 Let's talk a bit about the gap and how you guys quantify this gap and if there are trends maybe internationally that have motivated the Institute to really bring these things home. Yeah basically if you are you are to quantify first of all the big gaps in human capital people we need for in order to build sufficient housing at the coast at high basically there's a combination of the skillers and the people. 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So tonight I am with Henry Lukenge who is going to be speaking to us about how developers can use can now model hyper realistic building projects you know to show prospective buyers sellers and people who just really want to go into the property industry so Henry good evening and thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. It is an absolute pleasure we you know over the past couple of weeks we've been talking technology property technology and property rather you know property taken initiatives apps and things that are coming into the industry that are helping the industry to do things better so specifically tonight we are looking at how developers can now model hyper realistic projects and building projects you know how they can use augmented reality and all of these beautiful things so you are from Treated Engineering Institute and you guys have just launched into South Africa this upscaling where young people can use building information modeling you know to change the way property has has been shown over the past couple of years can you just talk us through what what your your institute does and what you guys are hoping to achieve with this program that you guys are running. So basically the aim of building information modeling is an application within a built environment that focuses on optimization efficiencies and facilities management you've got two models one is on the building side one is on the facilities management side so it means that um through through the acquisition of these skills at every level of a project right you've got the ability to to see its cost and time implications as you change you change it or modify it or as you bring um interdisciplinary skills to bring a building from from conception to completion right and then um uh there's also the other piece of what it is that then then we'll go from the completion to ongoing management of the building as a living entity through um facilities management so um what what this gives you is um a holistic approach to managing a portfolio buildings or one building depending on what you're looking what what you're trying to achieve now our um our um key um um entry or drivers for this is that um um there is um um um an extreme skill shortage and building information modeling landscape not just in Africa but around the African continent and um that's really the fact that um um um talent isn't a lot right and it's the way it is it is restricted people at post-graduate level and what we're saying is that um um um these skills don't belong at post-graduate level they belong at um um undergrad and post-high school post-primary activity because um our skills that um beam technicians have got right um um can are applicable in day-to-day um day-to-day affairs of building or managing and constructing managing construction projects irrespective of size you could do these in um a single unit multi-unit um large facilities like an airport all um um you could use um like rabies to facilities management skills um in um um uh multi-site for example refrigeration sites uh in warehousing or or um what's he called retail right there is um um a broad landscape where the skills are usable and that's why um um we we're trying to create uh but we're trying to bring these skills down to the level where an everyday pastor can pick up the skill set and then use it to um or get to participate the economy at a higher um price point sure and if we were to really talk about the discipline and talk about um building information modeling what how would how would you describe it to the layman in terms of what it does and its benefits because um to someone who is who who's a property owner or is looking at going into property um how does it look for them yeah basically is what it does for you uh for example um uh let's say you've um um you're trying to um build um a house in the ground up okay normally you get one um um uh took what what's he called um one d which is um um um your site plans or for an architect right then he used those with um the quantity surveyor to go build a house okay then um and as you get into um um the construction phase things come up you didn't foresee right then you get cost overrun then time overrun then all that stuff right however uh so the application of big game um you go 2d and 3d um which means that your entire building right is molded into a living being when it like a 3d image of the vision implication of a building when it's finished so you can then see where the plumbing is going to go where the electric is going to go where they um the paint has to look don't even move it on the computer to optimize sunlight and all all that stuff before you build it so then um once you get in the building of it you can literally tell someone you want the pipe to walk this we're not that way because if it does that we this thing these are the implications right so then uh for the four four macro projects which we call this one a project like one unit household and warehouse these things are important because then you avoid cost overrun it's time overruns you also avoid repetition where I pipe when we're here and go and you have to fix it right so this way you save the money at like a macro level right but at um at a large um um micro level uh industrial industrial scale projects you could think about the fact think it just imagine um a multi-unit site where they um um um I don't know say 20 or 50 stories with a building and you're running multiple pipes across um multiple square feet right like plumbing electrical headvark and and what's he called um um um other pieces like lighting right then um and having um a 3d model of everything as it fits and then and then having uh one or two people are able to um direct all trades on site to work concurrently without um stepping on each other's toe right and helps the builder or the project manager and the builder right achieve efficiencies without um being um um in the face of everyone because um uh beam will give you a 3d image of what even has to do when they have to do it so that as they do it other people can do what they're doing and everyone moves in the same direction right um um so the term um your your your goals are attained on time on the cost sure this this already sounds like um a revolutionary um piece of technology that can be used I just want us to talk a little bit about the gap um that you guys know systems are in Africa in terms of this so you spoke a little bit how um some of these skills are going to be broken down and children as young as um in high school can already start picking some of these skills up and how does the gap currently look when because I know that you guys just launched um this week your offices and uh for the institute on the 26th um let's talk a bit about the gap and how you guys quantify this gap and if there are trends maybe internationally that have motivated the institute to really bring these things home yeah basically um um if you are you you you are to quantify first of all the these gaps in human capital uh people we need for um um in order to to build sufficient housing at cost at high basically there's a combination of the skills and the people right to to build substantial housing portfolios to fix house um access to houses in our coastal region not just in Africa but all across Africa um you find that um um we don't have um an adequate supply of um building information technologists across the landscape from plumbing to HVAC refrigeration to general building modeling like across the land we don't have them and here is why um because um up to up to how we guys have come through um um uh these skills are being retained at post-guided level so um if you look at that and ask yourself um how many of us have degrees right not many of us have degrees regardless of how you look at it right so if not to not mean to have degrees and what a skill set that is essential to economy but only post-guidance are doing it that means um uh those skills are being retained with small percentage of people right so then then because of that you find that the ability of um of an economy to make its housing stock needs is limited because you don't have the skills you don't have enough skilled people to perform the tasks on time and on budget right so that's that's the one piece because they're that predictable then also on the on the human level it is these are these are um the the human cost of unskilled people in a country okay that human cost comes of um our youth unemployment and everything comes from urban crime to you know everything you see on the streets right like any any african city has been employed many unemployed young people right and all you're lacking is the skill set they can monetize quickly right so what what we set up to accomplish was a pick up this some complex item and then um put together a group of professionals to um put together a curriculum that is broken down into pieces that at the core level addresses the key components someone needs to um to attain excellence um in this skill set so they can take it the market quick right that's why um our setup involves um the civil certificates each of which is underpinned by industrial placement so that at any level you can pick up that skill set with the placement and then you can go into a skill straight and charge five times the price five times the rate you'd have charged it being half right and you don't have to wait for three hours to do it sure right so then on the idea the the the whole the the overall objective is that we try to um um um help the buildings industry attain two goals one um obviously um fix the human human factor shortage while um um participating or contributing to creating a more even economic field or widening or widening the opportunity gap for everyone to play with it because unlike uh because we fix the artist on the bottom we're gonna have many people from all walks of life participate in this field that wouldn't normally participate in it no definitely and that that sounds like an advantage to to a lot of young people who are in South Africa who may even have engineering um qualifications but i have not been able to really go into the field and really use them my next question is really about it being expensive because you know when someone thinks construction and thinks um engineering we are really thinking this is an expensive thing and you know combine all of that with the use of technology and the the setup cost that comes with technology let's talk about um it's expensive or how expensive this could be for one to either go into and also to maintain because you spoke about how there's there's a setup and there's also maintenance and management of property so let's talk a bit about how the expenses of the sodium um um the beauty of what we're doing is that um you could um um get a diploma and be an expert in everything or pick up certificates and be an expert in a few things then you could participate at any level of the building depending on the skills you've got okay so for example you may be an auto-car technician just being three 3d models of of uh what's it called construction projects that architects have done right you may be um auto-car and ready technician who does combines that with piping and plumbing or h-fog and plumbing then you could do all three where you combine electrical plumbing and and then painting and everything to give the building um the holistic look where you're the engineer inside having all trades all trades communicating to each other right so then at every level your period rises depending on the skills you have got right now for for for the um for the um the buildings are now corporate company owning um um a stock of unit sold facilities to maintain right you um um your efficiency is to come in having enough people who are skills who are skilled to give you the skill set at the price point that is lower than that of a postgraduate person doing it so what i mean because then you've got um potentially students out of high school having these skill sets so you don't have to retain a postgraduate charging you five times the run per hour because the postgraduate because the skill is now in a hundred someone who holds the graduate but wants the ability so so the the point is um um just just think about it as um um having for example your pipe blocked and you bring it out with a degree to fix it they're going to charge you say five thousand run these these are all hypothetical numbers okay sure but if you brought in a plumber they would charge you a thousand but it was an exact same thing sure sure right so approach to this is that um we need to um if you lower the barriers barriers to entry into this field by uh like i didn't say this before when the podcast began um uh through uh because you got tried in and got a trust which is the need of trust um which is and which is um underwriting the costs of um um developing the Cali Club and getting it approved by SACA and everyone else locally right so that once that process is completed we go to an international Cali Club we're going to adapt it to the African to the South African landscape and the needs that are local then we're going to appeal that with our what's you call um um um partnerships with the equivalent with the likes of BSI who um in in this field they help um organization the particular Cali Clans to map those Cali Clans to our international standards right so then i'll guide you we'll speak at the local skillset right that has international reputation that means that um once at any stage of the process if they graduate and have a certificate they can they can work on projects globally because they've got international certification that underpins what we're doing right so then um uh when you combine um um these pieces with the fact that the charity has underwritten our foundation and charities are but not underwritten the development costs right then um we can then turn around and as opposed to being um um um a for-profit business trying to make a lot of money um of this IP um we've turned around and um and provided it to the Trident um Engineering Institute at no price yeah right because uh the objective is that um um we need to improve to to empower many young people to pick up the skillset to get themselves and up the economic ladder and while doing that solving the housing need yeah right so that that's really how this fits we're basically because of the because we've been able to under underwrite the cost of development without expecting a return on investment yes right we're able to bring down the cost of to the entry cost to this program the lower than average like like typical um um three four-hour seminar in one of these things about 20 000 run just um just doing one or two things in autograph right and we are putting together a whole module for about 5000 run that gives someone get someone um um for example um training that that then give them the skillset right be able to be an auto car technician on the sides without having a degree sure no thank you so much thank you thank you for joining us tonight and thank you for sharing your insights with us i'm sure if as as a property owner um someone who who's willing to who's looking to build or not buy or someone who's buying and wants to know how the building is structured man this is really uh incredible for them to to look into and really start adopting thank you so much for joining us and have a good evening yeah too thank you for having me thank you it's absolute pleasure wonderful just like that we have we have reached the end of our conversation tonight where we are speaking about how you can take technology and really take your business to the next level you know we've been talking about how properties are business and how technology is going to help you to grow your portfolio you know to start and get into the portfolio and get that first property or to just manage it and make sure that it's growing from strength to strength until the next time i see you right here on the private property podcast thank you for joining us tonight and have a good night