 This meeting I have started the recording in fact already. So. Roll call quorum. So Susan Audette present. Jackie Gardner. Present. Disha boss. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And Jamie Wagner. Okay. All right. So I need to read the stamp the language for holding a virtual meeting. We have, there's a little bit of a new link, new. I think to read because the remote meeting. Permissions have been extended. So pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so. By. Logging into where's my, let's see, using webinar ID number. 8, 7, 9, 8, 7, 4, 1, 3, 1, 0, 1. And there are no in-person attendance of members as this meeting is being conducted by remote means only. Okay. And so we need to elect a chair for this meeting only. So are there any nominations? So I would like to inquire what rules are we pulling from to elect temporary chair instead of a permanent chair? Is it simply citing precedent. That you sent to us, Sue. President for having a chair once the, so you're referring to the appointed committee handbook and that chairs are usually elected after the very, after they've all been appointed in July. Right. And since we have a rotating type of a appointment, that seems to me contradictory. Actually the rotating, it's still always coincides with a July 1st appointment though. So somebody. Go ahead. Yeah. Yep. Somebody will always be brand new in July 1st. So it just makes sense to wait until after the, everyone's been appointed. You may have one new person and two older people. You may have two new people, one older. You know what I mean? But Jacqueline Gardner is the only other reappointment. I still have a term that's left. Right. Okay. That's my, that was my impression. But I'm going to speak to you after the meeting. I'm going to have a second, a second meeting after this second. Let's have a subsequent meeting after this, after everyone agrees to elect a permanent chair and knows what the chair does, unless everyone's ready right now. I mean, I'm not ready. You're not ready. Okay. So I've, you know, I've read the guide to the committees. And it is, as I indicated, a bit outdated, however. The chairs and then I looked at the. The list of committees for the town. And usually the staff person is not the chair. So I just want to, you know, whether you're elected or not. The only one I could see where that is different is Holly, who is the assistant comptroller. So, and I, and there's no reasoning for that. Um, so I just, you know, I want us to think about that as we think about temporary chair. You know, this is not personal, but it has to do with procedures that are not very clearly outlined. They're outdated and they're not very clearly outlined for the board of registrars. And I would really, if anything that we do as a committee. That this is something that we take on. So that the next folks who are in these positions has some clearly defined procedures to follow. This is, this is part of the thing too, as far as like, there's nothing in those rules also that indicate you cannot have a rotating chair. It just says to have a chair. So again, these are things that we need to sit down and discuss again, have that planning meeting to see how we're going to do things because within the laws is like some, there's some flexibility and we're sort of like using the flexibility as far as I'm concerned on how this is being operated. I'd like to mention that since our last meeting, I have been working with it and the website is now fully set up to have meetings. Meeting minutes posted for the board of registrars and I put them all on there yesterday. So please feel free to read the past minutes. Such as they are. And what has happened and I would say a half of those minutes included. I sent this email yesterday. Election of a chair for that particular year. Each year there was an election of a chair after the appointment process was done and over with. Right. And not a temporary one. So I'm right with that. But it doesn't say you can't not have a temporary chair. Yeah, it just makes no sense. Like every time we meet. I know, but a lot of times a lot of it doesn't make sense. And it's something you just have to deal with it. And that's what we're doing. People make laws, people make policies, but that's obviously another conversation. Anyway, so I'd like for us to eventually sit and try to more fully flesh this out and define it. Okay. I nominate. Jamie Wagner. Jamie Wagner. As the cheer, the temporary cheer. We have a second. I'll second it. You will. Okay. Jackie seconded. Okay. Are there any other nominations? No. Okay. So if so, we'll come to a vote on Jamie serving as chair for today's meeting. Roll call vote. Jackie Gardner. Present. Okay. And I vote yes. And Jamie, are you in favor? Well, that's fine. Okay. Okay. So we voted to elect Jamie for this as chair for this meeting only. Right. So with that being done. We have next public comment. So I don't think I don't see any hands up, but I don't know if anybody that's in attendance would like up. Okay. So John Rita Burke with you. I think it's so muted. Rita. Are you there? Rita. I am here. Can you hear me? Excuse me. Thank you for recognizing me. I realized that. The voting rights issue that many of us have been working. On with you all for the past few months is not on your agenda, but we've not heard anything regarding it. I realized that you had an executive session and there was a no announcement made subsequent to that. Not that. There has to be, but we have no information for weeks now as to where that stands. And I just wanted to make a public comment that we're all still here. And we are still very dedicated. To this issue. And we are still very dedicated to this issue and continue to work on it. And hope that the board is still working to resolve the voting rights issue. Regarding the court case and that something will be done as soon as possible, perhaps scheduling a referendum. Or by doing the consent decree. I just wanted you all to know that you may have not heard from us. We have not heard from you, but we're also here and very committed to this issue. And certainly hope you all are as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't see any other hands. Wait a second. All right, with no other hands going up. We'll move on to our approval of our minutes. So if you want to start with the May 24th. Meeting minutes. Share the screen here. Let's see here. Okay. We had mentioned that nobody has, we hadn't received any. Amendments from us. Take a minute to look at these minutes. And. Madam chair, I did have an amendment to the June 1st. If I should submit them over email or how I should submit the. Amended. Edit. I mean, at this point, I guess when we get to the June 1st minutes, is it. I mean, do you think it's something you could send to us an email, or do you think you could get it across. Yeah, I could send it. I could send it in an email if that would. Not violate anything. I guess we're in the meeting. So. I guess that I'd have to refer back to do for that. Is it okay for D to send her minutes? So we just do it. When we come to those minutes and have her just. So over with us and you make the changes live. I think. Can you all hear me? Yeah. Okay. I share the screen. First of all, can you see the screen? Perfect. Okay. I think we'll do a live because then I'm going to type it in live. As you can see it, I'll do it in red. Okay. That's all right. That way we've got, and then I'll save it. And then I'll have one copy. All right. That works. That's good for you. Kind of how we did the last time. Okay. All right. So may 24th, if anybody. Has something that they'd like to. Go over. There we go. Just tell me when to move it along. I'm trying to take minutes to here. So. Let's see. Okay. And I think that first, I mean, I'm down to. Bullet point three. I feel like those. Wait for me. Those first couple were pretty. Standard. Looks good down to. That area. I'm okay. Down the second floor when anybody else is. I am too. I'm okay with these minutes. All the way through. Okay. Okay. For point three. Or every, everything. I'm good with everything. Okay. And I'm pretty much okay with everything. As is. Yeah, I had no problem with the first set of minutes. I make a motion to approve. From the May 24th meeting. As presented. So we have to. Make a motion. So I move that we approve. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Minutes for May 24th. The board of registrars. I'll second that. So. Well, now. I don't know if you could second it, Jamie, as the chair. I'll second it. I'll second it. Okay. I'll second it. Okay. Seconded by Jackson. We'll do a vote now. To add that. Yes. I'm yes to. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that being said, we'll put the. Minutes from May 24th on file. And we will. Move on to. First. Yeah. So the draft has been finalized. So I don't do on it. I know. This was the minutes you had. Yeah. It's at the, it's at the very end. So if you all want to go through it. So it's at the last paragraph. All right. So. Time to go. I'm going to go through them yet. I'm just going to read. I have my copy though. So I can read up to my heart copy. Okay. To go through the beginning. I'm good. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, um, Am I able to share? Sue. Maybe that would just be easier because I, I re, I did a suggestion on how to rewrite it. To reflect. The point of contention here is where it says attorney. To add such a statement, which was actually a response to Jamie suggesting. Um, that as a remedy, we do training. Okay. Within the AG's document that was to be sent. All right. So it just kind of a lot as compressed there. Uh, to add such a statement within the conclusion of the response member Gartner responded that everyone should be responsible for reading the open meeting law guide. So she doesn't feel additional training is necessary. So, um, I'm not sure if this responses. And my agreement is not. Um, Exactly. Correct. So. Is there a way to share here? Uh, it's at the bottom. Yeah. I don't know. You're a panelist. I don't know if you can share. Um, you know what? I can. Oh, you can. Very good. Yeah. So this is, um, I don't know if you can share it with us. I don't know if you can share it with us. I don't know if it's any date on trainings, but here is. We're still seeing you. Oh, really? Yeah. I saw your thing pop up, but then you came back up. I see both. Oh, I see it. I see the letter in the middle. And I got it. I've got it. All right. So this was that when you look at the video, it's time code to 28. Um, basically my explanation, I don't know. Maybe I can. Um, it's, it's responding to the statement. Member garden responded that everyone should be responsible for reading. Okay. And then it says membership as agreed. Um, actually membership as agreed that the paragraph. Should not be altered. And it should probably be more specific. Um, as suggested by Jamie Wagner, because it's misleading to suggest that as a remedy, training in open meeting law procedures. Uh, for the board of registrars will occur if this is not the intent. So when you go back to the minutes, uh, we. There was some discussion. And deliberation about that. Uh, I'm not going to say membership as agreed because I wasn't necessarily agreeing. To. Gardner statement. And that's what it reads as. I'm going to, um, So I could send that to you or you could rewrite it yourself or. No, I'm going to. Okay. Does that make sense to everybody? Oh, okay. Let me stop sharing. So you want to change it? I'd like to see the meeting. I'd like to go back and review the meeting, the comments to the meeting. I can't see your edits to it's back. Um, I don't think you need to share again, because that should be took her down. But I'm not seeing yours now. Okay, hold on. It's not there anymore. I got a back now. Okay. So I typed it in red. What D had put in for under edit. I typed it in. So I'm sorry, I'm not here. I was going to ask Jackie about listening to it again. No, I, it's not, it's on the screen, but like I said, I'd rather see the, um, the, um, actual quotation because sometimes people can revise things. This is what I meant, but what you meant and what you said are two different things. And I'd like to actually see what was said. Well, you're welcome to do that. It's not, uh, editing your statement, Jackie. I understand that. I, I actually, as usual, I was very verbose. And, um, I said, I would appreciate more trainings instead of less, um, protecting the vote and transparency, unless we're going to incorporate trainings as a remedy. And make it ongoing. Okay. So I got it, but again, as I said, you're welcome to do it. I move that we, uh, table then. Madam chair, the, uh, minutes for June 1st. Actually, actually what you could do June 1st, this is due to, on the 24th, isn't it? Isn't that the stuff supposed to be done on the 24th? The first set. So those are approved. Those are done. It's 30 days. Okay. 30 days from. So basically. July calendar. Well, yeah, we'd have to count exactly, but, um, yeah. Yeah. So it'd be like July 1st. Is it possible for you to go on and look at it right now and listen to it? Do you have that ability like to use another device? Do it live. Um, I suppose I could. It's 11 o'clock. So. Just throwing that out there. So that we can get it done. I'm just sort of like re-reading it and thinking. Cause it would take a while to find all that stuff. I gave you the time code. Time code is 228. And you're assuming that I have the technology to do this. Right. Okay. I didn't want to put you on the spot. I just thought if you couldn't do it, if you could do it right now, just listen to it for a couple of minutes. If you could find it. No, I'm sorry. Okay. That's okay. Well, can we move forward and then come back to this. I guess I'll just table that. I mean, I don't. It was to simply try to move through this. And give Jackie Gardner. Some opportunity to go to time code 228 for the June. First meeting. And we could put the table this and put it into the next one. Whatever you want to do. Well, like I said, there's a time limit as far as on. When this is going to be done. So are you suggesting. A meeting time for. Another meeting for this. So I have the, the transcript. Would you like for me to send you the transcript? Would you like for me to send you the transcript? Everyone. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah. I just would have to verify it. Yeah, but you could send it. Okay. I don't, you know what, Jackie, because, because it sounds like you have an issue with the trust here. Why don't you go to the. And there's a way. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't talk about trust. Okay. I can send you instruction. I can send you instruction. I don't need your instruction. Oh, okay. Great. All right. Just wanted to make sure it's trying to be helpful. Do you have, if you have the transcript, can you share it on the screen again? Most certainly. Most certainly. I can look at it. She talked about some issues of trust. Don't go down that road. Okay. Stop there. So this is June 1st. As you can see. Okay. So the problem is Jackie. Is that you would have to watch the video. Okay. So I'm going to do a search. I'm going to do a search group along with this in order to. Determine who is speaking. I know. Oh, okay. So what I did was do a search. So you could see. For guide. As a key word. I'll look it up on my own because I don't like being taught down here. Okay. I was just trying to be helpful. I'm sorry. I was just trying to be helpful. So to 28. Did I say yes. All right. So can you all see this? Yes, I can see it. Exactly. I think is when Jamie, you're speaking. I'm trying to enlarge. The view here. You all see that. Yep. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't know when Greg's talking, madam chair for you. I believe this is you here, Jackie somewhere. What did I just say? I'm sorry. What did I do? You didn't do anything. I said I'd like to read it and. Explore it. I was. Okay. I won't address you at all. I'm sorry. I was just trying to. So, when are we thinking if we did table so we can have Jackie pull that up and look when you guys want to try and just probably be a pretty brief meeting. It would be something brief. And, um, I mean, obviously we have to still follow meeting procedures as far as posting and stuff. So we need the 48 hours and stuff like that. Oh, oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 28th, 29th. Any day. Yeah. So what are you suggesting? I'm sorry. It's your model, Jamie. Oh, sorry. I think to think in maybe like Monday or Tuesday of this next week. So we can meet the 48 hour meeting postings and all that stuff. Okay, so that would be the 28th of the 29th. Okay. The only time I cannot do on the 29th, I have a 10 o'clock staff meeting for an hour. But other than that, I'm open both those days. Okay. All right, so the 29th is not good for me. I have besides teaching in the evening another something so the 28th, however, before 230 works. Right. Jackie, is there any time that that Monday is better work for you. That's fine. Any, any, any day is fine. So I guess it's, I'm good. I'm here. Okay. Monday, 28th, I can set it for 11 o'clock. How's that sound? So it's great. Good. Okay. All right. So we need to make a motion to table these minutes. So you want me to restate my motion. I think so, I think now too, as far as these edits, can you leave them in there as part of the draft? So they're just there. Yes, we still have them. So one day and then we'll all I'm going to go back and look so D as far as looking up, you just go on YouTube and search further. I've never actually done that for watching the actual videos. You just go on to YouTube and type it in and it's there. It's right there, Jamie, right on the top of the meeting minutes. Right first thing see a complete video available. And then it brings you to YouTube. Yeah, then it brings you to the key to looking at the transcript, which is helpful instead of just listening could see the words side by side is if you go to the left hand corner of the the actual video box area, there's three little dots, and you click in the three little dots, and it's going to show transcript and then it'll pop up to the right side. All right. Perfect. So we'll do that and pay attention to that 228 time stamp and then we'll just reconvene with these ones on so we'll leave your edits in there for Monday and then somebody wants to make a motion to table those minutes until that next meeting and then we can move on. I make the motion I'm not here. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I move that we table the minutes for June 1 until another meeting on Monday, June 28. And second. I'll second. Okay. All right. And now we'll do a vote to add that. Yes. All right. Jackie Gardner. Yes. Yes. And getting Wagner. Yes. So we'll put the June 1 minutes on the table and we'll read it to those on Monday. So now we move to the June 14 meeting minutes. I've gone through these and I'm okay with that. I don't know if anybody else needs more time to review them or if they have any changes they want. I have no objection to these minutes. I'm also want to make a motion to approve them. Can everybody see them. Everybody's you don't even need to the short. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's right. So I move that we accept the minutes for June 14. And second. I'll second. June 14 is fine. Oh, Jackie. Okay. And so we'll do a vote to add that. Yes. Jackie Gardner. I'm in favor, yes. I need Shabazz. Yes. I'm getting Wagner. Yes. So the minutes and 14 are accepted as presented. That being done. I don't know if anybody has any unanticipated topics that they'd like to discuss. I do. So normally, you know, we could be meeting ad infinitum on minutes because today's minutes now will be. They could be voted on on the 28th, but then you got the minutes of the meeting from the 28th. So normally what's done, there's a couple of things that are done. You can allocate the chair permission to vote the minutes right live during, you know, at the end of that meeting. That way that meetings minutes are done. So there's no reason to meet further. That's one way of handling it. What's the other way. That's pretty much it because you know what I'm saying. There's always going to be minutes every time we meet those minutes and if you have to keep meeting to approve minutes, you never stop meeting so. I'm in favor of that. I mean, as far as voting for them live, like on a meeting that like we anticipate the Monday meeting being probably fairly brief. So I don't know, you know, we could vote for those minutes. I would think that certain cases where there's minutes that might be a little more involved that maybe those need kind of time to look over in case there's just more information. I'm okay with doing it live. You know, if there's not something that needs to be thought about, talk about further. So Sue, I just want to make sure I understand what you're suggesting you're saying that. So for the next four meetings that for for me, meeting minutes that lack that complication, let's say, or it was a short meeting that we vote on the next meeting those minutes live from the very, the most immediate previous meeting is that correct. What you're saying is confusing me so say so say today's say we're not meeting again for anything say we have no purpose to meet again but we've meeting today we've finalized all our previous meetings minutes. We still have today's minutes to do. And so then if we did not approve today's minutes today, then we'd have to meet again to prove to approve today's minutes which means you're continuously meeting to approve minutes in a different way of but you know like when I was serving on the rank choice voting commission our very last meeting we had finalized our recommendation, we were done meeting but then there's always that last meeting that you're going to have minutes for. So you can't, you know when the group was a band just disbanded or whatever the word is finalized closed. How do those last set of minutes get approved so the way it's handled is that permissions given to the chair to approve the minutes that result from that last meeting. Without reading them. No, the chair would read them, but the chair would have the permissions by the other members to approve the minutes. No, and you could read them if you know and you could this multiple ways to handle it you could read it at the end the person who's taken the minutes could say this is what I have for minutes. And the chair and everybody can say yeah that sounds good okay let's approve it. And then they get typed up and that's the end of it. Okay, so whether yeah so whether live or well in person or remote, we would get to see that draft typed up. Is that what you're suggesting. It's not going to be typed up though. It's just going to be, it's going to be read as this is what I have in the minutes it wouldn't be typed, because I mean you can seek. Yeah, this is every single board and committee has to go through this when they end when they're done that their reason for being is over. There's always that last set of minutes is how do you, what do you do with those. You're not meeting anymore how do they get approved. So you approve it at the last meeting. Okay, I get it but our reason for being is over. Is that a statement or a question. It's a statement. Right now we're we've met a lot we never meet like this so you'll see when you look online, the posted minutes of past meetings. As I said in my email. The board of registrars has met like once a year. You know, half the time that I've been in this office so once a year. So because of the new open meeting law guidelines. We have to approve minutes within a timely manner. So if we only meeting once a year in normal times, how do those minutes get approved if we're not meeting again. That's the issue we're facing. Yeah, and it sounds like to me that just folks work. I don't know involved or paying attention or something but with that said, I think, you know, had we not had, I mean I saw what you, you presented about how many meetings we have. I don't know if that was to discourage me or what, but just to show you what's yeah I saw it I saw it and, you know, we could go back to that April 21 that could have been resolved and we wouldn't have met, you know, so many times, had we just, you know, redid that but being as it as it is, we would continue to meet to resolve that so I think this was an exceptional circumstance. And I hear what you're saying about, you know, the, the board minutes, but I would rather, you know, procedurally have some clarity. What was said, what is written up and what is going into the permanent record on any board, I'm sitting on. If you don't do that, you're not hearing me. Yeah, I'm saying, how do we handle our last meeting minutes. If we if we don't foresee another meeting happening. If there's no reason to meet for a while. Okay, if it's normal times, say we meet for setting the elect, you know, whatever the board normally meets on. We're only going to meet a very minimal number of times in a year and because of the new open meeting law guidelines, we have to approve minutes in a timely fashion. Right, is there a way to do this to even if it's. I guess we can't do it online through email because then that's considered. Violation violation. I mean, I would even consider looking, you know, at a draft that would, you know, if it's simply to approve minutes, a draft that is typed then in some form or fashion for us to approve. But if this is what I want to talk about, how do we want to handle our last set of minutes if we know we're not meeting for a while. So that's my suggestion that even if it is considered a draft that we are able to see, you know, the flow of conversation what was said, votes, etc. We understand it's a draft, but this is what I'm approving. So that we just have it like we have like the draft. And then like this the what, and then like this sections in red or either add an amendment, indicating what is being amended on it and approve the draft and the amendment. So I can see this and put them together. So what I could do is have a template, you know, meeting minute approval, you know, the usual opening the meeting at this time, public comment if there is any, you know, our headings and we can type it live I suppose we could do that I could share my screen after we've gone through the approval of the minutes process, we could work on that current meeting live. That would appreciate that. Yeah, everybody else go with that. Yeah, that works. Topic's not anticipate. Let me get that down because how to approve the last set of minutes, when you're not meeting for a while. Okay. All right. So, cheer maximum cheer I would like to discuss however it, you know, because it sounds like we're trying to have some closure in terms of the meetings. If there's a possibility of, you know, whether it's all of us together, or it's, you know, I don't know within the town, if there's like a group of people that provide some discussion around procedures. I don't know if it's something, but I really feel strongly as someone sitting on this committee. That, you know, the vote and transparency is something worth protecting and therefore we need to have more defined procedures for the board of registrars. I've been communicating all the while and I was talking about procedures. These are the types of things that we really need to work them out. As far as like how we're going to proceed and do things because like the closure of the meetings for, if you're not going to have another meeting for quite a while, things like that. And then I was like, how do we propose meetings. You know, when something is said to say is during a slow time but something might pop up as far as like to be able to disclose that. As far as like the new chair, what kind of access are they going to have like to some of the things that happen in the town clerk's office that may or may not be relevant to what how we how we offer, right. So, you know, whether or not there's like a lack of a better word, like a liaison between the town clerk's office and us. That makes any sense, because I know you get stuff in and you probably just go ahead and do it because it's part of your job. Assume that I'm referring to. Well, the town clerk is normally the liaison because town clerk is a member of the board of registrar so in the past all those minutes the way the town clerk's been identified to his clerk of the of the board of registrars. That's the title. I noticed. We've. Yeah, I'm sorry. I just wanted to make sure. No, I know the only thing is this I just wanted to make sure that we're all like getting the same kind of information, whether or not your role or whatever, not being the chair or whatever. How is that going to change and how is that going to be beneficial to us, because there's a lot of things that you do. Well, anyway, I'm not, I don't, I think that these are things that need to be discussed at a later time and not necessarily during this meeting. Oh, definitely. And we've brought this up about three times I think now I'm working on an onboarding process for the board of registrars. I'm putting together a packet of materials that when somebody is newly appointed. And I'll give it to everybody obviously, but going through the whole this is what is these are the procedures, or this is your involvement. This is this is what normally happens. So we can start from that point and then go from there. And I appreciate that. I appreciate that Sue, because it's you know we don't have that history. However, just in looking at the, the pointed committee handbook and the charter. There's, there's very little about the board of registrars and how it should convene. And what I'm proposing, you know, again that's a great place to start so I do appreciate that. But what I'm proposing is an actual meeting where we have some type of organizational structure discussion with some guidance that is not led by. You know, KP law, you know, necessarily, but some guidance on organizational structure and training, because I've looked at those documents, and in my search, it's, it's all very loosey goosey. On other committees, I mean even with with you saying that you're the liaison there's there's actual definition on the roles and responsibilities of the liaison to the town council which is different than an employee appointee. So, you know, I think it needs definition, and not for the sake of us necessarily, because you know there's there's lacking clarity most certainly, but for the people. And, you know, we're representing the voters were representing the residents, and that's the clarity that's needed, because what you don't want is the crisis that occurred a few weeks ago, where your residents and your voters feel there's no transparency and don't have trust in the government, and the board of registrars, and I'd like to, you know, circumvent that make sure it doesn't happen again. Absolutely and I, I agree and the board of registrars is also it's not just the town appointed committee, it falls under a state, we're the only committee in this town. So that's actually where our guidelines start. So that was part of my, that was part of my onboarding was to get that material and come up with some kind of a agreement as to you know, because as you know, in most cities and towns the board does not do the certification of signatures the board does all the electrical functions that the town clerk's office does. And I know I'm part of the mass Google group for town clerks and the boards are not in the offices so. Yeah, so I think it's the state that sets the guidelines, you know the state that puts them out there but then you end up suiting those guidelines to your particular needs in the office because absolutely so and I think this again comes to the point about what the charter says, as opposed to what the state says for our role, and because that lacks clarity that then begins to erode and undermine how the residents view the voting process here in the town. And, you know, if we're, what are we doing, you know, not only is there confusion, but then what's our purpose. Yeah, so we should, we should meet on that for sure. So again so what I what I would request and I can make this request to the town council and to the town manager is that we have some type of organizational guidance with some knowledge to help us within this conversation I do not feel this is a conversation. Me nor you know it's wonderful as as we are and as knowledgeable as we are should facilitate this should be a facilitated conversation around organizational guidelines looking at those particular documents together. I'm talking about like the, you know, this stuff kind of happening after the July appointment should we try to book a meeting like sometime in July or windows always typically happen the appointment where we would then a less permanent here and kind of go over all this stuff and kind of get ourselves up. Yeah, anytime that works for everybody. In July, like a deadline or something that that all happens by and then you kind of start your new year fresh after that. Not really. It's just whenever the board can meet. The dates have been all over the place I think for the minutes in the past I think it's just really what what's available. I can tell you I'm on vacation. I'm not here the week of the 19th. So that whole week is out. And it also we really should wait until the letters are until that process is done. I know the town manager has started it. I think when letters are in hand and I can contact everyone and say okay, we're good to start. Wait until the assignments and appointments have been completed. Yes, who knows a new person coming on board might have a totally different concept. So Jamie's been re-appointed. I have until the 22nd. So Jacqueline, you're the only reappointment unless there's another position. No. Well, exactly. So you're saying I have no value. No, and you're talking about the new person and re-appointment. No, until I get a letter in my hand saying I've been reappointed. No, I'm still up in the air. Okay. As far as I'm concerned, I might not get renewed. Who knows. Nothing in life is guaranteed. It's not over. So the fat ladies things or something like that. That's why I don't want to do too much planning in the future. So yeah, we wait till the letters are in hand. Then we say, okay, now we've got our, we know who's here. And now we can move forward with our. Electing of a permanent chair talking about, yeah, yeah. A little embarrassing showing up without my reappointment letter. So you'll just get to us when, I mean, you obviously know when everybody has their letters, so then we can try to look forward to that for the end of July. Maybe. That's good. Yeah. All right. So, is that all you have or is there any, any more unanticipated business? No. So would that be intended for me like to make a motion to adjourn until we meet again on Monday. So yeah, I move to adjourn. Right. All right, so we'll vote to add that. Yes. Jacqueline Gardner. Yes, we can adjourn. Yes. Yeah. So we will see everybody here again on Monday at 11. All right. All right. You too. Have a good day. Everybody. Okay. All right. Thank you. Bye everybody. Bye. Thank you, Sean. Anytime.