 Hey everybody, thank you for coming. I'm Rocío, Andrea and Joseline are part of the diversity and accessibility team and we're here with the winners of the accessibility mentioned at USAR 2021. Natalia, Yuis, Virginia and Pao. To start with, I would like to ask you to introduce yourselves and tell us a little bit of what your presentation was about. Hi all, my name is Natalia Morandera. I am a researcher in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I'm a biologist and oncologist. My presentation was about obtaining reproducibility reports on wildfires, handling special data on thermal hotpots and obtaining reports, motivated by the fires in the Paraná River Delta in 2020. Hi, I'm Joe Rebilla. I'm a bioinformatician doing my PhD on Barcelona. And my talk was about the package submission process on CRAN and the common problems and the common state for new users. Hi everyone, thanks for having us here. Paola and I are here representing the whole team. We're actually six authors here. And we presented the results of the first Latin American R Survey use. Explain a little bit of what are the good things of using R in Latin America, what are the bad things and what we can do to improve the use for our users. So we would like to start asking you what was your motivation for making an accessible presentation for use R? And if that was something new to you. Well, my first motivation was that I was participating, collaborating in the organization of the conference, and I saw that accessibility was taken seriously and was being discussed by all the teams. And also guidelines were provided for the authors. So I wanted to follow that guidelines and to include all the people that would have a barrier to attend my presentation. And I was also moved by a blind person that was involved in the participation because in the organization of the conference, because in one of the first meetings of the team, we were discussing on the slides during several minutes. And after several minutes, she write in the chat of the meeting, I can see that that chart. So, well, I think that I cried in that moment and sometimes we don't even realize who we are, we are living behind. So she taught me why it's important to include all the people we can. Yes, well, we were also motivated by the organization who did an amazing job trying to make this an accessible event. And actually, all of the authors are part of the our latest community. So we have in mind the idea of trying to promote inclusiveness in gender. And so, we wanted to expand that to people who have other needs, like you just mentioned, people who may be blind or deaf, whose which conference materials have not been yet so accessible for them. So we were very much motivated to do so. And also as part of the Latin American community, we wanted to encourage people to open the door for other non English speakers. So it was great that the conference organizers allowed us to present in our language, giving the resources necessary for English speaking persons to understand but also for Spanish people person to understand. So that was great. We would also like to know from you, if making these slides accessible this presentation accessible, represented any challenge for your workflows, and how did you learn to do this or what did you have to change in your way of working to do this extra step. Well, I had never prepared a starting up presentation before so that that was the first thing I when I had to learn. I was, I had the help of a previous meetup of our lady, so Pablo. So, has helped from the clinic at the channel in the Latin hours luck. And also a colleague was learning with me how to do prepare a song and presentation, because she also submit an accessible presentation to the conference, the second one was what a proper text is. So, for example, saying fewer one dot png is not a proper text you had to think what what what you had to say to write what type of chart it is, what is showing the, what are the axis showing what what you are plotting so any reader can interpret the, the text and take their own conclusions. And I had some previous experience on that. Because of the translation of the teaching touch together book by read with some that is a meta sense and already is project. And the second the third thing I had to learn is how to add English and Spanish captains in my YouTube video, because as Virginia said I wanted to, to make my video accessible for English speakers and also for Spanish speakers. And for non non native English speakers, and also that gave confidence for me because if I my parents, my English pronunciation was not the best one. Well, I need to speak an English speaker can read the captions and that would be fine. Yeah, for me it was also that the first time doing a sharing and presentation. And while I learned from online and the big net and other resources. And, but I think it was easier for, thanks to the guidelines that also quite fight a lot how to do. But I also had to learn about the providing alternative text. And because, well, I kind of use that for social media that I manage a couple of organizations, but for presentations it was different because I would need to describe the access the content. And also as my plots depended on a database, well, an analysis. If I change it something I needed to update the captain, the text at the end I just decided to leave that until the end. And that was easier to do that instead of doing every time I run again the analysis. So the next follow up question would be if you have some feedback from friends or from people in the community. Where did you get help to to finish polishing your presentations. I already mentioned that, but it wasn't the chalice channel in the, that is a channel we created in the in the Latin our slack to discuss presentations and abstract submission for this conference and for other conferences. And also with a colleague and with our ladies meetups. So here is a slack. Gathering our user from Latin America. That is also that also is the support of the Latin our conference. If for example we share the, the, the guideline, the, the requirements for extra submissions for several conferences. And we have to provide feedback feedback on the abstract, the slides, the videos. So it's great. It's a great space. We actually weren't alone as mentioned before we were six in the team so we get a lot of feedback from each other we, we all have different ideas and different point of views. And once again, I cannot leave out to mention that just a link to us was part of our team and she was key in trying to help to change some things in the starting and presentations and actually being able to portray things acting an accessible way that was also great. But as the girls just mentioned the clinic I told us channel was also a place to help each other with the English. We also corrected that when submissions had to be done in English and not in Spanish. So it's definitely recommended to join if someone wants to present and get some feedback. I didn't have a slack channel to ask for feedback. But I posted my presentation my slides on Twitter to see if someone volunteer some information or some comments, but I didn't have any answer or common, but I presented or showed my slides to my sisters to my sisters and they provided okay hi this slide or this other one. So it's very kind to follow up more or less my slides and my presentation. And I also shared my slides with Stephanie put land from their manager committee manager from Europe inside and she also provided a comment about making clear some slides to where that I was drawn. And that's all the feedback I got about my, my presentation. I also tried a lot of times to record myself to make a good presentation but that's just my, my own reinforcement. Now, based on your experience, we are curious about what did you like the most about the process of making accessible presentations. I like the learning process. A lot. And the fact that finally a blind person could attend my talk. For my slides I focus a lot on the message I want to deliver. I think that on other slides I just already have the thing that I want to present and then I, or the plot I want to present and then I create the content around that. This presentation was the other way around. I wanted to get to give a message. And then I created all the plots and all the slides to to to give that message and that to give that message I also had to make the slides accessible. So it was like the main point to give this message to to make it accessible to all. And that was what I like it most to give this message. I think all the teams are the, this feeling of golf are a pleasure to work as a team and we learn from each other, but it was also great to learn about accessibility and use what we learn to improve the material and to understand the importance of it. It was a, we also feel that we were helping to improve the inclusiveness in the conference and that motivates us to to work hard on the presentation and what we did. Do you have any advice for people who have never talked about making accessible presentations but would like to to start. I think that the most important recommendation is our advice is to think of your possible audience, all your possible audience and put yourself in their shoes. So try to think what efforts are they doing to attend your talk and what information do they need to understand your content and also sometimes it might be very used to write a text or to learn saring on, but those several people who have more barriers than you are doing greater efforts to attend your talk. So you, it's nice if you can help them to include them. I would say that don't try to to mark all the check boxes at first because if you look that way it's daunting all the things that you could do and it's a long list. And it's also it's not a checkbook list that you need to think and then you are done with accessibility, but I start to small and you can start like providing easier plots to interpret like providing. You can start to provide several aesthetics with the same information to make it easier to this thing like points from different color and also different shape to make it easier for people that have some kind of visibility problems to distinguish between them. But that's small with each plot making it easier to to see and understand for other people and from there you can build up and provide more captions alternative text or other useful thing that make it easier to follow you on your presentations. And we think that the first thing to do is to put yourself in the in other shoes to understand what we have to do to include them. In our case it was having people to guide us in the field of accessibility was an advantage but you also have a lot of resources and recommendations for example you can look at the user accessibility blog post that help us a lot. And the other thing is is this is the first time you try to improve your materials or what you do. You can try to change things one one thing at a time and get feedback from from the community and from the people you are trying to include so you can start doing things and but in a good way. Thank you so much. I wanted to ask you a little something extra is that we cannot have but notice seeing that everyone here is a non native English speaker. Do you think this has something to do with the fact that when asked to make an accessible presentation. You sat and thought about it with careful. Do you have any comment about this. Probably because we are we are aware of our barriers because of the of the language. I was asked here also because of being in in low income countries. Also because of the communities in which we participate our ladies. I was about to say the same thing that Natalia said as non English speakers we're also we're always being imposed these barriers of writing academic things in English or or making our ways in the language. And this was actually I believe one of the first times besides Latin hour which is in another language, which also allows abstract in English, but there is some diversity there and inclusion, but generally most conferences are in English, and actually, as part of our in the survey we performed we asked if people knew about some of the conferences and have participated in them. And most of them didn't even knew about them, let's participate there. And, of course, English was some of the barriers time the cost of traveling was a huge barrier as well. So yes this was like a great idea. And as Paul said it was an experience we could not not participate since it was online. So yes, I mean many of us took this and I wanted to to make it the best we could and accessibility was one of the main goals of the conference so yes. Yes, a last question would be, will you continue to the accessibility practices in future presentations. Do you think that you will use some of those things. All of those things do you think that there's room for improvement in accessibility in your own practices. I try to use accessibility answering and presentations in my computer conference presentations, maybe for teaching. When I, for teaching I have all my slides already prepared so I try to change, as Paul say, or at least one by a time. For social network posts like Twitter is very easy to add. So I'll do it. Yeah, surely. Yeah, I plan to continue providing this activity futures. I have a workshop on September that I also try to organize and prepare the slides with charting and to include text. And well on other presentations I will try also to provide all the futures. One thing I would like to improve is providing also the captions for my video if there is a recording, because I was all conscious about my pronunciation on my talk. And also use my pain and to make it easier for all to understand myself, and also to check if my pronunciation is right. But yeah, I will continue using this activity practices. Thank you all for your time again, and I repeat what you all have been saying I do believe this is a small not necessarily small extra step that is essential to put ourselves outside of the center for for for a while and and I'm so glad that this was a nice step of first step for for many of you. So thank you so much for your time in your effort and work. Thank you for coming. Thank you so much. Great night thanks to you for all their forts also. Thank you. Thanks to you.