 Good afternoon, Mayor. I can try to have you test your microphone, see if what I just did helped over here. Good afternoon, Mayor. If I can have you unmute yourself just so I can test your microphone, see if what I just did on my end is working. Good afternoon, Vice Mayor. Still having some problems hearing, let's see. Can you hear me? Yes, we can all hear you, Mayor. I'm just making sure she said she can't hear and I talk loud so she can't hear me, she can't hear anybody. You are right about that. Did you get my picture? Okay. I did, thank you. We'll circulate later today when I have the final. Okay, perfect. I see Council Member Alvarez is in the audience so we'll need to promote him. Just so you know, every single Council Member signed on. I'm going to go to Council Member Alvarez to panelist. It looks like we have our staff and we have our Council Members. Okay, I will go ahead and call us to order. Do you want to take the roll? Of course, we have Council Member Alvarez. Can you guys hear me? There you go. We can. I can't hear you guys. If you go down to the bottom where it says mute, there's a little carrot. And for your microphone or your speaker, I was just having the same problem. Believe me, today's been my day. Natalie, how are you? Good, Eddie. I think we're all here then. Yes. All right. Do we have any announcements before we jump in? We do have approval of the minutes. Did either of you get a chance to look at the November 18th, 2020 minutes? And if so, do you have any corrections, changes, anything you'd like to see? I'm saying nothing. So without objection, we'll show those as adopted unanimously by the subcommittee. So we'll move on to public comment for items not on the agenda. That's number four. So let's go ahead. I see a couple of hands starting to raise. If you are interested in providing public comment today in this forum, go ahead and hit the raise hand feature on your zoom or hit star nine. If you are on the phone, calling in and want to make some comments as well. You'll have three minutes to address the council. And we'll start with Woody. We'll start with Woody. Followed by Jenny. Let me just make a quick announcement. A countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so. Your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown or at the conclusion of your comment. Just one moment. Thank you. Thank you. What do you have enabled your speaking permissions? Okay. I just unmuted. Can you hear me? I can. Please identify yourself for public record. If you so choose and your time begins now. Great. Thanks so much. Thanks for having me. My name is. Woody Hastings. I live in unincorporated Sonoma County. And I'm speaking today as, as a resident of Sonoma County, not on behalf of any organization. I am the co-coordinator of the coalition opposing new gas station. So actually I am speaking for the coalition opposing new gas stations. I should say that. And I did speak in November. And what I said then was that it would be great if the committee could take up an issue that is important to the coalition. And that is a discussion around looking at. And I think it's important to have an ordinance to at least highly place new restrictions on the development of new gas stations in the city of Santa Rosa. If not an outright ban. And the reason for that is that new gas stations are still being proposed and we're in the midst of a climate crisis. Two of them are in the city of Santa Rosa. And I think it's important to be aware of that. And I'm not talking on those, but we think this Santa Rosa should update its rules around new permits to really restrict, if not ban, new applications coming in for that. Some late breaking news is just the other night, the city of Petaluma adopted a climate action framework that includes one of their points is to make their moratorium on new gas stations permanent. And that effectively would make it a ban. And I think it's important to be aware of that. And I think it's important to be aware of that. And I think it's important to be aware of that when it comes to council. But it looks like city of Petaluma is on track to ban. New permits for new gas stations coming in. So that's the main thing. I really would just like to see it agendized so we can have a discussion. The coalition opposing new gas stations has provided previously. To members of the city council. If you're not interested in outright ban, some of the new requirements that you could impose that would, you know, make it very difficult to, you know, to build a new gas station in Santa Rosa, you could put, you know, could develop an ordinance of that nature. That's pretty much it. Thanks very much for the opportunity to speak. I let go the rest of my time. All right. Thank you, Woody. Thank you very much. I really appreciate your comments and just for the public, we do intend to bring that back. That'll work with staff. It'll either be at our next meeting for discussion for the, for the subcommittee, or it'll be a one of our next ones after that, but we'll find a time and for sure we'll bring that back. Next we have Jenny followed by Mike. Good afternoon. Can you hear me? Yep. Go ahead, Jenny. Great. Thank you very much. I'm going to start with a question that you would be bringing this forward. My name is Jenny Blaker. I live in Katati and I'm a co-coordinator of the coalition opposing new gas stations, con gas. First of all, I'd like to thank you all very much for the important work that you do on this committee to bring about practical changes at the local level in response to the climate crisis. That is what we're trying to do as well. I would like to thank you for the, for the support that you have provided. I know that it was a great day which I sent to each of the councilors individually, as well as to staff. So I hope you received it with a letter requesting that you agendize considering a draft ordinance to end the permitting of new gas stations in the city of Santa Rosa together with some policy points to discuss. As well, would he said a lot of this already, but I think we have enough gas stations already. Our main objection to new gas stations is that they will inevitably prolong our dependency on fossil fuel infrastructure into the future when we should instead be focusing on land use planning to reduce the need for cars and promoting safe, reliable, affordable public transportation using clean fuels and safe connected accessible infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists. There are a number of color and indigenous communities are disproportionately affected by air, water and soil pollution due to the fossil fuel industry, whether at the point of extraction because of the construction of pipelines across the county or at the refineries. There are often many other local site specific impacts including air pollution, leaking underground storage tanks, traffic safety and congestion issues and health issues and on and on. Congas has so far successfully opposed three gas stations in the county. Two or three more are pending right now in Santa Rosa. Rather than waste time, energy and money opposing individual gas stations and having the staff waste time and money processing them, we would like to see the passage of an ordinance that stops or severely restricts the permitting of any new gas stations in the future. We would be happy to offer a presentation and provide more detailed information on the negative impacts of gas stations on human health, the environment and the economy. Thank you very much for your time and we hope to be able to address this subcommittee on this topic in the future. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much, Jenny. We'll go to Mike and followed by Kevin. Mike, I have enabled your speaking permissions. Do you see the timer on your screen? Yes, I do. Perfect. Please identify yourself for public record. If you so choose and your time begins now. Thanks, Kelly. This is Mike Turgeon and I'm with friends of the climate action plan, a resident of Santa Rosa. First, I'd like to thank you, mayor for bringing new voices to the. Subcommittee in the form of Ms. Rogers and Mr. Alvarez. Well appreciated. And my request may already have been taken into consideration. So I'll make it short Monday, the regional climate protection authority and the Sonoma County transportation authority unanimously approved endorsing the climate safe California campaign. When Ellie Cohen of the climate center here in Santa Rosa made her presentation. And so my, my desire would be to have the climate action subcommittee take it up as soon as possible. And the, the whole gist of the, of the document itself is to secure local endorsements as the climate center uses this vehicle to lobby in Sacramento towards state policy to help us speed up the process of addressing the climate change. So thank you very much for the work you guys are doing. Well appreciated. I'll see the rest of my time. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Mike. We'll go to Kevin followed by Mark. Okay. Thank you. I do see the timer. Thank you, Kelly. First of all, welcome to Natalie Rogers and Eddie Alvarez. To the council and to the climate action subcommittee. Thank you for meeting and best of luck to you guys this year and accomplishing much needed and very urgent. I would like to hear your thoughts on what you think of the agenda. My brief comment is that I, I'd hope to see on each agenda. When you meet a section that might be titled old business. For example, there was some action taken around the idea of having a municipal microgrid. Brought before the council at large. And there's no status update. So I, I don't know. Seem to be hanging kind of a limbo. And that would be also true. If you do. agendize that after that is done I would hope to have follow-ups at concurrent meetings as to what the status of congas is and I also encourage you to support the climate safe California I know mayor that you saw and heard Ellie Cohen's presentation I thought it was absolutely excellent if a little bit scary but I think that what they have going at the climate center is very important and I hope that the climate action subcommittee is in full support of what they're doing thank you thank you Kevin and just as a quick note we do have goal-setting that is coming up and one of the things that we regularly do and council members just received today their first draft update which does walk through and categorize the things that have been in progress and sort of where they sit so that we can see the full scope of work that has been accomplished and the next steps so keep an eye out for that Kevin next we'll go to mark mark I have enabled your speaking permissions do you see the timer on your screen I sure do perfect your time begins now thank you Kelly yeah let's see since since all the good comments are taken yeah I pretty much just echo what's what's been stated before about getting getting that congassing getting the gas ordinance on the agenda and sounds like it's going to happen looking forward to seeing what's happening on the status of the of the municipal microgrid and so on and so yeah I'll just take a quick opportunity to to say that we're looking forward to very much Mayor Rogers council members Alvarez and and Rogers welcome to the welcome to the to the committee and friends of the climate action plan is looking forward to very much to working with you and looking forward to a great year ahead and dealing with the some very important issues so thanks so much thank you mark there anybody else who would like to speak on public comment today for items that are not on the agenda seeing none at Cali did we have any voicemail recordings prior to the meeting no voicemail or email public comment great I will close public comment and I'll bring it back to the to the council vice mayor council member do either of you have any opening comments that you kind of want to make and now that you're on the committee quick hello to folks or should we move on to item number five oh we'll always use the opportunity to say hello and thank you for those that have spoke for welcoming us and we are happy well I'm happy to go ahead and learn more about the climate and how I can support and assist and be available because we we only have one earth and we need to preserve it so thank you guys for welcoming us member well I just want to echo what Natalie just said and if I add anything it's it's that we have a community who's very concerned about the climate and I'm thankful for that I personally come from an area where where this is something I won't say it's new but it's something that we haven't really wrapped our arms fully around so I think the the the community for educating me so I can actually kind of echo the sentiments and the concerns to my community so with that thank you for taking the time to educate me to prepare me for for the conversations that I'm going to be having with my fellow council my fellow neighbors and friends well thank you both so much for not just being willing to serve on this committee but for both talking about advocacy and wanting to be a part of something something that's really been over the last year effective in moving policy forward here in Santa Rosa so we are looking forward to it I did mention some of the things that'll be coming I'll be working with staff to make sure that we get those scheduled and we will likely also next week or excuse me next meeting be scheduling an agenda item to take in input on what else we should be working on to see what ideas are out there and with that we will move to item five item 5.1 our update on converting street lights to LEDs we'll be presenting yeah Mike if you want to take it away yeah thank you Mayor Rogers and Kelly do you have the presentation yep I'm bringing it up right now one moment please do you see the the presentation on your screen yeah looks great perfect take it away thank you I'm Mike Bimedy associate traffic engineer in the transportation and public works department I've worked on the streetlight program since 2009 and I'm here to give you an update on the status of the conversion to LED next slide please the Santa Rosa is in an advantageous position as it owns and maintains its streetlight infrastructure and as a result has been able to install different street light fixtures without the need to go through PG&E so during two previous economic downturns street lights were turned off to address budget shortfalls by 2014 approximately 4,600 street lights have been turned off or put on timers and the timers are where the street lights were off from midnight to 5 30 a.m. so at the same time LED technology and street lights had matured with cost decreasing and the efficiency increasing enough to justify their installation next slide please starting in 2015 street lights were converted to LED and to date 13,700 street lights have been converted and three million dollars has been spent on the project the savings in energy is four million kilowatt hours which is equivalent to 2,967 metric tons of greenhouse gases the program also saves approximately five hundred thousand dollars per year in energy in the first few years of program PG&E also had a rebate incentive which resulted in rebate checks tolling three hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars which went back to the general fund so to compare the efficiencies of LEDs with high pressure sodium fixtures the first fixtures that we installed with the program they went from 70 watt high pressure sodium to 25 watt LEDs while keeping the same light output the payback period from energy savings for most of the fixtures was four to five years and that was easily covered by the warranties on those fixtures the expected lifespan of the street light fixtures is up to 20 years and I do want to mention that the project to this point has been completed entirely in house by city staff next slide please the vast majority of street lights in Santa Rosa are the overhead fixtures that we call coberhead style the LED conversions for those street lights replaces the entire fixture so that part of the LED conversion has been complete and the LEDs that are left to convert are the various decorative fixtures that are not currently in the Santa Rosa standards and those are spread throughout the city instead of replacing the entire fixture these LEDs LED conversions will replace the existing light bulb with an LED equivalent while this sounds easier this can often be more costly as custom or semi-custom LED bulbs need to be used where space is limited within a fixture due to advances in LED technology the efficiency has actually improved and energy savings is anticipated to be greater for the remaining fixtures than it was for the previous fixtures there are 1,300 street lights left for the conversion which will cost an estimated $600,000 to complete the projected energy savings is 400,000 kilowatt hours which equates to 287 metric tons of greenhouse gas reduction due to higher anticipated costs the payback for these fixtures is approximately six to seven years and the LED conversion project had been fully funded and programmed to complete during this fiscal year however that funding was reallocated to pay for other council priorities in July of 2020 next slide please and I'm happy to answer any questions at this time great council members do you have any questions council member alvarez go ahead thank you mayor in regards to the 400,000 kilowatt hours what what does that equate to the savings that I understood the tons and what price per kilowatt are we currently paying and I have a few other questions as well sure as far as what the equivalents are in vehicle miles traveled or or number of households I don't have that information at my fingertips now but I could definitely get that to you similarly with the price paid per kilowatt hour I don't have that ready well I'm doing pretty good and if I can if I can ask you questions that you were ready I'm doing homework man another question for you do we have any insight into what the technology is coming to play other than LED because it's my understanding that really when it comes to the high pressure or the HPS LED blows it out the water so to speak especially with the lumens and and really the the heat that's being dispersed by by the HPS and the older days so I'm very happy to see that we have made the conversion to the LED lights and I'm wondering if there's anything that we should be paying attention to in regards to technology advancements yeah that's that's a good point we before we did the conversion to LED we did explore some of the other technologies one of them being induction that technology has been far surpassed by the LED technology so we're glad that that we didn't embrace induction entirely and and so you know most of our pictures are LED and I think going forward the efficiency improvement in LED is only going to get better and at this time I don't know of any other different types of technology that would surpass it but certainly we will we will keep monitoring the state of LED and and other streetlight technology and make sure to adopt what's best for center of the perfect my last question in regards to the rebates that we stated in the presentation I take it it's only one time rebate it's not nothing that that is broken down through a five-year process or anything of that nature is it no it took some time for us to receive those rebates but that was a one-time and the my understanding is the PG&E incentive program has not been in use for several years now thank you sir nice mayor do you have any questions no great thank you Mike I just did want to appreciate some of the way that you laid out the information I think one of the things that we oftentimes struggle with is that there's a thousand good ideas and we don't quite know which thing is going to give us our biggest bang for our buck in terms of our climate impact and this is one that we can clearly show the public yes upfront cost but not only does it help save in terms of kilowatt hours and that's our greenhouse gas production reductions but also saves the city money long term and I wanted to make sure that I had a data point correct that you said that the useful life for these LED replacements was 20 years that correct that is correct okay great thank you with that we will go and see if there's any public comment on this item we'll start with Pete and Pete will be followed by Mark Pete I have enabled your speaking permissions let me get the timer up on the screen one moment please can you confirm you see the timer on your screen yes I can see the timer on my screen thank you perfect please identify yourself for public record if you so choose my name is my name is Pete gang I'm an architect I live in Petaluma and I have a stake in a house on Humboldt Street in Santa Rosa that my son just purchased good afternoon Mayor Rogers and Council members Alvarez and Rogers I'm so happy to be engaging in this discussion relative to the conversion to LED technology I fully understand that municipal accounts are separate from community accounts but I would just suggest the idea of offering to the people of Santa Rosa perhaps free or very low-cost LED light bulbs that could replace the incandescent and compact fluorescent bulbs in their homes which would result in immediate monthly savings on their energy bills and also would lower the city's overall energy use and greenhouse gas emissions just an idea thank you very much thank you so much Pete and congratulations to your son on his new home glad he picked the correct city in Sonoma County to reside and with that we'll go to Mark mark I haven't able to speaking permissions do you see the time on your screen I sure do okay your time begins now thanks again and I forgot to identify properly last time it's Mark Mortensen I'm a resident here in Santa Rosa and I'm a member of Friends of the Climate Action Plan although I haven't talked about this particular item with them but it's one of their and twist as far as the LED lighting goes yeah number one I totally agree with Pete you know one of the great opportunities is to improve energy efficiency in our homes and and you know having LED light bulbs it's it can be a good chunk of change to replace them place all those compact fluorescence and incandescence but maybe a program to help out the public on that would be useful we were asking about you know what's what's the latest and greatest on LED streetlight technology I think Council Member Alvarez was asking about that and the smart street lights program in in San Diego is is one option to take a look at what they've done there is they've they've got sensors on their street lights that they use for modulating the lighting from the from the street lights to reduce energy and they're also used to keep statistics anonymous statistics on vehicle counts pedestrian counts and so on which can be used to to make a city run more efficiently and so that program was is instituted in San Diego and it's called their shockingly it's called their smart street lights project and that's all I have on this one thank you thank you mark and mark lives in the best district here in Santa Rosa I'll let you all guess which one that is district seven and with that I will bring it back to the City Council are there any last comments for staff on this item seeing none go ahead Council Member with the great comment that we just received which is a smart street program I would love to see us looking at something such as sensors we see them being implemented in homes when you leave a room there's a timer and afterwards it shuts down so that here at here at my business actually all my lights are on sensors and it's absolutely comforting to know that when you open a door and you walk in the lights turn on and I don't even have to know where the switches are anymore so I would I see it at a personal use and I would love to see it being implemented at a city use thank you yeah I could appreciate that my apartment was run off of my cell phone that when my cell phone connected to the internet the lights would automatically turn on and then when I left and disconnected from the internet they'd all turn off it only got awkward when my phone would die while I was sitting on my couch I would say Mike I know that we talked a little bit about defunding or shifting the funding for the remaining LEDs in this last year's budget is for context for those who remember we cut $18 million from our budget and really needed to make sure we had some funds set aside in our reserves in the event that we had an emergency and this was viewed as a would like to do but not the most urgent project I'm hopeful that this will be brought forward again funded in this year's budget so that we can have that discussion since we obviously see the long-term benefits both economically and for climate and so we'll be looking for that in the budget let's go ahead move on to our next item item 5.2 our fleet climate action plan and Zach I believe you've got this one I'm gonna try it good afternoon Mayor Rogers Vice Mayor Rogers and Councilmember Alvarez thank you Kyle you got that if they're already this is the first opportunity I've had to actually speak to the committee about the fleet activities and what we're doing over here related to climate action next slide please so I just wanted to share a few facts about what we have in our fleet and what we're currently doing our fleet is fairly large we had managed a little over a thousand vehicles we have some alternative fuel vehicles in there obviously some hybrids a few transit coaches we just unleashed our first hybrid police patrol vehicle and I do believe Council is aware of the four electric buses that are coming as well we have four full electric passenger vehicles that are available in our motor pool and we do have a few dedicated compressed natural gas fuel overall our fleet traveled almost four million miles last year a bunch of hours of service for some portable generators or stationary generators and construction equipment and a decent amount of fuels burned has demonstrated the bottom there our primary target is gonna be transit and police use because they are taking the lion's share of our fuel use and that is our main goal is to reduce the amount of fuel that we are using next slide please the current strategies is in place are obviously the use of electric and hybrid vehicles finding alternatives to petroleum based fuels and we are newly engaged in a vehicle telematic system which will give us information available to change the way we use our fleet next slide I mentioned earlier we are using four full electric vehicles in fleet we have four buses coming we have developed a vehicle standard for vehicles at the replacement cycle and what we do is we look at the utilization of a vehicle consider how it's used how many miles it travels what tools it has to carry how many people it has to carry and if it's applicable we're going to recommend the use of an electric vehicle to replace an existing petroleum burner the compact and mid-sized sedans are the easiest to convert over to full electric that they have the largest market and biggest options and we already talked about the transit department next slide the hybrid vehicles we've been successfully offering those for quite some time we've got some of the first Toyota Prizes when they came out in 2002 and we continue to use those we're operating I think it's about 50 ish hybrids right now across our fleet they do give us about 25% greater miles per gallon which is a reduction of fuel burn additionally to this we're seeing some changes in technology for example we have some hybrid we're gonna call them electric service trucks they're basically a boom truck that staff can use to service street lights or power lines or whatever but the trucks operate on full electric power when they're stationary and only use the petroleum engine to transport next slide compressed natural gas is used sparingly they do function but they do have their limitations mostly on availability and how the equipment actually operates when you build up a truck we did recently I think in May 2019 convert MSC fuel island over to renewable diesel fuel and this is not biodiesel it's R99 it's a little different it's a product that is renewable and we can source it and put it into our tanks here the the big bonus with this one is it reduces the amount of particulate produced out diesel exhaust reducing it close to 80% which is great for the environment there and also on the maintenance side reduces the amount of work we have to do keeping things going next slide vehicle telematics it's a new modern technology that's coming out it's been out for quite some time but it's really refined in the most recent years providing a lot of interactions or integrations into other systems we are currently in an RFP process to employ a telematics system across our fleet we plan on putting it in everything and it will give significant amount of data to use to analyze how we are using our fleet and decide what we can use cannot use what we should get rid of what we convert and convert to electric and so forth the data is also usable across departments deploying staff out to job sites so they can understand where they're using their vehicles on travel miles how they can coordinate their work to reduce the amount of travel telematics also gives us the opportunity to enroll in the continuous testing program with BAR and what that is is a it's basically smog testing but all the time currently everybody gets an exemption for six seven years before they have to provide a smog test but the continuous testing program transmits your vehicle data directly to BAR and we can import that data and learn if there is a malfunction with a vehicle out there immediately and address that it also the aggressive driving tactics or coaching I don't I can't say that we have that concern now but it is an interesting idea that it can detect it and when if you have operators that do like to stand on their gas pedal or their brake pedal you can train them and help them learn better driving habits to help reduce the amount of emissions next slide that is really the basics of where we are I'm here to answer any questions great thank you so much Zach I did have a question similar to the analysis that was done for the LEDs if we have a 25% reduction in the gas that is used on these hybrids or electrics that we have out there rolling do we have sort of the that the price point difference in investing in these vehicles when we have replacements versus the total savings that we get long-term over the lifespan of the vehicle by having that 25% reduction in gas use I can't give you a specific number I can tell you when we did the analysis on the police vehicle hybrids looking what the they presented was going to be the savings versus what the upgraded cost was I guessed it to come out pretty close to equal based on lifecycle fuel burn currently we're seeing it's about 22% increase in miles per gallon in our hybrid unit on the road which that's going to reduce about 2,000 gallons over the life cycle on that vehicle the vehicle cost about $4,500 more so rough guess okay I appreciate that questions from council members I have one question go ahead council member on the alternative petroleum based fuels was it the 99 or the cleaner particle is that the alternative fuels or were there other alternatives that we're looking at our 99 is a alternative to diesel fuel albeit it carries the same chemical structure it starts with a different feedstock so it does not petroleum based and that reduces the amount of sulfur in it so that is the an alternative to petroleum fuels natural gas and propane are still petroleum and then electric is our other option so natural gas was one of the alternatives that we're looking at a natural gas is a petroleum based fuel that we have access to the nearest fueling station is over here off Occidental Road and we do have a few vehicles that do still operate on that but there are limitations to the usability of them and council member Alvarez this is Jason that assistant city manager Zach you may be able to also chime in we did evaluate biodiesel for a period of time mostly through testing through other agencies testing it out but but Zach can you can you describe what we did with with that evaluation the biodiesel is a blend of ref the trolling based diesel and this implant based fuel and we tried it out in a select group of vehicles for about three years and to see how the performance was and it did it did okay we experienced some mechanical issues with a lot of vehicles it just didn't function as hoped for in some of the high the more current emission strategies the biggest problem we had with the biodiesel it was hygroscopic and attracted water and it would it would grow in the tank so storage was a major issue for even storage inside the vehicles you know in the fuel tanks of the vehicle themselves so that was proving very cost-prohibitive the R99 product is non hygroscopic it is pretty fast and you can leave it in a fuel tank for several years without worrying about it growing mold thank you both okay we'll go to public comment so we have mark followed by Michael I think mark I have enabled your speaking permissions do you see the timer I sure do perfect your time begins now great thanks again and again it's mark Mortensen wanted to appreciate Zach for the hard work that's going on with the fleet there and electrifying it most of the most of the climate action plans around the country usually get down to electrifying the fleet because as we all know greenhouse gas emissions typically 50 to 60 percent of the cities and regions greenhouse gas emissions are from transportation and so we're in a fortunate situation with Santa Rosa and that we get our electricity from the evergreen program which is fully renewables and so the more the quicker we we electrify the fleet the quicker we'll be reducing our greenhouse gas emissions a couple questions I had I didn't notice you know a greenhouse gas emission goal on the on the presentation and you know where we are currently with with greenhouse gas emissions based on how many electric vehicles and how many gas vehicles we have right now and so that would be useful information you obviously we we measure things and we can improve them by measuring and taking action and I was also curious on the what are the plans for for future conversion moving away from you know the fossil fuel based you know gas vehicles and that includes moving away from the the little used compressed natural gas ones that's pretty much a methane methane fuel there and leakage from those is obviously a very strong greenhouse gas and so I'm glad we're not using them too much so yeah I was just hoping for a little bit more specificity on the goals for emissions reduction with the fleet as we as we move slowly but inexorably towards electrifying and possibly the telematics can support also this collection of data looks like a very useful tool for for collecting data on vehicle miles traveled and and how many miles we're traveling in general anyway that's it thank you very much thank you mark we'll go to Michael followed by Pete Michael I have enabled your speaking permissions if you can unmute yourself please can you hear me we can can you see the timer on your screen I certainly can please identify yourself for public record if you so choose and your time begins now sure Michael appell resident in Santa Rosa I live on Monroe street and just a couple of short comments and I have a couple of questions and that is I just wanted to know what the goals are for down the road in terms of percentage of electrification of the Santa Rosa fleet and I echo what mark said regarding compressed natural gas that's a very toxic source of fossil fuels for a variety of reasons particularly at the extraction sites it really pollutes the water and the air most of natural gas is methane and that's 87 times more toxic than co2 it also admits propane butane and ethane into the environment so it's that's really a dirty source and a question for Zach is r99 are you telling me that that's all plant-based uh no fossil fuels uh so that that's pretty much my comments and questions I really appreciate everybody on the subcommittee for really looking at this as a serious issue because we are facing a climate emergency it's good to see young folks I'm an old guy and I really appreciate this young blood on the climate subcommittee so thank you very much thank you Michael and vice mayor I think he was talking about you there uh we'll go to you're the youngest one Pete can you hear us can you hear me yep go ahead okay sorry to hold you up I am a member of the demographic that is called near elderly um so you listen up you young people I have four quick comments one is if we are sincere about a 2030 target date for zero emissions or net zero emissions that would suggest that we reduce our emissions within every department across every category by 10 percent of year 2020 or year 2019 baseline for 10 years it's uh it's ambitious number two this is a pet peeve of mine but I would suggest considering a policy of no vehicle idling for all city-owned vehicles which would have immediate benefits at no cost number three this may already be the practice but when considering new vehicle purchases I'd suggest considering life cycle costs over a period of maybe five years instead of considering first costs and finally I would appreciate I think it would be helpful in this presentation of vehicle purchases to include the metric of tons of greenhouse gases as was included in the previous presentation one gallon of gas burned releases 20 pounds of co2 to the atmosphere so the police use of 100 000 gallons results in a thousand tons of co2 per year it would be good to track that thank you great thank you so much and thank you for that data point uh there on the co2 uh Cali did we have any voicemail comments on this item we did not have any voicemail or email public comments on this item okay I'll bring it back in uh Zach or Jason I'm not I'm not quite sure who some of these comments or questions would would go towards I guess the first one that I'm hearing from the public and that I'd be interested in hearing a response from is from a global perspective at the rate that we are replacing our vehicles with electric vehicles uh does that timeline match up with our ambitious 2030 goals for reaching climate neutrality or excuse me carbon neutrality so mayor let me let me start off um and then maybe Zach can can chime in uh realistically we haven't put those we have those two those two metrics haven't met each other yet and so part of the reason we wanted to bring this item to the subcommittee is to begin the conversation about how are we going to establish a vehicle replacement and management program that's consistent with the other aspects of our climate action plan uh but but in order to start that we needed to create a baseline so that you knew what our team was was doing and in some cases we're being very aggressive in other cases um there might not be a way to be aggressive so so the challenge uh mayor is we can't really answer that question because we we haven't yet put those two lenses together to see where the where the where the line crosses okay I think I'd be interested in and I'll look for some direction from other council members I'd be interested in making sure that we do that sooner rather than later uh you know nine years from now is coming up quick and and you know we we have this conversation all the time about the the drastic need that we have and so if I think it would be helpful for me to see sort of a cost breakdown uh within the spirit of what we were talking about the added cost to move in the direction of electrified vehicles versus the cost savings from gas uh and how we have that purchasing conversation with the full council I think is appropriate and perhaps in goal setting as part of where we prioritize that the other question that I had and again I don't know if it's for Zach or for Jason is whether or not we see an adequate electric infrastructure on the city's resources for the vehicles that we are either currently have or we have planned to have purchase well I can again I'll start off and Zach can chime in because both of us have been looking at this for different aspects we do not have the necessary infrastructure we've we've initiated a conversation about what it might take and the investment is going to be substantial to some extent this is going to be part of the an evaluation that's occurring right now with micro grids we are asking them during their evaluation to determine what it would look like if we had different levels of electric vehicles that needed to be serviced and charged at a certain location but our initial take is is is it's pretty significant we're looking at at almost you know a million dollars worth of infrastructure to come in and and provides electrical service to to up to nine electric buses with over a thousand pieces of equipment in our fleet you know converting 50% of those to all electric is going to require fairly significant investment or power generation source on site that can handle that number that that many vehicles it's certainly not insurmountable but it's going to take some planning and it's going to take potentially a fairly good investment to make that happen and and of course the best value for us is to make that investment go as many ways as possible the concept of a micro grid is certainly one of those tools that could not only provide us the necessary power to charge a fleet but also to keep us sustainable through the course of of a substantial power outage or other disaster Zach as you've been looking more deeply do you have anything additional to add I think you pretty much covered it I was when we went through the process to provide the electrification for the buses it was an eye opener we we we simply don't have infrastructure at our current location to really support much more than that so to Jason's point we have to look at a lot of other alternatives and consider the investment just just to give you an idea mayor when we first looked at the electric vehicle or the electric buses one of the initial statements was well we can charge two buses if we get a third we have to shut down half of the bays in our garage because they're all I mean that's where the majority of the power is and that didn't seem like a reasonable trade-off at that time so so we've worked with PG&E through their electric it's their EV fleet ready program to bring a dedicated line in to take on those nine electric buses so you know we we've definitely looked at as many options as we can and we'll continue to look as additional studies are starting to come online all right thank you I think that would be helpful for me obviously it'd be a big undertaking but is to better understand the costs that we're talking about to scale up our infrastructure to the to meet the need as well as the cost differential what it'll cost for us to upgrade the rest of our fleet to electric and then the third number would be the long-term cost savings that we would see from fuel usage and possible maintenance reductions as a result of that as well we do we have talked in the past about potentially working on a climate change measure and I know that our CPA is interested in one as well and I think that for those planning purposes to be able to articulate to the public what type of benefit a measure like that would bring to be able to actually express those numbers would be huge for us the last question that I had that I heard from the public was just a simple one for Zach the R99 is that entirely plant-based it is not entirely plant-based it's generated from waste plant and animal waste okay council members any other questions or comments no not at this time thank you um I'm excited sorry this is this has been very exciting and I opening and like Eddie said earlier really hasn't been something that I've done in my community um or that my community is big on climate um because we focus on other things like civil rights but um I'm definitely definitely excited just hearing the questions and um allowing the the public to educate us on well you know some of this stuff Chris but I don't but educate me on on what what's going on and so I'm really excited to dive into it and see how we can help and assist in the more the more we know the more I think it will allow us to to help so yeah I'm excited okay with that we will close this item look for some follow-up information in the future on it and go on to item six some subcommittee reports I mentioned earlier some of the items that I anticipate bringing next time or in the near future including the start of the discussion around gas stations uh we also what I am interested in if I get the thumbs up from the subcommittee is doing a workshop somewhere down the road on carbon sequestration and what that looks like from a practical standpoint and how we can scale that up on the city level again carbon neutrality means uh acknowledges I think that it's going to be difficult to get to zero greenhouse gas emissions and so we're going to need some of that offset and some of that carbon sequestration uh programming to start now so we can scale it up uh thumbs up council members cool do either of you have any uh subcommittee reports or announcements related to climate I know it's your first one so it's hard no no not at this time other than I love my vote and it has a surprisingly big amount of uh power for being a hybrid vehicle so anyone that doesn't own a hybrid or something I definitely recommend them opposed to the gas only yeah Eddie was doing donuts the other day I heard him all right uh Jason uh or Amy uh any department reports uh Jason nuts uh assistant city manager no no department reports from from the operations portfolio okay hi good afternoon mayor rogers and welcome to vice mayor rogers and council member alvarez uh this is Amy Nicholson senior planner and I just have a real quick report uh it's about our climate change adaptation workshop this is being facilitated by planning staff in partnership with the non-profit ecoadapt and virginia tech and it's actually funded by a national science foundation grant so we were one of eight cities that was chosen to participate in this workshop so this is a three-part workshop and it has been scheduled for january 19th january 21st and january 27th and at this time we have about 30 individuals registered and that includes city staff and also some regional partners um and then a number of representatives from community-based organizations and members from the community at large so we are excited about this workshop and the report that comes out of it will be an important resource for the city's general plan and climate action plan updates that are currently underway and if anyone listening has any questions about this workshop you can contact me by email at a nicholson at srcity.org and that's it for me thank you thank you Amy and if you could circulate to council members uh just a really quick email with some of that information so we can put it out through our networks as well I think that that would be uh fantastic uh sure last announcement that I should have done under item six uh tomorrow is the first california league of cities environmental quality committee uh meeting and it is focused on proposed uh environmental legislation in the state capital this year so keep a lookout for a report out from that as well with that we've got nothing left on our agenda we're at just that at an hour so we will adjourn the meeting and we'll look forward to our next one thank you everybody