were hulk but you still done they did that one already but they thought it was such a banger they repeat it this is so clever wants equality still wants you to pay for dinner yeah true god i'm a good point where's yoga pants mad when you look oof yeah where did she wear a yoga pants i don't know how do we swatch she hulk do standard police weapons kill her can we just swat her and get rid of her eight reasons why she hulk needs to die how do we kill she hulk what the f**k is going on i've heard of swatting i've heard of that they think that on like some place like reddit there's just all these public death threats against celebrities or something that's just like one walking away to see like killing this woman that no one knows anything about like what thousands of upvotes like what the f**k like i said if she had said something publicly there super controversial i could maybe understand crazy people posting this but like i just don't get it why are they so angry at her and not anyone else 11 000 upvotes i get wow very popular how do you keep this a secret uh but uh yeah i guess it's just because she's a woman that's the angle that the show's going for yeah if she hulk and the real hulk got into a fight the hulk would totally kick her butt no questions that yes the people talking about murdering her would say kick her butt but it's it's also true as we watched like that that actually happened in the show that hulk hulk pieced her up um in the first episode they got in their fight at the end did she went i thought if anything when there was comparisons of their abilities like she out clapped him um she managed to like beat him well no she did a bunch of little claps to beat his one big clap yeah but i guess it was a draw in the end maybe i i suppose yeah we couldn't say that one is stronger than the other necessary i interpreted that he wasn't trying really at all to hurt her bitch well you should have interpreted as they've knew i mean he throws a rock into like space what makes you think she can't do that you sexist should have thrown her into space and said just in the damn show could have saved hulk and the hero but he chose to be the villain by letting her live um so it was on he was the bigger man okay the big it goes on it says i don't know what i'd even do if i saw them fighting though lol i might have to get in the ring with them and beat up she helped myself because she's not even strong so how old is the person who wrote that like it was me it was me sorry guys it was me god it's so embarrassing i guess that's what they're going for but i they they were embarrassed they made these characters embarrassing but not in the way that they no wanted see this is the thing you probably thought i meant in universe how old was the character the rotate but i'm actually asking how old is the writer oh 38 with with 15 cats so they're like don't tell her about intel intelligence here it's scary and then she's like i won't and then does nice because it's death threats and it's all it's all spooky wait scene where she tells her it's she's not talking to anybody she's in the car she's here answer machine i thought it was the idea yeah it's a voicemail oh okay an idiot rags pay attention this is she i i don't understand technology i saw her driving and i assume that's all she could be doing with technology um so yeah uh they're eating chips here in uh guy and then it turns out they're being watched by an evil organization which is why by the way i think that he could be evil he could line up but it's his camera or something else but uh he only has one imdb credit though i see so yeah the the the planning on injecting it with the old i guess vibranium syringe to get it blood and that is the end of the episode i do like the very comical radioactive sticker on the box well how else are they supposed to know it looks like they got at the dollar store to make sure you understand look at all the bubbles underneath it they probably did just slap that on right before they hit the chord so we are caught up to she-hulk which we will not be in literally actually right now i think i think the newest newest episode comes out like right now so so much for staying so much for staying ahead huh well i'm gonna run off to watch it immediately oh my god it might be dead devil's episode yeah devil probably not though if that clip was any indication be something else abomination episode right yeah that's actually a good point probably so dead of was probably eight and then you have your bombastic finale with some really cool action scenes abomination throws daredevil uh and they team they wouldn't think it was riding in this show they might well they might save daredevil to be like the very end like the season two teaser daredevil's gonna be it nah he'll have like a whole episode you think okay yeah there's enough stuff in those trailers that indicates that he'd be like an episode like that'd be a whole episode with him so i i imagine that i'll bring him back if they can because i mean again we know that there's a good chunk of people who'll be watching it just to see him yeah they're there is aware of it as we are dude after the grace randolph thing it's just over we lost it's we did lose yeah that that it's like man there were no easter eggs in andores so like i'm not really sure like who this is gonna how am i supposed to talk about a show with no easter eggs how am i supposed to give it a show and for those of you who are complaining about this like for those of you who are upset about this remember in in rogue one there wasn't easter egg it was the death star it's not like that was just the plot that was an easter egg that's an easter egg the discourse on meteor is ruined it's ruined as stewie would say ruined oh man yeah ruined a sad rough experience but hey we we got through both episodes and and a summary of it which i think came to six hours by the way so nice uh was there anything there's only three mentioned that either sitch or rikita want to talk about no i mean i i got hung up a long time ago on just the lunatic depictions that they have of the they caricaturize women worse than i could and and like i have a pretty good imagination but they roll over and then and then the and then the like the way they they they picture men and uh and and the interactions with them it's like here you have you you set this guy up as this quality guy and then you're like shitting on him two seconds later when he's like hey we had a nice time but you know i'm not super into this aspect of you which you completely did not tell me about up until just now um but i hope i hope everything goes well for you and it's like what a piece of shit that guy is like Jesus woman you just completely lied to him like our protagonist he's a fucker yeah and all all of these people are terrible and like all of the women in the show are terrible and insufferable i don't i don't get it i don't get how you can like write a pro female show and actually have it be this terrible yeah and i really wouldn't want to champion it you want to this is one of those ones you just like just just let this one go yeah let this one fucking go here does the fuck up um it will not be looked at back upon fondly do you think it'll get a season two before and rewatch it yeah i i could say that happened and i think we have season i could also see it happening which makes me sad yeah i guess nowadays i don't know that anything needs to be that successful right as long as it retains subscribers that's the most important part well good news is reacher i guess reacher got a season two so that's actually good news there are some good things out there remember that well not all on fire yeah this slog through the the sea of shit to find the the couple jails you know hey i know they shoot rings of power right everyone's liking that oh jeez that's true that's true that show is really great i really like you excited for us to break that down in a couple of days i think even no i'm really not i mean as you can tell right me yeah it is gonna take longer and this was already pretty fucking painful have you guys watched any episodes yet i haven't seen six yeah i've seen five six is out tomorrow right oh wait no i haven't seen five and then six is tomorrow so i need to watch yes i have to see him both so whoo yeah don't worry i can i can watch him again with your eyes i gotta do my notation hooray it makes it easier it's you're like alcohol it makes the show i know we'll say in a sense rings of power has been getting more interesting to talk about the worst it's getting as a show yeah well it has been getting worse so in a sense yeah that does make it whereas like she hawk is a pretty painful show i gotta say i uh i really don't like it i it's frustrating i enjoy rings of powers badness more than i enjoy she um i i would say that i enjoy rings of powers badness more but i i i was about to say rings of mark yeah um but i think um i mean i i think rings of power is boring i've said that i find it pretty boring yeah but the longer it's gone on the more it started to sort of have problems that i guess like it's it's beginning to contradict itself more because it's established more so that there's more to talk about yeah um i i i would say that both of these shows are very hollow and vacuous and don't need to like they're both they're both vacuous but in different ways with with rings of power it's like they didn't have a story they wanted to tell but they needed to tell a story anyway and with she hawk it's like you have nothing to say really what you've created is utterly vapid and nobody's gonna rewatch it it will come and then it will go and then that's that's like the end of it it won't be talked about fondly it won't be rewatched it it is it is perhaps like the the marvel stuff has reached a new level of disposability that they didn't even have before um which i think they've had for a while in terms of disposability but like thought love and thunder and this in particular are just incredibly disposable they just exist to like satiate you for some period and then and then it's gone but you're not really excited to have a laughing yeah it is it's like it'll tide you over and keep you ideally right for the marvel will keep you invested enough in marvel that you'll continue to you know pay to watch the movies and retain your disney plus subscription but as for any lasting people rewatch iron man people rewatch avengers and guardians um i mean obviously we have a perspective on the winter soldier but people do rewatch the winter soldier people rewatch the older films but i don't see anybody just on a day gone man you know what would be really cool to rewatch shang chi and the legend of the ten rings or you know what tv show i'd really like to give another spin at loki i just don't see it um and good art endures but like nothing that's being made endures because it's not it's not really the purpose it serves the purpose is to be as as uh gripping but not in a positive way as attention grabbing uh as it needs to be to serve the purpose it has right now and once that's over who cares and it's uh it's it's really damaging the uh the material i can't imagine watching i can't imagine watching that show right oh loki after what we said yeah well loki and and rings of power like either oh god it's a great buffet we're waiting for you but i mean it's it's a nice little contrast when you've got house of the dragon is a story with characters and or at least based on the what which is an effect are you not we you were in the call for any we thought about i i don't think i'd watch the show by when you were critic no no i mean i mean you you were literally in that call with me and molly we are oh right yeah but when was that what episode were we up to uh i don't know what was it episode three at that point oh yeah yeah now now i remember yeah that's true but well now that we're six more we got three more episodes we're doubled the way further in how do you feel about my feeling is the same as it's always been it's an okay show that i think is propped up by how bad rings of power is i think it's i think it's a i think it's a math to okay we don't know that combination well uh this is this is one of the times where i was sent several messages about how bad your house the dragon takes where and i was like is this a lie or is this true and then i checked the vaudean lots of the comments for about how you and adam are wrong so that means it's true okay i think that had been pretty painful though as somebody who likes that show is i've noticed on twitter it's like man the discourse surrounding that show just kind of baffles me feel like we're not watching the same show i will say that a lot of my mehness about house of dragons it's not that it's like a bad well there's some there's some giant fuck upside thing that i we didn't talk about because it wasn't out yet like uh you know christen kohl beating a guy to death in front of everyone everyone's fine with it but mostly my mehness about it is i just i want a character that i either can root for or find interesting enough to watch and i just don't i don't get that you don't you don't root for cirrus you don't like you know like well he's gonna die so i mean i don't whatever we might do that's like what i don't know if we want to uh table it for another time possibly i guess i guess it will evolve uh but hey i mean you know it just makes sense that andles the only other one we haven't really said anything about there's a fourth episode out well we'll we haven't seen yes we're checking that out yeah i want to check it out you and adam hate that i like the concept of like the beginning of it but then i i feel like it's just gonna go i feel like this is gonna become terrible i like i like in the beginning how not star wars it feels but it now feels like it's just gonna be all like oh you have to join the rebellion and fight the empire for the 20 billionth time and it's just we shouldn't solve like a million times i don't need another i don't need a prequel for a prequel essentially i'm not super thrilled with those arguments do you like and know what you know what sitch it's it's we're it we're glad it seems like it's uh yeah more complaints about it conceptually rather than like what it is and also like to some extent i guess judging it like it almost can't exist as it is because there are other stories that are bad that try to do what it wants to do wait well hold on wait are you guys like that i was i was told you guys hated it so i was oh who told that okay i lied to me because uh that's really funny um everyone's like because we actually mean i've gotten a long argument because because basically i watched it and i was like oh you know there's things i liked about it but overall i thought it was okay and then he he like pointed all these flaws in it that made me like it less and he was like oh everyone's saying it's terrible you know i was listening to to all these people so i was pointed out what satchas i'm curious because they're um okay well like like one of the like one of the one of the big ones is um you know when uh they're they're in the third episode when the cops are like they just randomly arrest the girlfriend for no reason like the entire town is running away from them and this guy's like oh this girl she's running away from us arrest her for no reason and then her idiot boyfriend just basically commits suicide by cop for no reason uh yeah that's that's um yeah wait i'm pretty sure we all agree on that one i mean the things i liked about i liked i liked in the beginning i liked the beginning a lot in that um first of all i liked that it was like a weird cyberpunk city that didn't feel very star warsy i like that there's like this weird star wars sex brothel which i didn't expect to see on uh disney plus show and i liked how the i liked the exciting incident you could show it to kids they just think it's a bar what is the conceptually like but i like the inciting i liked his first fight because when it first starts to happen i thought oh you know this is you can be the other scene in the movie or the tv show where the bad guy gets to beat up or the good guy gets to beat up the asshole guys in the bars to show that he's a badass but then it subverts that because it's like nope he accidentally kills this guy and then the other guy's pleading for his life and he shoots him in the face and i was like oh this is this is refreshing this is not what i would have expected in a star warshow but i just liked it and it wasn't even a dead woman and he liked it i know but i'm just i'm worried because then when they have scars guard come in and he's all like you have to join the rebellion you know it's like oh like i like the things that are not star wars about it and it feels like it's going into all the star wars crap in the future that's the empire and the rebellion are literally like unavoidable with a character whose destination is joining the rebellion and fighting the empire i know because it's a prequel i know i know but what i'm suggesting is like that's not because it's sound it's like grace randolph where she's like i want random bullshit thrown in that star wars the the stuff that they can get away with i think is the stuff that should be there the empire should be mentioned you know and the resistance has to come maybe table because rikita you you have to uh you gotta you must you need to depart well actually yeah that's not even madly timed because uh the ifaf is gonna have to end for several reasons at this point anyway so oh okay lines up um well you know what we had the the first thing i probably want to do is say hey rikita thank you so much for joining us and for being a fam fabulous guest and i apologize it's been so long since i got asked to get you on here oh well regrettable thank you for having me on here and uh as a makeup for pennants for not having me on soon or just have me on again well i was gonna say are you interested in coming on to cover the rebating three episodes of she yeah son of a bitch now that's a monkey's pull yeah uh yeah probably just let me let me know i guess i'd be in a couple like what three four weeks something i'll um i'll be able to send you a message before tomorrow about what day it'll be i'll figure it out uh calendar wise just got to figure out when the episodes are out by then i would be i would be down in theory so as long as the scheduling works out man uh come yeah oh well you shall exchange dm's but before you go do you want to quickly tell people why they should run over to your channel and subscribe and listen stream and flume everybody who's here likes things that take forever uh that's what i do every single night i do uh live streams from 11 p.m not tonight uh but 11 p.m central time to 2 a.m central time at the minimum sometimes they go you know till 3 4 5 6 in the morning really just depends on the subjects and the guests but uh we talk law we talk culture we talk politics we talk uh humanity and we have a lot of jokes and laughs so if you're into that type of stuff come check it out we eat well um i guess as well sitch do you want to do want to mention what you're in and up to before everyone knows what i'm about here he has awful media takes and cringe politics takes as you can see as you've just witnessed he is terrible you know what when they say i i just put up my indoor video today you can watch and cry about it we can talk about it on stage for the things that you will punish you for your takes eventually unless you line up and i don't know i'm curious i mean i guess right of time i'm curious to what you guys like about it then because it feels like you like different things about it than i liked but maybe maybe but i'm sure we'll get around to it eventually yeah um well i mean all right i'll try and get your uh your link in the description as well for the reupload i'm gonna try and stitch these things together i think at this point uh rags friends anything you guys wanted to say not uh no no i don't think so well all right anything yet nah um it's a little unfortunate that we are once again adding to the backlog but as efab fans will know you've been getting almost a lot more episodes recently because we had a lot more things to cover which is ill timed of all times of the year to do because i've had loads of extra work to do with getting the halloween stuff in motion and that's on top of the fact that i want to do my my yearly like spooky game stream as well as i want to play all the god of wars before ragnarok comes out i've got all this i'm trying to build this giant calendar that i can apply all of these things to as well as just getting on with regular stuff so um wednesdays i think that was the last wednesday additional efab but i could be wrong about that i have to check the uh the calendar but you know wednesdays will turn back into us trying to catch up on superchats now um but i've got them all saved and we will definitely get to all of them we will catch up again it's gonna happen maybe this time it'll stay that way for a little longer than a day but um yeah we're gonna head out at this point thank you all so much for keeping this company for the kind donations and for of course the the back and forth about good old she-hulk a legendary show that we like i said we got three episodes left and once they're out well we'll see you again until then good bye everybody and good night good bye see you see you later oh my goodness