 Thanks for joining us at ITU's Headquarters for WSIS Forum 2019 where we are joined by Professor François Guerret of the University of Geneva. Professor, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Now, you direct an education program called the Geneva Qingwan Initiative. What can you tell us about it? So this initiative was set up three years ago just after the SDGs were announced, the Sustainable Development Goals. And so it's a comprehensive education program for the SDGs to train a young generation to tackle the difficult problems of sustainable development on this planet over the next 15 years. So it's problem-solving skills, isn't it, to address some of the world's biggest issues? Absolutely. The kind of education we give, of course there's some of it which is more traditional classroom, but we really insist that the students, at least half of their time should be spent in a space where there are solving projects in teams working closely with mentors from the international organizations here in Geneva who have real field experience, who know what the problems are. And you were here at the voices forum 2019 with some of your students, and there was this very popular display involving VR. And it was all about VR, to help people understand the world's biggest problems a bit better. What can you tell us about it? Right, so virtual reality is one of these up-and-coming technologies that we think everybody will have soon, or you know, a very large proportion of people, especially in the developing world, will be using all the time. And the idea was to explore with our researchers who are studying the impact of VR, the psychological impact of it, what it could do to help people understand what the future of the planet might look like under different scenarios of development. So if we don't do enough to tackle climate change, we all know that's bad news. But what would it feel like in a VR system to look around and see your world in 2050, your grandchild talking to you about, you know, why are the birds dead and so on. So it's really a gut feeling that we're trying to generate through this VR demo. And it's been here all week and we've had a lot of very positive feedback about this notion of looking into the future through VR to understand the SDGs. And there was also a session focusing on refugee camps. And I think the name of the program is INZONE. And it's all about offering tertiary education to youth and young people who spend for some of their most of their lives in camps. Exactly. So our university in collaboration with many other institutions is very interested to bring tertiary education into refugee camps because at the moment the legal status of people in the camps is they should have access to primary and secondary education. But there's a blank when it comes to tertiary. So INZONE is essentially like a container full of tools to help young people get that education online. So it's e-learning brought to these kind of extreme conditions, which unfortunately, although extreme, are going to be the life and livelihoods of many young people for many years to come. And let's talk about this very interesting space. You've got just across the road from ITU's headquarters and it's an SDG space. What does that mean exactly? Right, we call it the SDG solution space. And we wanted to emphasize that it's about finding solutions. So it's a maker space in modern parlance, but maker means you build things, gadgets and so on. We wanted to get away from what I would say is a techno solutionist view of the world. Technology isn't always the solution. Sometimes it's the problem. So we want our students to work on solutions with this close mentorship with the international organizations. Sometimes the solution is a policy change. Sometimes it's a campaign to raise awareness about an issue. And so our students are working on these solutions with people from the public in Geneva and from the international community. So it's a very open space. And we think that's very attractive. And we see in the evenings, on weekends, lots of activity there. Lots of young and not so young people from the international organizations, ITU, WTO, WHO, they're all around our block. So they now come in and hang out with us. And that's the kind of solution-based learning we want our students to have. Fantastic. Professor François Ray, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.