 So, welcome back we will continue here, we have touched on the subject of intercession, but in this second session we will go a little deeper, in intercession itself, so there is a deeper intercession or a deeper way of praying for others and we will look at what the scriptures have to say about it. So, the Bible mentions a kind of intercession which is known as Travelle, okay Travelle. Now I don't know if you are familiar with this word, but for those of us who don't understand that word Travelle, it is like you know when a mother gives birth to her child, we know there is incredible pain, okay and in that intensity we know the cries and the groans that come out, right. So, that is what Travelle is, so it's an intense way of suffering to release something. So, we have already discussed that when we intercede, we see God's mercy being given to someone or God's grace coming upon someone or God's victory, you know in their lives, so something is being released, yes or no, when we intercede, correct. Now, the deeper form of intercession or Travelle, it's very similar to a mother giving birth, because you know a mother she would carry the unborn child for about nine months and it's only when she goes into labour or she is in pain, okay and very close to the birth of the child that there is that intense struggle, intense struggle for her to you know put in all her energy and for the child to come out, but those moments of that struggle and you know her cries and her groans is what is known as Travelle, okay. So, when we talk about intercession, we can intercede to say, okay God, please bless this person, okay God, please heal this person, you know, prosper them, that's fine, but these are all prayers which are at the, you could say maybe at the top layer, where yes we feel for them, we do have compassion, but it's not necessarily Travelling, where we are struggling, where we are in, we are also in pain to make sure that God's answers are released in that person's life, but when we go to that level, that's why I'm saying it's a deep level where we are Travelling for others and usually we use the term Travelle when we talk about, you know praying for the lost, those who are, you know, those who are away from God, when remember I said John Knox of Scotland or you have people like Evan Roberts, I mentioned Evan Roberts, right, the person who prayed for Wales and there was a revival, he was also a Bible college student and he didn't have an opportunity, but finally, you know, they got him to pray and eventually a revival took place because he was so committed to prayer. Now, these were all people who were not just praying at the surface level. Okay, God, if you do find, if you don't do, it's fine, you know, it wasn't like that, but there was a burden, we talk about a burden, burden is something that you sense spiritually, which, you know, it bothers you that you can't just leave situations as they are, but you begin to pray. Like, even about Evan Roberts, it is said that he was a young man and, you know, he would walk around in his place, even when he used to walk around, apparently his mouth will be moving and people used to tell him, what is wrong with you, you know, behave your age, you're young, what is this praying, praying all the time and he would be like, you won't understand, just leave it. But he was praying, he was praying for Wales, he was praying for the people, he was praying for the lost because he carried that burden. So, travail is that deeper level of prayer where there is a suffering involved. It's a spiritual suffering. We're not talking about any physical suffering, but it's a spiritual suffering which we are willing to go through just like a mother who goes through that travail to give birth to her child. So, that is what travail is. It is an intercessory prayer, but it is an intercessory prayer of the deepest kind. Now, in the life of Jesus, we know that Jesus engaged in prayer at all levels. So, even travail, he engaged in that. At the time when Lazarus was dead, the Bible says, in front of the tomb of Lazarus, Jesus groaned, right? He was sad. Jesus wept and he groaned in front of the tomb of Lazarus. So, what does it show us? It shows us that somewhere he has been through that intensity in prayer, right? After which, when he said Lazarus come forth, the dead man came alive. Okay? So, even Jesus engaged in a deep level of prayer from time to time. We find in the garden of Gethsemane, do you remember how did Jesus pray? Any idea? Any thoughts? With blood tears. That's right. So, Jesus was so moved or he was so burdened, you know, bothered by what was coming up that he prayed, but he was sweating blood. Okay? So, we can only imagine the state that he was in. He did go and tell his friends, his disciples, pray with me, pray with me, but they were sleeping because that night was, it's a very difficult night for Jesus. So, even Jesus, you know, he knew what revealing meant. It's a deep level of intercession going before the Lord in prayer and crying out to God. So, we associate it with intensity. Okay? Intensity means what? Intensity means seriousness. Intensity means, you know, like a deep, yeah, better word. Passion. Yeah. Yeah. Passionate. Passioness. These are all the words that we use to explain travail. So, even Jesus engaged in the garden of Gethsemane. We see in other passages also that, you know, Jesus did this. It was nothing foreign to him. So, whenever there was a requirement, you know, Jesus went into this mode of praying. Hebrews 5 verses 7 and 7 through 10, there it says with cries, right? With vehement cries, meaning you can imagine somebody crying and, you know, have you seen a child that, okay, just imagine, right? Like, what would you say, if let's say they fall down or they hit there, maybe between the door, they just jam their finger. How do they cry? They'll just cry loudly and then they'll just like sort of, you know, take a deep breath and keep crying, keep crying till they find solace, till they find that peace, right? Somewhat like that before the Lord, when, you know, the Lord Jesus went through his difficult times, it says with vehement cries, meaning it was intense, it was deep, it was not easy. Even Jesus has cried before the Father to see to it that so many things, whether in his own life or whether in his ministry or, you know, anything else or for the world, because we know he prayed for all of us, right? He prayed even for us who will come later and believe in him, Jesus has prayed with cries and in that level of depth, okay? So it's not something that God wants us to do and he has not done it. In fact, in the Garden of Gethsemane, when Jesus was praying so intensely or traveling in prayer before the Father, the Bible says that an angel, God sent an angel to strengthen him. So he must have been so emotionally, you know, broken at that time that God even sent an angel to help him in that moment or strengthen him in that moment. So we see all these things. Even, let's say, when we are praying in the Spirit, okay, Romans 8 verses 26-27, we said, right, that the Spirit helps us in our weaknesses when we do not know how to pray, right? The Bible says with groans and sighs, sometimes, sometimes, there may not even be words, but there might be, you know, like a deep prayer coming out just through the cries. I remember I had prayed for one brother who was, I mean, he is a recent convert, like for many years, he worshipped some other gods and all, but he accepted the Lord and in our church, we have Holy Spirit baptism, right? Every month or every ultimate month, we have one Sunday, so people stay back and we pray for them. So on one Sunday, when this particular brother stayed back and we prayed for him, we have seen many different kinds of manifestations of baptism in the Holy Spirit. People start speaking in tongues, some people may even sing in tongues, so many things happen, but this was unique because when we prayed for him, you can think with me, he's like a mature person, he has two big sons already, but he was crying like a baby and he's just groaning, sighing, crying and we were all wondering, is this tongues, is this, you know, like, is this praying in the Spirit? The Bible does say, groaning and sighs, so we just gave it some time, he went on, he went on crying like, literally like a baby, he's just crying for a while and then slowly some words came out, so then we understood, oh yeah, these utterances are from the Holy Spirit, he is praying in the Spirit, so the Holy Spirit sometimes, he gives us these groans, groans, sighs, you know, weeping, crying, travail, even that comes from the Holy Spirit because there is that intensity in some of those prayers, which only God knows that it is needed, so we may find ourselves, you know, in tears when we are some praying in the Spirit sometimes, but allow the Holy Spirit to lead you, it's okay, it's fine, maybe the Spirit of God wants us to intercede powerfully, so when we travail like this, what we are doing is, we use the word pressing in, okay, pressing in is your struggling little bit to make it happen, okay, it's not like, okay, pray for one hour, leave it come, it's not like that, you've already gone into the depth of that prayer and you need a little more spiritual energy to stay there, to fight it out, okay, maybe fight it out is a better word, so pressing in is, you're fighting it out in the Spirit, right, you're fighting it out in prayer at the deepest level, so there are some prayers which will be like this and God will lead us into these prayers, now it is important to do this because we will see later some scriptures it say that unless we go to that depth, we will not give birth to the promises of God, if we always remain in surface level prayer, no travail, you know, no intensity, we will not release, okay, some of the things that God wants to release, even Paul, you know, he writes to the Galatians, Galatians 4 and verse 19, he says, I travail, I travail for you, why, why is he travailing, so that Christ be formed in you, so Paul is a minister of God and what is his ministry as an apostle, as a teacher, he is working hard so that people can transform themselves according to the word of God, according to the Spirit of God, so he's saying, I'm laboring, I'm even travailing, so that Christ will be formed in you, that is the goal, isn't it, for all of us to become more like Jesus, so that's what Paul is saying, that he is actually laboring for the people, he is striving in prayer, he's striving in prayer and even for us today, okay, for the lost we can travail, now if we are called into this kind of ministry, like full-time ministry, now ministry is not only in the church, ministry is not only preaching, okay, God may call us in the work world, the business world, it's okay, even that is ministry, there's nothing wrong with, you know, being a minister of God in the workplace, but we must labor for God, no matter where we are, we must labor for God and sometimes it's going to require for us to intercede at the deepest level and even travail, so that God's purposes are fulfilled, so it's a spiritual activity, okay, travailing, I told us that travailing is like, it's like suffering in the inner man, outside we may look fine, but in our spirit man, you know, there is that struggle, there is that pain, there is that suffering in prayer and we are fighting it out, okay, to see maybe that person who's lost, come back to God or that person who's sick heal or that person who's addicted for them to be set free, but we are struggling in prayer and, you know, we will see what God does for us, now a few more things for us to note is that in John 738, Jesus said, out of your belly, out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water, okay, so God is saying that he will release something from inside us for the world to be blessed with, in this context, it is the Holy Spirit, what is rivers? Rivers of living water has to do with the flow of the Holy Spirit, it will come out of every believer when we are baptized in the Holy Spirit, out of your belly, belly is your inner man, from your spirit man will flow the power of the Holy Spirit to minister to the people, now another word that we must understand is this word belly, it's also used as another word which is womb, okay, womb, womb is the place where a child, you know, a child is formed, a baby is conceived, so in a way when God is saying out of your belly, right, it's also that God is saying out of your womb shall come forth, the release of the promises of God, so who is God's womb here on the earth, it's God's people, only through God's people kingdom work can be released, yes or no? through each one of us, so if God wants something to be released, it has to be born in us, it has to be conceived in us, then only it will be released in the world, so all of us as believers we have a responsibility, okay, those things being conceived in us is okay, but we also have to give birth to it and no birth happens without travail, so there has to be some level of that inner suffering and prayer which you and I have to go through, whether for ourselves, for our ministry, for our church, our land, we have to, only then can we give birth to God's promises, so the church or the people of God are the womb of God and we must engage in travail to give birth to His promises, that's the way God works, so in our lives if we just limit ourselves to just two minute prayers, like two minute noodles, just two minute prayers and no, nothing more than that, we'll never go into this level, the deep level of praying interceding, we'll never reach that, but when we open ourselves up to praying then God can help us journey to deeper levels in prayer which are known as travail and you know that's how you know God really wants us to serve Him to release His promises, so let's look at a few more things with regard to travail and then we can discuss if you have any questions, so the Bible also tells us when Elijah, again and again we're coming back to the example of Elijah, Elijah a man of God, he already had the word of God, okay, God said it will rain, but even when we have the promise of God, what did we say we are supposed to pray, okay, without prayer is it possible for God's prophetic word to be fulfilled, what do you think, yes or no, okay, see God is gracious, sometimes, sometimes it may still happen, however when we study the prophetic, we say this, every prophetic word, every personal prophecy is conditional which means that when God says something, for example let's say God you know gives us a word, you are going to be a great preacher, now without the cooperation of that person, God is not going to push him to become a preacher, that person has to cooperate, he has to you know be dedicated to God, learn the word, step out in ministry, operate in the gifts of the spirit, all the hard work has to come from the person, now if that person doesn't do it even though there is a prophetic word that he will be a preacher, he may never be a preacher, don't blame God for that, but there was a word, there was a prophetic word, every personal prophecy is conditional meaning there are conditions, if you, if we do this, do that, only then it will be fulfilled, you got it, so when God gives us a revelation, we are supposed to pray it through, Elijah knew that, he knew it, that's why, when he knew that it is going to rain, he did not keep quiet, he went and he started praying, he said God you said it's going to rain, so let it rain, let it rain, let it rain and how does he pray, he puts his head between his knees, that's what the bible says, it puts his head between his knees and he's praying, praying, now notice we don't know how long he prayed, it only says seven times he prayed, seven times for one hour, for two hours, for two days, we don't know, how long did he pray, nobody knows, but one thing we know, he travelled, there's a man who is travelling to ensure that God's purpose is fulfilled, okay, it's it's little difficult to understand, how can that be, when God is already spoken, it should happen, why should a man pray, but God is saying, he's looking for a man, he's looking for a woman to pray, to stand in the gap, okay, so there is the, remember we said man has to co-labor, co-labor with God, so God will do, God will give his word, but we are supposed to do the work here, we are supposed to labor with God, so Elijah started to pray and the bible even says he travelled, so when he travelled, that's when after seven times there was some result, he saw a cloud emerging in the sky and in this way, when the church of God, we are the church, right, we are all the church, when the church travells, that is when we will give birth to the promises of God, so there are scriptures, I'm not reading out every scripture here, Isaiah 66 verse 7 and 8 and Hebrews 12 verses 18 and 23, it talks about the travelling of Zion, travelling of Israel and the birth of what God's purpose is, so we need to allow ourselves to travelle for others and as I was saying, we can have the work of the Holy Spirit in our hearts and through that we can travelle, now let's talk about the Holy Spirit, see the Holy Spirit, when we go back to the book of Genesis, we find the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, they are together, they want to create the world, okay, where was the Holy Spirit at that time, what does the Bible say, he was hovering over the waters, right, he was hovering over the waters, now this word hovering, it is like, you know, it's a reproductive term, so we find that sometimes what do certain, you know, what certain birds do is they kind of, they'll give warmth to their eggs, they'll just be around, they'll hover over, they are young ones, only then will it produce, it'll hatch and then you'll have your little birds there, in the same way when we read about the Holy Spirit hovering, it's a reproductive term, okay, so when we talk about prayer and praying deeply, we've been saying that we are the womb of God, but we need the work of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is a birthing agent, you understand, the Holy Spirit is a birthing agent, that's why the term is used, he was hovering, so when the Holy Spirit comes and he hovers upon us, he will give birth to the purposes of God, maybe we'll get a new dream or a new vision or, you know, a new decision and we think, hey, yeah, actually that's what I'm supposed to do, how did we get it? The Holy Spirit is the birthing agent of God, he will birth new dreams, new visions in our hearts and then we are supposed to go ahead, pray, right, labor, like that woman who gives birth, travail, deep travail and then finally as the womb of God, we will be able to grow that, you know, child or the baby and then release it out, so that's the way in which God wants to work in our lives and so God is looking for people with some intensity, okay, with some seriousness, it's okay to have people, you know, with a little bit of a casual attitude initially, but ultimately God likes, you know, it's like we say, God means business, you got it? We can't play with God, we can't just have like this whole casual engagement with God, like okay God, when it benefits me, when it's convenient, I will serve you, other times, you know, please give me a break, I'll come back whenever I feel like God's not like that, he likes some seriousness, he likes that commitment, right, where we are saying okay God, I'm with you, whatever it is, right, let's take the leap. Now, I want us to think about this man called Jacob, there was a time in Jacob's life, obviously he's not perfect, right Jacob, what do we know him as, he's the deceiver, Jacob the deceiver, he even cheated his brother and he took the blessing of his brother and you know, he lived his life, he prospered and finally he decided, okay, I'll go back, I'll meet my brother, on the way back to meet his brother, in Genesis 32, there is a certain incident that happens, so he sends all the groups before him and he's just there, what happens, he has an encounter with God and he finds in the night that he's actually wrestling a heavenly being, he's wrestling with God, but what did Jacob do? What did he do? He did something, what did he want? Did he let go? Did he let go of his grip when he was wrestling with God? He had a very strong hold on God and he was not ready to let go, then what did he say? He said, I will not leave you till you bless me, you have to bless me, otherwise I won't leave you. His hold was so tight that you know, God actually, we read that he got a limp and that's how God even sort of, you know, went away from this wrestle, but why are we talking about this? You see, that's a physical wrestling, right? But what we want to share right now is that God wants us in the spiritual, in the spiritual things, in the inner man, to be like Jacob, okay? So when we pray, we need some intensity inside where we are telling God, I will not leave you till you bless me. Think about Jacob, he just didn't let go and you know what? God really loved it. He liked it so much. How do we know that God liked that attitude of that seriousness, intensity with Jacob had? Yes, Jacob was a deceiver and so many things happened in his life, but obviously when, you know, he started coming back to God, surrendering to God, God changed his life and God blessed him as Israel, but one thing we can learn from Jacob today is that grip which he had on God and today we can have a spiritual grip in prayer on God where we should not let go of God and, you know, say that we really want him to bless us. Now, I told us God was happy with it because you find the prophet Hosea, he talks about Jacob, he talks about Jacob, he talks about Jacob in Hosea 12 verse 3 to 6 and again in Obadiah 1 verse 17, I'll quickly read it and I'll explain it to us. So in Hosea 12 verses 3 to 6, it says about Jacob, he took his brother by the heel in the womb and in his strength, he struggled with God. Yes, he struggled with the angel and prevailed. He wept and sought favor from him. He found him in Bethel and there he spoke to us that is the God of hosts, the Lord is his memorable name. So you, by the help of your God, return, observe mercy and justice and wait on your God continually. So what does it say about Jacob? It says in his strength, he struggled with God, he struggled with the angel and prevailed, he wept. So what is that? Something like travail, isn't it? Struggle, he wept, he sought favor from God. He sought favor from God. Now in Obadiah 117, it says that on Mount Zion there shall be deliverance and there shall be holiness. The house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. Now think about this, two prophets, God is speaking through two prophets and God is saying, God is mentioning about the wrestle. See if something is not special to God, he won't mention it again. He mentions Jacob wrestled, he struggled with God. Second thing, he mentions in Obadiah, he says the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions, that means that blessings will be there. Okay? Now God could have said the house of Abraham will have all the blessings or the house of Isaac will have all the blessings or something else. The house of, pick some other name, Joseph will have the blessings. But God is saying the house of Jacob, the house of Jacob will have the blessings. Why? Because it was Jacob who told God, you have to bless me. I won't leave you till you bless me. And God has answered his prayers and he's saying, yes, I will bless this man because he's so intense with me. Right? So these are the deeper levels of intercession where we should have a strong grip on God. This grip, it's not like that wrestling grip, like we can't really check it out, like how strong it is. But spiritually, spiritually, it's something we can sense. Like how serious am I? God bless me. Think about Esau and Jacob. You know, the Bible says Jacob he loved, but Esau he hated. Why? Why does it say like that? Any idea? Why does it say like that? God is not partial, right? Then why is it like that? Because Esau was not a believer. Okay. Yeah, correct, sister. So we see that Esau, he was playing with God's purpose for his life. You remember the time when they were hungry and, you know, Esau comes back from hunting and then Jacob says, I'll give you, you know, I'll give you food, but I want your birthright. Esau has no regard for what God, the birthright is very serious. It's like the call of God on Esau's life. It's the purpose of God for Esau's life. He's so careless about it. He's saying, okay, whatever, take my birthright, just give me something to eat. God didn't like it. God said, hey, this man is playing with my purpose. He's playing with my call. He's playing with my blessings, playing with, you know, the spiritual promises that I have for him and that's not correct. So God doesn't like that. But look at his brother Jacob. He knows he's not perfect, but he's saying, God, whatever you have for me, you have to give it to me. I don't know. I may not be perfect, but bless me. I won't let you go. So here is one brother. He's careless with God's purpose, but here is the other brother. He's so serious about God's purpose and God says, I like this. I like those who are sincere, earnest, serious about what I want for them in their lives. Okay, are you all getting what I'm trying to say? It's too deeper. Too deep level of intercession might probably be too much to handle. Okay, fine. So if you understood that much, I think we'll stop there. You probably would have got it. But one more thing I'll tell you this travail. Remember, I said it's a deep way of praying. So there is a person by the name of father Nash, father Nash. Okay. Have you all heard about Charles Spinney? You should have heard because there is a picture hanging here in the campus. So Charles Spinney is one of the great preachers of the, you know, great awakening. So it is said that whenever he used to preach, people used to run and come like they'll cry. You can imagine the scene. So Charles Spinney is preaching. They'll all cry, run and come, accept Christ, hundreds of people in front. Okay. So people, I mean, Charles Spinney has that great name for what a wonderful preacher, you know, many people got saved. But here's the other part of the story. Charles Spinney had a man as a team member by the name of father Nash. No, he was not very old, maybe like 30, late 30s, 40s, something like that. So father Nash, what did father Nash do? Father Nash's passion was to pray for Charles Spinney. So now wherever Charles Spinney decides to go, what father Nash used to do is he used to take two or three people with him. He'll take them and these people will go to that city before Finney comes, they'll go maybe one month before or two months before. And what they used to do is they will rent a house. And over there, they used to start praying. And it is said that father Nash and team, they used to pray so much that some days they won't even eat. So it seems once the person who rented the house for father Nash told Finney that please go and check what is going on because they are not coming outside the house and I can only hear people crying inside. Why? Why were they crying? They were travelling for lost souls. That was how the ministry of the intercessor, father Nash was. So what Finney says is that the reason his crusades were so powerful is because father Nash and his team were travelling for many days, weeks and months. That is when souls were being saved. But at one point father Nash died. He died and Finney says after that he tried the crusades but not those many people were saved. It was nothing compared to how it was when Nash used to pray for him. And apparently after trying many things Finney actually sort of gave up doing these crusades because he didn't see the power that he used to see earlier. But the point is, here's the point. The point is someone is travelling and you can see the power of God at move when there were people praying for the ministry, for the evangelism. So even today whenever we do things remember, remember you need like a power backup. How are we going to get it? When we engage in prayer in general and the deep level of prayer in travelling. So this is how even in the past when we read about any revival you'll find there were people who were very sincere in prayer. They even went to the deep level of prayer. They cried and it is said about father Nash. It seems once somebody checked like what is going on in this house? Why are people crying? When they kind of looked through they saw people were all on the floor like flat, you're flat on your face and crying out to God. Like that for two days, three days, weeks they used to cry to God. And no wonder you know today we have all the pictures and all hanging because God worked powerfully through their lives. Right? But there's so much for us to learn from their example and their experiences. So let me just stop here. If you have any questions we can answer about travail too deeper. Too deep. Yes. Okay. So during prayer like what do we generally do we have the same tongues or does it change? That's what you're asking. So it can change Joseph but for some people it may remain the same also. But you don't worry about that because we are only like sort of releasing the utterances that the Holy Spirit is giving us. So surely your prayer is being heard so that you don't have to worry no matter how your tongues sounds. Right? And also tongues is like it's like a human language in many ways. When we are baptized in Holy Spirit at that point we may speak one word, two words like how children babies speak, right? Like just one word, two word slowly they'll speak one sentence, they'll speak two, three sentences. So the more we pray in tongues, the more we pray in the spirit. You'll find that you're speaking a lot of words. So it takes time. So just keep practicing that's all. Sure. Right. So there is a question on the chat here. Brother Sanjay, could you give us an example of how not to be like Esau? Maybe some real life examples where people have lost their calling. Okay. I don't know if I can comment on like with names of people who have lost their calling. I think there are, it's a little bit of a tricky subject, Brother Sanjay, because even though like to our perception we see that someone is far away from God, I don't know if I can state for sure that, you know, they have fallen away or they no longer are saved. That's between God and them, right? But I can always tell you, you know, giving up on our spiritual blessings and our calling, right? Examples, examples of people. Okay. Maybe how about you guys? You have any examples that are coming to your mind right away, giving up on your calling? I remember, you know, somebody like Catherine Kuhlman, we spoke about Catherine Kuhlman, one of our sessions here on campus. And we said that there were some things that went wrong in her life. And after that, she stopped preaching, because she felt that she's just not, you know, acceptable among the people acceptable by God. But eventually, you know, God helped her to come back and to minister. So yeah, I can only think of her right now. I'm sorry, I'm not able to give you any other names. Oh yeah, yeah. Charles Ram, Alexander Davy. Okay, Alexander Davy. So in the life story of Alexander, John Alexander Davy, we, you can read about him. He was so strong in God and many things were right. But he started preaching error. Okay, so that is something that you can look at. So he kind of went away. Passionate, but you know, sincerely wrong with his doctrine, eventually. So I can also think of him right now. So maybe you can just go ahead and you know, read about these people and see what happened in their lives. Is that okay, Brother Sanjay? Okay, sure. Thank you. I can see the question bubbling, but it's not coming out. Yeah, yeah. Correct. Yes, yes. Sure. Yes, yes. Yeah. So I heard someone say about empathy and sympathy, you know, when they teach emotional intelligence, they say, which one? Yeah, putting yourself in the shoes of another person. So they use this, this example, they said, it's like empathy, imagine a child gets hurt. Okay. And I mean, I'm not, I'm not promoting this, but I'm just saying I heard this. The dad says, Oh, so sad. Okay. And the mother says, Ouch, meaning she feels the pain, whereas somebody is just observing the child and saying, Oh, that child is going through pain. So sympathy is when you look at another person's pain from your view perspective, but empathy is when you feel it like as if they would feel it. So that is empathy. So what Akhil is saying is in indecisory prayer, empathy is so necessary. Yeah, sure. But also Akhil, there's a, there's always, for everything, no, there's a limit. Okay, so we feel for them. But at the same time, after we have done our praying and everything, the ball is in their court, like they also have to take responsibility. You know what I mean? So we can't keep doing their responsibility. You can't take it upon ourselves so much, because we see like, especially in leadership, we deal with so many people we take, we carry everyone's pain, you know, we take their burdens, but there we need to know how to, yeah, know the limit. Otherwise, it's going to be very difficult because you're feeling for the whole world. And then you're just a human being, right? We are so limited. So even to be so empathetic may not be healthy. Okay, fine. So I think we don't really have many questions. We can pray and close the class. Would anyone from our batch here like to pray? I can pass the mic. Akhil. Okay. But the mic is here. Please use the mic. Let's pray. Gracious loving Lord, we thank you for enabling each one of us to be gathered here in your presence to learn your word, to learn your will, and also to meditate on what is being taught. We thank you for all the faculty who passionately teach and preach what they're called to. We pray for your presence and peace in this place and that we pray that we will draw one step closer to you each passing day. We commit the rest of the day into your precious care. In Jesus mighty, match the same day today. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Akhil. Thank you, everyone. God bless you. I trust that, you know, you will go deeper in your intercession. So why for now we'll connect in our next class.