 Thank you. So, might I ask immediately to introduce a little bit about yourself? Because I've seen that you're the lead of Unity, of course, but you do also do other projects as well. Yeah, so I'm basically a GenX dev, I develop GenX tools, distos and other stuff like kind of developer of Ubuntu Unity, Ubuntu Web, GenX, Game Ubuntu, etc. So, like for example, I released Unity 7.6 this week, and I just released another project named ModZen just yesterday, which is basically a new store, which is completely different from existing stores for Linux. Yeah, that's a lot of projects actually. That's something that I don't know if I would be able to keep up with, like I adjust the one and that's me for that's it for me. How do you like maybe keep track of time and how to contribute like how to have the time actually to contribute to various projects? Yeah, so like I'm 12 years old and I do need to go to school too, so yeah in my spare time, for example, I spend most of the time on Ubuntu Unity and Ubuntu Web, and then on the secondary projects like Puna and Game Ubuntu ModZen, so I'm working on those when there's no release of Ubuntu Unity or the Ubuntu Web that is coming up. Okay, that makes sense. And you're also doing a store for a new store, I've seen? Yeah, so it's basically an app store in which it does support snaps, blackpacks, dibs, like most of the stores, but the difference is that first of all, you can submit your own apps to the store and like other stores, so that you do not have to submit it to a repository. For example, in the case of the packages, because it is really hard for people to be able to publish their system apps, for example, the system tools, because yeah, it is easy to publish blackpacks and snaps, but they're sandbox and many system tools simply cannot run inside the sandbox, so you can basically publish dibs and various other types of apps in the store directly instead of going to the repository and then the publishing process. Okay, understood. So these are the things you're working on. So related about Ubuntu Unity itself, there has been a new release recently. Can you quickly tell us what's new for those that maybe haven't seen it? Yeah, so we just released Ubuntu Unity 7.6 and Ubuntu Unity 22.04. So Ubuntu Unity 7.6 is basically like the first update, apart from 7.5.1 in six years, like I mentioned in the blog post too, so we have made a number of changes, some bugs which are present for a long time, like the tash icon not working and the redesign of some of the outdated elements like menu items in the launcher, the launcher hard, and yeah, so we have made many changes and we have fixed bugs and added features to Unity 7 in 7.6. Okay, and I'm wondering from people like, I might see people seeing this project with Unity actually asking themselves why Unity, after it was a bit abandoned by Ubuntu itself, why not using some projects like KDE and GNOME or what is like the reasoning that drives forward this project in particular? Yeah, so like there are some features of Unity which simply are not present in other DEs like you have the hard and the global menu, so many apps in other DEs which do support the global menu, for example, many of those DEs cannot show the global menu in many apps which are supported by Unity and yeah, so I think I mentioned this in the previous article too, so basically Unity was the first DE that I've used when I come to Linux, so I started using Ubuntu 17.04 which was still using Unity 7, although it was the last release which was using Unity 7, so yeah, I really liked it compared to Windows and it was much faster, I know it is considered to be heavy but it was way faster at the time and I had a really small screen and the resolution was like 1366x768, so yeah, Unity was much better for smaller screens than other DEs at the time. I actually used Unity when I was a child on a very small laptop and it was rather slow with Windows, I actually spent some years with Unity and it was really nice to use. Yeah, so like that's one of the main reasons why I'm continuing the development of Unity 7. Okay, and what are the things, well first of all, what are you actually working on currently now that the latest release of Unity has been released? Like is it Ubuntu Web or? Yeah, I'm actually working on adding many more apps to Modzen to the new store which I developed and making some visual peaks to it and making changes like adding a dark theme and other things because it uses Electron. And I'm wondering now what projects is, actually let me ask that first, how many people are in these teams about Ubuntu Unity, Ubuntu Web, is it a smaller team or? Yeah, so it's like we have a few more dealers and like we have Tobio, Mike in the Ubuntu Unity community, Tobio is also involved with Ubipodes, a part of Ubuntu Unity and many other projects and we have Ayinkar Valho at the center. So yeah, we are a small team, so there are four five people in our team and Muktedes on the Yahoo team too was a part of the Ubuntu Unity team and it's still developing the Yahoo Unity team which is used by Ubuntu Unity. Okay, and what is the upcoming progress for Ubuntu Unity as a whole? What would we see in the next releases? Yeah, so we are planning to slowly make the Unity 7 design for example a bit more modern, add a few more features to it and maybe improve the hard, for example the results which are shown by the hard, because for example many of the Kanom apps they simply do not work with the hard and also Firefox, so I was interested in making a Firefox snap with the patch with the open Susie mini patch for Unity 7. So yeah, those are the some of the things which I'm planning to do after Morton. Okay, and what about Ubuntu Web? Yeah, I saw Ubuntu Web, so I am planning to add a few more features to its stores for example, the store which is present in Ubuntu Web and include the UI and maybe even KDE because many of the Kanom extensions take really frequently, so I was really interested in trying KDE or maybe even working on a desktop environment which is using JavaScript, I'm interested in that possibility too. Yeah, I mean if you have any question about KDE implementation, if you want to ask me private at any time of course, and so Kanom extensions do break for you frequently? Yeah, it was something that I was investigating a bit because I heard that a lot, they didn't quite break for me but I don't use a lot of them, so in your experience you found that they are fragile for like updates I guess? Yeah, so basically with every single new release of Kanom, all the existing extensions break until extension developers update them to work with the new features and the new features up on your version. Okay, okay, so another thing that I talk about in this channel is actually getting involved in open source as a whole, whatever project is it be, so I was wondering if you could share your story of how you got involved in open source, how you discovered it? Yeah, so when I think I was around, I think seven or eight I was making some really basic Android app in Java on Windows with that same crappy laptop which I was talking about right now, I first used Unity on, so I was using Windows back then and I did come across like one or two articles related to this, related to Linux distributions and I just decided to try out Ubuntu maybe, I just decided to try it out and yeah, so I decided to try out Ubuntu 1704, it was much faster, Unity isn't that light but it was way lighter than Windows because I had like four gigs of them, 512 gig hard disks, so Unity was much faster, that's how it got started in the Linux community, I started developing Android apps on it and even made one or two third kernels and then after one or two years I started working on Ubuntu Unity and released the first one. Okay, so you actually started using Linux as your main operating system since 2017? Yeah, since 2017. Yeah, that's actually interesting, I think about the same year that I started using Linux, so we were roughly the same, how do you say, like Linux streak or something, so yeah, and what actually gives you the motivation to go forward in open source projects, like if somebody comes and asks you, okay, but why should I contribute to something that's open source, I mean, I don't get paid, so what would you tell them? Yeah, so it's like, well, the reason why I started doing all of this was because when you're using Windows, for example, you can't change basically anything and you can't make any tweaks to it, so yeah, that's why I've been contributing to open source stuff, I've been adding more features and other things to open source software, so yeah, to add more customization, for example, so that's one of the reasons, for example. Yeah, I totally agree. Somehow it's also a bit of a reason why when I first started with Ubuntu, I kind of liked KDE a lot because yeah, sure, you can modify the code of any desktop, of course, but in KDE, you also have all of the UI to actually change it, so switching from Windows to KDE, it really felt like you had so much freedom compared to before, and so you started with Unity, right? Yeah, I started with Unity. And you do have a GNOME version of Ubuntu Web, right? Yeah, Ubuntu Web uses GNOME. Yep. What's your experience with different desktop environments? Do you prefer one or do you use like many of them? Yeah, so it's like, after India, I did try out KDE too, but every single time I used KDE, I've either added too many, too many themes, extensions, icons, and changed the font a lot, and made many other tweaks and took in the whole desktop, so that's one of the things which I've done with many of the KDE installations. And I'm basically way more familiar with making changes from the command line, et cetera, for GNOME-based DEs and GNOME itself compared to KDE, so yeah, I'm way more familiar with GDK-based desktops like XFCE, GNOME, Unity, et cetera. Have you ever tried something like Elementor US? Yeah, I used to use Elementor after Ubuntu. I tried Ubuntu and Elementor, so Elementor, yeah, I found Elementor to be really stable until I decided to update to the beta version, which completely absorbed the whole system because they were not officially supporting it, and they were not officially supporting it, so I manually added the deposit and all the icons and other stuff was completely absorbed after the update, so that was the last time I used Elementor. Okay, makes sense. And another question that might seem weird and probably is like dumb, but working on Ubuntu Unity and Ubuntu Web, one question that I have is, why not using actually Unity on the Ubuntu Web project? Yeah, so like I mentioned earlier, one of the reasons was because Unity, although it is even GNOME, it's not that like, but yeah, first of all, I was way more familiar with GNOME and Unity than other DEs, so that's the reason why I chose GNOME, and Unity is a bit heavier than GNOME, I believe, so yeah, so I chose GNOME over that, although GNOME 2 is just temporary until I can figure out the final DE or I start working on a JSD, for example, for her apps. I'm actually looking into Dahlia's, Dahlia OS's Pangolin desktop 2. What's that? Yeah, so Pangolin is basically your desktop environment that is written in Flutter, it is based on Fushia OS's DE, that's interesting using that for Ubuntu Web. Interesting, I didn't actually know about it at all. And Ubuntu Web is a little bit meant as an alternative to Chrome OS, right? Yeah, like it supports Android app and other stuff too. And what kind of hardware do you think Ubuntu Web is designed for? If I see Chrome OS, it's usually like lower hand device, but also convertibles and twin ones. Is that also the target goal of Ubuntu Web? Yeah, so I often test Ubuntu Web and I'm using it on a 4GB RAM laptop too, and it works perfectly fine. And on a GPD pocket too with a touchscreen, so I haven't faced any issues. So the touchscreen works really well. For example, there isn't a cursor that has been shown at all times, the on-screen keyboard works really well. And yeah, so that is also one of the reasons why I set it with GNOME because it is, like, I think one of the best DE's that it supports for touchscreen. Because like many of the other X11 desktops, like GNOME, even without or even with X11, it makes feel like, for example, the cursor isn't visible when things are being touched and multi-touch works really well. So that's one of the reasons why I went with GNOME too. So yeah, it works really well on touch screens and on low end hardware. Does it run Wayland or X11? Yeah, so initially it was using X11, but now we mainly use Wayland because we use Wayland for Android that have actually compiled E10 for Wayzoid to be able to run EOS apps, which is basically a deep-willed fork of Android. So now it is able to run Android apps out of the box? Yes. Is it, how many other distro does actually do that? I'm not aware of any other distro with Waydroid out of the box? With Wayland. So yeah, Wayzoid, they aren't many, I think this is the only one apart from Wayzoid Linux because, yeah, because like I mentioned earlier, this is meant to be an alternative to Chrome OS, Google's Chrome OS. Yeah, that's why we have included Wayzoid by default and Wayzoid depends on Wayland as the meme suggests. So yeah. Yeah, I've also found a touch experience to be much better in Wayland in general, depending on the desktop obviously, but still. And is there some Linux device that, I mean devices that do have Linux out of the box that you're following that you're excited for lately, some like some pine product, some have you followed maybe the the jing pad thing, even though they're not on the market anymore? What do you think of the future of Linux devices and is there any one of them that particularly interests you? Yeah, so it's actually working on a mobile OS too for Linux phones and tablets earlier. It was named Skull, but I haven't completed it yet. And yeah, so I was following the development of JingOS. In fact, I'm in the Jingpad Telegram 2. Sorry, you have? I'm in the Telegram 2 for JingOS. Okay. So yeah, it's really too sad to see that it's already dead because JingOS, I think it was one of the one of the best chances for Linux to become popular on mobile devices or the most device. I'm actually living in India and most of the devices, they simply do not ship to India in the first place. So I think fine. And a few other companies, many of them have restrictions with shipping to India. So yeah, I haven't been able to get my hands on the Linux device. Yeah, that makes it significantly harder, I guess. Yeah, it would actually be clear if they are sold on general purpose sites like Amazon, New egg, etc. But yes, that's going to happen really soon. Okay. And what about the future of Linux devices? Like, do you think that the current trend is a good one? Will we see, sorry, some new stuff coming around in your opinion? Or some new stuff related to what? Some new Linux devices. And if so, what kind of changes should Linux make, in your opinion, to better fit future devices? If I think of a new tablet that runs Linux as an example, I actually have another time thinking that some like Grom or KD Plasma out of the box would work really well on such a device. Yeah, so I do think System 76 has the best future because most of the devices which we are working on, but some slim book and tuxedo to data are really similar. So yeah, so the devices which are working on compared to other companies like Libre and others. So most of the devices are aimed at general users instead of developers, for example, like the Dell XPS developer edition. I really don't know why they've named it the developer edition, but yeah, and it doesn't even ship to India, even though the general XPS and all the other laptops do. So yeah, so I think those are the future. If so, they just load the price, for example, to be in line with general laptops, which I do think is not going to happen anytime soon because obviously they cannot add telemency and other stuff to the devices. So you do have to pay that Linux premium, but I do think they'd have a great future. If so, for example, they were listed on a general purpose site for people to buy instead of people having to buy directly from the website and wait for a long time for the devices to ship, for example. So I think that's one of the main factors. Okay. And to wrap it up, is there any future projects that we like don't know about, like other than the ones we talked about that you want to talk about or? Yeah, so I am working on some stuff, which I'm flying to the least soon. So yeah, like, for example, maybe a command line for a modern, a command line version 2 in the Electron app. We are stuff like that. That's what I'm flying home working on. Nice. And do we have some general message, like maybe do you want to share some links to check out some particular products? Is there anything you would like to say at the end of this? So yeah, yeah, so you might definitely want to check out mountains, for example. And so yeah, I could provide maybe the links to the projects which I'm developing. And just one more thing, I think it's a big thing that people try out of Ubuntu 22.04 with this release because it is much better than the previous releases like Ubuntu 21.10. So yeah, those are some of the things I wanted to say. Yep, I actually hope to have a video about Ubuntu Unity actually trying out Ubuntu Unity soon on my channel. And whilst waiting for that, thank you for your time. And really, thank you so much because I gotta say that green screen is really well done. I was actually rather impressed to Alex. It was actually the green screens. Yeah, yeah, you can see mine too. So we both have like videos here currently with the green screen on the, but yours actually edit out slightly better, I think. Still, as I was saying, thank you so much for your time. And if you have like any question about KD, which is what I work on, of course, you can send me a message anytime. And that's it. Thanks. Thank you so much for inviting me. And yeah, thank you everyone for watching this. 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