 Hello, I'd like to welcome everyone who's in the room here with us today, as well as those who are watching online. If you are online watching this conversation, please feel free to interact with us through hashtag WEF24. I am Ann Dumalyang. I am a global shaper from the Philippines. I do cars restoration work just an hour and a half away from Metro Manila. And it's what we do as ecosystem restoration, basically trying to overcome inertia for watershed rehabilitation. I'm excited and very curious about our discussion today, because it is about topics that are very dear to me as an environment defender. Our relationship with nature, science, of course, and the kind of AI that we should really be talking about, which is ancestral intelligence. So, at yesterday's Nature and Climate Dinner, we were reminded that human ingenuity is one of our greatest causes for hope in the unfolding sixth mass extinction caused by the climate and the biodiversity crisis. To overcome this challenge to humanity and our shared home, we must regain trust in each other, dialogue, work together, and consciously lean into each other's strengths as different people and as different generations. Yet to create genuine change and corrective systems, we need not just harmony with each other, but harmony really with the natural world. From this to happen, we must collectively overcome our ecological amnesia and regain our rootedness in nature. And to do that, we must listen to those at the front lines of the work. We must listen to environment defenders who are watching out for our most vital ecosystems, the science and the recognized indigenous forms of wisdom. That is wisdom really that we gained as a human race for hundreds and thousands of years about how to live with the all life around us and how to take care of our collective home. Here we can have even better dialogues that can lead to evidence-based action. In the Philippines, our national hero named Jose Rizal is a writer and a naturalist and he has a popular face which goes, Translated to English, that basically means that whoever doesn't look back into his roots will not be able to move into the future. And I think that's very relevant for our discussion today. So gaps in these really threaten our ability to jointly forge solutions at the pace that we need to. With the future of our planet in the balance, we need to bridge these kinds of divides. The question now is how can we use these varied wisdoms and knowledge, traditional youthful innovation, indigenous knowledge, science, really to inform and create a genuine long-term strategy for our planet? How can these inform a path that is guided by a realism to see the world as it is and an optimism that there is hope and possibilities in a challenging and uncertain future? And to start, of course, I would like to call on Dr. Jane Goudal, who really doesn't need any introduction for her opening remarks. Well, good morning everybody. Everybody here and everybody listening. And I grew up in a world that's different from any of those that you grew up in. Because when I was a child, there was no television. It hadn't been invented. And I think young people today can't imagine a world like that. So I was born loving animals and loving nature. And I learned by being out in nature. We had a big garden and from books, those were the two things. We couldn't afford new books. This was during World War II. And so I used to haunt a secondhand bookshop. And one day I found this little book. I just had saved up enough pennies to buy it. And that was called Tarzan of the Apes. So of course I fell in love as a 10-year-old child can with this glorious lord of the jungle. And what did he do? He married the wrong Jane. So anyway, that's when I dreamed that I would go to Africa and live with wild animals and write books about them. No dream of being a scientist. And everybody laughed at me. How will you do that? You don't have money. Africa's dangerous place full of wild, fierce animals. And you're just a girl. Not my mother. She said, if you want to do something like this, you're going to have to work really hard, take advantage of every opportunity, and then if you don't give up, hopefully you find a way. So as probably you all know, I did find a way and there's no time to go in for that. But I got lucky in being offered the opportunity to live with and learn from not just any animal but the one most like us, the chimpanzee. We share 98.6% of our DNA with chimps. And it was amazing to find in behavior how like us they are. And nobody else had studied them in the world before. So wasn't I lucky to discover all the way they communicate the same as us that they use and make tools that was something only humans were thought capable of? And anyway, I eventually went to college. I was told I had to get a PhD even though I'd never been to college because my mentor said, well, we've got no time for you to get an undergraduate degree. I've got you a place in Cambridge University in England to do a PhD in ethology. I didn't know what ethology meant. You know, I wanted to be a naturalist, not a scientist anyway, study of behavior. So I got my PhD eventually and went back and I could have spent the rest of my life in the rainforest ecosystem learning how every plant and animal in this amazing, rich biodiversity has a role to play. And this is what's happening in the world today. We're destroying ecosystems. Each time a species disappears from that ecosystem, it's like pulling a thread from a tapestry until the ecosystem will collapse. And what we must realize is that we are part of the natural world. We're not separate from it. As so many people who just brought up in the city, they don't realize that we depend on the natural world for food, water, clothing, everything. But what we depend on is healthy ecosystems. And that's where we're going so very wrong. The biggest difference between us chimps and other animals is the explosive development of our intellect. These animals are way, way, way more intelligent than used to be thought. And they have emotions like happiness and sadness, fear and despair. But only we are capable of developing a rocket that goes up to planet Mars and a little robot crawls off and is taking photos. At one time we thought we might be able to live on Mars, but now we know we can't. We've only got this one beautiful planet Earth. So with this intellect of ours, isn't it ridiculous that we're destroying the only home we have? And isn't it time now we're faced with the threat of climate change and it's not a threat anymore, is it? It's reality, the change with the patterns around the world. Last year the hottest on record in human history. So the loss of biodiversity and climate change are interlinked, absolutely. And the storms, the hurricanes, the droughts, the fires, the heat waves are getting more frequent and worse. So now we're faced with this. How is it possible that so many people in government and business and even just the ordinary general public are denying climate change? Oh yes, the weather is changing, it is part of a natural cycle. Well maybe it is, but we have changed that natural cycle so that the world is heating up much faster than it did in the previous, thousands and thousands of years ago, millions of years ago. So I was travelling around the world in the late 1980s talking to young people like you and also government people and business people and big audiences and even back then I was meeting young people who were losing hope. And back then I asked them why do you feel angry or depressed or apathetic because you've compromised our future and there's nothing we can do about it. So if any of you think we older generations have compromised your future you are so right. In fact we've been stealing it probably since the Industrial Revolution and we're still stealing it today and that's why gatherings of people like you is so important. I began our program for young people, Roots and Shoots to try and help people get over this feeling of hopelessness because then Roots and Shoots, every group choose their own projects one to help people, one to help animals, one to help the environment because of the interrelatedness and the main message is every single one of us matters and the difference has a role to play. And if you start working on a project that you choose like some people are worried about litter, some people are worried about waste some people are worried about poverty there's young people like you and between you you're probably interested in every one of the problems we face. So that's my biggest hope for the future. There's only young people around the world once you know, understand the problem once you are empowered to take action there's no stopping you. I guess at this point and at this juncture we can start the panel discussion I'd like to introduce you to two more amazing women with me today this is Mary Claire who led and co-founded the Youth Negotiators Academy she plays a pivotal role in bringing young voices to the COP to interact with decision makers who will be deciding on our collective future and this is Hosana Sana Silva is a TV presenter in the largest Latin American network television and she is very passionate about climate justice and the impact that it has on vulnerable communities so I'd like to turn the attention first on MC and Dr. Goudal, please feel free to insert in and comment anytime you like Yuti Hosana you have been in a number of rooms with critical discussions I'd like for you to share a story on when science-based information and knowledge have significantly influenced the outcome of these negotiations Thank you so much and maybe just to start off I think it's really disheartening to see that we are at the juncture where the science is actually challenged and it's the science from the scientists but also the lived experience and the wisdom of Indigenous peoples who are questioned on a daily basis because this is our baseline and that's what we should act upon so just to put it out there because I was really frustrated to see that this happening here in Davos but also in the multilateral negotiations but in the climate negotiations where I'm mostly operating in we have the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change the assessment of all the scientists around the world and what I want to highlight it's really exciting that they came together now in the sixth assessment cycle to actually really strengthen the voices of female researchers bring in young researchers strengthen the global south participation also really looking into the data gap we are having in many parts of the world and so we really try to see how can we make the science more robust to ensure that the actions which we are basing on the science are actually informed by the right science which is adequate to the local context and I think that's a really important driver for all of us to be reminded that how we are interacting with the science and that we have more local scientists but also that we take the Indigenous wisdom into consideration when we are taking the station because very often especially in these places where there's very little data points and science actually the wisdom keepers and as you mentioned also all the generations have so much to share which we really really need to take into consideration and then your experience thus far are there any particular frameworks or models for engagement that I have stood out for you may that be when it comes to engaging young people or bringing science into the world? Yeah, what I think is very important also what you mentioned is the capacity building that we have to support the young people because I can't be really really scared to go into these decision making rooms many young people including myself suffering from imposter syndrome meaning that you go into the rooms and you're suddenly not able to talk because you feel everyone else is so much more important than who am I to actually talk here so having the science and the knowledge is a really crucial tool for us to actually start off the space line but it's not enough, right? We cannot just know the science but also there's so many additional skills which we need to have, we need to have the courage and the will for all something which we can maybe talk about later how can we be our true selves? How can we be authentic in these spaces where it's sometimes very very challenging to speak the true nature of what we want to talk about without kind of going down the rabbit hole of just perpetuating the system which we're seeing, mimicking the ones who have been negotiating for the last 30 years and frankly haven't achieved what you have to achieve haven't been listening to the science haven't been listening to the indigenous voices and also listening to the voice of nature itself In some of the sessions we've had we've talked about acupressure points that could be alleviated and it will enable the system as a whole so what are those pressure points that you've been seeing that need to be worked out on? What would you say are the key bottlenecks when it comes to these things? I'm really interested in the same answer that to me the acupressure points are for me it's really about representation in decision making because decision making is guiding on how we are living as a society how we are living as humanity and if these decision makers are taking decisions by leaving half the world's population out which are actually the young people in this case and shortly before it was the women and so many other voices who are completely left out of these decision makers when we talk about vulnerable communities frontline communities earth defenders, the indigenous voices but let me focus on the young people for now so young people make more than half the world's population yet there are studies out there only 2.8 2.8% of the elected officials around the world are actually under the age of 30 and 30% of the countries around the world have no young person in any elected position I mean that's a huge potential we are missing out, right? It's ironic because we would be the main stakeholders of the future Exactly and also we have just so much wisdom and energy and things to bring to the table and also when we have been seeing that the last 30 years didn't work so we should change our approach so for me it's about diversity it's about inclusion but also when we are including these voices we have to ensure that they are actually prepared well for their position because otherwise it can be really devastating experience we can maybe go into this afterwards when I was a negotiator myself but this is I think like the crucial acupuncture point because once we actually bring in new people and diverse voices I do believe that actually these institutions where the trust is eroding many young people don't believe in the governments anymore we have tons of studies they don't believe in the UN they don't believe in so many of these institutions and I think it's really dangerous and I also sometimes tend to lose hope but I do believe that if we have an influx of new diverse voices we can actually regain and rebuild this trust with the institutions and make them meaningful again and make them effective again and out of this the actions come which then spark the hope Okay now I'm going to turn to you Asana and you know the indigenous voices are also very important to have represented I'm curious about an example as well of indigenous knowledge that has created a massive impact when it comes to you know made this be biotechnology or fixing social issues environmental issues that we have today You know actually I'm from Brazil so everybody that thinks about Brazil thinks about Amazon there's a lot of conversation going on during this week about the Amazon rainforest as Google just said and I think one the key point is we have so much potential but we also have so much vulnerabilities and everybody talks about indigenous communities as this main stakeholder that actually is not getting the access of decision maker effective in an effective way what I mean is is the financing going to these communities directly to these communities in my experience what I observe I'm not an indigenous person I have to point this out I'm from a favela and I'm a black person from Brazil which is important to point out to in my observe what I see is that we talk about we got indigenous communities in the conversation but we are not actually putting the value that they have we bring them to here they are staying away from their communities which is a really important thing the connection with their communities they're doing this so big work and they're not being valued enough they're not being paid enough we have to keep this going we have to keep this conversation going because yes we put so much value on the scientific part and Amazon researcher myself but the indigenous wisdom this knowledge it has to be paid too they have to have proper works too and what I observe today is indigenous community unfortunately depending on donations we actually had an episode a really sad episode a few months ago in Brazil we have a really intense dry season in the Amazon that this community got isolated they had a hard time to get proper food, proper water and this has their community that we are so much really happy to talk about and they weren't able to get access to health for several weeks another thing that I would love to point out the Amazon rainforest especially the Amazonia state in Brazil passed through a horrifying episode just recently a few months ago with this thick polluted air that just covered all a really large territory in the Amazon so people actually breathed a really dense polluted air for more than three weeks imagine this you open the window in the morning and you can't see the sky only gray for several weeks for more than three weeks this was the reality of people living in the north region of Brazil and no one talks about this I didn't hear about this like once in this devil's week and yet we're still talking about Amazonia and how Brazil has so much potential when actually the population that lives in is suffering today we talk about climate change as this huge distant thing like this big dinosaur that is still coming and we talk about how we're not going to get proper access to food, to water but guess what, people are living this like today I come from a similar living experience because I'm from a favela and we had to live with hunger with no access to food no access to sanitation no access to proper health care and we're still when it goes to these meetings with big CEOs and big decision makers they're like we have to take care of the planet otherwise we're not going to be we're not going to be able to access proper food and I was like I lived that like 10 years ago how we are supposed to be talking about this like a future thing and not get this conversation going about poverty today about no access of proper health care today about pollution no one talks about pollution anymore what happened? what happened about the quality of water? we have this joke about like it's only AI right? but where is the conversation going about who is dying today? Brazil is currently dealing with a huge environmental disaster right now the last week we had to deal with this people are homeless right now actually my phone got ringing this whole week about this I had to get their donation to deal with this and I'm only 26 come on I should be focused on this huge opportunity right I should be focused on my master degree and I have to deal with people dying and I don't see the decision makers this big huge fewer persons like coming in and say yes let's go let's deal with this I'm gonna devils advocate for a bit a lot of people sometimes do not recognize indigenous wisdom and knowledges to deal data to be taken seriously frontline environmentalists experience the same thing lived experiences are discounted if they cannot be transformed into a report then it doesn't get accounted for but we can't afford to have that disjoint because well we are in a climate crisis we need to get moving faster moving in what would be your pitch to people who still have this perspective if you are to pitch indigenous wisdom to them how would you do that um yeah that's a really hard question hahaha you know I actually have like one one pretty example the cosmetic market which is growing and growing and growing based on the amazon biodiversity right but we leave the indigenous community the traditional community as well to get really proper access of this type of science because otherwise you're gonna be spending a lot of money trying to find out the meaning of for example one fruit the property of one fruit when people already know this for hundreds of years right now so the thing is that we actually try to get in touch with nature for market point of view and when we should have this shortcut if we had the proper conversation with the traditional communities that actually lives on the forest like currently so we can see this in a lot of different markets if you go in and say hey I want to develop this type of products do you know any natural resource that have this type of properties we actually know that they can identify that more easily this is something I also experience in tourism on the ground whenever we ask naturalist to try to educate our rangers within 20 minutes time you can be sure that the conversations the questions will change will be the scientists and politicians asking questions to our indigenous people rangers and I've also realized I'm not sure if you've seen this but across and Mary Claire too there are a lot of cultures there are also certain forms of wisdom certain kinds of principles that they do hold dear across the line would you have any knowledge or insight when it comes to that we just responding to your question before I think it's very important to value them at the same point especially talking about climate justice which very often doesn't really get a lot of attention in research because we maybe measure the CO2 level we can measure a lot of different things but we very often forget to put humans and nature at the center of our decision making because we don't we could also measure it but very often in science it's a different approach that's why I think it's so important to then have the other forms of wisdom kind of next to it also let this kind of just map it all out and then look at it and say what kind of mapping do we have and then based our decision I do very strongly believe that we will change our decisions and also our actions if we actually would map this as a baseline but also I think it's very important how we are taking the decisions because what we still see is that in a lot of rooms in the United Nations but also in governments and also here we see a few dominant voices very often it comes from a specific subgroup of people living on this planet they are a tiny minority who overrule the whole rest and also looking into how other groups of people take decisions and I think there we also have a lot to learn from the elders, from indigenous communities but also from nature just looking into nature and how does nature work for me like mycelium is just such a fascinating structure how it's kind of all on the ground and suddenly like the rain comes and then the mushrooms are just coming up and it's not about decision making but just kind of to see how much beauty is out there and how much interconnectedness is there and then how are we trying to solve the crisis we are seeing today and how fragmented we are looking at this how often we are just siloing so much to learn but this really requires a lot of courage on a personal level to be different but if there is something we need is to be different because business usually hasn't worked so we need to do something different and this needs a lot of courage because you have to get out of the comfort zone you have to challenge people who prefer to just keep going because they benefit from the system as it's currently today which is not benefiting the majority of the people and it's definitely also not benefiting the indigenous communities and the frontline communities but also doesn't benefit nature itself and so how can we change this approach and I do believe there is again something where young people together with other generations the ones who are willing can actually change as I have to work together to drive the change on how we are coming to conclusions and how we are actually driving these actions because what I am seeing unfortunately is that very often we do take action but we leave a lot of people out because they are actually not the climate jobs and are not human and nature centered and that's another aspect going beyond the science itself but more into the decision making and how we are arriving to the action itself I was not answering exactly your question but it's a very important point to add That's true and then all of this is really important to fostering understanding and collaboration not just when it comes to indigenous groups science all of these things but even across genders etc Can I say something? Yes please Just going back to what I was saying earlier about the fact that we all depend on mother nature and science is important I had to become a scientist I didn't want to and I did just as well without it but it's important and there's so much talk now about technology solving the climate crisis but there's a much cheaper and a very age old way of solving at least a major part of the climate crisis protect our forests and protect and restore our forests plant trees trees are going to take a long time to get the full carbon capture capacity of an old forest protecting the Amazon is so important now and the Congo Basin and Indonesia and Malaysia and I think one good thing about Brazil I was just there two months ago was that about 50% less destruction of forests since Lula came into power and that's 2,000 square miles of forest save that would have been cut down and it's not easy and it's hard to police and all the rest of it but this is such a very important part and nature's been doing it for millions of years long before we came onto the scene we're just a new little species and with this intellect that we've developed how stupid we're being how utterly ridiculous we're being and you said another thing that's really important poverty when I first got to Gombe in Tanzania to study chimps was 1960 and Gombe was part of a huge forest that stretched right across Africa by the late 1980s I looked down from a little plane and it was just a small island of forests that's the national park and around there the hills were bare there were more people living there from the land could support to poor to buy food from elsewhere struggling to survive why were they destroying the forest to get money from charcoal or timber or get more land which to grow food to feed their families and that's when it hit me if we don't find ways for these people to make a living without destroying the environment then we can't save chimps, forests or anything else so that you know on the one hand we've got to alleviate poverty on the other hand we've got to reduce the unrealistic unsustainable lifestyle of so many people on the planet we also and here's a thing for all of you young people a nightmare that you're presented with that's already there are 8 billion of us on the planet already we're beginning to run out of some natural resources faster than nature can replenish them by 2050 it's estimated there will be 10 billion and people are saying well if everybody acquires the standard of living just of a normal person you know not the super wealthy with all their private jets and blah blah blah then we would need 4 new planets we haven't got 4 new planets unless Elon Musk discovers some that we don't know about but so anyway this is why I'm spending as many years as I have left developing this program for young people because it's so unfair the world that you've all been born into it just is not fair in fact life isn't fair is it some of the best people I'm speechless I'm always speechless after Dr. Goodle talks that I guess one aspect of discussion also that I'd like to bring would just be how we can all work together as generations young and old what do we have to bring to the table right how can we leverage on each other's strengths what can young people learn from those who already have experiences interacting with people in positions of power and what can we as young people learn from them when it comes to forwarding all of these advocacies we have thoughts I think actually as again a black person from Brazil and actually my name is Osana Silva I was just commenting that Silva is the most common name in Brazil because was the name given for the majority of enslaved people that was captured from Africa so they gave this name to everybody so it's connected with that history as an Afro-Brazilian so I was just talking how the tell me the pronunciation ancestry it is right ancestors I'm a Portuguese speaker so how we are actually valuing the ancestors knowledge how we are really interconnected there's this huge sense of young people that are actually grabbing this and saying I am a black person I am an indigenous person I am the future so I need to know where am I going so we go to the ancestors there we are linked in so we have actually doing this process of going back to give meaningful reasons to where we are today in the present I actually got connected with some of traditional communities in Brazil so I have a little quick example of how this knowledge can transform every space we are in we have a traditional community in Brazil called Kilombola communities I know you haven't heard of this but we don't expect you to know so it seems 15th century is a community based on Afro-Brazilian settlements first established by enslaved people who resisted the slavery so escaped from slavery so they get together in this rural area and they had to survive so they learn how to deal with the forests they learn mostly Atlantic forests they learn how to get food to produce and not destroy it so right now they are one of the biggest producers of food in Brazil that is actually based on agro-forest which is something that I actually heard during this week as this big new technology and was like years now we already know that they actually are doing this for years and now science and companies are getting to this because we actually get to the point that we can continue this way so let's find solutions and one of the solutions is agro-forest system to produce food and they are actually doing this for years now so what are they doing are they going to be part of the conversation are they going to be seated on the boards are they going to be in panels in the plenary hall of the economic forum actually doing opening speech and say we knew that was coming we know the solutions we don't have the university degree we need the degree to access some spaces but we need to turn this around we need to get mostly young people that are willing to fight for this and turn this around and say yes you know the solution we need to talk how we can escalate the solutions to another realities okay we have about five minutes left but Tosana I want to ask you also very quickly we've talked about the technology that we can gain from indigenous knowledge and indigenous practices are there any forms of technology today that you are finding optimism in when it comes to just scaling the amount of knowledge that everyone else knows you know about our indigenous practices it's going to seem like I'm repeating myself but for me the bigger technology we have is people is talking to people is doing what Ms. Goodwell just did going there knowing the territory living in the reality and then coming back and say okay with all this knowledge right now let's talk because what we heard most is trying to debate Amazon rainforest poverty and et cetera and we actually didn't leave the reality I did leave the reality of north-east from Brazil a favela in north-east from Brazil so if I go to the south-east and someone asks me let's do a project to Rio's favelas I'm going to say I'm not the right person for this please call someone from Rio's favela because living experience will make you prevent errors make you prevent money trying to build this new technological solution and then when we go to the streets you see that actually it's not going to work so living experience this knowledge that comes from bottle up is so needed most of our government space we need bottle up policies to be built today because they are mostly top down because we still have this feeling that we need the degree and stuff to build this type of solutions so we need the bottle up solutions because people for me is the biggest technology we have do you have anything to add Mary Claire? well just to say that as you also mentioned nature itself is also the solution and we have to value it much more to give it the space it needs without constantly trying to find these quick fixes in technology which are very often far off what is what is actually needed and I think also here in Davos but many other spaces we need to have more representation of nature in the rooms as well at least try to bring the voices of the forest of the mountains of the water reserves you talked about of the rivers to the rooms because I do believe that then the discussions will change if we bring these representatives to the room and if we also what we can all do acknowledge them in our everyday decision and say okay what impact does my behavior or our collective behavior has on these ecosystems and how can we all become defenders of these ecosystems to respect them because as you also opened we cannot live without and it's an illusion that we can make it without and that's why to me it's so strange that we're actually not taking them into consideration when we're talking so I do hope that we can all become stewards of these variety of ecosystems and bring them into our discussion and center them in all the decisions we are taking for our personal life but also for our institutions of research and maybe even like in governmental decisions okay if I have a last question and it's will just be very quick what what gives you hope you're two very resilient women that I also look up to what continues to give you hope maybe the willingness and the courage to do things different and I see how it's happening I see also the barriers and the struggles of it together but I very very strongly believe that we have to have a lot of courageous people who are willing to stand up getting out of the comfort zone and do the thing because they believe in it because they have a passion and ultimately because it's driven by love and solidarity and compassion for our common home I think that is something we tend to miss sometimes right we can be talking about knowledge and data but what also makes us unique as humans is our capability for empathy and relating to each other and if we can extend that to the natural world all the better we can reach better balance man-nature interaction sooner anything to add or shall I summarize already then we can pass it on to Jane for closing for me young people gives me hope being here with this 50 amazing young people that the World Economic Forum just gathered is what gives me hope okay what I gathered today that was a lot of great insights and information number one, rights of nature very important number two, making sure that minorities are also represented in the decision making table given the capacity to take action making sure that there's not a single minority group that's leading all of these discussions that will determine the future of our world number three, technology and just how we perceive it there's technology coming from nature technology from looking back into our history now I'd like to turn it over again to Dr. Jane if you would have some few closing remarks before we get some questions first of all you asked a question that I don't think was answered and that is how do we change the minds of the decision makers of today and the way that I found is the most important to understand that when people change it isn't because fingers are pointed at them it isn't because people shout at them it isn't because people tell them they're bad and wicked you've got to reach their heart they must change from within and as I think I said well maybe I didn't I've given so many talks this week but for me, telling stories and if you tell the right story that means you've got to spend a few moments finding out who you're talking to who are they do you have anything in common maybe you both love dogs or something like that and then try and find a way to reach into the heart and it works I've seen again and again young people can be absolutely correct in what they're saying they're quite right to be angry but it doesn't work usually there may be lip service paid to them but you've got to get in here so that's one thing and then you ask about what gives hope well I already said at the beginning it's all of you young people that give me hope because of what you're doing and how it's it's courage and persistence and determination I've seen it in children of six and I've seen it including adults in Roots and Shoots and it's a program that's changing people's lives I get told every day and now because we began in 91 there's some of our early members in decision making positions and they hang on to the values they acquired and what are the values of Roots and Shoots compassion, respect these are so important love, you can't love everybody but you can respect who they are and then my next reason for hope is nature's resilience I talked about the bare hills around Gombe they're not bare anymore because the people have understood that protecting nature isn't just for wildlife it's for their own future and so there are partners in conservation and nature is so resilient that seeds left from the trees that were there and sometimes even the Roots even after 10, 15 years there's a magic life in those seeds that new trees will spring up helped with the little planting of the right trees in the right place at the right time animals on the brink of extinction can be and have been given another chance because people care because people know that we need nature we need the resilience of an ecosystem and then yes, technology used in the right way but the scary thing to me about AI is if it's in the hands of some of these people out there in big positions in the world it's a very dangerous thing and that's going to be another problem tackled by the young people of today how do we use this this AI that's let loose on the world when it can so easily fall into hands should make all this fake news so much easier and then finally there's the indomitable spirit the people who tackle what seems absolutely impossible and won't give up and very often succeed and if they don't they inspire others around them to carry on the fight when they've gone and that's why in case some of you are wondering that's why I carry around he's called Mr H because he was given to be my man called Gary Horn Gary went blind when he was 21 he decided to become a magician he was told how can you be a magician if you're blind he said well I can try if he was standing here you well know he couldn't be surrounded but if it was a normal audience of young people you probably wouldn't notice he was blind and then he will tell the children if things go wrong in your life don't give up there's always a way forward he taught himself to paint he never painted before he's painted a picture of Mr H he gave me Mr H 32 years ago for my birthday thinking he was a chimpanzee but of course I made him hold the tail chimpanzees don't have tails he said never mind take him where you go and you know I'm with you in the spirit so he's been with me to 62 countries and he's probably been touched by I don't know millions of people because I say when you touch him this amazing spirit of determination rubs off on you so we're all going to try to let him touch the who gets to touch it first among the audience when surprised I guess it's now time to open the room for questions from the audience do we have any questions from the audience for our panelists let's go with David you're not allowed to keep him you've got to pass him around yeah okay David let's go first of all from all the dowers I attended this is my absolute favorite thank you so much for all trust in the communities is really important to get trust in the communities and establishing trust trust worthy collaboration is really important to get things going often times the language that the community speaks the local community and its indigenous wisdom is very different from the language policy makers speak or maybe the language scientists speak and therefore I think often times the knowledge is not valued enough how can we create further trust and also provide these translations that are really really required in order to value and integrate this wisdom that you mentioned into our systems maybe I can actually respond because also I know of the work you're actually doing and actually using technology and using AI to support that this wisdom is actually spread and the wisdom is translated and it's actually been able to find its way or is multiplied through decision makers to actually come to decisions and I think this is for example a very fantastic use of artificial intelligence which has a lot of downsides that without it we probably would ignore the wisdom because it's kind of too complicated to translate it but also to really give it a platform it deserves a connection that is not again getting really extractive and we just kind of take what we can but how can we really value these contributions in a way that everyone benefits from it including the ultimate decision which is to protect nature okay we have a question from Thank you I actually have a question for you Jane my name is Arno Ratzinger I've been firing as you said like this is nothing new right it's not like just the last 2-3 years that young people stood up and started to ask for more ecological equality or climate justice but what I find so mind blowing when you look at footage from the 80s or 90s of environmental activists and young people standing up is how is it possible that we are still today in this mess where you still feel like we're at the same point as 40 years ago in the 80s and 90s that they were able to actually you know really speed up the transformation that is so dearly needed and what can we as young people do or watch out for to not fall into the same trap and you know follow the same patterns that we're unsuccessful so far thank you well first of all some of those young people who joined us in 91 the early 90s they are making a difference there's one example I give you the minister of wildlife in Tanzania under Megafuli he was like a Putin people disappeared if they disagreed with him and he wanted to build a dam in a world heritage site and he started kept down 2,000 trees ruining the environment and he announced on radio and television anyone who opposes this will face the consequences in other words they'll be disappeared well this minister did stand up to him luckily he only lost his job and not his life we talked about it he was in roots and chutes at school and I meet so many decision makers now who were in roots and chutes or some other youth group so why isn't it changing more quickly it's money money money people are so rich and so powerful and they lobby governments and then you've got on top of that you've got corruption and on top of that in many countries if you try and oppose those powerful people you lose your life I mean that was so in Brazil you know and other countries around the world so it's not easy but the point is that awareness is growing among the young people young people are better equipped now and so your generation you've got to do it the right way and you've got to get together that's been said again and again working together is so important collaborating that's why for me bringing together young people from different countries nationalities you discover much more important than the color of your skin or your language or your culture even your religion we're all human we all laugh we all cry we all have hopes we all have fears so it's going to be tough but my hope is that as more and more young people like you take over positions of power and that's not easy unless you live in a true democracy so it's tough and I can't answer you all I can say as I live 90 years it's got a lot better okay that's time for us we need to officially close the session thank you all for making it this afternoon is it the morning or the afternoon wherever you are thank you for making it to today's session we are now hosting it but thankfully Jane Dr. Jane Goodall has granted us an additional 30 minutes of her time for other questions that people here might have for her so I do encourage you to stay behind if there are more discussions that you feel like need to be had thank you everybody