 Can I make 40 here? So I'm getting over the devastating Dallas Cowboys loss to the San Francisco 49ers in the divisional round on Sunday 19 to 12. I mean devastating for so many reasons the Cowboys almost played good enough to win Devastating knowing that Dak Prescott is locked in to an expensive contract to be our quarterback the next two years and He is at best a mediocre quarterback. I mean just so pathetic that we didn't have Additional weapon like a Murray Cooper on the team who we traded away for a fifth round draft pick. I Mean inside because the San Francisco 49ers came over during warm-ups to intimidate Brent Maher and the Cowboys puncture Brian Anger and And The Cowboys, you know, let them get away with it. I'd let them interfere With the kickers appropriately warming up for the game. So I'm here at Watson's Bay this thing to them and quarter And she's talking with John Tierney. She says that plastic good So John Tierney is kind of resident conservative at the New York Times So John Tierney here on white plastic is good for the planet. Yes Yes, I always think it's the inventions of males that are the true liberators of women a vacuum So this is the end quarter interviewing John Tierney on a sub-staff Well, you know, and the plastic I was just talking to a friend of mine today in Los Angeles I don't have children but he was talking about Subjects changing babies diapers and he's talking about how it's actually it isn't gross because of these throwaway diapers And they have like kitty litter in the lining of the diaper. They said every once in a while He'd be at you know dinner party in LA with some in by-road types. Oh, no, we don't want to do that We get we get me use cloth diapers and we have kicked up every week and clean done brought back Well, how's that for the environment's all these trucks driving around to pick up your laundry, right? And what a great job for people are we doing cleaning your journey? That's really high quality where I mean I'm glad people a job But it's just you know, I mean that was something where the environment's had a campaign against that and then people started actually looking into the environmental impact And this was even before you know carbon emissions that became a big deal They bet how much water was involved how much energy was involved and they finally even the greens gave up and said if you really look at So John Tierney has a lot of contrarian perspectives, right? He says things that I I Wouldn't expect the contrary to the dominant narratives Interesting guy It's hard to say that either one is better for the environment and obviously one is a lot better for humans. Yes Yeah, I mean, I don't even care about the clean impact which you do get into I didn't argument with my contractor on whether The kitchen island should have a separate garbage can for recycling and I'm arguing with you Recycling is good, right? You know, I mean neanderthal could argue that recycling is not good but Is it really? So John Tierney and co represents some pretty strong arguments against This myth of recycling I mean, I am I am a bit of a germaphobe I think most normal people are and that had never even occurred to me just annoyed me that they want me to wash these things out and put them in different I worked for a big law firm in New York when I first got out of law school and they had their separate, you know Paper and plastic and then, you know, you'd work late at night see the cleaning ladies come around and they jumped them all into the same They are yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, that's the cheapest thing to do with it And you know the hygiene thing in the back back when they started they were doing you know There were these studies coming out where they would just count all bacteria and these reusable things and that's going on today They're been studies with these top of these plastic top bags people use for grocery and they always find, you know Colliform bacteria viruses on them there have been cases that like soccer teams have got sick because they've got you know The food with them on a trip and they was in one of these tote bags and everybody got sick and you know You're supposed to wash it, you know every week or every time you use it with nobody does And of course, I mean these bags are so heavy and they use so much plastic It costs so much energy to ship to make them to transport them that they're far worse for you know carbon emissions and you know And they're unhealthier and you know, and who wants to you know, look around tote bags when the grocery, you know Star will give you this beautiful incredibly efficient environmentally friendly thin plastic bag takes up no room in the landfill It takes almost no energy to use it, you know And people just go well, it's just so wasteful to throw it away and you go well, it's made of natural gas, you know So people I mean, I certainly do reuse them by lining Bathroom got a separate plastic bags for all of you know people buy thicker plastic bags for the garbage So it's actually that they looked at San Francisco. They're more sales of thicker plastic You know they use it so many of the things big picture many of the things that we're told are virtuous Not really virtuous and many virtuous things that we could be doing right don't get much attention or encouragement So doing the virtuous thing usually requires some willpower and some extra effort So if you're gonna do the virtuous thing like it really should pay off It's gonna be an inconvenience takes time takes effort All right, then the virtuous thing should have a substantial payoff And they estimated that it increased bag-related emissions by at least 9% maybe doubled You know, I mean so you got more carbon in the atmosphere while everyone's looking around it's inconvenient Ship from China Also compared to paper bags, I think you said that in the landfill the paper bags are biodegradable bags Both of them they admit something something bad for humans or bad for the environment whereas plastic just it's there All right, I mean, it's perfectly stable doesn't do anything. I mean, there's methane that as the you know It just sits there It's basically in two biologists have gone in there and they can read the kind of hoarding instinct You know, I've written about typing a lot of studies of that. They're actually listening to Elliot Blatt. I mean Many of these regulations and many of the things that we're told to do He just gets the sense that it's you know bossy people wanting to boss Their social inferior is around right, so How many of these bossy directives actually are positive for the world? You know, how many of them are actually net neutral how many of them net negative and That's the thing with complicated issues like climate change like how much is it the people on the left? you know want to boss people around want to seize an opportunity to completely, you know take over the economy take over society and You know climate change is just the latest excuse just like when people want to get rid of Donald Trump They tried Russia gate and that failed then, you know, they ginned up black lives matter protests So how much of this do goodery is just people wanting to boss other people around Part Scottish so definitely on the type of side of things so Elliot Blatt How much is your happiness level being raised by the triumphant San Francisco 49ers victory on Sunday? And what do you think of the keys to the game? The NFC championship of San Francisco travels to Philadelphia All right, so presented by Amaral. We've got Elliot Blatt's keys to victory for the San Francisco 49ers NFC championship game But you can squish about a hundred plastic bags into one drawer the paper bags You know you pile up four of us taking off the entire drawer space Right, exactly. I mean it's it's so much more wasteful in so many ways, you know I mean the other thing about but recycling that Professor Jim Twigel is really good both my presuming and elitist in the temptation is one of them And he said that most of us like to think of ourselves who I'm not materialist. I don't need stuff I don't care about that stuff, but then we look at our garbage, you know And we really have a lot of stuff because it's the lipstick on the collar of our love affair with such it And there's this feeling that we can therefore if we recycle it somehow it's less we're getting rid of ellipsoid The other thing about the plastic is I was really interested to find out about this because I've been puzzling, you know for like a couple decades on why do people care so much about this Yeah, I guess this episode is art. Is it so much better for everyone? So it's there's always better products. I mean you're making people with disabilities use plastics bras instead of I mean papers So Elliot Blatt you live in the San Francisco Bay area. This is like a fantastic opportunity For you to bond with your fellow San Franciscans Like are you taking advantage of 49 at dominance? Are you taking advantage of your ability to walk around fully engorged? Like are you taking advantage of that to You know start bonding Your fellow members of the Bay Area community start opening up some new social connections You know start Getting close to people Now while fully engorged Yes, this deep-seated human need to boss other people around now I think some people feel this much more profoundly than other people And it does seem to be primarily Something on the left rather than the right Thousands of years where the ruling classes would decree what products what foods and what clothes people could use and If the ostensible purpose and these really big in the late middle ages, you know, eventually enlightenment and the ostensible purpose Was the same as today's agreement when we're trying to curb And Elliot says the cowboys are homos and I agree Elliot and I mean that's a good thing. I mean that's a great thing So when I say the Dallas Cowboys are gay. I mean that is a compliment, right? This is a homophilic statement And but they never succeeded people, you know, they would ban anyone from using silk except priests They can move no one else could wear a silk for instance But people would just find another luxury product, you know to somehow show their status And they were incredibly elaborate like, you know, no one below the regular count is very impressed with the three silver stripes on it And nobody could reveal the hose unless you were a cavalier and and all these arcane rules And actually people would do go around enforcing these things sometimes But mostly I think they were just ignored they were and they never worked and the mystery the Mr. Scholar's Is a big, you know symposium on this and public said that why do they keep passing these laws that never achieved their purpose And the real answer was because they did achieve their purpose of making the upper classes feel better But you know that it yes, it marked the lower classes couldn't wear a silk, you know A silk dress and you could so this marks you off and if this sort of and it was the purgy and the I mean, this sounds very similar to today's environmental laws. It's the upper classes They're trying to impose their will and bully the lower classes They take advantage of their power Take advantage of their supposedly greater virtue And to bully ordinary people No, most people cast these laws You know Adam Smith brailed against him where he kind of said for people in the upper classes Who are the most wasteful, profligate people in society to be telling everyone else to curb it It's just it's just the height of hypocrisy. You know, I love that the Queen Elizabeth the second And you know really good the first was one of the ones who promised you know to do inordinate excess She was you know demanding it She you know, she banned plastic bottles and straws Yes And this is a woman with one of the biggest carbon footprints in the world And she like six massive residences and she's and she can feel virtuous. I've been a plastic straw. So I'm doing my part And you know, I think today's sumptuary laws are They're not it's not just something that's stated. They're actually being of course You can't get plastic straws or plastic bags in new york whenever i'm going to California or new york from another state half of my suitcase are you know plastic bags from the grocery store And So I believe australia invented dual flush toilets Makes me really proud to Come from this country But there's a california legislature and hotels to offer those little plastic bottles or shampoo. It's like what what is Yes, yeah, so in california I shop at the Beverly Hills bristol farms and very fancy people there and they ask you when you're checking out paper or plastic I've I've always walked to bristol farms. It's like five or six blocks away But i'm in new york and nobody in la walks and you know, I have some fancy Beverly Hills lady in front of the open paper And then we go out the parking lot and she's getting Yeah, it reminds me of parents who like bike around for their kids on their bike But also wonder when pose all sorts of safety regulations on everyone else like biking around With your kid, you know on the back of your bike. That's about the most dangerous thing Now an ordinary suburban parent is likely to do with their kid Range Rover while i'm walking home having to carry all these things with papers and cut it because I watch online Yeah, exactly Also, would you describe the doctor and the train and just reading those stories about how people would drink out of a communal cup So broses me out, right? No, it was called the common cup and and and drinking founds there would be this tin cup It was changed at the fountain at a railroad station and this doctor who started, you know, who started this campaign in Kansas Um, he saw he was on a train and these these tubercular guys with obvious tuberculosis are all just drinking and And then a family gets on they're drinking at the same cup and so You know, they had these great campaigns. There was this character. Um, the Dixie cups had they really were just wonderful asked them they had I mean, I would chose things like during the Spanish, uh, for epidemic They chose skeletons that now is no time for contingent drink Dixie cups, you know And they had a character named Phoebe snow. It was totally dressed in white and and it was let me see I think I actually have that thing somewhere here. Um, what did they say? Oh, yes, you know, but they would show we're sitting on a railroad train and it sat down You've been underwriting Stephen Crowder by 15 million dollars. Yeah, can you believe you? I got a 15 million dollar offer from daily wire now Your articles john in the New York Times since I was I'll be back