 Terrorists have attacked Saint Francis Catholic Church in a war the headquarters of our local government area of on those state Many worshipers have died and several orders have been left injured following the incident at the church Which is situated close to the palace of? lower off or the on the police command Confirmed the development saying that for the details would be given later He said all security apparatus has been put in place To restore calmness to the area now several videos on social media showed victims been killed Lying on the church floor and the pool of their own blood Would you have Shola? Abish any joining us this morning on the show? Good morning, Mr. Shola Abish any Let's quickly show your thoughts. I mean, how do you feel about this attack and this incident that happened yesterday? Well, we Just like yesterday at the 30th of January of the after-sale It was such a horrendous you back you back Oh You use and we have the other stick nationality man here But the incident did not just take place in olden times. The St. Francis Church shares same faith with the Palos of the Divine or Olden times. So it was part of that and the culture and the civilization of the United States. And we have said the federal government of Nigeria will be held responsible for the attack on the consequences of this. Nigeria is a civilization and every civilization in a constituent state, region or country in the Middle East should be able to organize their own international security in defending the country within their administration. Unfortunately, we have a constitution in Nigeria that is a monopoly of speciality, a typical international security to the federal government, which has proven to be responsible for the attack on the consequences in defending the security of life and property, which is the basic and the essence of the state. And that is why we say today that Nigeria has all in suitable time to build a state state. It is so unfortunate. In the course of this conversation, you have mentioned that the president should be blamed. Why should the president be caught up in all of this? Because across the 36th state of the Federation, we have the presence of the Nigerian police. And we understand that primarily, we understand the primary function or the responsibility of the police, protection of life and properties and showing that you have peace maintained at the end of the day in a civil society. And that's why you have the police existing. So why should we blame the president? In all of this, when you have a state and then you also have a police architecture, should the president be blamed? Well, we made it very clear that the Nigerian state should be rebuilt. Everything about Nigerian state should be federalized if we are operating in federal system of maintenance. A situation where the federal government means no pulling of the security architecture. And when the process of administration particularly is consistent to restructuring of the Nigerian state, where it is very clear that it has the capacity to secure the Nigerian state. So what do you blame? Is it me? The president is the commander-in-chief of the imposition of the Nigerian federation. Is the chief, if I be a point to the heterogeneous police and the heterogeneous police is responsible for a little thing, even the commissioner of police in the state are not responsible for the fact that I mean to the state governor. The governors of the state are called chief security officer of the state for nothing. There is no governor of any state that commands even the voice out constitutionally. So who else do you direct to the responsibility of the Nigerian state to when we operate the situation? Therefore, the SSS, under the federal government, under the federal government, is the newly created civil defense, is responsible directly to the federal government, to the president, is general police is responsible directly to the president, to the chief of public, to the chief of the Navy, to both sides of the table of discussion. That is not the soul in a federation of the federal government. In a federation, every state should have its own police and system, and we have been as a state since we have been speaking for state police, but the federal government says it is not going to happen. So if the federal government is in charge of immobilizing the security architecture of the state, then the federal government must show strength, it must show capacity. But there is war all over Nigeria today, and the federal government of Nigeria is affected. So that is why we are saying Nigeria cannot move and be stopped without the progression of the restructuring of the state. This constitutional project of the situation that was in 1963, the autonomies before the military took over, and we are always embarrassed that there have been, in all those states that have been taken in Nigeria, we say the country for its national comfort with poor tourism should be the minimum simply for reorganizing the Nigerian state. At this moment, just by the fact that the river set up the air supply, the poverty on super-dialysis, the cost that came out is actually a total loss of the 2014 national comfort stock. That is the report that came out as a result of the poverty set up by the APC government and the APC Department of Control and Development. Yes, the president says Nigeria should remain at peace and pretending to have the capacity to solve the problems that you don't know how. So the box stops moving. Moving forward now, what would you say that the solution would actually be that we seem to be at the center of all of this? Because it's not... Now what? You're talking about the solution to all of this? Exactly. Our promise, our position is very clear, very clear. Result on Nigeria. Result on Nigeria to reinvent the true progress state. Nigeria is too large. Nigeria is too expanded. Nigeria is too diverse. Nigeria is the only one left who are clear of government to claim unopening of the administration of Nigeria. Nigeria is the only federal system in the entire world where there are no police. So start with... If the government, the state government of the southwest region they came up with their most effective security network. Our most effective is working, unfortunately, the threat of government, the threat of the necessary weapons to be able to make up to the challenges of security. And the federal government does not need to bother itself so much about internal security in most states. Nigeria, the Nigerian state, should normally be safe depending the territorial integrity of Nigeria where it's safe and left to take advantage of their own security system in providing security for their own people. That is our position to move forward. Let Nigeria be restructured so that Nigeria will be a true federal state. In terms of security, it's safe to have the capacity to take out of their own internal security. It is only when the state is still incapacitated that the federal forces are forced in to assist. But right now, look at our work. How do you understand the entirety of our local government? Our local government has started from our footer almost up to the banter. Yes, almost up to the banter which has just taken. And they have only one police station at our work. The entire police men in our police station may not be under 100. How do those ones secure the territory of our local government? That is the problem that we have. The Nigerian federal government is not realistic. It wants to amass all the powers of government for itself when it is clear that it no longer has the capacity to defend our people. That's our position. Yes, I understand the position that you have actually put out restructuring the country and putting it, let's become a federating unit, a true federal system. But a lot of people have argued that that's not even going to provide a solution because you have a system where you have the governors controlling, very powerful. We look at the local government and having financial autonomy for the local government, that hasn't gone very easy for the local government as an arm of government. So that's a discussion for another day. But let's also stay with security and the issue of having different diverse government. In this particular instance now, we also want to look at the fact that with all of this, as we constantly go through insecurity in Nigeria, you have some persons coming up with regional security outfits, not necessarily that they had to put that name together, but you have had the Ibube Agu. You also have the issue of the Hibsbar police, as much as a lot of people will not want to agree with that. You also come to this other side, you have the Amoateco. So let's talk about regional security architecture that's been set up in different regions in tackling insecurity in Nigeria. Do we still need to have a federating unit to solve the problem of security in Nigeria? Of course. You were talking about regional security outfits. It's the most difficult, the essence of the state. The next one, you will have a state in the first place, is the security of life and property. Life is said to be nothing to be short in the state of nature before the social contract between the people and the state to create the state so that the state can be in a position to implement the powers of all to defend all. So there is no government properness of all that will not have the capacity to provide security for its own people. The component states in the Federation do not necessarily compete with the government of the Federation, but that is why we try to distinguish between defending the territorial integrity of the Nigerian state against external aggression and the need to provide security within the Nigeria internal territory. Within the territory of Nigeria it should not be the responsibility of the federal government to build onto the military to serve us. In the first Republic, we used to have local government commissions. In advanced countries, even universities have their own commissions. So it is not possible to decide of Nigeria for there to be only one united political system it is a failure at the mission. One way I can trust and trust it generally in every federal state is that each of the component states has its own security architecture and when you talk about regional security like the Amoteco in the South West of course there is something wrong in such cooperation and I must tell you I speak from those states I speak from those states from what I have seen in these states the Amoteco security aspect the opposite comment of it has been largely the Amoteco is coming the side of side in the state but it appears that the federal government has some phobia for the state in having their own security in such a way that the federal government feels that when the state has a hope for this they will perhaps be competing with the federal government. That was the fear that the military had under the military administration you have one single command of everything up to the commander in chief and in those states where a change of government can only be foreseen if the federal government cannot allow any other state or any other government within the federation to have a security aspect that may be used to topple the federal government but that does not support anything in the federal system that depends on where we are for instance look at it most of the war effort was still done by the civilian JTF what do you call it? in Buenos when the war first started the Nigerian police did not do anything also the Buenos state government brought local hunters and the youth and they called them civilian JTFs the Boko Haram city were more scared of the civilian JTF than they are of the Nigerian police I want us to come back now because we need to look at the incident that is happening right now and how we can solve the problem because if you talk about the issue of restructuring let's get to a true federating unit where you have different states controlling the security architecture of the state of course you have a state saying we have a state police where states can actually control over that but let's come to what we can do now because it would be an act of legislation and we don't know how far we can go with all of that because we have had a legislative process where there is some form of amendment of the constitution and we haven't really conceded that we have people dying every day on different accounts in fact where you have people die as a result of a group of persons waking up someone has blasphemed and then they kill them people are taking laws into their hands and we know what the law says the constitution is very explicit in all of this but no one seems to be taking action and how long can we continue in this let me bring you to the the cycle that we are going through now I paint a picture now so you have a mass shooting mass shooting has been going on for a long time it will continue because after this one you are going to have another one there will be extra vegans and what have you different figures and we have not been very set in whether or not what has happened so you go back to the fact that we are going to be having thoughts and prayers and from thoughts and prayers you are going to be having a social media debate where you have Twitter on top of the bonnet and then we get to that point where nothing will be done so we go back to the cycle we continue again in different states of the federation I mean somebody commits mother what stops us from arresting them don't we have the police officers don't we have other security architecture we have rubbed in the military in all of this how long will we continue to make all of these excuses and people continue to die the reason why you have government the legitimacy of government is that they will protect lives and property but you have government not even having right to protect the lives and property we continue with all of this until it gets to everybody and we are all killed you are only laughing this is your lamentation we need to solve many problems it is said that it is madness to do the same thing all over and expect different results the security architecture we have now has faced as you continue so to do the same thing without restructuring you put this story because you want to let the lamentation oh there was a killing there there was another killing there there is mass killing all the people and death in those mass killing we do so because of the bad day that in agil and territorial states it is not the police it is not the security I have told you that the world of all the local government does not have more than 100 police men 100 police men and the services of the local government is so bad that I said it is such a problem in the West almost up there don't take it easy how do you have people 100 to 200 police men to guide the population the solution to it is mass killing of the police up to community policing but a situation what the nagina police does is not to present crime they say in their police station in their palace for you to come and report crime to them after crime has been committed the only thing the nagina police do is to prosecute crime in court the nagina police for instance all these health men that came to attack church in a war do you think they live in the city of a war they live in the palace nagina police will not go into the palace but a motorcycle can go to the palace and miss the brain that the federal government will not allow the motorcycle to be armed will not even encourage to shoot Mr Sholah Abishani Mr Sholah Abishani we need to call it a wrap here now we appreciate your time thank you so much for being part of the breakfast this morning Sholah Abishani is the secretary general thank you so much for being part of the show this morning we wish you all the best we get to a point where we have lives and properties protected we take a breakdown when we return we head straight to a second conversation where you have the EPC saying let's zone to the presidency to the south stay with us we'll come back