 ya mawa kama nดibato. Nariwa na kama niha watamina, meza kufu splitno kakama, hwa kuchu na kaa. So miwa kwa wakandu. Right here at the CBD, sewami na mawa kwenya K200 envibi kwenya Kwa wakandu Kwenya knoza. Thank you, Shikwa. Tata ka heja. So nami ka mawa kwenya So, stand up against the femicide that's been happening, stand up for our sisters, for our mothers, for our cousins, our daughters. It just has to end. This sort of new spirit of violence, it has no place in Kenyan society at all. It's beautiful to see men joining in the march and I want to hear from you because a lot of people online especially have been probably thinking each time a man heal. Do you think the issue is mental illnesses about everything that is happening? Well, I definitely think there's a lot of mental illness going around and a lot of stuff that we need to talk about but it's no justification for violence. I think, like my wife always says, where will we learn democracy if in the house the father is always right, if at school the teacher is always right, if in church the pastor is always right. So, we need to learn how to, first of all I think some of these relationships are very extractive, people are getting killed because they're not giving sexual favours or anything like that. This is not how things work and we need to make men understand that women are equal, women can lead and we can, some of those things that I'm saying them but they are so obvious to me, I don't understand why it's such a problem for men to understand that. There is no superiority over women and if we can get that into our heads then we won't have to do this and there won't have to be people dying. You mentioned sexual favours and the debate online is that probably ladies are dying looking for money or rather getting killed looking for that money. Do you think men are taking advantage of the economic stakes of women? Okay, first of all I don't even know how much I want to go into that. Do I think that men are taking advantage of, first of all I don't think that women are doing what men are saying. I don't think that women are there like okay I'm going to sell my body because times are tough, times have been tough and continue to be tough. If we want to talk about the fact that we are having more mature sexual conversations and that women are being much more free about talking about sex we can have that conversation. But it's not that women are out there selling themselves. I think that we just need to be careful and not approach this thing with too much judgment. I'm talking about how young people are addressing issues of sex and sexuality right now. And it can't be that because someone is enjoying a sexual life that they are prostituting. You have to understand that. But we've been raised to that thing that men can do whatever they want and that if women do then they are loose. That's a completely wrong narrative. Let's talk about the video that went viral yesterday because we had some women at Jivanji who were protesting against Femiside. But we had these two men who are now against the march and they say wanaume pia wanaumia kwenyemi kondoya kina dada awana wake. And they say something that they'll continue killing women. You saw that video? I did see the video. Those two men are not representative of men in general. And I would like to encourage any young man, any man who has seen that. Don't take that as an example. I think there is a lot of violence in the way people are speaking. People in leadership positions, people at home etc. There's a lot of matusian violence in the way we speak. But that is not what being a real man is about. And maybe I'll even look at the camera and tell your people. Young men at home, don't believe that thing. That's not how true men are. True men talk, true men negotiate. And true men understand that women are equal to men. Eric, your music has been like the unofficial Kenyan anthem of helping with activism, help... For example, your song, Inche Akituki Dogo. Do you think the government and the entire criminal justice system, that is the police, the judiciary, are doing enough to make sure these cases and victims get justice and the perpetrators go to jail? I don't think enough is being done to make sure that the perpetrators of this kind of violence are being dealt with accordingly. I think Bonnie made a very good point about a case that happened in the country and the people went off scot-free and up until the efforts of activists like Bonnie was any attention paid to it. We have to be much more serious about punishing sexual crime and violence against women. And it needs to be clear that no one can get away with it. No one is above the law. And that... there are no sacred cows. And maybe, looking at the cameras, please talk to men and also women. Women are encouraging you to continue speaking for your rights. This society cannot function without you. It sounds like such an obvious thing to say. I believe that women should be in positions of power. I believe that women should take the lead in the house as well. It's the best idea that wins mutual respect, mutual understanding. And we can work out any problems that need to be worked out. To men? To men, be careful about the role models that we choose. The loudest voices that we are seeing on the media all the time are not necessarily the voices that we should be listening to. We are guided at all times by justice and by love. That's all I can say. Thank you so much Eric and thank you for showing up. Thank you for coming.