 Who is threatened by a fairytale? You know, how many of us would like run from the books when they opened up the fairytale books? Now we were like, tell me a story, give me a bedtime story. I don't buy that. Ha ha ha. Yeah, until, I mean once you start to get the essence of a fairytale, it's like, what has it got to tell me and what has it got to teach me, but it's not like, not like a potential threat. Of course if you grew up with Grimm's fairytales, it might be a different story. Still. It depends like what your imagination is. Yeah. Can you see the word as you just say, like just everything is single and that, like the script is all written. So even like the moment that you were awakened it's written. So you don't have to do anything for me. If you just do that, like you don't have to change your life, or like just changing the way you see things, you see that. Because everything is written. So you will arrive to that point where it will happen. Can I say something? It's just depending on your happiness. If you are just following, like doing things that make you be joyful and... I just had a thought of that because I've been thinking about it and I talked to somebody about it too. It is like I see, like, there is no time. It just seems as if we are getting closer to the Spirit or to God all the time. It just seems that way. You know? In the moment when, I guess in the moment when we are awakened, we will understand it that there was no time and nothing happened. But in the meantime, it seems like we are getting closer. And it feels good. You know? Can you understand me? No, I don't think about it. I don't have the impression that we don't know about this. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. Because you are saying we don't need to do anything, but we need to do something. Because it seems like we are coming closer. We are like cutting small pieces of the blockage to the awareness of love. And that feels good. If we didn't do that, just focus on everything else, we wouldn't feel good. But it doesn't happen in time. I can't explain it better. But that means you believe that you are not already awakened. Yes. Well, which in theory everyone is anyway. Because time is all at the same time. Yes. I don't understand all that. In the Star Trek, I think, get it over very well is what you thought. But I keep coming back. Who is the dreamer of the dreamer? There always seems to be somebody that's dreaming it. That's what puzzles me. I can say, OK, so I made up all my life story. I've broken within what my life story is going to be. But who is that I that's in there that is doing it, dreaming it? Well, it's wonderful in a sense that there's one part. Jesus has all these different names. He gives it and he calls it happy dream, real world, true perception. He's got so many different names for that state. Dreamer of the dream. He even comes out and says, you are the dreamer of the dream. And no other cause does it have or ever will. It's just like, boom. He's saying, you, that's you. We're not talking about the Christ you or the one with God you because God's not dreaming. And Christ is not dreaming, really. Heaven and eternity don't have anything to do with the dream. But this is, his whole course is aimed at one thing, which is that you are the dreamer of the world of dreams and no other cause does it have or ever will. He actually comes out at one point and he says that the function of God's teachers is awareness of dreaming. Now he's equated awareness of dreaming with the happy dream, with the highest state you can reach. And isn't that what I just said? If you were aware that you were dreaming, in psychology they call it lucid dreaming. It's great. Has anybody had a lucid dream? Isn't it fun? It's very empowering. Like monsters, nuclear weapons, anything in there. Yeah, it's just cool. When you're having a lucid dream, it's very empowering. And that's what Jesus is saying, that just staying with that one thing, I think that's really, ultimately what Armel is pointing at. If you just stay with the awareness of dreaming, you got it. In fact, that's the max. If you've rang the bell and you ding, you just hit the bell at the carnival, you know. So, if you are depressed, whatever you can do, I mean, if you just follow your heart and just make things that are joyful for you, it's the point. I mean, that's it. Stay aware. Just stay aware of the dreaming. In other words, you can see where the struggle comes in. If you go through these experiences and you think, okay, there was my life in Belgium, but now I just went through this marriage experience and I'm here on an island in the Mediterranean, now with a group of people, a lot of them that I've just met, and da-da-da-da-da. If you can just get to the point like, okay, I'm dreaming. And that's what I'm dreaming. And this is what I'm dreaming now or seem to be dreaming now. You can just stay with that in a state of trust that this is good, this works. That's wonderful. It's when you bring in the first thought of the future, where will I go? Will I stay married to Eric? What will I do? How will I act and interact? Of course, the world is saying, that's the practical thing to do. Be a dreamer. You know, they tell us, don't just be a dreamer, you've got to be practical. But everything in the world that involves specifics and future and past is actually impractical. And to stay in the awareness of dreaming is the most practical thing. Because then you're saying, oh, it's just symbolic. You're not poison. That's the closest approximation this world offers. I would say light experiences, revelatory experiences are even closer expressions of the now. But in terms of what we're talking about with the world, to be able to see it as symbolic. So I've used many examples, but sometimes people will come to me and they'll say, okay, what are we going to do about this, this, this and this and this? And now it's like usually I just kind of throw it back and say, well, what do you feel? What do you feel? One of the things that just happened was they're working on this monastery out in Utah and they're adding on bathrooms to this one house and they just sent me the floor plan, the blueprints for the bathrooms. And one had a little commode and a little sink and a little shower. And then the other one had a little commode and a sink and a bathtub. They just sent it out to all the messengers and Helena said, great. Like the tub. Jenny said, like the tub. Jason said, like the tub. Virsten said, like the tub. You know, everybody was like, thumbs up. I've no investment, you know. It's a tub, two tubs, two showers or whatever. But it's just like, it's just like you're aware that it's a dream. And these tubs and these showers and these blueprints are just part of the fairy tale. You know, it's not like such a big deal of do you actually, you know, is there an actual monastery with an actual, you know, main house in this facility. You start to just see everything as symbolic. And then when you do that, then it's always, what's the point? The point is to stay aware of the dreaming. That's the point. You're safe when you're aware of the dreaming. When you forget, then you're into Simone. You know, how that all just got blown out of proportion. Millions of people swaying and painting their chests with Simone and all the bizarre thing. Or coming to a spiritual treat and watching people hit each other. You know, if it's real in any kind of aspect, then it's absolutely bizarre. As we can see in the movie, that just was bizarre how that played out. All on a false construct. And then you couldn't even stop it.