 Hello everyone and welcome back to for the minions episode 22 the weekly show where we talk about these spiritual successors to Paragon this week We're gonna be talking about the news and updates as always not a lot not a lot for the news and updates But then we'll get into the poll results then we have tech time this time without rubah It's just gonna be with me. We're gonna be talking about skin color variations Then the topic for discussion this week will be things from other games that we would like to see brought into Paragon I am your host man goose joining me this week. I should say as always, but she wasn't with us last week It's Mandy Mal how you doing Mandy? I'm doing much better now. Thank you. Yeah Yes, you're over the diarrhea You know, I'm glad I'm here to defend myself because you're a dirty dirty liar How dare you lie about a woman who was on her deathbed? I was Bravely ill, so I hope you're proud of yourself very very proud of myself. Yes, why don't you introduce our guest host Mandy? Today I am so excited to introduce our guest host because we have a very loyal fan of the show I you're a fan, right? That's safe. Oh Well, thank you so much for joining us Otto. How are you? Oh, I'm very honored to be here with non-shitter and by she peel No, it's honestly, it's great to finally be able to get on the show. It's Basically, probably one of the better things that's gonna happen to me this year. So oh Well, we're so excited to have you because you're always there. You're always supporting us So it's really really cool, especially I think for you to be on the show and get to kind of share in the cool Experience. I hope the best thing to happen to you this year is that Paragon comes back my friend. Yeah, that would top this I'm not even gonna lie. All right. So oh no, who was your favorite hero in a Paragon? Well as it happens it is sparrow You and Mandy matching up What was it about sparrow that you enjoyed so much Originally the I started off playing League of Legends So I played ash initially so when I came over to Paragon One of the first things I looked for was a hero with a bow and it happened to be sparrow and It's after that. I just kind of Fall in love with the way she was. Yeah, right on. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly I mean, I didn't come from a League of Legends background But I just saw cool chick with a bow and I was like, I'm in So let's let's get into the news and updates for this week like I said very quiet this week In fact the biggest news and updates we had kind of a change of pace this time was from visionary games and Phoenix rising Oh, I'm quite the juxtaposition there They they hired themselves a new artist and I'll link his his portfolio. He linked it in the discord So I'm sure it's fun to link here. You can check out some of the work. He's done Pretty cool stuff. He did like the low poly hero. He did nuke looked really cool I'd like to see a high poly version of her you guys got a got a chance to check that out Yeah, I I did it was really cool. They're not only nuke, but there was this really cool I can't remember the name. I think it was like Q4 or something or other But it was like a robot looking thing with a drill hand and I was like, oh, I can totally see that running around In a Gora like I was like put that in put that in Paragon now Like it looked really really cool. Yeah, I like the little go thing that was uncolored with the big ol horns and Like the big shnow, I don't remember what it was But it just looked amazing even though it was uncolored, but it was just the one of those things We're like I've seen that running towards me. I'm I'm gonna go dig a hole So cool stuff like it like I always say with visionary Phoenix rising You know, they have the liberty to think outside the box outside of the Paragon hero box That is and they they they're able to take full advantage of that and I want to see them do so So it's gonna be cool stuff cool stuff for visionary glad to see a glad to see a little news from them, too I'm working up a lot of people thought they always think they're they they're done. They died back in November They did not they've just been very quiet Yeah, they're plugging along another thing that I thought was interesting about the artist His style seemed to mesh well with what they've already got going on So I think they made a really good choice there I'm sure obviously that was part of their choice But it just was like I could see this already kind of like going with the characters. They've already showed us As far as other news a theory gave us a little teaser and a little image of a Grodnark So I'll link that in the I think I'll put it in the discourse you guys can take a look at that if you want and So not a lot from them either, but at least we got us a little little teaser teaser teaser and then um Let's just let's just go through talk a little bit about made above We still don't have anything on made above as far as the closed alpha They've been very quiet since then. I know they're I know they're working hard every time you talk to them They know they say that you know, they're plugging away They're trying to get to a spot or they can release a little more information, but um Oda, what do you think of made above? I? Think they're doing a good job. I like where they're going with it I like this like the style It's looking like it's gonna turn out once they get to the point where they can release it It's gonna be very competitive with any of the other games that come out So I'm really excited for that about the good or I think get to where they can do the Early access. Yeah, people are people are feeding for it. What do you think Bandy? Yeah, same. I'm really really excited to get my hands on it. So I just can't wait I know that you know them being quiet is a good sign It means they've got their you know Nose to the grindstone and they're working hard. So I don't mind I don't mind them taking a little bit of time to to get everything perfect get everything right And and get us into that that alpha as soon as they can I can't wait. Yep Little bit of news for made above Opel is prime who was on the show that are out their VP. He hosted the show. I think it was 19 So 19 was it? I don't know. I don't remember somewhere rather 17 19 I don't know but anyway He hosted the show with us and he's uh, he entered some tattoos in attempt to tattoo competition I don't know if you guys knew this but uh a popular opales prime is a tattoo artist So I'll link that if you guys want to go check that out and then um For a made of studios again Nothing out of them really they're just still working on their hero kits trying to get the alpha back on line I mean we got to play it just for a little bit there Somebody in the comments I forgot to look up their name, but they made a pretty good comparison They were talking about the comparison between made above and uh, I know made of studios right now It's kind of like if both of them were showing us a website And made above has shown us a really pretty website with all kinds of cool features and tools and buttons But none of those buttons work they haven't showed us that any of those buttons work really Whereas I made a studios their website probably it isn't quite as flashy And it doesn't work really well, but it does work like if you click on the the made of studios button You know something happens it takes you somewhere. So um, I thought that was a pretty cool analogy. What do you guys think? I think that's a great analogy. Uh, I mean, I don't mean that to like sound shady or anything towards meta buff I'm sure they've got all their ducks in a row, but oh look at me. I'm like window with my with my analogies But um, yeah, I think I think that's a really good way to to put it Yeah, and I can't really just agree that it's kind of the way it's looking it's It's one of those things where it's like, do you want function or do you want it to look pretty? Which one's more important at that point? True. I think they both look good. I think uh made above just hasn't and I'm not saying that made about It's not gonna ever show us anything. I'm just saying that right right now Mata has shown us a bit more than made above But I'm still very excited to see some some actual gameplay out of made above Excited to see some good gameplay out of ethereal as well. Um, I want to see I really think they're going to there's something big brewing over there And I'm hoping I'm hoping it comes out this month and we get to take a look at it. But uh That would be cool. Um, the ethereal I find very exciting probably probably the most exciting out of all the games because I'm a sucker for new stuff, but Okay, let's uh roll right into the poll results for this week. Uh Last week we had core at 66 predecessor at seven ethereal at seven phoenix rising at two and all of the above at 19 This week, uh, we had core at 68 predecessor at six ethereal at eight phoenix rising at two all of the above at 17 So not that big of a swing just like last time. It's it's kind of it's kind of staying steady right now And uh, that's understandable. There's not a lot of news coming out for any of these games. So Of course, you know the excitement levels for each game aren't going to really fluctuate that much It looks like core went up just a little bit more and uh processor went down a little bit ethereal went up a little bit, but Really no big deal. No no no huge fluctuation in the poll result numbers Um So that's it for the poll results. Let's head on into tech time. Unfortunately, it's not tech time with rubah You have to deal with uh one of my tech times But uh, we're going to be talking about something that you guys have been asked about quite a bit Which is being able to change certain aspects of a skin like having your Cloak be different than the rest of your skin or having your boots a different color than your pants or that sort of thing So i'm going to show you guys, you know, what How that works within the unreal engine and how how they can do that. So uh, let's head on into tech time On this week's tech time We'll go over the feasibility of some skin customization One of the ideas i've seen quite a few times now involves people wanting to be able to customize individual articles of clothing As you can see here, i've been messing around with aurora and doing color changes to various layers of clothing is indeed possible Let's run through the specifics to give you guys an idea of how it can be implemented Let's load up the heavy armor lieutenant bellica skin As luck before me pointed out the skin makes her look a bit like sheamus from metroid Let's try to change the overall color scheme of this skin first before we do any individual changes To do that i'm going to go into our materials folder where all the shaders are kept for the mesh I can click on this layers folder and that will give me access to her overall color palette Now in this new window i'm able to edit several aspects of the skin's appearance Let's change the color to something noticeable like pink Save that so it applies in the engine and there we go pink heavy armor bellica But the question was how about being able to go one step further and customize individual articles of clothing Doing that ended up being much easier than i thought We have several materials to choose from here for bellica each one is named for what part of her body it applies to Let's select her upper body and see if we can make her top a little different color than her bottom Now we have several different options for colors I'm going to pick some stuff that contrasts quite a bit so we can see if there's any noticeable difference And there we go now her top armor is different than the rest of her stuffs So it is possible to do individual color customization for skins I'm sure actually implementing this into the game as an option will be far more difficult than what i just did They'll have to have multiple options for each material layer for each skin that you can cycle through Definitely not what they need to be focusing on at this point in the development cycle But it's something that we can maybe look forward to The next step in this process is changing the textures and seeing if you can mix and match different parts of different like t3 skins That however is well beyond my skill set and something i'll need to ask rubo about Before we go i want to show you a skin i made in honor of my friend sock app Sock works at a sewage treatment plant and sometimes streams from the turd factory he works at so i made a poo facebellica for him Now he doesn't actually get covered in poo, but i thought this was funny. Anyway back to the show So i hope you guys enjoyed tech time now Let's get into the topic for discussion this week the topic for discussion is features from other games You would like to see in paragon just anything from any other moba or any any other game whatsoever That you'd like to see brought into the uh to one of these spiritual successors for Paragon uh oda you're the guest won't we start with you? What do you got for us, man? Uh, i personally like i said i would i love to see a leaderboard For each of the different types of heroes because i'm very competitive. I like to see who is at the top I like to be able to see what they're doing and see where i can improve So that's something i would like to see it's a leaderboard. I don't know with it being a mobile. I don't know exactly how they'd implement it but I think there'd be a really cool feature to have Yeah, especially if they yeah Especially if they had like their suggested builds along with it like The build that they normally use so you could kind of tailor your build off of whoever the top The top is that i think the danger with doing that though is A lot of times when people are at the top of these leaderboards is because they're queuing as a team with other people And what works in a team doesn't always work when you're whenever you're solo queuing So if you're solo queuing, you know take it with a great assault um I know When i was playing adc I would always pick a ward when i was so solo queuing because i never knew if other people were going to take a ward But if i was with a team i would know i would know for a fact that my support was going to be taking a ward So i i would just take more damage in the in the early game But yeah, that's a that's a great suggestion oda. Um, i think core plans to have All kinds of different leaderboards. Um I know that they played to have a team leaderboard and um with some special Things that you can unlock like different icons for your team and that sort of thing. What do you guys think about that? Yeah, I think core is definitely uh hoping to make a name for themselves in the esports thing I could be you know making wild accusations here, but it just kind of seems like they've laid out plans for um for there to be options At least in the future. Um once it's a you know, nice viable game and it's got a good player group going You know, they've even talked about um, like you were mentioning Having rewards for teams and top teams get maybe um a certain I don't I don't remember what they said. I don't want to put words in their mouths But um, definitely seems like a leaderboard. It wouldn't be out of the question for a game like core You ever thought about joining like a like a pro team or anything oda Actually when I tried joining pro teams as as early as I think version point three for paragon Oh, wow it's just I was having because I was having issues with my playstation and Uh, I was going through rena center for my first one I ended up getting behind on bills and right when I had my first chance. I kind of Lost the system. Oh, that sucks And then after I came back I had to rebuild my skills because it was probably two months after that and I kept trying teams here and there. I tried to form my own a couple of times But there wasn't really any good synergy with them. So they just kind of fell apart So there's something I definitely tried to do um I almost had And the fact that you couldn't have people from because I played with at that time three or four different people from Britain and I had one or two other people I played with over in the u.s So when they had the split where you had to be either in the u.s Or from the eu it was kind of like Well, there goes everything I had. Yeah, that would make it difficult Well, you played carry though. I got a carry spot open my team that I've been making up Just now that I just now decided Well, I would be honored to accept the position Manny, uh, what do you got what you got for us? Well, the main thing I thought of that something I would like to see is voice chat and that's for obvious reasons It's just it makes Makes the game a lot better Strategically, it's it's easier to communicate with your team. So that was that was the only thing I could think of that I personally Would want to see I did I thought of a couple other features that I was like on the fence about And I wanted to bring them up to you guys and see what your Thoughts are And one I have two One is like being able to hide in the the bushes or or the the fauna of the jungle and stuff like that like I think in mobile legends you can do that and There was oh it's a little I always forget the name of this mobile But it's on switch that I play that you can do that So I didn't know what you guys thought about that or is that kind of similar to like shadow wells and fog walls and things Like that is it kind of Yeah, the ability to hide in bushes is pretty much a staple in every MOBA ever made It just wasn't in paragon and uh, yeah, that's what they kind of replaced it with was shadow walls and shadow wells And that was kind of the the three-dimensional aspect of paragon is why they had to go that route I don't know why they couldn't just make the shadow wells look like bushes and then you could run into them I think that would be fun. It would be People would know what the purpose of the bushes were since it's, you know More of a staple across all MOBAs. Oh, what do you think? Uh, I think there there wasn't too much of that on monolith I mean on legacy where there was big enough bushes, but I know on monolith. There was a couple of spots where they're Slightly big enough that if the other player really wasn't paying attention You could hide in there and they'd run right past you. It wasn't like perfect or anything But it would kind of sort of hide you a little bit X I know league has the same thing you can they got them all along the outside lane You can go stand in there disappear for a few seconds or hour long you need to So what was what was your other one mandy? Uh, the other one this was actually, um, louis says my husband's suggestion So if you hate it, it's his fault. If you love it, it was mine. I just want to make that clear You know, he had we were getting in a conversation about core regeneration So if you make damage to the core, but then, you know, the the other team is able to hold you off a little bit longer Should the core Have the ability to regenerate I said I didn't like I didn't necessarily like that because it would just drag out a game infinitely And it would just kind of suck to Work hard and get some damage done and then just because you know, they maybe were able to rally for a little bit They hold off the inevitable so to speak. So so I personally don't think I want to see that implemented But what I wanted to see what you guys thought I think a lot of people would have the same have the same because it's kind of like the same thing where the Inhib would respawn, right? I think it was after they got rid of orb dunking Or after a certain amount of time there was amic or respawn and then I know a lot of people were complaining because That would extend the game another 10 15 minutes. So Right, I personally don't like the idea of the core respawning health but that's because My second mastery was murdoch and if I died I wait to respawn 3% done game over snipe the core Uh, I think it would be It would kind of add a tool that they could adjust um game times with Like it could be a nice balance tool like How much health the core generates if there is health regeneration of the core could help them with balancing game times Like if games are going too fast, they can increase the health regen on the core if they're going too long They could decrease how much the the core generates health. So from that aspect. I kind of like it. Um If they have respawning inhibitors then no way hosie. I do not like it at all. Um I don't like respawning inhibitors period But if they have inhibitors to respawn they they most certainly should not have the core regenerate health Right. Yeah, that's way too much good suggestions though Thanks. Good job, louis Now the the idea I had um Of course, I'm always pulling stuff out of uh hears of the storm I know that's kind of like it's a baby mobile for babies, but they have a lot of great Really weird unique ideas in that game. Um The thing one of the things I like about hears of the storm is instead of jungle camps They have mercenary camps and whenever you take a mercenary camp Like if you kill a jungle camp that mercenary camp joins your minion wave it helps push the wave I think that would be a cool thing to have in paragon is camps that you can Take over and once you take them those minions go off and And it's usually minions that do special things like you have siege minion like a siege minion camp or like, um You know a really like a buff like super minion camp that you could have and um The reason that affects things so much is well the reason it works so well And hears of the storm at least is because everything is very objective based in that game So it's always it behooves you if something's happening at the top of the map as far as the objective Objective goes it behooves you to take those minions at the bottom of the map That forces the enemy team to have to leave somebody back to the deal with that minion camp That's that's pushing into their lanes and they're down one person for the team fight at the objective I think that could be done in paragon as well whenever or prime Begins to spawn you could take a couple mercenary camps time your mercenary camps to be to be taken then So the enemy team is well away from that or prime and you can go take it while they're dealing with that mercenary camp Um kind of a weird idea. I don't know. What do you guys think of that? Otto go right ahead Um Uh I think it would be interesting, but at the same time. I don't know Oh, this one's difficult. It sounds like it would be a really good idea Or at the same time. I don't know It's one of those things for because with the way this is i'm trying to think about it from like Through all the skill levels. There's going to be certain people who no matter what from like the The people are just starting out to probably mid tier who will see that and go Okay, that's over there, but everyone else is over here So let's just ignore that for now Try to wipe the team all over here and just complete to ignore that and forget about it Which it's Actually, it's one of those things for it. I don't know it's I I don't think it would work in paragon mainly because In paragon the jungle camps are there to for the jungler to farm And it works and here's the storm because they have shared experience So you don't have to worry about gold gain So I think it would screw up gold gain for the junglers if you did something like that so it would have to be A special one-off sort of thing and uh, there's probably enough going on without it I just thought it was a cool idea and it would be fun to see it but I think it would be a little too hard for them to implement and uh Maintain the balance of the economy gain amongst the junglers It would suck if you just couldn't take a camp because you didn't you know, it wasn't the right time to do it Yeah, maybe it's like the first time you kill or prime you just see this big hulking thing walking towards one of the One of the towers you're like Which is worse this thing we have to kill or the rest of the team. I don't know Wouldn't that be fun I said just have it says like the first time it gets killed that way you don't have to worry about it every time I think it's just gonna be all our objectives are unimportant at this point. It's just whoever kills this first is gonna win That would be crazy So I think that's it for the topic for discussion Uh, let's move into suggestions This has been suggested by the community a lot which is travel mode And I kind of wanted to tie this in because I was talking to ethereal I haven't heard them say anything about mounts in a while because they had said that they had planned to have Mounts and I just reconfirmed within this week. They still plan to have mounts in that game so that's going to be their version of travel mode and um Yeah, everybody wants to see travel mode come back and oh, I know you played back when travel mode was a thing What do you think man? Yes? I loved travel mode, but let me preface this. I did not like the second version of travel mode I like the one where you could control it Which they never explained it because they never had a tutorial for it So it took me a week and a half to figure it out But after After I did figure it out it made The travel mode actually part of the gameplay that was important. If you knew someone like uh, I don't think chimera was just yet out when I started playing But if like grucks or someone was coming up on you and you either heard them or you seen them Up on the little table top they had you could hit the travel mode And it took like a second and a half or two seconds to activate and get back under your tower So personally, I liked the original travel mode. I did not like the one where you had to wait that one was just bad And I didn't like um the thing I didn't like about travel mode was that you were slowed once you If you got hit while you were in travel mode Um most other games that have a travel mode aspect. It's usually like There's no route or slow involved with getting hit out of travel mode once you get hit You're just back to normal speed. You're no longer moving faster. So Yeah, you're kind of slowed in that you're no longer in travel mode And um, that's what led to the leapfrogging and the major problems with travel mode was You know being able to just stay ahead of someone and keep rooting them and Travel mode they they they fucked that up. It was such a great thing to have and so much fun And the animations were great, especially the animation just like flying around through the jungle and stuff, but uh, Oh, man, I'm sorry. I missed that. Yeah, you should be I think the only one I didn't really like too much was murielus because she just kind of like hovered there It's like she has these three wings make them do something interesting Yeah, right I was like she she could have such she could have had such a beautiful animation for that and they just went with They're up and going And like we've said before it doesn't make sense for like Sparrow to walk around with an arrow drawn the entire batch Which wind blasts holding his guns up the entire time So for the mounts in ethereal, um, are they gonna work kind of like The only game I can think of every time uh mounts are Talked about because I don't have other moba experience Um, is it gonna be like kind of in paladins where you just ride your horse or your mount? Um to Like us, you know get to the action faster. Basically. Is that you know what okay cool So and that's basically what travel mode was it was instead of a mount though your actual hero just moved faster Yeah, pretty much Okay, cool because like I said, I didn't get to experience that so I didn't know Exactly what it was or how it worked how it was implemented should be an extra button that you press and there's usually a like Like I don't say in a wind up time like a A cast time if you will before you actually melt up or enter travel mode And then I you take off and it's awesome I think I think mounts would be even cooler Yeah, especially if there's a monkey I'm a little bit biased on that but the things I want in there. I know they can't get because they're all gonna be Uh Copyrighted and all that other legal stuff. Yeah, because I'm a huge star wars fan. I know a lot of people I knew you were gonna say that And I know a lot of people are gonna hate me for saying this. I am a big fan of episode one I believe the only reason a lot of people on that the only reason But the main reason was the cg y people didn't like it They were trying to do what star wars always has an improve on something and ultimately didn't work very well But I love the pod racing scenes. Mm-hmm. Those are by far my favorite. I would love to see a pod racing That would be cool. That would be cool. I have to say that'd be pretty cool That that would be amazing for me if I see a pod racer. I'm I'm going somewhere. I'm stealing someone's money and I'm buying it. I'll go feed up some homeless person. I want a pod All right guys in the comments. I want more mount ideas this time and on the comments if you got a cool mount idea Let me know what it is If you can tie it in with a certain hero like a certain paragon hero or an ethereal hero or A phoenix rising master, whatever if you could tie it in somehow that that would be even better That'd be even better So, uh, let's move on to the community builder this week and uh, we I've already featured shark but I'm gonna feature shark again because I kind of oh shark shark found uh Two people actually that were taking my videos and just straight reposting them like Not even taking my logo out or anything And I never would have I'd never would have noticed that shit and then shark was like Hey, man, did you give this guy permission to just straight use your video? So shout out to shark and uh, yeah, he's still been putting out his uh his paragon cinematic air edits So check those out. Shark's uh, shark's a fun guy. And um, yeah, so shout out the shark Good on you shark Now let's move on to plugs. Oh, no, you got anything you want to plug. I know you have a youtube channel Ah, yes, I do have a youtube. Um, I do stream on twitch occasionally I'm trying to get My computer set up so I can start going on D live as well. I already have an account but there's nothing up And twitter All of them under the same name. So if you can see it on here somewhere ish, maybe it's the same for everything okay Right on many got anything uh, you've been streaming a lot lately. You've been streaming your butt off I've been streaming. It's so much fun. Um, and I appreciate everybody who's been coming out and saying hello But yeah, I've been streaming. Um, I'm probably going to not stream as much on youtube I'm gonna stream more on twitch just because I seem to be having issues on youtube I'm not sure if that's in my settings or what but um, if uh, mongoose would be so kind as to link my twitch, uh in the description and And then that was a good idea for otto to plug his twitter I have an instagram if anybody wants to follow that you can see mediocre pictures of gaming Uh I got my new show that seems there was a lot more popular than I thought it would be The goose den is where I keep I bring on like a three or four subs to just come in and Shoot the shit and talk about whatever they want to talk about. So uh, you want to look out for that I'm trying to do a new episode pretty soon. I'm trying to make it eu friendly times, but uh Oh, I've been swamped with work and I just got hit hard with a bunch more work So yeah, it might be a little bit before I get the next episode out But hopefully I will and uh, if you guys want to want to be a part of that, you know, just Join my discord and hit me up and uh, I'll see if I can get you in I've got I've already got a long list of people that are waiting to to be part of the show So I think that is going to be it for this week's for the man Sorry, we didn't have that much news and updates this time But we had a lot of fun anyway and had some interesting conversation And hopefully that's what you guys are coming here for And if you stayed this long, I appreciate you coming and hanging out with us This is about to be the end of the premiere. So uh, goodbye everyone I should be saying goodbye in the chat right now. I'll do that future mongus and say goodbye to everybody So for the for the millions crew and our special guest Oda Goodbye everybody Bye