 Your mum sucks. Your mum will waste my phone. Should we just start it like something like that? It's different how he's in his battles, isn't it? He has to hype himself up before the camera gets on. We're getting deep now. So it's not hyping myself up. I just like foreplay. Is this on? This is foreplay. My thing is the real thing. You know when you get done fucking and you got to wait a little bit before you go in again? It's like that with Pedro. Time. You don't get to rebut that. No, rebut on him saying you're like a second shag. A second shag? You're like a weapon bag. Not in rhyme. I mean for once just talking. What is it he said to say again? He's saying that he would have to wait a while until he gets hyped up to battle you again. Me? I'm always calm until I... No, I don't even know. You said that so chill. I think that I'm more hyped before a battle. When a battle actually calms down these days. When it's written I usually get hyped but when it's freestyle I'm chilled just because... I don't even know if that answers your question. It didn't really but we can read about it. Are we starting the real end of you? How much preparation have you actually done? Because you do so many varying levels of preparation but you always do well. But how much have you done for this? I've done more than the old Shea one for this. But I haven't written for that one. But yeah I've done more than the old Shea one. Basically... How much was the old Shea one? The old Shea one I had most of my first... Well I had about just over a minute and I made that minute last three minutes because I got such good reaction. But it's true and in the second round I must have had like eight bars and I thought there was shit so I took them out. Basically I've written the two rounds at the beginning and put it in one round and that's why my first round was like sick. And then my second two were mostly freestyle. But like as I was freestyling the clocks like I've got rhyme schemes that I was freestyling with so I bought them in and some of it was written that looked like freestyle shit like that. But this one, my first two rounds are like... I've got two rounds written but I'm going to freestyle in the two rounds anyway. My third round freestyle. You're going to freestyle the third round? Yeah, people want to see me freestyle. I feel like in here say that and not be like fuck's sake. No, not a blanket. That sounds heavy. I don't want to have three written rounds because I'll spit three written rounds. I want to be able to freestyle something and you get me? Yeah. And it's going to pop. I stick up a man with a mango knife, lit up a man like a lamppost knife Leave man rather than nando rice but fuck that shit but it's dad joke time. I tied it with a kango sign. I didn't even know he was probably like... I told him I got my passport. I want to get it in. And he's all like... It's the cat Pedro man. You like him. He's kind of like you whatever the fuck. So I was like okay whatever. I didn't even know he was going to... I didn't even know he was like... He was like really a big name. I was kind of mad at first. I was like... I was like down. I was like down. My first battle on Dunflop. I wanted to be a big name. But I didn't know he was... I didn't know he was like... But I watched one of his battles and I still didn't know he was big. He just said something about... I'm going to side-amize you for the side-amizing that you did to your kid or something. I was like aw man I like that kind of shit. And then like... So I'm like... So it's that right there. Let me just not give a fuck if it was big enough. But then I found out it was big enough. And I was like oh okay that was plus. You know what I'm saying? I pretty much got him in the middle of his umbro sign prime. It's mom's joke time. Your mom's got a tattoo of the umbro sign. It's actually the best time to battle. No that is. This couldn't be a bird. Yo I've got a question for you. See when you do your actions when you rap your profile. Do you plan that out? Do you plan how you move when you rap? Oh that shit everybody. Like what? Your move? Your arm will like... Because you always do like mad actions when you rap. Do you plan that out? I'm going to plan that shit. I actually uh... I just let myself... I just let loose. You know what I'm saying? That's all I do. I let loose. And I just let myself get possessed by hip hop. And that's just straight hip hop doing that. The battle's going on in a different channel. Like when I'm doing like this and just... You have to understand you can't comment, don't flop and say possessed by hip hop. Those kind of phrases are bad from 2007 on. I think it's part of a bar. Like whenever my hands move with the bar. Like I think like after I say the bar and I know that my hands do that. Like it's because I'm like letting loose. Like it's kind of like how Raiden would let his electricity come out. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm letting my bar out. Like this is kind of how I do it. The bar's shooting out. The more I hear you talk, the more I think it's a better battle. Like we thought it was good. We thought it was a good battle. It is a good battle. But the more I hear you say this shit. Because this is the kind of shit he comes out with. This is the kind of shit he comes out with. In the fucking backseat of a car on the way home from it. You're the first one to put it on camera and start talking about Bruv, I feel like I'm raiding. How does it feel to go from basically being hated to being like completely top five loved in the league in like two battles? Because that's what I really want to know. It feels good. But I always knew that would happen though. Because like I was, I don't even know. I just knew it would happen in it. Like I was a hundred percent sure that I was going to be the sickest freestyler at least. And like yeah, basically I'm not even there yet. Like I've got a lot more sick shit to come. Like my best, like that old Cheyenne. That was like 50% how good I can do. Same with Lyft when it was like 30. Like I can mark any of that shit. You get me? I just have to be in the right mood. That's it. It doesn't matter how much bars I've got. The mood for killing someone in the battle. Like I will get the whole crowd popping. You get me? It's more about my personality. And if I'm like shook about the battle and not really thinking I'm going to do sick, I won't do sick. I have to know. Like for the last like year, every battle had gone in. Like I didn't even see any way I could have got beat. Just because like I've been too confident. Yeah. How does that make you feel that like you're so cool now? And your voice really calm people. But the second you step on stage, it's game over for both of you. Part of the game. It's like it's not just like, like I don't feel like, I know like there's people who battle who like need to get into like a mind frame where they're like, I hate this guy. Like I absolutely hate him and this is why I hate him or shit. I've never really felt like that. Like I've always been super competitive. Like I played sports in high school and shit. Like I don't know what to shit like competitive and this is just like another avenue for that. And I've never felt like I had to hate the other team or the other person to perform to the best of my ability. Do you feel the same? Yeah, it's like it's like a sport. And if you played sports and I like the boxing when I was young. So I understand that as soon as you in that ring, it's a different mindset and you're trying to damage each other. But as soon as you're outside, it's all you know what I'm saying. It's all you know what I'm saying. You shake hands. Puts gloves. That's what it is, 100%. And do you both feel like there might be any bias either way to either of you tomorrow? And if so, like based on anything? I think a lot of, um, like my sort of plan for this battle is like to create bias towards me. But in what way do you mean sorry? At the angles of shows. Create bias towards you. Does that worry you? I'm sure it's not worried. I've got a complete opposite. Yeah. Like, yeah. The complete opposite. So, yeah. Um, I always felt like because C's always got like a huge buzz in London that I was always going to be coming into like sort of hostile territory or people who want to see C do well or whatever, like, not say London's going to be bias against me. Like London's always been cool with me and never shown any bias against me, but I feel like they're really going to be like fucking with C. So I chose a lot of angles that are going to try and I feel the opposite. I feel like coming into the battle. I feel like Don't Flop exists like outside of UK Hip Hop and stuff. It exists its own entity and I feel like the fans with Don't Flop like they do crossover a little bit because obviously they see you on here and then they go and watch the videos or whatever. But my fan base exists outside of Don't Flop and I've got a little one inside as well, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like Seoul's fan base in Don't Flop is a lot stronger than mine and I feel like when it's got announced I was seeing a lot of the comments and there was a big bias towards you. That's how I feel about it. Yeah, but sorry. I think like what I'm talking about is inside the venue. Like a lot of these people are going to be posting like because I have a pretty vocal fan base but it's a lot of people from Scotland or whatever who are not going to be there because like I'm the only sort of active Scottish battler in like English leagues and overseas and stuff. So like a lot of them like get behind me like on pay-per-views and stuff like that. So I think like the bias online is not going to be reflective. I don't think there's going to be bias in the room but in case there is like that's the sort of angle I'm looking for. And like how do you both feel about Tony like giving it up? Would you rather would each of you rather you were just the next guy to battle Tony or are you happy that you're battling each other? What's the better outcome? You know what it is? Yeah, like I don't actually want to battle Tony because I think he is like a really like safe guy but like the just for like legitimacy like of the title. I think like whichever one of us wins there's always going to be the ah but Tony would never lost type thing like he retired in the field but to be fair like he has to give it up at some point you know what I mean you can't just keep battling for like years and years and there's a point like there's always going to be like someone you know what I mean like you see it in the UFC or in boxing or whatever like they're always like oh this is the guy this is the guy that's going to be him this is the guy that's going to be him and never is so maybe no one would have ever beat Tony but for the legitimacy the sake of legitimacy of the title and it would have been better for the title if I battled Tony but I don't know if I would actually enjoy the process of writing who do you think would be a harder opponent to see your Tony I think C thinks that Tony would be a harder opponent than me so do you feel like who would you think so it was harder or Tony's like yeah Tony it's basically you're both looking at each other thinking like I've got a second place title of second best and don't flop if I give you the trophy whoever gets it it's going to be a bronze or silver trophy I'm going to change I'm going to change up the trophy for this one with a little message being like you tried it coming off of that yeah like when me and cracker won the two on two thing as old people were saying we were the same legitimacy questions for Tenshi and Lego I'm saying because they felt like obviously we won it fair and square we went through the processes we were asked to go through and we won the title because Tenshi and Lego hadn't battled us and we didn't win it off them people felt like it's not the thing is like we can only battle who's put in front of us it's not like either of us are ducking Tony or whatever it's like Tony doesn't want the title anymore alright so we need a new champ like a lot of people think that writing and rapping are like two separate things but a lot of them like there's crossover or whatever like cadence or whatever like obviously you need to be able to rap to like pull off the cadences but cadence is like you write the cadence you don't just like write a bunch of words and then hope that it comes out with a specific cadence so like yeah I think like you just come from like a writing background or whatever I feel like that's a big difference as well because there's people like DNA and even clips sometimes I read clips yeah DNA garbage but like like the way he raps he'll say one bar and then he'll have like 10 seconds before the rhyming word for the next bar comes in and it's like that's just trash like you have to you have to kind of there's that's why when you listen to certain people it's like naturally me where I like I like rappers and I like I like good rappers obviously but like with the way some of these these URLs guys come across like DNA like prime example where they don't pay respect to the art form at all and it's just like that's why I don't know man I don't even know what but yeah basically the point is that you feel like with the title whoever you wins it the next opponent is like even if dialect he's a very rapping kind of guy do you know what I mean if Shotty did do it he's rap I feel like yeah I think we're in agreement of the way these to go forward is people who are just spitting bars and you don't have to rap like you're rapping to a beat but I think it really helps now if you have some kind of rap like you said you can write bars with some kind of intention to deliver it with a cadence like because there isn't a beat like it's why like Maltes are so important in like the acapella format cause it like creates like a rhythm naturally like when you say it rather than just like a one syllable thing so like yeah it's the same with cadence like you need to create that rhythm because it isn't like there for you with a beat breaking, breaking, breaking break with my killers it's time for dinner then we dine we need dinner then you dine they put the footage on loop like I did it for the vine don't never get increased he's a technical rapping ability and his ability to rap the cadence is that he writes is a lot better than mine yeah it's like really good breath control and really good stage presence it's the way you construct your scheme and like just full Maltes that's not my style so like that's definitely an advantage you have over me and it definitely goes off with a crowd because it just brings that energy kind of thing but then I think the energy that I actually perform with I think that's my advantage 100% I feel like I can capture a room a bit better but then you've battled on big stages as well and you haven't had as much energy but you've brought it to the crowd so I'm not even saying you want to battle each other we can do a fourth round complements if you want to be real come on this is the least fun that I've ever had like preparing for a battle I'm glad you said that I wanted to ask that because like I don't really have like that much bad to say about C like as a person or a battler it's just like purely a competition thing yeah and it's just like tough man when you don't actually can't think of anything like really that negative to say about someone like it's not so much fabricating but it's you have to you have to pull stuff out both of you haven't been in I don't know for like a year do you feel like different from what you've seen or do you feel like it's the same but flop you in like a year and a half ago whatever how do you feel I feel like it's pretty much the same like don't flop always as a fun crowd like supportive crowd that you know makes a lot of noise and gives good reactions so I feel like the scene is pretty much the same I just find you guys have integrated a lot of new ideas that you are always doing I see these grime clashes now I've never heard of like Bamalamb was real the reloads and everything was crazy do you think he's going to hit you? yeah I mean he's going to do bad bars I mean like he should spend like a good 24 bars of just bad bars and be like you know I'm doing bad I'm doing what you do yeah so have you reached have you reached the level now where you look back at some things and think that was a bad bar are you still like adamant it wasn't Pikachu I mean where are you at with it now if you kind of accept your place in history about bars or you want to gather who to share the thing about bad bars I mean the Pikachu won don't try to justify I mean I'll say it I'll say it once I say it every time you know I mean I started the scheme off I said I said I got a ghastly scheme for you the word ghastly means bad it means horrific exactly yeah so I said I have a ghastly scheme for you but when you called me and I told you not to see it don't do this the point is that it was supposed to be bad it was supposed to be bad I didn't write you any bad bars but I got a ghastly scheme for you your horsey my charm and her pants come off thrown across the freaking room I squirt all over her jiggly puffs but that ain't something he would do he'd rather poke a man to the Bulbasaur sack is what Pete could chew from one battle to the next I kind of weave them together so against Bambalina I did a rock scheme and then when I said yeah yeah so then whatever it was against Homeboy who was that against against Thesaurus I said I have a more grimy scheme for you now I could have clearly said I have a grimy scheme for you but I said a more grimy scheme for you which means I was going to include some grime folk grime people you know what I mean like some of the dudes were actors and some of them weren't really grime but at the end of the day I said I have a more grimy scheme for you that's our point that you were like I'm going to do a grimy scheme let me mention some actors that's my point I didn't say I'm going to do a grimy scheme I said I'm going to do a more grimy scheme yeah which should mean they should all be grimy no it means that the other scheme had no grimy people and this has more grimy so where does the music scheme where have you got left to go no I mean I mean let me tell you I'll give you guys a little background you know what I mean I'm going to I'm going to throw my I'm going to throw my bameland battle like I really just kind of like kept things focused on my opponent and then my arcane battle arcane was using like so many random schemes against me nothing to do with me and I had like two weeks because I don't write until until like I'm done until the new pokemon season comes yeah right so I basically was like I got three weeks to write and I don't know anything about this so I'm going to just write a bunch of random schemes and it's the first time I've ever did it and it worked I'll give you I'll give you your due then both battles the football schemes are fucking incredible thank you like there's absolutely unfoldable in that way even though personally I'm not a football fan but you did it in a way how I feel that's a good example of a scheme where you made it obvious where the where the word plays were and whatever and I feel like the Peter Crouch it was perfect yeah that was great yeah I feel like I'm not I wasn't going to do the the second football scheme except for the fact that there's Peter Crouch yeah it's a good place you know what I mean so I mean in those two so the first time I came over here battled Ben Milan and I'm like all right yo things went good I got to come back I got to battle the source and I mean out here you know it's judge battles right so I was like I want to beat the source and I think I know how to beat the source and it's going to involve a lot of schemes and ridiculous stuff you guys gave the source to win off of one round against matter that is true and you guys gave me a loss off of two rounds that I might have probably won out of three yeah so I'm like what I need to do is he's not doing the nod this time what I need to do is I want to get this win against the source so I did exactly what I thought would get the win against the source and it did and I knew that nobody in North America would get anything of it because there's a completely catered to but it worked though you know what I mean and that was that but at the end of the day it gives a lot of gives a lot of ammo to future opponents and anybody who wants to say anything it's probably going to quiz you about all these football references and everything and be like football I'm good be like ok no Wikipedia now who did this who did that I'm good with football you know I've been trying to get on bad bars like Boston Backwards and all that shit they sleep on me so have you seen like run any of your shit by each other to be like is this a bad box yeah he ran Stegosaurus right by me you actually said Stegosaurus for this event for this event no but for the Stegosaurus one I remember like I was just kind of freestyle great performance Stegosaurus and I go back on point like a Stegosaurus I didn't know if it was good he's like I ain't going to lie be that's kind of fucking yeah sure and then live and then live when he spit it I was standing there like he was like like it was the first bar and I kind of covered my face like oh it's probably like the person I show my bars to the most and I didn't know if the Stegosaurus line was good he's like you're like it's pretty fire then I spit it live and it's cricket so I look at bullets and he's laughing oh my fuck I just got played by 100 bullets Lunacy in under 24 hours you're making your return to Don't Flop and battle rap in general how do you feel good man I'm excited definitely yeah what are you most excited about just battling again and having that adrenaline rush of getting big reactions from a bar just from like battle rapping perform to bigger crowds than this but I just know this will give me a lot more satisfaction just because getting reactions for bars is just something you can't get through performing music you can they hear the odd bar and they will react but like just saying one bar in the whole room just going off like that's a buzz that you can only really get from battle rap you are the product of a shag gone wrong on a snapped condom a couple days ago I turned my laptop on and saw a friend request from your sister on match.com so I took the bitch to your yard and fucked her with my forearm when I pulled my hand out I had your dad's watch on when did you start thinking that you wanted to you get that feeling again when I came to the Leeds event what was the last Leeds event the birthday yeah just to be honest I've never been to a battle event other than the Halloween one and I performed there yeah like that's the first event I've ever been to where I wasn't performing and I've kind of avoided it I knew that if I did that I'm going to get the itch and I have to battle again like I've always said that and it happened like I watched everybody battle and I was like fuck this I need to do it if I'm honest I can't really fuck with any other Leeds in the UK over in Dot Flop for a lot of reasons like mainly because just they don't have their shit together as much and secondly just because it would just feel like a dick move like it makes much more sense to come back to Dot Flop man like that's where where my battle fan base is I'm not even going to lie Brad even watched battle rap that's not because I don't like it like I was the biggest battle geek in the world like I watched every battle of every league the second it came out but just like being such a big fan and then going into it and getting like a massive reaction and like I'm not sucking my own dick by saying I was the biggest name in battle rap in the UK pick up Michael White it's not your fault it's not your fault yeah yeah so like so like going from being just a fanboy to being like a big fan of Dot Flop or whatever that it kind of just burnt my fucking head out to the point where I couldn't even watch battle rap anymore it just was too much from my head and being mentioned in battles where I haven't even met the people I don't even know who they are I've clicked on a new tryout and they both mentioned me I'm like one of my favourite things that has come out of you not battling has been though the numerous times you've you've agreed do you know what Twitter it's enough of replying to haters yeah yeah I love when those tweets three hours later three hours later you fucking fuck it blah blah blah that's one thing about that's a major thing about battle rap with me because I'm that same like I've got that ego and that drive to like what want to prove myself as a rapper and like if anybody says anything about like negative about how like I just I get that reaction where I want to be like now fuck me listen as I spit Jed the sea in lunar sea stands for this year I don't really care it's cool man like he's the only guy who anyone can really call a dope flop legend you know what I mean like there's a lot of dudes who are the man of the moment or they're like he's a dope flop legend you don't feel like you are as well you know what I mean even though it's only six battles what you did not really I could never call myself a battle legend after doing I think I had a bigger impact than most ever will well not ever will but like have well actually yeah like there's not many I'm always going to be remembered for doing that yeah sometimes I have to remind myself to look at it as like from my sixteen year old self point of view and like look what the fuck I've done and just be happy for like being kind of a name in this shit at all do you know what I mean and like the fact that I've gotten up that's kind of why I've took this battle too man cause I'm like it's getting another two three years I might not get that opportunity so I'm like I'm a dickhead if I don't apart from me being a better MC you're a bitch you ain't never been street I don't care where you're from faggot you weren't me where I'm from Philadelphia's a spreadable cheese I have my fans who like my battles already and that's from three years ago I watched my battles and I'm like I can do much better so like whoever liked my battles is going to like this because it's better like it's so how is it better than before for the other six like the thing is me when I first started battling I tried to my thing was I always want I never want to do a serious battle and I never want to do a pure jokes battle I like having a balance of like a perfect balance of jokes have to be like if my jokes are bars I don't just say a shaggy mom there has to be something clever and it's just as much of a bar as if I'd have said it about a gun or if I'd have said it by breaking down their style it's just as technical and just as much work goes into it and it's just as clever like people try to discredit it but I think that's bullshit I'm excited you seem like what do you feel like when I announce you come down the walkway what do you think we're going to walk out and you can just like a lot of the changes in battle rap over the last few years I haven't really liked or taken to and I've kind of but I've just I've just got into it so much where I'm finding shit that I like again and put in my style like and I don't know I was going to ask is there any people you feel like you're inspired by in the last couple of months or is it still just the same old name Shuffle tea and Marlo massively like they've just took it to a new level that I don't think I could do the way they perform is just ridiculous it's not it is rap like a lot of people say oh but they're not but they've they could out wrap most rappers the way they put bars together but like I see it in the way what they like it isn't rap at the same time it's like performance and usually I think that's kind of get it out of you when people look at but they just smash it you have a question too would you do two on twos again maybe man I'd love to see back into it there's a few guys I'd like to team up with as well I'd like to do another one no matter because I think we was a good team but I would I think there's a couple of people I'd like to like me and Kruger would kill it that would be crazy someone said that to me on twos it's a shame Kruger doesn't rape you at all do you as a person no you two would be crazy yeah in the other English people you'd love to team with nah so it'd just be like me, like matter you have to have a relationship the person to work minus minus yeah me and my boy minus who I wrap with outside of battling he's never battled I think he'd absolutely smash it I've been trying to get into battle since I battled and he's never really been too interested but I think I'm getting there you said earlier that you watch your old battles and said you know you realize these days you could do a lot better so critiquing yourself what do you think that was maybe a week you know obviously you have a lot of strong points but what was a weakness back then that you feel like you've polished up these days like why are you going to be better now than you were back then the bars my bars are just 10 times better in my opinion like I'm just going to in this battle I'm not going to do too much serious shit but there is some just straight bars that aren't jokes at all but with the joke stuff as well I think even that's improved because when I was writing for those battles I was like 19 and my sense of humour was a little bit more childish than I am and I think it's also a weakness as well as a strength that's what a lot people liked about me because I say silly things and stupid rhyme schemes and stuff but I think I might have gone a bit too far with that like back then because I had a silly sense of humour and I just like talking about people's mums fanies all the time like that was just me as a person outside of battle rap too so like that I think I've reined that in a little bit more and kind of like I'm not going to say anything like that unless it's fucking funny or like it's going to tear the roof off I mean so yeah I think I've just mastered my style and kind of updated it and made it a bit like the bars have just got much better but the jocks should be a lot funnier too I just think improved I know it's a bit of a cop out as an answer but it's just every angle like everything should have improved I'm from out here I'm from half a world away if I can come into your country and find out everything about you within an hour of being there you fucking suck at cheating on your fish