 Normally, welcome you back to this think-taker-wise human architecture. This is our 294th episode already, and you are our accumulated viewer, as you just saw. And thank you, Michael, for bringing it up again. And us is the bald triumvirate here again with metnoblet, back in Boston, Massachusetts. This is Soto Brown in his home, Diamond Head, Osipov designed, and me, Martin Despang, back in Munich, Germany. And we will pick up from where we had left last time, how we can get the banished Boston boost to us in Honolulu. And we will tell you more about it in a second. So welcome back, guys. So cheers, because we got a toast on this being together again with beer. How do you like that? Well, it's not September Fest yet, as they actually should call it, because it actually happens in September and not October. You're right on. So let's, why you guys might be confused, you signed into the wrong show. This is human human architecture, but sometimes we get stuck in the discipline or the profession and we try to break out through some metaphorical other vehicles as automobiles, which we have to reconvene our auto architecture show. And today we're going to do beer. And before we start getting into that, we have to say what you are the advocate for this photo, because you stay away from that stuff. And the New York Times up there basically has, you know, backs you up because it says, you know, this rumor of, oh, a little glass here and there is good for you. They say no. But at the very bottom right here, something for you to sort of, I can lure you into this one. And this was me, the menu of our blue note on Alacaua Avenue. And this was Sergio Mendez, the old master that I attended this concert before I left. And it's hard to see actually, you can't see it. So I have to read it to you. One of the favorite choices was Klaus Tala, alcohol free. So that's your weekly German lesson, alcohol free means free of alcohol, non-alcoholic beer. And I did research that Klaus Tala is actually the inventor, at least they pride himself. So this is the German beer brewer that allows you to sort of drink beer. And they promised, you know, it tastes anywhere as good as, but since you're not a beer drinker to begin with, you know, it doesn't quite matter how close it gets, right? So what kind of other beer do we have up there? So we threw in the one for you, Matt, at the very top left because he just visited your daughter. Where does she live? She was in Madrid. All right. So this is your beer here that you drink there. And then next to it is Joey. Joey just came from the island of Sardin. And that's their beer they have there. And he's going to report on what's going on on that island that we can learn from probably in bits and pieces. And then Lenny, who you met, told me it's not like I thought that I totally followed Stefan Benish with our youngest son being Lenny, but it's his older son, right? Being Lenny, though, but no younger, younger. Oh, his younger. Oh, it is this younger. So it's my younger two anyways. And that's how we opened the show. This this show volume here with a volume one, because I was in with him. That you see in the top middle there, the show quote. I was an itchy bond. And itchy bond is obviously an Asian beer, a Japanese beer. But it's also the name itchy bond is the name of the restaurant. Have you ever been dining there in the bottom of your building and Hanover in my hometown in your North FB? I've been no, I've been to the street level, please. Is there one in the basement too? That's the one. That's what I mean. It's a street level. I mean, I'm in different cultures, first and second floor and stuff like that. Now I top that. No, that one. That one, I mean, yeah. Yes, I've been there. So it's a it's a good place. They get there. They're all you can eat lunch there and then you wash it down with with with Kieran, obviously. OK, and then let us get back to Honolulu because this is exciting. And what can beer help us really? I mean, it's basically except that song disorder. You remember one what Germans were singing and saying about why? What was that again? They have no beer in Hawaii. Exactly. And I'm saying that there was a whole crew. There was Paul Kuhn who was saying that who was actually a gifted. He didn't just do kind of songs like that. But he was actually a talented musician, real musician, a jazz musician. And and but that was the song. And that the reason what it says is basically he wanted to find excuses not to go to Hawaii, go figure, right? Who would do that, right? But I guess back in the days, Germans were. Some Germans weren't weren't ready for it, right? So what kind of beer and what they're saying that's that's the point of the song is you don't want to go there because they have no beer. I didn't I, of course, don't know what the lyrics are. That's what he tells his future wife who wants to get married in Hawaii and he uses that lame, stupid excuse. All right. See, now I've been educated again. Thank you. So talking about beer in Hawaii, because there is there was also there was also this October fast song. Yeah, if I'm not in New York, it's then if I'm not off Hawaii. Exactly. That's that's actually Udo Jürgens, right? Who's who's saying that? Yeah. Another one. So as you got to wonder, we found two songs who are kind of take a weird angle. And maybe for that reason, the soda you had to you guys had to do your own beer, right? We there goes there goes in a world innovation with it. What was that? Recall that one? We have the show quote at the very left in the in the center of that column. Michael, if you can zoom on to that one. Well, there have there have been a number of different beers that have been brewed here. But the most famous one is Primo and in 1958, 59 Primo was the first beer company in the entire world to can beers in aluminum cans. And it was an innovative way of making aluminum cans, because before that cans were not made of aluminum, they were made of steel. And this was something that did not really that particular technology didn't really take off. And it involved a disc of aluminum. And then a piston went down through it and formed it into a can. Well, anyway, this was the first such aluminum beer can in the entire world. And it was used by Primo beer right here on the island of a world. There you go. And the other place that both gunters come from, Gunter Baynish and Gunter Desk Bank, that's the beer at the very bottom right. That's the Berger. That's the town close to Dresden and where I have to go soon to see my see my parents. And one day, some years ago, I was going into the grocery store and I found what we see in the very center, what's supposed to be the Hawaiian beer that is longboard. And you could buy it like for six bucks a bottle of beer, which is insane. But you basically pay the same for a real German beer. And so this is the this is the the combo that the brand longboard, right? That's when tourists come and they want to find finally, you know, there is beer in Hawaii and there is. Oh, we want to go for that Hawaiian beer, right? Well, never mind that company got sued recently for, you know, falsely pretending that and fully brewing on the mainland. And by the way, I mean, when you say beer, I mean, there's the OK, there's another German lesson for you. Just so that we bought Barty with these. That's Deutsche Weinheit, the boat. What might that be? German something. You give them a hint, Matt, because you're bilingual. It's the it's the it's the legally sanctified recipe for beer that everyone has to follow. Like, oh, want the tea of quantity of water, quantity of pops, quantity of yeast, it's very specific. In Germany, everybody must do that. Yeah, in order to be. Yeah, in order to sell them as kind of beer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And since since the medieval ages, since the monks got heavily into that stuff. And everyone everyone, everyone obeys to obeys to that. Germans do, as they're told, I'm I'm I'm learning so much today. So it's the reason they can sell it for like like two euros, fifty or something is the they compete purely on price, right? There's no difference in theory or the quality difference is very minor. So. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So what would what would your daughter and and and Lenny, the Lenny's basically drink if they would be in Hawaii and if they would have been growing up on Hawaii. And that's the to the left of. The longboard, that's really weird because the Belgium brewery, Heineken was totally successful to sell this to the locals to say that is their beer. And there's even like teachers that said, Heineken, Hawaii. So good job, a PR department of Heineken. But also going back to now more full circle to us in Hawaii, because at the very bottom right to the the the left one of the two one at the very bottom right, that's actually a when our tropical tutor, Bill, took me out to what you just said, this total that we're most famous for here in Bavaria, which is the Oktoberfest, which should be called Septemberfest. At the Waikiki Yacht Club and our Waikiki Yacht Club, they had an Oktoberfest and he was pretty good dancing the Shua Blatla, which is that weird dance with a ladder holding they slap on their ladder holding. I got some videos of that. We might want to play that in some point. This is so embarrassing, Bill. No, we don't want to play in blackmailing with it. Exactly. Exactly. And so that beer here that you just if you can show it again, Michael, that one was served. And I was wondering, this is really weird, because there's some weird stuff, too. There's actually St. Pauli beer, which does not exist in Germany. St. Pauli is where the rapabong and which is not far away from the Unilever project that you guys have done. So that's in Hamburg. That beer does not exist in Germany. It's purely made up for export to Americans. So this beer is really brewed. So we were quizzing people here because it's actually only one pound over. And it's it's not to be confused with what's the other one met, the most famous. I'm blanking on the. Oh, like Paul on or Augustina. Yeah, there's the other one that sounds almost the same. But this one here is a fairly small brewery. Actually, seriously, only two towns over. And there was one guy in the marketing department who against his bosses there was basically saying, I'm going to pitch this to Hawaii, no matter what. And he was. So this is seriously the stuff from there that you at least could drink at the Waikiki Yacht Club of Colorfest. So talking about that cosmopolitan world and the last beer we have is the one in the hands of that lady there next to it. And that is our dear Kaili Chun that we've been reporting about. Who we just ran into the solo at the Doka Momo talk story event that left a little bit of a different taste in our mouth. Talking the taste and. And that is that is a but life. Kaili doesn't give, you know, she just says, you know, have a but life and that's that does it for me. And I was I was I wanted to find because I was talking about this last time about her very test, you know, installation that she put up in Waimanalo on the beach. And I talked about the cages at the very top of them. And on her website, I called her out on that one. I say, basically, where where is that? She didn't have it anymore. So I was digging into my images and there is the in the gallery. There it still is. There's the cages at the very top, which her message is to her local people. Yes, we got a present. Yes, we got overthrown. But ever since the door is open, the lock is not locked. We have to get out of it. And that's why we were saying this photo and you like the idea. You endorse that next time you developers do do a high rise. Let not Kaili just do that little artwork in there, but let the architects that you bring in to the artwork and let Kaili do the architecture, maybe in collaboration with you, Matt, because Kaili is gladly East Coast educated and under Michael Graves, back in the gold 80s. And ever since, you know, she's been the most rocking artist in Hawaii and time for us to let her do architecture. Just as the other gentlemen we've been talking about here. He is Mr. Sean Connelly, who said here he is a doctor and that's the degree he got from us at two age. Though talking about, you know, the Lenny who are in medical or now that was the his brother who was in medical school, right? From from from Stefan's son, right? Right, right. Yeah. So, you know, just to just to also just to also bring this back to architecture, Martin, all of our computers in our office are named after German beers. And after 15 years, we still haven't exhausted the supply of unique German beer names for each one of our personal computers. There you go. There you go. And the ingredients again, that brings it back to architecture as well, which we should thanks for the reminder because the ingredients are still for beer are still not grown in Hawaii. They're brought in and then they're brewed together, right? So then, you know, so and so it might be with architecture, as we say, you know, the subtle ever since, you know, America and the world blessed you with supposedly all the goodies, you know, you put them all together and there you are. And that's how we need to get back to it. So to Sean, yes, Sean and Kaili are the most critical and progressive ones, artists, architects and to really deserve the term or put that he deserves it anyway. But to put that degree to work, you've got to do residency years, you know, do open heart surgery. So he's doing great artwork, but we got to get the two of them do architecture. That's what we seriously need and team up with you. As you already said, you're happy to met. And then you will be asked for your qualification on the island. And for that reason, we bring up the next slide and you tell us what that is. I think it's it's nearing 30. It's nearing 30 years of experience, right? Isn't that? Yeah, it is. No, this is my in-laws house in Kailua that we I was pointing out that at some point, I mean, this was a very typical tract house that was built. I want to say in this sort of this early 70s, maybe late 60s and but then later sometime in the 80s that had where this red arrow is had the kind of a porch, jealousy porch built onto the onto the back of it that I always thought was unfortunate because it sort of obliterated any any real natural ventilation that could come through the the original structure. So we were thinking or have thought at various points in time about trying to kind of reconfigure the back portion of this and use some of the rear land together with some of the new ADU regulations that are allowable in in in Honolulu and in Hawaii to to build a kind of an ADU on the back that would allow us to kind of expand our presence there and also return the original house back to a kind of a more naturally ventilated state and with this kind of you can there's a sort of a courtyard that gets formed between the the old part and the new part. And that's a future dream project that we haven't quite gotten gotten underway yet. But and tell me again that the red pointing era was pointing out the I think the absurdity of blocking the possibility. Exactly. Right. This kind of T shape. I mean, the original T shape. I mean, there were windows and each of the bedrooms had windows and the two back bedrooms had corner windows in each on each side of a corner. So they ventilated quite quite, you know, they were built to ventilate naturally. But when you put this piece on it, it really I think it and actually it eliminated windows along the bedrooms on that side in the in the bathroom. So my dream has always been to sort of take restore it at least back to its original glory and. Make it a little bit more more inhabitable. That that reminds me very much of the house behind mine, which was a U shape. And then the owners put a put a wall and a roof over what had been the open back line. And just enclosed it. And eventually it was in such poor condition that their daughter-in-law, who was German, tore it down and restored it to the back to the open plan that originally had. And it's far superior in every way. And maybe they needed more room inside for a time for their family. But restoring the house to its original appearance was a great idea. Yeah, I'm always inspired by that, by my experience. Every for 30 years, the first night I arrived in Honolulu, you have to fly all day, you get there and you lie down to go to sleep. And it is the best night sleep you ever had with the breezes kind of washing over you any time of the year. It's one of my my favorite experiences is that that first night of sleeping under the tropical breeze. Yep, same here. I had it in John Graham's Alamoana Hotel, where, of course, it was all closed and curtains full of clothes. And then there was this thermostat. It basically said 75. And I'm like, hmm, that's what it is outside. So what's the point of this? You know, turn it off, hold the curtains open, sliding door and same thing. Exactly. And so the two little boxes down there kind of on the same picture at the bottom right trigger the current disorder. We already talked about it. That's because you asked Matt, you know, the all are kind of continuing to scratch our heads here in Germany about what to substitute Putin's gas and oil with, right? And now there is the it seems to be like the same as when I came to Nebraska. There was like the ethanol was like the big hype. And there were all these ethanol plants popping up until they found out, you know, the the excess amount of water you need for that. And then it's just like after all things considered, not such a good idea. And then, you know, but then anyway, so now everyone jumps on the heat pump, right? And then, you know, the valve of that's like and even they want to they want to basically dictate by law, you know, almost. And it's it's kind of ironic this thing. Now you're seeing actually popping up these machines that we never had. And they're not a air condition and air condition where they are, but you know, in a different way. But not that different. And now I don't know if you heard, Matt, it really picked me off that that this month as one of the traditional German manufacturers of furnaces, right? Also, these they thought they had to sell out for 15 billion to guess who who invented air conditioning in America, Mr. Kerry in Florida. And I thought this is so absolutely absurd, the whole thing, you know, and and adding on to that one, I was just reading on the online news, there was an article here and the very local newspaper online version. And they basically were saying, what kind of options of heating do you have? And they were listing and listing and listing technology and passive systems weren't even in there. So as if they don't exist, or it's this total and you guys do you guys do technology and supporting, you know, natural systems, right? Sure, there's always a little bit of a little bit of, you know, whistles and bells here and there. And, you know, to support natural systems, but certainly not to substitute them. No, yeah, that's quite ironic. So let's hear a couple of your of your favorites. We only have four minutes left, but let's get started with that to the next slide and you share with us some of your favorites on the island that basically exemplify and demonstrate what you just said. Oh, yeah. So, of course, of course, the Lillistrand House. This is photos that I took when I was on just a magnificent day up there. We got the kind of their standard tour, which is really, I mean, if if if anybody who's watching hasn't been up, it has not reserved the time to go see that tour. It's just really it's wonderful. It was led by Dr. Lillistrand's former assistant and she knows basically everything about it and about its history and seems to just love to talk about that. So you can really spend an afternoon in that building and go all over inside of it. And, of course, it was designed and situated in such a way that the the kind of the cool air that rolls down the mountain kind of enters the the back of the front of the house, technically, which is where the front door is. But it's really the back of the house and there are little flaps over the windows that you can see in the lower photograph here in the center. You see these kind of slanted pieces above the window. Those are flaps that let kind of the cool air rolling down the mountain come in, go through the house transversely and then out through the what I would consider the front of the house, which is the one that looks out over the city, which is the which is the the elevation on the right here. But it's really just a just a wonderful place, both in terms of its siting and its performance. That sounds all so familiar to you to Soto, right? I guess it does, not only because I live in an Asapoff house, but also because I have been to the Lillestrand house a number of times. And it is it is magnificent, just as Matt said, and it's definitely worth viewing and seeing not only for the house, but the setting that it's in, which is incomparable. Yeah. And then as if to put it like the cherry on the the cherry on the Sunday is the the Porsche in the in the carport there. The 9 11, of course. And we see behind you sort of in live, you know, we see your two windows, we see your doggy relaxing there and we hear the birds all the time. So it's it's just like living with nature and not against it. There's unfortunately too much of contemporary and. You know, as we've been going through many of the proposed projects, we couldn't help ourselves to say they're kind of going against nature. The the caretaker of the house, Bob Lillestrand, unfortunately left us at least on earth recently. And there's a show quote up there where we had him on the show. That was one of the first shows we ever did with him. So well worth watching that and and hearing Bob saying in his words, you know, from just like you to sort of having grown up in the house. Fine. So he's fully the house is is his childhood and your house is your childhood. And you are now that your mother is not with us anymore. You have similar ideas, maybe. We're also not just keep it to yourself, right? And but opening up to we'll see. We'll see. We'll see that that's a dream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, always keep your dreams alive. So, yeah, Lillestrand House is doing a great job. They have a foundation and they send us the newsletters and they have events up there and they really keep it, you know, keep it up through that. That's great. Kind of the private public partnership going on there. Well, with that, we're at the end of our beer drinking show here. And so your discussion show we will, of course, we all drink Faustana alcohol five. So, yeah, we will pick up from here and walk through the next of your goodies, Matt, that you will share with us. But for the actually next two weeks, the Soto is kindly stepping in and filling our Doko Momo playlist with some more goodies. And so we will see each other in three weeks to resume from here. And until then, please stay all locally, local, locally, global, as they call it, local. Bye bye. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn and donate to us at thinktechawaii.com. Mahalo.