 Right So I will Follow me to order and it's seven o'clock first order of business is the Are the minutes of February 5th, 2019 is there a motion? Your second Page one One thing under number seven is it talks about the public hearing bylaw amendment growth management I also wonder if it should mention that it also talked about the industrial zoning district West That was also part of the public hearing dead indeed Minor compared to the other discussion, but nonetheless part of it. Yes, absolutely it was Matt referred to it as the industrial zoning district West and then under number eight ditto, I Guess actually I take it back. It doesn't need to change It's fine the way it is Pardon me Yes, I believe so The bylaw amendment. Oh, well nice. We postponed the Action on both of them both of them, right? So I think it's fine the way it is Yes, oh to amendments. Okay. Yeah Anything else on page two three Man page four Here are your other comments on those in favor of approving the minutes of February 5 2019 as amended say aye. Hi. They opposed terry of stains stains This is time for public comment. This is a chance for anyone in the audience to talk about Anything to issue whether it's on the agenda or not. Is there anybody who would just make any public comments? See no hands raised We can go on to the Champlain on our district report and Jim and Joe and Liz are you all going to? be up with us Microphone very particular about his microphone So what is good evening? I'm just going to do a quick introduction and turn it over to Liz Royer who's your elected? Elected water commissioner from the town of Wilson and Joe Duncan The biggest news at Champlain water district is I'm fun. You're retiring But the bigger news is as Joe Duncan has been named General manager of CWD as of graduation first of July So you have the packet and I'll draw your attention to First the proposed 2019-2020 budget So it's looking good. It's about the same increase as we've seen average over the last 10 years on the historical CWD wholesale rate increase impact on average family See those it's a table to see the numbers laid out there and You can see the last two years are exactly the same so next page Okay comparative retail water rates This was a survey just compelled in December Drinking water around the county You can see that we're right in the middle It's about 518 per thousand gallons for a family so that is You know right where we want to be in the middle for the county the closest in size to Our system is the town of Essex and they're approximately the same so Again, that's that's looking good There's more information there. I don't know if you want me to go over anything else, but From my perspective it, you know, everything's checking out Drives the cost of Williston being 518 versus say well just our fire district number two being The markup is a retail we're Uniform wholesale rate to the 12 water systems that we serve and then the retail markup is decided by that's our own utility Retail markups very quite widely From the 12 municipal water systems that we serve that's to cover our maintenance of the system and Long-term debt or your operations your maintenance. Got it. Thank you What would be helpful for me if you don't mind is just a brief summary of what are the key drivers in From what I've seen from the budget, it's just kind of those those costs that increase incrementally year-to-year Electricity health benefits Yep, and me the board looks at we have you know our top ten list of things that are going to be increasing the most or things That kind of have varied from year to year and when we take a very close look at those numbers And everything has made sense, but yeah, it's it's just kind of those typical things that you can't control if I'm just gonna ask this more as a The devil's advocate type question, then it is don't read anything into this But our tax rate went up. I think this year around 2.2% or so and I'm just if we wanted to lower the rate Let's say to something like 2.2 percent. What would you look at to do that? well a bunch of the items that are on there is that every Every year we have a capital contribution and as you know Capital contributions are always something you people look to to trim. Yes We would strongly caution against that because because they'll come back to hurt you down the road back and bite you in the end But if you're trying to do that and so what we try and do every year is maintain a similar level of capital contribution And and also take a look at what we have that we cannot We can live without each year and try and trim back some of those which we do and the board does But then ultimately we sit and take a look at what are the things that we that we can't control chemical costs You know our bill for our electrical usage rates as well as Employee insurance those types of things and so what we try and do is as a board set a goal of somewhere in the 3% range to continue to maintain the level of service and That we're looking to provide both today and long term as well as Balancing those increases that are I think if you probably took a look at what the increases are and you probably know similarly in your shoes You know, you're not looking at a 2.2 percent increase in actual cost You're you're looking at something greater than that But you're trimming it back to get to a 2.2 percent and so we do something similar with that just just to add on Jeff the our That uniform wholesale rate for the average family cost Runs about a hundred and forty two dollars per year So our our our rate increase that we propose a six and a half cents because of the retail markups When you when you pass that along because of the retail markups, it's 1.36 percent on the retail rate So I mean we're We're in the wrong business, I think You're just We should charge The water based on the number of fixtures in the house similar to what Comcast does with a number of TV sets you have We're charging per month Basically what you're paying we're charging per year What most utilities are charging per month? Must get together because he does this every year It's for the quality of water That that we're supplying In the optimized treatment and on the first in the nation excellence water treatment award 20 years now We've been maintaining that Criteria and it's reviewed every year about 400,000 pieces of data I looked at every year to maintain that status best tasting water in North America like three years ago There there's a lot that goes into this This price and I think to to not Set money aside for capital and anticipate you read a little bit about our pipe integrity program We try to be very proactive not necessarily with just the quality of the water and public health protection But the aesthetics the taste infrastructure everything imaginable Is is for drinking water and it's it's it's it's great because we've got one purpose Okay, good. Thank you. Is there anything new other than the capital projects you talked in here about and we know about one very well Is there anything new new employees? New equipment that isn't or not really No, we know we When it comes to When it comes to capital projects there's obviously some new projects, but one of the things that we try to do And when looking at the budget is is the the timing of the projects that you see that have occurred over time and We'll continue to occur over the next several years is we've got debt That's falling off and so we've been trying to time our infrastructure improvements with that debt that's falling off so that we can incur similar or less than amount of debt not impact the rates so part of our long-term strategy for maintaining our infrastructure is looking at the necessary projects that we need to to work on and Identify them in a timeline that matches up with our debt service Okay, you know we're actually kind of going in the in the other direction of you know Not necessarily adding staff or adding Resources, but trying to use the staff that we have now and the resources that we have put away to look at Asset management programs we have a tank maintenance program that for all our steel tanks. We we have them under contract We have a fixed price for that contract and we know where that fits into our budget So we're not exposed to some of the hiccups and they have full maintenance responsibilities for those tanks So that we're not into hiccups of having all of a sudden Put up a tank out for some rehab and take a blow on our budget to deal with that We're there you probably might have read in there We have a new a new effort that we're undertaking of looking at our pipes from an asset management strategy We are fortunate enough knock on wood to only have nine to ten breaks in the history in the 30 and the 40-something history of our system, which is probably someone unheard of but We're watching our neighbors our surf systems pipes experience issues and they're slightly older than us and so It's possible that we may be in that same condition So what we're trying to do is understand that anything that we can do now for cost avoidance As well as long-term infrastructure maintenance providing a level of service that we need at the minimal cost will help Stabilize the budget that we're looking at so that every year when we come to you to present any kind of increase that increases really a function of of the economics of The year and with some sort of response to what the cost of living is and the cost of services are and not some Jurassic change to you so that you get hit with a large A large number that no one's expecting so as much as three percent may sound Daugting in a real easier and you guys are in the two-ish range, which I appreciate by the way We we do our due diligence to make sure that we are putting money aside to maintain Okay, good. Thank you. Then my last question I don't know how to I'm gonna give it a name, but it's going to be it appears global foundries is doing a good job of water efficiency I'm looking at the chart you provided for annual water sales and You know 2000 was a banner year in terms of water sales and it's decreased Drastically down to about 2010. I I assume a lot of that had to do with global foundries and and my question really is is when you had a large user who has The good news is they've been able to significantly cut their water use But that has an impact On the rest of us because that large user is no longer buying as much water Is there much of an impact of that on on us the town in our whole sale rate? Currently not so much, but definitely back in the What was it oh five oh six seven time frame as they were dropping there was a shift in and how because we are a Per gallon per thousand gallons sold great. So obviously if we don't have as much water sales We don't have as much revenue So a couple things that are going on as we we do have our capital reserve that is set aside Hopefully for future capital, but it is also there In case global does take a turn in its in its usage But then obviously there would need to be a long-term strategy as it did that'd be a short-term buffer You'd have to take a look at a long-term strategy, but Based on where we are today. They are generally stable if you will obviously there's nothing guaranteed there's a lot of Unknowns over there. There's not a lot of talk when you talk to anybody about how they are things are going but at the moment Things are stable, but we have tried to buffer that to with our capital reserve case It did take that turn. Thank you that 11.26 year peak. Yeah IBM at the time was approaching 5 million gallons a day Unfortunately that decline They got at one point in time really close to two and a half Right now they're about three point four million gallons a day have been somewhere between three point three and three point five over the last ten years But Whether you looked at this chart went back to 1973 when we started Any year that we went up or any year that we went down 80-20 roll applies most most all of our increases in the back 80% related in the industry a lot of usage at that site same with the declines over the years they've they've They shifted a lot After 2000 they were gearing up Rick may remember the fab 2000 Talk when when Vermont was one of the finalists for an expansion that went to New York, but And then once the investment was made in New York a lot of manufacturing Horsepower and capacity. I think went to that new site and and declined If you will I kind of look at it as the chip manufacturing capability per square foot of Fabricator that they have over there So there they've been very very Consistent for the last ten years. Thank you. There are questions from members of the board. I Have one question It's not in your written report here, but it was in your manager's report Your board The final numbers for the storage tank in Welliston, would you mind if you have those would you mind sharing? Yeah, yeah and that is it did wind up making it into your into your into your summary and so the We were under ran we actually should probably put the actual totals of everything in here, but we We under ran everything on the town side by about 225 thousand dollars Under ran we were under budget you were under budget. Yeah, yeah under budget. Sorry. Yeah under budget by 225 We were under budget by about 36. So as a whole we were about 261 thousand dollars under budget for that project That is the direct impact on what we're gonna have to pay To the water district on that debt which will directly affect our water users. So that's that's good news We we had a budget of I want to say it was about one point five million dollars for that project and When we put it out to bid the bid came in about 260 thousand dollars under the estimate and those were actually savings and construction costs the original project costs There was significant savings There as well because when you build a larger tank When we decided to go in and double the size of the tank the cost per gallon went down significant Up to 3% state revolving fund Money and there was significant savings there as well. So front end and back end was just a went perfectly Can I ask one more question you mind just the mains you talk about in the maintenance on the mains? Those go to the water tank. I assume There there are yes, that's part of a Most of the infrastructure in the town is town maintained and owned most of the majority of water mains within the town Are we on that? That's an our capital plan our long-term planning and you guys take care of basically getting it to We don't necessarily make it directly to the tanks, but we have a defined Location where we feed to that we own and we maintain that line And then any of the lines that are connected to that that feed the residences and commercial properties are all Town of Wilstons and there's there's a plan in place to for a long-term strategy for maintenance of that by the town countywide we probably own CWD wholesale transmission the large remains probably 54 miles maybe 10% If you took all the distribution systems of the other 12 Water systems 600 miles. Yeah, I gotta be 600 miles or so. Yeah, a lot of pipe a lot of hill and dale if you will in Jinnah County It's also important to note that that new water tank now is owned by the water district and they're responsible for maintaining it Not the town Yeah, that was a really good project of for those of you that aren't familiar with it. There's a There's tower lane, which is I guess no more tower lane because there is no tower there anymore, but that elevated storage tank Was a was a bit of a maintenance challenge given that it was it's elevated The underside would be exposed to a lot of condensation a lot of wear and tear and metal wear and tear and a lot of paint Required to maintain that at a very steep price So when there was an opportunity for the town to look at additional storage We were happy to work with the town to as Jim said lower the cost per gallon by making the tank a little larger and Eliminating that tank from our long-term maintenance program. So Is it we were able to reduce the the capital outlay by the town and also able to reduce the long-term? long-term management Requirements of that tank which would have been spread across the entire county But Wilson would have been a portion of that long-term maintenance of that tank Offsetting that was was a win-win for everybody. I hardly knew they were there when they were I mean, I live pretty close to that They constructed that in You could barely tell anything was going on. It was a little impact same with the tower coming down I was hoping to see that actually, but yeah, you had to get there quick I May be the only one, but I missed that old that landmark You pass it on the interstate and easy to tell people when you see the tank take 35 Seven of the 35 are in our retail enterprise fund So we we sort of manage Through a separate nothing to do the wholesale water rate a separate budgets for Doing water department work for some of the systems that we that we serve And we are fortunate we don't have we don't have a lot of turnover We've we've had a couple positions that have seen some turnover with some younger staff who have Who haven't stayed around but I would say that's a anomaly as a matter of fact We're actually we have three three retirements this year. We have Jim We have John time Maggie who's our retail superintendent who's retiring at the at the end of the fiscal year, and then we also have a Midnight shift operator who's been there for? 35 years I'd say on the midnight shift. Yeah, so People once they they get their tender tend to stay there and which we're very fortunate of because We've been able to build some really good talent with our staff there So you serve all the Champlain water district has served Well run by 28 people, you know, I minus the seven you said were a retail enterprise. Yes all the water treatment Water treatment the transmission systems the pump stations maintenance of the tanks maintenance of our of our intake Pump station raw water pump station in That's the water treatment 75,000 more than 10% of the Any further questions Thank you, so much happy to go through any of the capital project, but I assume you guys are you got everything you need But if there's anything any questions you have free to reach out to us happy to Get you have what you need Congratulations, you too. Thanks. Have a good evening. Thank you So let's go on to the page property conservation easement to Melinda Scott is here And I think Eric will be joining her a short while for questions, so Have a memorandum to us All right Steve and Debbie page who lived next to the McCullis have agreed to donate 17 acres of their property to the catamount community forest Because they're enrolled in current use now Donating that 17 acres to the town makes their remaining property ineligible for current use and so That would subject the pages to land use change tax fee Which is estimated at $16,000 This fee is collected by the state and most of it is retained by the state with a small percentage going back to the town This fee could be substantially reduced by the assessor's estimate to Roughly $2,500 If a conservation easement was placed on the pages remaining eight acres of land enrolled in current use The Vermont Land Trust wouldn't hold an easement this small so The town holding the easement is really the only option The pages are readable to this Both to reduce their costs and to ensure additional protection of land next to the town forest The Conservation Commission Discussed this on February 6th, and they are recommending that the town hold a conservation easement on these eight acres Both to reduce the land the land use change tax and to protect additional land to next to the Fort town forest and They're also requesting the select board consider using ERF funds to cover any remaining land use change tax incurred by the pages Would that be the roughly? $2,500 Yeah, although the that's not confirmed. That was an estimate You're ever been used for that specific purpose in the past No It would I mean I guess it would be considered as Purchase of a conservation easement Okay, so it has been used to purchase conservation easement kind of a way to think of that is in lieu of the one dollar Yeah, you'd as the cost of obtaining that easement permanently right There are questions. I think there was a question regarding the easement document itself Here at the moment to answer those questions, but if there's other questions Before we get to that will recess for a few minutes until Eric. That's here. I have a couple questions if it's okay So yeah, I think you answered my first one. This was done in the past, but under some different circumstances as you mentioned What is the revenue loss for the What is it eight acres? it's I Haven't calculated exactly, but it's gonna be pretty minuscule I believe Reason this miniscule because because it's in the state land use Our current use program so it that reduces the taxes, but it wouldn't be Would it in the future would it if they took it out? if By the fact that they're donating Seventeen yes, 17 acres that this remaining eight acres would then be taxed at a much much higher rate So I know it's ag it's it's just trying to get a feeling for what that number would be and And I know they're donating the 17 and the 17 they're donating remind me Melinda is it actively part of the town forest in other words part of the trail system part of Um Yes, it is yeah, it will be part of the trail system. So it's actively actively going to be useful, right? Okay, in fact on this eight acres there is a trail that goes through at the top of that there's That's also part of the trail system and catamels do have access to because it was a little unclear from the ease At least the original easement that I reviewed whether we actually have access as Count forest users to the property for recreation because it seems like the property includes barns and Orchards and other things. Yeah, so the only place the only yeah The only place we would have access is through this is along this trail easement. So it's actively a farm ag area Yeah, I mean he's got he's got a barn and I believe the barn would be in the in the excluded two acres And there's some solar trackers You know, I think I'm not sure what else he uses the property for So that kind of leads me to my main question is Are we creating a situation and I know they're donating or giving us land that Will be part of our town for us, but are we creating a situation where? We're providing some preferential treatment here. They're they're actually using the property, right? That's the eight acres is in use and feels a little bit like a farm like an egg farm and Do we you know, are we creating up is there a Again Concerned with that situation He didn't express any concern about that Linda, could you clarify? Are they in current use because of ag or because of forest? I believe because of I Believe it's forestry, but it's because I don't think of the pages property as ag related Sort of at all. Yeah, negatively. I just I was just reading This is the first time I saw a picture so I was reading the And if I interpreted If I interpreted this correctly the issue becomes if they pull the 25 acres out because they want to sell or they want to Donate 17 to the town. There's eight remaining that eight is too small to have enrolled in current use Yeah, that's correct And thus the tax increase would be it would go from whatever the tax rate was in current use to whatever the tax rate was as Residential property under the town municipal tax rate I assume so I think it's well The best to the best of my understanding it would be the two acre home site and then the rest would be taxed As excess land, but I'm not really sure about that so I don't even want to say Right, but it couldn't be in current use anymore because it's too small and and Right and what results from that is this one-time fee of? 16 thousand dollars. Maybe that's the bigger issue. It's the one-time fee. Yeah Tax rate because again, you have a homestead that's two acres and maybe the other Well, and that's that's actually outside the eight, right? Yeah home looks outside. Yes So this would be access for some other Probably a low fee structure and again my question would be just are we creating a special situation that we can't defend? So that's that's my concern Well, did you see any issues with in the easement area the eight acres? There's a driveway. There's that you mentioned the solar trackers Use of those Whatever you call those improvements that Is there any issue with those improvements on the page property and the conservation easement? No, I don't see any issue. It's I think it's probably similar to the conservation easement on the catamount property. There are certain improvements like a barn and you know a ticket booth and a parking lot and trails and As the easement is written it permits continued use of what's there. It just doesn't permit subdivision or further further development Yeah, if we do give a conservation easement to the other eight acres Do we I don't understand the the mechanics Do we not no longer than collect the regular taxes we would for the others the six acres or the eight acres? It wouldn't I think it would be taxed differently Yeah Because the difference in that would create the situation you know prefer you know what would be preferential versus And I think the 16,000 You know in exchange seems like an exchange for giving the 17 acres to the town for the town forest You know, maybe that could be Because that it that goes comes at no no cost to us, right? $1 right Well, I think it would make it very difficult for that. I don't want to speak for the pages I don't know but I could see where could make it difficult for them to feel comfortable donating the 17 acres if they knew They're going to be hit with a 16,000 tax bill after they made such a you know a great donation news No, it's not news. It's just No, the the pages have known about this Fee and they've known that they've they You know that they would be responsible for this fee So it's not they they're not They didn't come to us asking for the conservation easement It's just something we thought you know, it's it just seemed to me that they're donating land and I Don't know. I just it seems Very fair to have that cost them so much money, but The way that the current use program works on the state level if they do that the remaining parcel they have left Will will no longer be available for current use Benefit and that'll cost them $16,000. So in order to give the town 17 acres of land they're going to be penalized by the state by $16,000 right all we're doing is putting an easement on the rest of their property that will Reduce that fee substantially because it's a conservation easement and it's treated differently Okay, plus I think they They're interested in protecting the remaining of their property I mean, they don't want to see it developed or subdivided. So they have that interest as well the thing, right? I mean, they're giving 17 acres to the town and then they're preserving from development The the remaining yeah And the other piece of it is there's also the Request from the conservation commission to consider the use of the urf to cover any remaining land use change tax Encouraged by the pages and I understand that the only thing my only question about that was Is that a one-time tax or is that a tax that happens on an annual basis? It's a one-time tax Yeah Pull out of the current use program. It's more like a panel penalty fee or something feel okay. I just was it's a one-time thing Okay, so it's more of a fee than it is a tax. Okay Rick just for consistency I mean is it our policy to normally do this to offer up these kinds of things? Yeah, I mean did we offer it to the pages? Did we talk to them about this? We did okay, and they didn't ask for it No, they did not approach us with this idea. I approached them I'm sorry. Did you say it was or I? Asked if it was normal for us to offer up these kinds of concessions when they weren't asked for Well, and again, we have the opportunity to gain eight acres for twenty five hundred dollars As a permanent easement. I think there's definite town interest there with us For the slack board to determine whether they agree with that or not But it certainly made sense from a staff viewpoint to pursue that My Mike when I asked the question about has the ERF been used for this It was just more to see if we had a past precedence of this doesn't sound like we do no In the question becomes is this an appropriate use of the ERF do we concur with that? What was I going with this I mean one aspect of this I know the town has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for some land to be conserved You know certainly if you're using that as as a factor in trying to make this decision You could see where it would support $2,500 to get a additional acres Conserved under an easement in addition to the 20 to the 17 there's a Cost-benefit aspect to that I also make can add this concept was discussed with the slide board at the board's last meeting and it was One of the point out it was discussed to review by the conservation commission and both boards Shop it was worth pursuing and so that's where it brought us to this point But there's an issue with the legal language on that is that what we're waiting for is What is left? Like it's as much fun as it's been to discuss this for as long as we've discussed it tonight Is there is there another issue that we're waiting to discuss the is there a question about the Question was on the easement the one that you received in your packet is different than the one you have on your desk tonight And I don't know if Melinda's familiar with the changes or not. I know Eric is but I Much more delineated much more in the legal format it should be and that was the result of our attorney's input back I mean, I think if you just looking to give you at the brief differences, I mean there's a proper description Which wasn't in the other one? It sounds like Eric may become Nope I mean I can Been added to it if that's helpful So yeah, basically there's a description of the area of land which is necessary And then they list on page two all of the encumbrances currently on the property including waste water easements Electric power easements trail easement Things like that act 250 come and then basically they list some permitted uses on page three Basically, you know restrict the uses to agriculture timber Trails and then whatever's there the ability to maintain what's currently on the property including the solar trackers and the barn and the driveway I know the addition of number three under permitted uses which basically is just allowing for the Residents continue as a single-family residence with all the appropriate rights to correct and fix and maintain And then on yet in number for the solar units, okay? Then there's provisions of enforcement On the last page But we don't understand the difference in tax rates or taxes that we would charge for the eight acres under the conservation easement versus How it would normally be taxed? That's a true statement. There's different ways of comparing it I don't have the numbers One is to compare it what it's taxed now Versus Would it be taxed at using great tax now? That's going away But I'm saying that is one way what is tacked now versus will be taxed with the class region easement And then the other issue is Well is just turn here to what is tacked now versus what would be taxed if it was just regular land Trying to avoid a preference preferential treatment here. I understand the 16,000 Maybe we can justify the conservation easement to keep them from paying that huge fee for giving us land But ongoing it seems like we should tax it as we tax other people with the same kind of property in the same use But wouldn't that include the same type of property same use meaning with a conservation easement on it It'd be the fair market value of it The fair market value will be affected by the easement right would be affected by the easement I'm not worried about it, but maybe it's a good idea to get this information Rick could we get this from Assessor for that yeah, so there's two separate questions one is the accepting the easement Whether you want to offset the cost Correct don't don't believe that we need to answer that question tonight I think it would be nice if we could answer the question about accepting the easement But we I think what What I'm hearing is there's some interest in knowing what the tax implications are whether we accept the easement or not You know If we don't accept the easement what does that mean in terms of the tax is yeah My impression is that the property isn't going to be developed because the pages don't want to develop they are they live on it It's probably will stay that way forever as long as they live or their ancestors live, but I think so forever I understand except for permanent easement. Yeah It's a good point, but I just think I just was that's my own I don't think it's bad information to have to help us make a decision I personally I don't think it's going to sway me, but it's not bad information to have so is it the Consensus of the board to put this issue off until another meeting Yes, but Melinda before I answer that is is there any repercussions to us waiting to the next meeting? And we have some more information in making a decision on this Yeah, the only time time sensitive thing is that if If the land use change tax fee is to be Substantially reduced by that means that the town would have to hold the easement before Closing cat amount which is think scheduled for the third week in March at this point So just with that in mind our next meeting is when March 19th. Oh gosh, okay What day I hadn't heard this closing is what day is that we don't know yet, but Some sometime during that week Yeah, well we can work Yeah, I'm actually fine with this the way I just was kind of getting feel Terry do you have I have no problems with accepting the easement whatsoever It would be nice to have the Motion is always in order sure I've moved to accept a permanent conservation easement to the town from Steve and Debbie page Sir discussion then on the motion. This is a separate issue than the actual Using any town funds to yes Any further discussion on the motion? Could you explain again because I want to make sure I understand what I'm voting? There are two separate issues one is whether or not we accept the easement. Yes, the second one is if we do accept the easement is the town Separate apart from that is the town going to Authorize payment of town funds to make sure that the pages don't lose money by giving us an easement and giving cat amount These 17 acres so this puts me in a little bit of a precarious position. Let me explain for a sec I would prefer that we had the tax information before we make this vote But I also am strongly in favor of the easement. I doubt the tax information will sway me So I'm left in that precarious position. Do I vote yes because I want to support this or no because I don't have the tax information yet that but I'm swayed by I am Supporting the easement. So I just want to explain why tax the tax information seems to me is relevant to if Like I don't see how there would be any possible preferential treatment Relative to that. I mean a lot of people in town have given the town conservation easements I'm not worried from a preferential treatment standpoint. It just would be good information to have especially if it shows There's very little tax. I mean my ability there What is the total grand list value of the properties that are subject to property tax in Williston? It's more than more than two or three thousand dollars as I understand it right It's multiple hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm not worried about the tax revenue being lost to the town So if that issue isn't there then the other only other one would be preferential treatment Which again, I don't consider this preferential treatment I don't either because it's taxed at what the fair market value is if there's an easement on it That is that it impacts fair market value which impacts the tax. There's nothing unfair about it or preferential Okay All right, I didn't understand that either. Okay Is there any further discussion on the motion? You're a none all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed and any abstentions? So we're taking care of that. We're waiting for Matt to come in to talk Do we want to discuss the second issue tonight the or F? I think we want to have the information that you are waiting for the information for that Okay, before we get to before we tackle that one So we're waiting for Matt to come in to talk about the bylaw amendment We discussed it at length to we seal when we had the public hearing And there may be some questions the board has Regarding it for Matt and he's written the memo. I think on the high flyer issue that we Talked about a couple we seal so Perhaps we can go to The managers report before we get over that It isn't a particularly long report The one item of note in my written report But I want to touch upon is the fact that we have in fact hired a new finance director Her name is Shirley Goodell lackey. She starts a week from today and Starting sir that in a fact because she already has a meeting set up with Jennifer And of course as you know, she or maybe don't know she's been attending a lot of the select board meetings And she's also a town resident She has been working for the past 20 years or so for st. Michael's college Finance office. She is certified public accountant We are looking forward to having her back on our staff and get back up to full strength in our office that'll be Definitely something we're looking forward to In the meantime Jennifer is helping out continually with odds and ends and it's the financial report which I sent out late because she came in on the weekend and so I I sent out right after I There isn't anything of particular note in there other than We're running ahead on revenues, which is a good thing and running Short on expenditures in other words under budget on expenditures somewhat we continue to have Opening in both the police department and the fire department I believe the fire department position is in the process of being filled right now and We also just filled a position in the public works department. So in the public works department The police officer position still remains a challenge and I know the chief is working hard to find a good applicant for that position and relating to that is local options tax report I presented It's included. It's mentioned in Jennifer's report But also A separate report The receipts tend to remain strong so far we're Ahead of what we were last year at this time both on the sales tax and the rooms and meals tax Close on it and our next report will be Probably sometime in early May I think I think there's If the state Sometimes there's a correlation between that how well the sales tax is doing statewide versus I think that's true. I think the last Well, of course the and the state gets their information every month rather than on a quarterly basis and right now the sales tax I believe is Substantially ahead of where it was a year ago And that's all I had in the seating for managers, okay Think I saw Matt to come in so So we'll bounce back to the bylaw amendment on the growth management and Consider adopting it two weeks ago. We discussed that length this along with the residents of public hearing and In the meantime, you have written a memo To us and perhaps you give us a brief description of the memo and then we can ask further questions if we have Certainly Good evening. So under the Discussion that we all had about the changes to growth management last time One of the elements that received a lot of attention from the board and that this memo addresses is this concept of the high-flier project. So These would be projects that would score so well under the revised criteria that they would be allowed to proceed through subdivision review without competing for allocation in the yearly growth management process and Would not have to fit within the 80 unit per year cap. That's otherwise established So this would be the only way that you could develop a residential project in Williston and have it treated The way residential projects are treated everywhere else in the state of Vermont because Williston is the only town that does growth management So in trying to figure out what to recommend about just just how Beneficial how much in service of the goals of the comprehensive plan would a project have to be to gain this exemption The planning commission recommended a finding made by the DRB that a project was going to score 70 points or better on a hundred point scale So one of the comments I heard from a board member was well gosh You know 70s a c-minus that doesn't sound so great So keep in mind in Williston in growth management 30 is a passing grade Under this system 30 points minimum to get allocation at all There are actually a few exemptions from that And the goal of the memo I prepared for you for tonight is to provide a little context about what that 70 point threshold looks like So I selected a project in each of the three allocation areas So there are separate geographic areas the growth center the remainder of the sewer service area that's not in the growth center and the ag rural portion of town that's not on sewer at all and identified these are the three top scoring projects in growth management as it exists today one for each of those areas so we're talking about The Cottonwood crossing project in Taft corners in the growth center the Northridge project in the other sewer service area and The Michael Bruce subdivision in the ag rural zone district So each of these project is the highest scoring project for its area But as I've mentioned in the draft revisions to growth management the criteria become more stringent difficult to achieve points These projects would not score as highly today under the proposed revisions as they did when they were scored by the DRB and I think most critically none of them Would be high flyers as they were presented to the board and approved so all of the projects would need some kind of enhancement and Broadly the first thing is that high flyer is Set up in the draft to correlate heavily to the town's energy goals so Today the standard for energy to get incentive points in growth management is energy star It's essentially understood as almost everybody's meeting it and and just kind of those are essentially free points in the system We go away from that To get a high flyer status you need to score at the top of your class in energy efficiency and this means All of the units meet the efficiency Vermont high performance standards. This is a higher standard Primarily related to insulation air sealing thermal conductivity of your windows things like that So we're talking about thermally very energy efficient units In addition to that elevated efficiency standard for the units themselves The project needs to generate at least three quarters of its projected energy demand on site through renewables So generally wind or solar There is an alternative to the 75% on-site generation that's proposed to be allowed Which is four days worth of storage of demand for electricity on the site The theory behind that is if we do have a system in Williston where we have Wind and solar producing power You know power essentially in the absence of some kind of battery has to be consumed as it's produced And so what happens in the grid is when there's lots and lots of demand for electricity We have to go off and buy it from essentially more expensive and dirtier sources When you have battery storage when there's lots of lots of production happening like a very windy day Or a very sunny day. There's at least some opportunity to store that energy and consume it Thus consume it when you need it thus cutting the tops off those peaks of demand and not having to go as far afield to purchase The dirtier or more expensive energy. So it lets you Store more of your locally produced green energy keep it in the town and buy less from further away You know, there are things out there like In the grid there are Baseload power plants that are just there to kind of always provide whatever the demand is and there are peak plants that are less Efficient and more expensive to run, but they're really quick to turn on and so those are the kinds of things that happen across the grid as Power demand goes up and down. So storage. It's an emerging thing You know, we're seeing things like the Tesla power wall It's and even the use of your electric vehicle plugged in overnight as storage of power when it's cheaper And there's some talk of the really advanced smart grid of being able to feed back in so You're not making anything when you're storing it But you are allowing a much more efficient use of the greenest energy because that energy tends to be produced on an intermittent Basis that doesn't align with demand. So that's that's why storage is a possibility there as well so then in all of the three projects would have to make commitments Pretty much 100% beyond the ones that they made In regards to energy efficiency and energy production to be high-flyer projects And then each of them would also have to do something Extra so in the case of cottonwood crossing, this is the highest scoring project ever to go through growth management in Williston ever ever 88 points And it and it and it scored high in the current system primarily on the basis of providing The highest level of affordable housing that's incentivized in growth management So when I talk about things like the 80% median housing the stuff we never get Cottonwood actually provides some units in that 80% median category. So this is a mixed-use project 173 dwellings 70 of them at a hundred and twenty percent median income affordable 35 at a hundred percent and 18 at 80% So that means at 80% of the area median income that household can afford one of those units Spending no more than 30% of the household income on the unit. So That's the standard for affordability. So cottonwood will provide more and a greater diversity of affordable housing within the project than any other project Ever ever has or has been proposed to in Williston Nevertheless that 88 point score under the revised bylaw drops to about 55 points and a lot of that is related to The way energy efficiency would be scored and as I said to make it to high flyer You've got to do the top category for energy Anyway, so you could take that 55 up to about a 65 by doing the energy efficiency stuff that you have to Nevertheless, you still have to go find at least another five points in this proposed system Cottonwood would need to add some sustainable transportation facilities Maybe build a bus transfer center or make some publicly available electric vehicle charge stations And within the draft there's some quantitative requirements So big projects have to provide more of that than small ones to to get the credit for that Preservation of an off-site open space parcel might be another way that in which cottonwood could get those few extra points So imagine cottonwood, but much higher level of energy efficiency making 75% of its power on site and doing Something else in the realm of open space or sustainable transportation and you've you've got a high flyer project I'm moving to the residential zoning district our other sewer service area our example is Northridge Can I ask on the three-quarter? Energy demand the 75% Energy demand is that total energy for the house that's electric that's heat Yeah, it would it would encompass the electrical demand and the heat demand so thermal and electric So in the heat in those homes is Is it electric? Well, you would you could convert so you you you could just look at it as energy and I understand right right But but we do think you know if we look at the energy goals that are coming through in the comprehensive plan And then the folks are working on next door tonight Transitioning to electric heat pumps and electrifying more and more of residential heating is definitely a piece of the state energy goals so You know you could you could say well, you know We're going to burn some wood and we're going to burn some natural gas and we're going to use some electricity But you can turn all of that into kilowatt hours And then we'd be looking for 75% of that in terms of the on-site production And the storage can I just ask unless you're going to come back to it later? No go for it On the smarts. I guess I this concept. I understand the concept if you're generating energy or If you are you know, I know somebody who's building a home out in the sticks and they want to be You have a harder system so that if power goes out as it does sometimes in rural areas They have they're putting in like four Tesla power walls. I thought I don't know how long that lasts or but And I understand that use but it is whole concept of putting in batteries power walls if you will to Claim efficiency is is a little foreign if you don't have generation right there and you're Or you have some complicated system that has that can draw That's I guess that saves the power at the right time or saves the energy at the right time I'm trying to figure out exactly how this so makes it you know makes makes this the housing project or The system were efficient. No, I'm I guess I'm at a loss to understand the concept here Sure, I understand if you're generating, but I don't understand if you're not so maybe you're not generating But maybe there's a solar farm down the road that is and so But you're not gonna you know, you're gonna How will you dump but you're gonna dump energy out of these batteries and then pick it up when this this other system is generating? Otherwise, you're just taking stuff off the grid, right? You're just pulling energy off the grid right so filling it up and kind of leaving it full and yet So there's you know, we're using it There's a couple ways you can do that I mean, you know the the grid works best when everything sort of all interconnected And you can't necessarily sort of name one electron, you know flowing through it Of course, yeah, yeah, this is from a coal plant But what you what you can do is by having storage you can you can offset the need to kick on those those more carbon-intensive sources So it may it may not be that you're offsetting The creation of you know very dirty power in in Williston because we you know, we don't generate like that right, right But there there are you know You might have a battery because your project is not in a place that's good for solar and Somebody else might have a solar farm but but no demand because maybe they just decided to build a solar farm Which is typically what we see You know right now we don't see a lot of these sort of integrated projects where I'm gonna build houses And I'm gonna build panels The existing solar farms in Williston Just feed into the grid and that electricity is Consumed But it's it's a major it's a major challenge with renewables That you're making all this electricity and you're not making it in response to demand You're making it in response to the wind is blowing while the Sun is shining In terms of on a on a more micro scale You're gone for the day You're off at work your your air conditioner is not running really hard But it's very very sunny out and you're making lots of electricity And you come home at night the Sun's gone down your panel is not making any electricity now It's lovely if that's all happening just on your home site But it works much better when it's all interconnected And so this is this is an acknowledgement of that and I think honestly just saying you know Encouraging all this green energy is great But it's even better if it comes with storage that means we actually can can use it when we need it I understand that when you generate storage. I'm just this other concept. I'm not actually I'm still not very clear on it I have to I guess I have to think about it more and is it is it is this practice to anywhere this kind of Storage without generation Well, I think that in providing some kind of a credits or I think I think I don't know about in terms of providing Credits it is if in certain green certification Programs and I and I'm not I apologize up on the latest and greatest of the lead standard for example But I know there are Programmatic certification programs where if you want to say we're a green building. We're a green campus Beans, you know providing storage is one way of achieving some points in that in that calculation And I could see saving during one time and that you know during Non-peak hours and then using it during maybe during peak hours Yeah, and could be that gets to my question is Is there a requirement for instance with the battery four days of storage in a battery that For instance the electric company determines when that's when that electricity can go to the batteries versus when it can't because the electric company Probably is the best at deciding when is electricity they're expensive or coming from dirty sources versus cleaner sources So generally it's going to happen via pricing You know what we're seeing with the latest electrical vehicle technology is you you know You go home and plug your car into the wall But you've you've told your car don't start buying electricity until it gets cheap after seven o'clock at night So it's there's a there's a market element in there So it's maybe not the power company reaching in and saying I'm not going to put anything in your battery But they're saying you know I'll put some in and if you really need to charge that right now But if you wait wait till later, it'll be cheaper Understand and the other question was is is a requirement that the electricity that goes into those batteries be purchased as green electricity or There's no requirement in this that that it be I mean I as zoning administrator I have almost unlimited power, but Enforcing that would be challenging the king of Williston Looking at your smart meter In just one it's a facetious comment, but I'm going to ask That battery can't be the battery in a car can it we haven't said that here Um Capacity right, you know, but but but to some degree batteries or batteries I would say that the the power walls and some of the other home storage solutions that are coming out They actually are a great way to get a second life out of an EV battery So Electric vehicles need batteries that perform at a very high level they and start to be maybe they're only 80% as good as they used to be We're starting to see those batteries get put into Power banks at generators and other places because they're still just fine for adding grid stability They have a whole other life when you don't need to drive it down the road anymore So it's it's it's not entirely facetious Ask about EVs So I talked about the growth center a little bit. I did want to go over the other two examples briefly Northridge is our residential example So total project I said 40 dwellings. It's actually been knocked back to 39 since then But just in perspective of those 13 attached units 27 detached single family nine affordable at a hundred percent area median income Highest scoring project ever in the sewer service area outside the growth center that score was a 44.5 So to go to high flyer status a project like Northridge would need to do more To get there than a project like cottonwood You would probably need to see more affordable housing because that's that's a 20-point category in our scoring system You'd need you need to score some or all of those The sustainable transportation component again could help Maybe some even further advanced neighbor neighborhood space facilities the project didn't score exactly full points on that And this is a project that comes with a park lot in the pool and pool house and things like that So they're you know, it's there. It's just there could be more Possibly building More multi-use path segments and again, there is a multi-use path segment that's part of this site that it did receive points for Maybe offering a greater diversity of housing types So there is a diversity of housing types in there, but there's not every housing type under the Sun so We think of the cottonwoods and probably more of the Finney crossing as the most diverse in terms of the span of housing Types everything from a one-bedroom apartment to a you know, a standalone single-family home, so 44.5 under the current system I get a 35.5 under the new proposed criteria and again, it would have to it would have to double that It's almost double that you know to 70 points So you're trying to show us examples that is showing us how high the bar Well, right, so this is these These are as high as we've gotten and we need we would need to go higher But the examples is you're trying to show us just how Great that these projects would have to be desirable Yes to attain this and that's why you'd like to give them this preferential to right right So the last one is we're out of that. I didn't I didn't get that you were wanting to give them preferential treatment You were trying to show them if you misstated that He's trying to give you examples of what the current where they stored where they scored under the current versus what they Would score under the amended and then just how much further they need to go not that Well, no, no, no, that's what I meant I mean, he's trying to show us examples of how far these what were good projects or some of the best How much more they would have to be to give it be given this preferential treatment if indeed they were to do that That's that's that's right. So, you know, none of these would make it on their own today The bar is set higher than any of them have have reached and you know We I think also the Planning Commission to speak for them, you know They want this to be a very high bar, but they do want it to be at least somewhat in reach So, you know, we would love to see some folks at least try to to get there You know on a hundred point scale, we could just say you need to get a hundred points But we start to run into things like not every project Has a path segment that needs to be built not every project has good solar exposure Or for example in the agrural where we're dealing with the Bruce project Which scored very high because it set aside a piece of permanently protected open space Under easement by a third party So not only did they set aside open space, but someone else is keeping high on it other than the town This is this was dedicated through Vermont Land Trust 60-point project under the system as it sits today I get 55 if I apply the enhanced criteria There were no energy efficiency measures So the the two houses that were created the potential for two houses created on this site would have to Be much more efficient and then probably it looked like the other way to add Something to this would be either to do some screening or make one of the two houses perpetually affordable at Probably 100% AMI It's very very hard for a project that creates fewer than say 10 dwelling units to do anything around affordable at all Because there's just not enough market stuff to to subsidize it So, you know again This is a pretty great project This project resulted in you know the permanent protection of 140 acres of land in rural Williston in exchange for allowing a Farmstead plus one more house on it And you know I I can remember in my early times in Williston reviewing a pre-application for this very parcel that placed On each of these two blocks basically one house on each corner of these two blocks and you know would have really broken it up This was a big win for the town Still not a high-flier And so you'd have to see that energy efficiency in generation and some other things for this to get up there So whereas I'm sorry when I looked at this I was a little confused so all of that 77 16 17 and 23 are all conserved Yes, and the riparian buffer the three and the three and four of course in the house goes where in the section called In the section called 14.85 acres excluded There's a home site inside of that. It's it's just one home site It's fairly close up to butternut road, which is the northern boundary of the site and then The the other one it actually contains I believe the existing house It's labeled six acres farmstead complex Part of that is when Vermont Land Trust preserves something like this They want to make sure they're preserving something where there could be a working farm that somebody could live on So there's a dwelling unit that that comes with that So the excluded is where the That's the subdivision if you that was essentially the that was essentially the subdivision lot that was created out of the project Those were the only houses that were going to be built on that just to the two dwelling units Were you done with your yeah, I mean I think you know my takeaway is I'm not sure that that Requiring much more than 70 points would would be feasible And Somebody said at one point to me. Well, what if everybody just comes in with high-flyer projects from now on? So well number number one you'd have a lot of you know, really very good projects But number two, you know, you could revisit this and you could you could decide to you know Move the bar up higher because technology had gotten better It's even even under this change that we're not The high-flyer concept doesn't doesn't ultimately say whether the town is going to Approve the development or not it only says if you if you score this high you can build more units Then what our growth management? Limits are per year. Yes, it doesn't this isn't really creating It's a way to get past the was 80 Pre-year and the competitive cap and and the fact that it only Year which can you know can can be a challenge to myself So yeah, you know growth management is one chapter There are 45 other chapters in the bylaw that have all kinds of rules about Where development can go and what it has to look like and how it gets accessed and Its density and what uses are allowed in and all of those other things are still applicable here. So This is you you do all those things that are required and You do these things that are incentivized in growth management It's really just a way to increase how quickly you can get your development up and running Yeah, whether the development could ever happen in the first place. It's an incentive in a Demanding environment where say lots of other projects had already soaked up a lot of those 80 units per year Or or they were soaked up over a number of years out into the future and your project just wasn't going to be feasible if you had to you know Look at it its path. Maybe you can't start for a couple of years Because your first allocation is is way out in the future. This would be a way to say well Here's a way around us. I would also say, you know People have asked me Many times over the last ten years people who are looking at a piece of land in Williston We go and explain growth management to them and they look at you and they say that's really Restrictive is there any way around that And and in truth there is it nobody has ever taken it But we have a chapter in the bylaw called specific plan Which is essentially you write your own zoning district for your parcel and then you build the project that fits that district and You could somebody has asked us in the past well if I wrote a specific plan Could I write my district out of growth management and the answer is yeah, you could the select board would have to approve it it's a legislative act and It would be this sort of one-by-one Sort of thing of judging the public benefit of that development against the impacts of changing the zoning This is kind of a way of getting ahead of that and saying no We know what we want out of residential development That's so so good that we'll let it not compete at growth management and and here it is so it's a way of making a statement instead now instead of Having a dialogue with somebody So I could repeat what I just heard very interesting concept so because it's before us in your analysis here in first of all Thank you. This is a very nice job very helpful But picking on the cottonwood crossing project. They could come in and say we would like to pursue a specific plan Just for our subdivision Here's the benefits You know town would you be willing to approve that? Through the specific prying process Okay, very and so that what I just stated was correct. Yes And not at all a zoning district bigger than cottonwood crossing but cottonwood crossing itself Yep, you could write a essentially a special zoning district. This is done all the time in lots of places there When I worked in Missoula, there were 56 special zoning districts in the city, you know Swiss cheese and Doing it that way comes with a lot of challenges It's a lot harder to maintain focus on your comprehensive plan goals. You're you're dealing with sort of this demand-based system I would really view Something like these amendments to growth management as a way of getting ahead of that and getting to say what you want Long before the project is there Sort of trying to negotiate with you Just feel I would be remiss without pointing this out again if you will The liability there's all the benefits to this and I don't get me wrong. I'm not This comment is not a statement against my recognizing that but what could happen is if a Finney cottonwood crossing were to go through this score 71 points We could see 173 plus the 80 being able to go forward in a single year Could see that theoretically Thank you theoretically I would I would say that the decision to to offer something like this in growth management by the Planning Commission in part was based on Looking at the map of the growth center and realizing that there are no more parcels like cottonwood in Existence in the growth center nor are there any like Finney Not none that are that large that flat that unconstrained You know so so that's a piece of that is understanding. What's the what's the remaining capacity of the town? What's the build out if you will have potential high flyers, you know that we've had that we've had two very high scoring projects in the growth center is good We we step over into the RCD which which is you know no slouch This is another place the town's planning for growth, right? We serve it with sewer We allow three units per acre and our highest scoring project is is quite a bit lower than the bar for a high-flyer today And there's only so many parcels left There are quite a few but there's only so many left And I think there's an element of if if the town can encourage Those remaining parcels to really fulfill the goals of the comprehensive plan via mechanism like this. It's worth it's worth trying There's nothing that could happen that could affect the services or you know town services adversely that we couldn't catch up to Well, so the first part is you can do all of this that you want in the context of growth management you still have to have the sewer capacity to sell and You know I if this were to pass when I when I come to the board in a little while With attachment a I would probably be Recommending that if you adopt a high flyer that you set aside some sewer capacity to support it We could come up with a number for that only for high flyer So only for high flyer just like you've done in the past for solely for affordable or or solely for you know job creation that kind of thing and And there's an element there of what we can only run as fast as that very real limit Allows us to run. I think in terms of some of the other services, you know We think about transportation emergency services ability to do all those things This plays in with the rest of the comp plan and bylaw that focuses growth and development into a very limited area That's very well connected with transportation infrastructure. That's arguably Less expensive and easier to serve than if we were sort of sprawling all over all over town and so You the ability to serve this kind of growth is better because of where it is proposed to happen My question is on the the when you say project at the beginning in the 75% power generation or the four days Is project a house or is project a? Cottonwood crossing So I or is it the allocation that somebody's asking for like five houses or what what is it would mean It would be So in the case of a cottonwood where it's a mixed-use project. There's there's residential and commercial going on It's the whole project. So you would look for 75% power generation for that whole, right? I mean you're you're talking about probably solar on every rooftop you can get it on maybe some canopies over parking lots Maybe in concert with some of that storage element. I think it I think it would be You know a stretch Four days of power Yeah storage for the whole thing. Yeah, so There are other elements in growth management. I would draw the parallel to things like, you know providing neighborhood space providing Certain design elements where You're incentivizing growth management, which is all about how many dwellings you can build But when you have a mixed-use project, you can sort of look at well There's a green over here and it's got some commercial buildings on it But it also is useful for the people who live there. In fact, it's better if everybody's using it That attribute can be counted toward the scoring for the residential allocation It might also be a required element for the commercial side under our design criteria But we would look at the project as everything that's happening on that parcel So the question tonight is shall we adopt the proposed amendments to chapter 11 and chapter 36 Are you ready to make a motion for that effect move to adopt the amendments to the wills and if I Discussion of the motion Just quickly. I'm a little nervous About these changes. Maybe it's because I'm so used to I mean I bet I remember back to when we first put in the 80 units per year and being What how many so maybe I'm just I'm Tied to the past but every concern I've raised Matt's had a good answer for and So when that's the case, I don't see how I can't support it So Matt, I had a bunch of questions on because I wasn't here. I was on the fifth. I was on in Florida So can I I guess I can abstain can I abstain from the vote then of course you can close abstain If there's no further discussion then all those in favor of the motion say aye aye They opposed and what abstention? Not that I don't agree. I like what I heard But there are a bunch of questions from the the original stuff you went over on the fifth I think sure you may want to watch the Broadcast that we had two weeks ago. We had a lot of discussion. Okay may answer your question So as before we go on to the two Things that we need to do in an executive session. Is there any other business before we yes, sir Yeah, I didn't remind everybody about 36 this time Good question. Thank you. So was there any other business we need to take care of tonight Town meeting is the fourth and although the select board is expected to be there for to be introduced and listen to the discussion and Obviously our next Select board me will be on March 19 The select board is expected to be that oh, yes, of course at Tom meeting. Yes So if there's no other business to be brought forward then I presume the grievance is grievance is here for Yep, I'm gonna let the person know to come over So in that case we need to Have a motion to go into executive session There's one suggested I've moved to find the print while I'd move that we go into executive session to hear grievance Hold a grievance hearing move Find premature public knowledge regarding the employee grievance would place the employee at a substantial disadvantage and further move to enter into executive session under provisions of One VSA 313 a1d to hear the employee grievance to invite mr. McWire mr. Wells and the Employee It's very discussion on the motion just a point of order there were also going to be doing an evaluation Yes Not mean that if we don't make a good motion at the same time that we'll have to come out of executive session and then go back into Executive session I was toying with the with the idea of having two motion the two exacting session motions together So we don't have to come out of executive session and At light, then I'd move to enter into executive session under One VSA section 313 for an evaluation of a public Discussion in motion all those in the paper of the motion say aye