 All right, so we'll get started. Let me first say, introduce a few people here. This is John Walsh, the IT manager for the Secretary of State's office. Will Sending, you've already met, but he's our elections director. Chris Winters is my deputy secretary. Laurie is standing over in the corner. She's one of our election administrators. So this was successful for us. Two years ago, it answers a lot of questions that the media may have going into the election process. So we'll get started. Voter registration, I got some numbers I can update you with. Eric, have you passed these out, the numbers? OK, but just for the camera, we currently have, as of today, 482,900 registered voters. We have, as far as early in absentee ballot requests, as of today, this morning, was 52,600. That compares to a total ballots that were actually cast, early ballots that were cast in 2014 of 33,400. We've already received back of that 52,000. We've already received back almost 36,000. So we're well ahead of the pace of the last midterm election in 2014. And for comparison's sake, for the 2016 presidential election, which we usually have higher numbers, at this point in time, we had 63,600 requests for ballots. And at the end of the day, on election day, we had 95,000 actually cast. So we're kind of in the middle between 14 and 16, which is a good sign that people are getting out to vote. There's no longer a deadline to register. This is the first general election with election day registration. You can vote on, you can actually register online at your town clerk's office or at the polls on election day. If we don't recommend you wait, because if you do, the online voter registration, although it's easy, the town clerk's will, as we get closer to the election, will be very busy. So it's best if you're gonna wait until you register, either register on election day at the polls or register at their office. We also have what we call my voter page. This is a unique voter page for each registered voter in the state of Vermont. You can use the MVP page to request and track an early ballot, locate your polling place, update any registration information, like if you moved to a different apartment or a different house or a different town. You can update all that information there. You can also view a sample ballot. You can see how to contact your town clerk, whether it be by email or phone. What we have new in 2018 is to continue to improve our ranking as the most accessible election system in the country, making it easier to vote while more difficult to cheat. MIT has a prestigious election performance index. It's called the EPI. It was started by the Pugh Charitable Trust, and then MIT took it over. It's a data-driven system, and they rank all 50 states. We were 38th in the nation in 2012. After the 2012 election, we were 16th after the 14 election, and after the 16 election, we just got the information. We are now number one in the country, and it's really due to the new state-of-the-art system that we've put in place. We knew this year we have same-day voter registration, and we also have automatic voter registration. So here's some election stats you can see from 2008 through 2018. We have, in 2008, 453,000 registered voters, and we've worked our way up now to 482,900. Adjunty requests, in 2008, a presidential year, and again in 2016, a presidential year, we were over 90,000 ballots that were requested in return. In 2012, it was 76,000 requests, actually only about 33, I'm sorry, in 12, yeah. That was also a presidential year. So you can see it was a little off that year, but in 2018, so far, we are surpassing previous year's midterm elections. We have 52,000 that were requested so far, and 35,000, almost 36,000 that have been returned so far to the town clerks. This is a data-driven system. The clerks have to input this data as they receive these ballots, and they do work hard to maintain that. On election day, we have several procedures that will be in place. We've done a lot of preparation and training. Worry has been all over the state of Vermont this summer, one for doing the training on the new accessible voting system, but also to train on election procedures. The town clerks and any of their election officials are invited to those, and it's a requirement that the town clerks do take that training. The polling place hours, I think most of you are aware, the polls will open anywhere from 5 a.m. in the morning till 10 a.m. They have that option, that window to decide when they wanna open. They all close at 7 p.m. on election day. That's uniform across the state. We have, obviously, we have certain towns that have tabulators. Those towns that have tabulators, there's 135 of them out of the 246 towns. The 135 towns with tabulators actually represent about 80% of the votes in the state of Vermont. If there is a mandate by the legislature that any town with a thousand voters or more must have a tabulator. We also, obviously, have early ballots. We have, we don't use the affidavit anymore, but it's still available to us if necessary. The affidavit was actually used in place of provisional ballots. And we also field eligibility questions. Election night reporting, prior to 2012, there was no election night reporting. Essentially, it was the media. And if you were watching the three or four stations, if you had them all up at the same time, like they do at the party headquarters, the numbers would be different from one station to the next because it depended on who you contacted. Well, we now have an election night reporting system that started in 2012, and we ramped it up more in 2014 and 16. We have excellent results from our website where you can actually see the information is updating or refreshing. Every five minutes, you just hit the refresh button. And we expect to, usually on general election night, which is actually a little bit easier than the primary night because primary days are, we actually are running three separate elections, one for each party, now the major parties. And on general election, it's just one ballot. So we expect that those results will start flowing in sooner, generally not till about eight o'clock, a little after eight that the numbers actually start to show up. We will be staffing here at this office. I know Will and Lori will be here early in the morning, prior to, well, everybody else is still asleep. They'll be here and we'll have staff here in the building until probably after midnight. For the media, there is an RSS feed. I think most of your stations have been contacted already to connect to the RSS feed. It's pretty simple connection on our website. And we also will be working with Twitter and Facebook to combat any misinformation. So I mentioned it a little bit earlier, but what, actually I mentioned it, I think in one of the interviews I just did, but the National Association of Secretaries of State and the National Association of State Election Directors have worked out with both Twitter and Facebook. Facebook has, we can actually communicate with them directly if we see something online that shouldn't be there. If it's misinformation, for instance, Democrats vote on Tuesday, Republicans vote on Wednesday, or the polling place is open until 10 o'clock, you don't have to go until, there's no lines after seven when we all know that it closes at seven. If we see something like that or hear about something like that, we will contact Facebook or Twitter. We're gonna go through our associations, our National Associations as a portal, that's gonna be the feed point to the platform. With Facebook, we will, as states, have that access. And we plan on monitoring as much as we can, but obviously both platforms are huge and we can't watch everything, so we're gonna rely on people telling us as well. Polling Place Rules, we have, we've provided guidance to all the town clerks, there are legal requirements that are set out in statute. Poll Watchers and Election Observers, there will be election observers in the state from overseas, it's the OSCE.org is the organization, and they have people pretty much across the country. They've been here now, they've already been here for a little while, they've left, they're now coming back until through election day, and they're just watching from an election perspective from overseas. We have an election complaint process for us, and people can report to us, the election day hotline number is 1-800-439-VOTE, which translates to 8683. People can call us directly. We are in communication with the FBI, the Department of Justice, US Attorney's Office and Homeland Security partners. We do on election day have a election day threat dashboard that the Department of Homeland Security has set up through what we call the election infrastructure ISAC, and ISAC stands for Information Sharing Analysis Center. So we do have a threat dashboard that all 50 states and over 1,200 counties or local communities will be connected to. So if something is happening somewhere, say in Arizona, and they can post it on there to let us know what's going on and the rest of the country can see it as well so we can prepare a defense if we need to. As far as our election security, we were the first agency in state government to adopt a cybersecurity plan. If we also fortified our defenses based on the results, that was a full blown vulnerability and risk assessment that we did back in 2013. We've had several penetration tests that we've done since then. The latest one was the end of April and we got the report in May and it essentially said, and I'm just paraphrasing it, but it said that we were, actually Peter, you had that. So you know what it said, it said that we had a well-defense, we were a mature well-defense system. And I credit that to the team because we actually started working on this back in 2013, probably ahead of where most states were. To put it bluntly, everything changed in 2016. When we received a phone call to get on a conference call with the Department of Homeland Security and Secretary J. Johnson, and he informed the Secretary's estate across the country that 21 states had been attacked, one had been breached. We were not one of the 21 states, so we were pleased about that. But we didn't find that out until a year later. In the meantime, in January of 2017, they named elections infrastructure as a critical infrastructure and that opened us up to have more resources available from the federal government. Things like weekly hygiene scans. We have a, we've been conducting with through the Department of Homeland Security a weekly cyber hygiene scan. They, essentially what they do is they look to see if any vulnerabilities have opened up in the previous week. And they issue a report that John receives and is able to act on if necessary. You know, to put it in layman's terms, when a bad actor is scanning our system and we get thousands of scans per day, but when a bad actor is scanning our system, it's like a burglar walking up to your house in the middle of the night, jiggling the door knob, looking in your windows to try to see if there's any place he can get in. That's what they do with a scan and as they're looking for vulnerabilities, we've pretty much shored everything up. As I said, we started back in 2013 and we have focused very much on putting in web application firewalls and a few other things that if I told you all, John would probably shoot me. So we do penetration testing on a regular basis. We have firewalls at all entry points. We are a separate member. All 50 states are members of the MSISAC that stands for Multi-Stake Information Sharing Analysis Center. We chose to be, and many of my colleagues chose to become an independent member of the MSISAC so that we had available certain issues or certain things that we could do, resources that we could access. I've got my security clearance so I can receive any information that they need to pass along. I'm a member of the government governing Coordinating Council, the GCC, which is under the MSISAC. It's basically federal and state partners together and we control the communications protocol. And we've also, our staff has taken it upon itself to secure the human with our town clerks. What we've done is actually produced through one of our vendors. They produced a two-hour WebEx that allows our town clerks to take it and it gives them basic knowledge about cybersecurity. Just to give it and put it in perspective, 80 to 90% of all breaches to systems, not just election systems, but any system, 80 to 90% of them are caused by a phishing email where they send a phishing email out and someone responds back, not knowing what it is. It might say it's from your bank and you need to access, we need your information so we can make sure that your system is secure. People will fill it out and send it back. That's the kind of thing that we are trying to prevent because that is the biggest factor, the biggest breach to these systems. So we've, like I said, we provide that security human training. We also added this summer two factor authentication just like a bank online does where you log into your bank and then they say, okay, you gotta get a second code pin number to put in. We have the same thing now. It's really about situational awareness and that's what we're focused on is having that situational awareness so that we can provide the information not only to the town clerks, but also up the ladder to our federal partners as well. Election confidence, we're confident that Vermonters votes will count. We did recently provide a op-ed about confidence in the system. We are working diligently to prevent fraud and hacking. We have a decentralized system as is most of the country. Our tabulators, the 135 towns who do use tabulators, those tabulators are not connected to the internet by either hardwire or Wi-Fi. There's no remote access software in them either. We have what I consider to be best practice and that's a voter mark paper ballot. And on top of that, we do a post-election audit where we are able, that's a public process, you'll all be getting notice about that. That'll happen within 30 days of the election. We usually do it over at the Pavilion Auditorium in a very public place where we'll receive ballots from certain towns that have been randomly selected. We've been doing audits since 2006 and we've never found a discrepancy. As I said earlier, we do a daily backup of all of our databases. So at worst case, we can go back 24 hours and we work closely with our town and city clerks. At this point, I've got my manager of IT here, I've got my elections director and my deputy here, so if you have any questions, we'll entertain those questions. What's the thing that wakes you up at night and makes you end up in a cold sweat? Just in general, the fear that we miss something, I don't think we have, the guy sitting to my left here, John Welch, has got a Department of Defense military background in cybersecurity, so he's very familiar with this stuff. But anybody that says to you, Wilson, that the, oh, we're fine, we're good, we're strong and we're not in any danger, that's a person I would be worried about. The bad actors will evolve over time. They will try yesterday and if they couldn't get in, they'll try a different way today and if they couldn't get in today, they'll try a different way tomorrow. The issue is, do we have the systems and defenses in place? And we constantly are reviewing, John will come to me, make some suggestions. We actually rely on, that's what a penetration test and a vulnerability assessment, that's what those are about, is to see if they find anything that could help us make it better. I mean, are there two, two, what was it? 246 holding accounts or whatever the figure was. Is there a concern that in any one of those, somebody could fail the two-factor authentication test or respond to that email, the phishing email and would that let them in? Well, that's a great question and because of the way, just like online banking with the two-factor authentication, someone would have to have access, but that email is already predetermined where that pin is gonna go to. So it's not like, you can plug it in and say, I'll send it to this email because it's already predetermined. We've already worked with our town clerks to set that up. There is no, it's a computer system, Wilson, and there is no, I can't say 100% will, nobody will get hacked. That's the fact of reality. No, I guess what I'm asking is, if somebody gets hacked, somebody can pick your little town, big town, whatever. They respond to the phishing email to give up the keys to the kingdom. Would that let the bad actor into the entire system through town acts? No, it's still limited to their access within the election management system. It's caramelized down to, they only have access to the certain portion of what they are responsible for. So they would only be able to deal with town acts. Correct, they don't have to pay that access. Possibly, possibly, right, okay. You said that 2016 changed everything. I'm sure in the past two years, a lot of your change since then. What are some of the big, what are some of the big changes, big things that you're worried about in this election that you might not have been worried about 2016? Well, I think overall, what I would say is that, first of all, in 2016, there were 21 states that were hacked, one state was breached. That state, by the way, was Illinois. But what gets lost, everybody focuses on the one state that was breached. What gets lost is that there were 20 states that actually defended against that attack. And let's make no mistake about it. An attack on our election systems is an attack on our democracy. And I think that really is the concern I have is that someone might be successful. I'm pretty confident that we're in pretty good shape here. We monitor the system. We have a real-time monitor that monitors all the internet traffic coming into the system. And it goes back to the Center for Internet Security for their review. And within 15 minutes, they can let us know if they see an anomaly or see that we're being under attack. We've got other systems in place. We've got web application firewalls in place. We have many, at one time when I said to John, I said, can you give me a visual of what we have in place? And he said, sure. And I looked at it and I said, this would be great. Can I give this to Peter? And he goes, no, I'd have to shoot you then. So it's really, it's a map of our system and we can't obviously provide that. But it's really, we have tremendous, I'm trying to convey that we have tremendous amounts of defenses that are in place and we're constantly monitoring it. We're constantly checking it out. You might remember that it was a few weeks ago, it was reported I think on NBC News that we had reported to the Department of Homeland Security that we had received the origin of country of a scam from Russia. And even though we defended against it and it was not anything that we were concerned about, we were concerned enough about it to send it to DHS to let them know so that they could review it and then they eventually sent it out to all 50 states to just be on the lookout that Vermont had had this situation. Have any of the nine or 10 hygiene scans have been done by DHS since the primary? I don't find any more mobility. Since the primary? Yeah. I don't think so. I'm curious your thoughts across the nation. There's been a talk of voter suppression. Certain states have an exact match. Wondering what your thoughts are on that is we have more people registering than ever in the state and it kind of related. If you ever ran for governor, would you still run the elections? That's a hypothetical and I'm not going to go there because I love my job and I'm staying right here for now. So I'll just leave it at that. But I will say that we do not use the exact match format. And I don't think very many states do. I think it's only a handful of states that are using this exact match which can be really problematic. But we don't use that system. We have multiple factors that are used as criteria. And keep in mind that our town clerks are the ones that actually add and delete from the voter registry. So if it comes in through the DMV or through our online voter reg system, it immediately will read, it reads the zip code and the street address and sends it to the correct clerk. So the clerk will then get it when they open up their computer in the morning that they will have on their dashboard. Here's a list of people who have registered to vote and they have to approve them. So they have to make sure that the address is legitimate and that they either know the person or whatever details they need. And once they've approved it, then notice goes out. And the system will automatically, if they detect that someone is already registered, the same person is registered. Let's say you're registered in South Burlington and when the clerk approves that, it says, oh, that person's also registered in Essex. It will send a notice to the Essex clerks telling them to remove that name. So as to skirt the issue of hypotheticals, do you think Secretary of State Camp should have resigned as post once he decides? I'll leave that. I don't know what their laws and rules are down there. I do think that there could be a problem down there. Back to the bad actors. Do you think, or do you know, or do you think, I mean, have they let you know? You know, are these bad actors sitting in rooms somewhere on the far side of the world? You know, are there computer screens? Oh, let's go after, let's go after Vermont. Or, you know, any of the states. You know, like the GRU fancy barrier, you know? Yeah. First of all, the entire intelligence community was able to identify the GRU as being a major player in this thing in 2016. And they've also identified that they're probably gonna be back at it again for this coming election. There have been some signs that they're involved. But that's above my pay grades, so to speak. And we have to rely on the Department of Homeland Security to let us know. I know John's constant communication between the MSISAC as well as with DHS. And we're in touch with the FBI as well. So if something were to arise, we would be immediately make contact. We also have here within the state, I think actually Christina Nolan was sending out a press release maybe this morning. But there's a concerted effort between the Department of Public Safety, the Vermont State Police, Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Attorney's Office so that we have a communication protocol in place. I do wanna bring up that number again. We do have a hotline number here at our office that'll be active on Election Day. And that number is 800-439-VOTE. And the vote stands for 8683. But that's a hotline where they can contact us. Anybody can contact us and let us know if they see, if you see something, say something. And we will make the determination of where that needs to go, whether it's to the Vermont State Police, the FBI or Department of Homeland Security. You were just talking a minute ago. I saw this, I think it was in the Bennington banner this morning. There was a story about duplicate names on the checklist. Is that what you were just talking about? No, we didn't talk about that. But I can also reference that. It doesn't mean they're on the checklist. What it means is they show up as a duplicate on their dashboard. And when the dashboard goes out and looks before that person is accepted, the dashboard will go out and look. Will can probably explain this a little bit better than I can. But essentially what it does is it looks, there's a, Wilson, as you might know, when Vermont started to change the driver's license information, they grandfathered people without birth dates and without social security numbers. Well now you have to have it when you get your driver's license. So what's happening sometimes is you get these duplicate numbers, or you might have someone that's registered in another town and the system will pull up. It doesn't necessarily mean that there's duplicates on, there probably are, but it doesn't mean that there are duplicates, a vast number of duplicates that are on the checklist. But won't you, maybe I hit it all. Well, I must clarify a little bit. We just read that for this one, too, Wilson. So I have another chance to follow up with the defendant, of course. But I intend to talk with her. And from what I can tell, the nuance didn't come through in the article. It's a distinguish between, yes, there are a lot of folks who may already be on the person's checklist who register again by either the DMV process or online photo range. But the same person applying who is on the checklist doesn't mean that the end result for that application is two records in the checklist. And the way that works is that these records, like Secretary Kamba said, come through the clerk's dashboard on their management system. When they click through to process those, to add a person's name to the checklist. And applications want to then clerk has to add the name through action that they take. And as they're doing that, the system searches their checklist, finds a duplicate, a person with the same name and says, hey, this might be the same person. Check this out. Cassie, the clerk, and Ben have described that there are these voter records out on her list that are longstanding voter records that have been in her town for a long time. They may not have a date of birth in the record or her guards, like this number. They'll still be found as a potential duplicate. And what she described, I believe, what she's doing is then you identify that as, yeah, that's the person, and you add that information to the record. So I- It merges it. It merges it. Edit. And we end up, you edit the record and then they end up as a single one. I think what we end up with is a record with better information. But also, Wilson, I do want to just touch base with, because there will always be duplicates on any voter registration database in the country. And, you know, it's not illegal to be registered in more than one place or more than one state. What is illegal is to vote in the same election in more than one place. And that's what we're trying to prevent. It's the same thing with charges that there's dead people on the checklist. There will always be dead people on the checklist. It takes time for those, you know, I guess the simple way to say it is dead people don't have a tendency not to inform us that they're not around anymore. And so that information will show up until we get a record change, whether it's through the, what is it, through Social Security? Department of Health. Department of Health. But it might take time, depending on where that person died. For instance, if they died in Lebanon, New York at Dartmouth-Hitchcock, that's in New Hampshire. It's not in Vermont. So it might take time for that thing to show up through the Vermont Department of Health before it gets sent to us. And again, the clerk is the one that has to make those changes. So that doesn't work? I think that it's a red herring. I really do think it's a red herring. And I think that a lot of fuss is made about it. But, you know, the only fuss should be if those people are actually voting. There was a case in North Carolina several years ago where the attorney general had this big press conference and said he found post-election that 900 people had voted that were dead. And it turned out little story that came out a few months later was when they investigated those 900, like 890 of them were actually people who had voted early and then passed away prior to the election day. But it still goes down as an election day, because it does count, right? Yeah, it does count. Once you submit your ballot to the town clerk, that's a legitimate vote. Jim, I would say just to add to that too, at both the federal level and the state level, the voter registration laws, federal level National Voter Registration Act, and then our registration laws are, in my mind, by design, it's easier to get on the checklist than it is to remove a name from the checklist. And that's, again, by design and I think makes sense. But that is why you sometimes end up with duplicates and people who've moved and people who've passed away. Do you have a turnout estimate for next week? Oh no, I wouldn't even attempt. It'll be better than 14, but it's not, I don't know if it'll be as good as 16. 14 was a particularly bad voter participation year. But I think that what we're seeing so far with the numbers, I'm not sure. Eric, do you have a copy of that? I don't, Wilson wasn't here. Do you, it's actually sitting in one of those folders right over there. Right, we'll get it to you. But we have updated numbers as of this morning. And we've already surpassed, we've already surpassed the number of ballots received back than the total for 2014. And the next week is a big week for ballots coming back in. So we expect to see those numbers climb. Earlier you mentioned in pre-toll time that the backup of a paper ballot, explain to people at what point if there were to be any kind of an issue, at what point do you go to those as a source to, a source to count votes? Great question. This past year, the legislature actually gave authority to the Secretary of State to be able to, if the Secretary of State believes that perhaps the machines have been compromised in some way to order a poll to plug and go to hand count on all ballots. Keep in mind our voter mark ballots, after the election, at the polling place, they will place them in the bags and seal those bags. And those are kept for 22 months. They can't destroy those for 22 months in case there are any questions or recounts or we do the audit and that town is chosen is one of the towns that we are gonna audit. So there's very strict custody, chain of custody for those ballots and they're kept in their vaults. Is the tabulator the machine that counts the ballots? Yeah, it's a scanner essentially. A tabulator is a scanner and it actually, all it does is scan that ballot and see where the ballot, the choices that were made and it records that. And keep in mind right after the election when they shut down at seven o'clock, the first thing that they do is they pull all those ballots out and they put them in packs of 50 but they also go through every ballot to see if there's any discrepancies. Someone might have instead of, they might have circled the name instead of filling in the oval to make sure or write-ins they will go through and actually visually inspect each ballot before they actually pack them away. Does the new AVS system, does it have a possibility for Wi-Fi connectivity? So it's completely secure? Independent. It's a single use tab, it has no other programming on the tablet whatsoever or Wi-Fi capability. As our tabulators are too, they're just, they're not connected in any way, not to each other or to the internet. I mean, just to play devil's advocate, to the tabulators so that somebody has to go in and flip up the little counter and look and write down the amount, the number for each candidate and then do they have to manually transfer that? And where you get transposed numbers and things. What occurs, Wilson, maybe you go to at seven o'clock at the polling place here in Montpelier but what happens is there's a key on the back of the machine and if they turn it to one direction or the other, I forget which, when they turn that key, they can actually shut down the scanning capability and then it'll summarize the totals that have come up. So it's like a register tape. It prints a tape and they're required to print two tapes, one goes in the bag and one they maintain, they keep. But they transfer the digits manually. They transfer those digits manually, that is correct. So there's no, it's not an automatic. That's an important distinction. Well, no, the idea is somebody can transpose some numbers because they're doing it. When Jim said it's not remotely connected, any kind of remote access software, well, that's more about me or Wi-Fi connection, some of the tabulators and other states may automatically transmit those totals. Or it's a print out a tape that's like a cashier's tape and then just like you said, it's a manual entry by the clerk from that tape into our election management system for the election night recording. And you asked 20 minutes ago what keeps you up at night. And my honest answer to that question is those kinds of human errors, not the original active flow. The biggest problem we've had has been human error. If you go back, Wilson, you've been around for a while. 2006, Randy Brock versus Tom Salmon. Randy Brock won that night by 180 votes. There was a recount requested by Tom Salmon and it turned, it was a complete flip where Tom Salmon won by 180 votes. What occurred when the team went back and looked at it, this is none of us, this was before us, it predated us. But what occurred was that there were 15 hand count towns that transpose numbers. So it was a manual process and that's what caused that. It was 15 towns that caused that error. To your knowledge, has there been an instance of compromise that we've had to go back to the tape ballots? Not that I'm aware of. No, and we've, like I said, we've been doing audits since 2006 and we've never found a discrepancy. No, because we don't consider that to be an audit. The audit, we consider recounts to be audits in a sense as well, but typically it's usually the same thing, it's a human error kind of thing where someone, human eyes will have, if you go back to 2000 in Florida, it was human eye and the hanging chads, is that, was that actually there or not? Was that a vote or not? And that's where you run into problems. And now we have a state of the art audit system that we use where we actually end up, not only do we end up with a good, clean audit, but we also end up with a file of all the ballots. We actually have a printout of those ballots from that race. And that's what I think to be precise right too is that the audits have never shown any indication that the tabulators are mis-tabulated. Just one last thing, Jim, maybe if I could, to go back to what keeps me up at night and what has changed a lot since 2016. It's the misinformation and disinformation online. Clearly. We have a lot more evidence now of conservative attempts to sow chaos and to undermine faith in our democracy came from other countries that comes from within our borders. So we wanna be really clear and careful about the information that we put out. We have our Twitter account, we have our Facebook account. We really would encourage people to think twice before they link to something that they don't trust, that they aren't sure about. And so I really worry about on election day some false information getting out there and we hope that people will report it to us. Again, if you see something, say something and we'll work with our trusted media partners to get the accurate information out there when misinformation comes out. And that includes you folks. We actually believe in the media. Is that what you would say is the biggest, the biggest ask you have of voters is to keep an eye on too. Be vigilant. That's right. Well, number one is coming out and vote. But number two is keep an eye on things and don't link to it if you're not sure of the source because that information spreads at the speed of light and that soon gets out of control. So we're constantly on top of our Twitter account on election day and hope a lot of people will pay attention to us as the accurate source of voting information. And now that we have this threat dashboard, so if anything, if any other state is seeing something, we can be aware of it through the threat dashboard. Or something's not responsive on our website. Definitely contact us and we're on top of it and our vendors are responsive that night as well. So Wilson, did you have a problem on election night in primary night? Several years. Okay, so we did have one election. This year we did. We did have a problem with Apple devices primary night through our election night reporting. People were trying to access through a tablet or through their cell phone and they were having trouble connecting and wouldn't connect. And what occurred was there had been an Apple update in the days before the election that had not been communicated. And so we had to go back to our vendor for our election night system and make sure that they took that into effect into account as they prepared for this coming election. So it's working now. Press Winters, I'm the deputy secretary. Thanks very much. Hope this is helpful.