 Thank you, welcome to the show. Thanks, Brian. Thank you, great to talk to you, Mickey. As I said, opening the victories against Slago in a way to London. Mickey, a tough assignment now to Meath, you know, playing in the... They come down from 2A, playing in the Joe McDonough. You know, it was going to be a tough prospect, but it was a game still we competed in up until the last quarter. Yeah, it was, Brian. I suppose it was the third of the season, and Meath threw a hard favourite stage. We won this division, and every other two minutes knows that. But luckily we were down, Brian. We had a real go with them. It was a tough breach, and we set up solid in the first half, and luckily 32 minutes gone. There was only three points in it, and then they had to eat purple patch in the last three or four minutes. They've got six situations at halftime, but we're now at halftime, which is we'd have a real go with them, and we did, you know, and 55 minutes gone. There was only three points in the scoreboard, and us for the breach behind us. You'd have thought maybe we were going to run them tight, but to be fair, Brian, there were good outputs and they emptied the bench, and they punished very strong, and showed a lot of depth in the panel, you know. But look, we were all happy, Brian. We knew not far away from them, but at the same time, there could have been a point at least in us for the game, but they pulled away big in the last ten minutes from us, you know. Yeah, it sounded like a real physical contest. Maybe just it got a bit tough towards the end of it for us, but certainly we gave as good as we got up on that. I just seen reference to a few battles that were going on all over the pitch, even with our own man inside in their fallback. They looked like there was a real tussle going on there in terms of physical battles, and it sounded like the crowd really warmed it up. There was a good atmosphere, and there was a good crowd in that one. I suppose Ritchie Ryan was a handful for them in the first half, and it fell forward for us, you know. He had a bit of power over the fallback and stuff, but on the second half, they dropped their big wing back to the minute. It was actually bigger and very physical than Ritchie too, so that ended up a battle. I've worked in their favour now. He was very solid on there, the change they made, you know, and it worked for them, but definitely it was a physical encounter, and something we've been working on is our strength condition over the year, but at the same time, we've been very conditioned for it in the last ten minutes. They just had a wee edge on us, you know. We were getting a lot better, but they just showed that level that they play at, as we step up, you know, and to prove so in the last ten minutes, they're very conditioned, and they're benched in a big difference to them, you know. Yeah, and that's natural. Every step up is going to come with more preparation, more physicality, so I suppose you're getting a bit of a flavour for that, but you certainly, you know, give it your all. We've spoken before about Donny Gall being in 2A, and I'm not saying you're ever comfortable in there, Micky, but we certainly know our way about the division now, and we can handle it, and if you're playing the side that has come down a level, it's great to test yourself against them, but certainly we're no longer 2A used to be a thing, or 2B used to be a thing where it was something we would get up to and get relegated. Now we're holding our own in there, and I suppose it's only if you can do that for a few seasons, then Micky, can you possibly think about taking another step? As I said, a massive step, and the Netherlands is so tired, you know, exposing football, and on a given day, the Division III team can set up and give a Division I football team a game, you know, it's so different in the Netherlands. If you go up another level, you're up under the cherries in the off-leys, you know, and look, I feel with this young side, we're at our level at the moment, maybe in a few years time, I, but the concentration is to stay in 2B, you know, and maintain that level of the Netherlands, and try being hurling on the county, you know, where our young side, yesterday, we started with maybe 524, anyway, and, you know, it's a young team, but it's making their debut against the likes of me and stuff now, which has changed times from years ago, so, and I think the level at the moment is good, you know, if we get this semi-final spot, we'll always push to get on, and try to get a rattle up to 2A, but it's a massive step, and you know, the aim is to get comfortable in this division, and to get a semi-final spot, we'll have a go at it surely, but if we get another point or two, it should see a shift, you know, so with two home games going between Leeds, or between Wicklow and Thoreau, so hopefully we can get a point or two out of them, and that's sort of safe for an all year, and possibly maybe a semi-final spot, so we can look at that then, you know. Yeah, making a lot of, obviously, discussion and consternation in many ways, over or underage football academy that's happening there. Just with those young players you mentioned, are you happy enough with underage hurling at the minute in terms of, you know, the coaching and the backup that you're getting from the county? Well, we've got two or four players through in the last year, you know, and the panel now we get keeping maybe five or six. The problem was, Ben, when they come out on their 20s in hurling, if they didn't get on the senior panel, there was no hurling at all, and the club seems maybe only four or five matches a year, so you were losing boys, and that wasn't right. You know, so I think the minute maybe 80 gap is on there, down to 17, and Paul Burns on to 20, you know, so there's definitely a structure, a better structure in place than what has been before, you know, and these players have S&T coaches on what's on now too, and, you know, there's definitely a lot of effort going on in the study of numbers, so hopefully we'll see the benefits of it in a few, two years' time, but over the last two seasons, we've picked up four very good players side maybe, you know, so if you get that coming through every couple of years, Ben, it's definitely going to save our hurling, you know? Yes, yes, and maybe just on that London trip there, I see there's a big break now three weeks to your next game, as you're saying there, but that trip to London, was there a chance to, you know, when you're in a way, it's a good time for the lads to get together and kind of, about a bonding, but I'm just wondering, was there's a lot of games coming last year? It might have been more a world one stop than a weekend in London, that you could maybe take a bit of time and go together as the lads? No, it was a great beginning, but there wasn't much, no, we bonded and all the rest of the match, the boys had a few drinks, you know, but that stopped as soon as we got to the airport, you know, you got yourself good as a team and we do that now, but I definitely, again, it was good for bonding and it's something that we would need to get to maybe another weekend or two before the championship, it's always good and creates good morale, you know, so there's overalls with the game-bran and the results we really made it, made the boys in good form the way home, so they definitely, we thought it would be a spirit there over there, you know, but as you said, it's a bit of a world one, you're just stopping off the match and they got a couple of drinks, but straight on they're playing home again, so that's been unfairly quite, you know. Yeah, we had a couple of dangerous weekends or cells over there, Mickey, that's what I was asking, we played on the Saturday and it cut loose a few times now, but that was back then things are a bit more serious now, right? Mickey, just on that three-week break, is that unusual for such a break now and what way do you keep training before this Wicklow game in litter, Kenny? Well, what happened then, we weren't supposed to attend meets last week, we actually requested that because Steve and Glaston get married this Friday, so we tried to get that weekend freed up and meet the second request, so that's why we probably should have only a two-week break, you know, but not only good, we're in McGurkup final, which could be fixed over the next two weeks now and between this break, so that'll be a game against Jordanstown, which will be good to get out and look at some boys in the panel, so we'll use that game, but no, it's good to get up and run, we've got, we've picked up three, but that injuries in London, with Danny Collins must yesterday and Chris McDermott, and Steve Glaston, we've gone to look at our third and sixth in London, we were down three of them yesterday, so we'll put them bodies fixed and ready for Wicklow, the two-week break will be well welcomed, you know what I mean? Yeah, great stuff. Listen, Mickey, keep up the good work, fantastic job being done there by you and your lads, the best in the rest of the league and in the championship. Thanks, Brent. Many stuff, many stuff. That's Mickey McCann there, our Heartland banister, taking Donny Goff from strength to strength, and as I said at the top of the show, we're going to look across the GE county scene now in the company of Paul Finlay and Mickey McCann just after these breaks, these advertisement breaks even. Is that right, Joe? He's got his thumb up. The DL debate with sister Sarah's kitchen until 9pm daily in Sarah's kitchen, and there's free admission entertainment every weekend. Island Radio are going to Scotland from Monday the 1st of May to Thursday the 4th of May with the very best of music and we would love for you to join us. 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He's probably showing them that kick against what do you call him, Kildare that day. He's probably showing them what he did. He probably does that a day. He's training himself. He probably shows that a day in every session. I don't know why. Would Paul if I had a kick? Really that and that's all. Paul, yeah. He'll be joining us shortly. Paul, but listen hey, we can shoot the breeze. I know you can shoot the breeze. Paul, yeah. Huge two points for Monaghan yesterday. It was almost do or die stuff, even though it was the third game after Monaghan's two defeats. Paul, so he must be very happy that they come out the right side left victory. Yeah, yeah, it was a huge game. I guess for both teams yesterday, but more probably a wee bit more in it for Monaghan being a home match and drawn blank from the first two outings and really per show, you know, coming back up the road, you know, everybody on the lot of pressure, new management team, you know, the players probably feeling the pressure as well. So probably a little bit more on the line for Monaghan yesterday and I think that's shown through in the last 10 or 15 minutes when Monaghan's needs just seem to be that little bit greater on the show that and there was plenty of appetite from the Monaghan guys. A few substitutes introduced, you know, put on a big show and, yeah, it certainly got Monaghan over the lane. Yeah, and listen, Jack McCarren called back in. I mean, he just seems to be the go-to boy whenever Monaghan are stuck, particularly in the league there and, of course, Stephen O'Hanlon, you know, three points, Jones, one, two, and then, you know, the legs of Darren Hughes and just all he would bring to the game as well. You know, we knew McManus was going to be coming in. Is it Stan? I don't think he was overly needed, but he still, of course, had kicked him a couple of free, settling free as well. So suddenly things looked not too bad for Monaghan. The defeat last week, I mean, they give Armagh a game first day out. Huge defeat to Kerry. I'm trying to figure this out. Paul, because Kerry definitely were out of sorts against us. They beat you by 11 points. Then they get hammered by Mayo. So is it a case that just maybe there's one of them games down in Kerry? I know we all go down there and not expecting that, but it was one of them games maybe Kerry just flexed her muscles and Monaghan well did a little. Yeah, look, there's a few things at play. I think, you know, for most you can get days like that in National League, like, you know, early doors in the season, you know, just whatever reason, you go down to a way of venue and you're thinking, yes, we're good to go and for whatever reason it just doesn't happen and Monaghan probably had one of those. Along the way, they went out with a very inexperienced team. Like there was none of those games that you mentioned below and Kerry, Darren Hughes, Colin McManus, you know, and an issue for Monaghan and it still remains even in the victory yesterday is Midfield. Really sort of you're looking at very inexperienced, you know, guys, you know, I just watched Colin Lennon again for my own club talking out and starting at Midfield against Kerry below and going half back for us like and played, you know, that in that position all through our club championship, you know, never played Midfield and yet Vinny was forced almost because he didn't have anybody else to throw Colin into the middle and, you know, Killian LaValle is relatively new. He's a couple of seasons under his belt, but, you know, it's just when you go down to a, you know, a place like Killarney, you know, Kerry reeling off a defeat to yourselves, you know, just turned it on and found Monaghan a wee bit vulnerable and they really put them to the sword. So, you know, you come back up the road and you're licking your wounds and training. It has to be better that week and everybody knows that there's a big game coming home match in Clonus and all of a sudden, you know, you get a wee bit of bounce from the crowd and, you know, Monaghan did get to, you know, got the scores that were needed then, you know, towards the end of this year. He was just had a massive presence. He really made his presence felt in the game, I thought, from the very start and particularly coming into that last quarter himself and Beggen with a few, you know, great kickouts and McManus, you know, just coming on. Yeah, he may not have been needed. Sean Jones was probably equally as good coming in. Jack, you know, he pulled up in the first play against our mass, so we hadn't seen him, you know, this year, but back, back on the field, I wasn't sure whether to expect him yesterday, but it was a huge plus to see him starting for Monaghan and he certainly not seven, you know, between freeze and marks and from, from play, you know, he had a massive, massive game. So that that's really where the where Monaghan got the victory yesterday was a couple of key guys and sprinkled in with it. It's good to see some new faces out there, but look, good victory, much needed victory, a wee bit of a boost to the whole setup and, you know, they can look forward to Ross Common at home this week. Yeah, certainly not seven. The man used to wear seven. Kevin Cass, we were joking there, Cass, good to hear from you, Cass, we were joking, you kicked that, you're down training the wee boys, you showed them that point against Kildare at the end of their training session. Is that what you're talking about? That's what I got the idea from. That's right, you're out Sligo IT days. God, that's, I remember joining us a few nights, that was a hairy, hairy assignment. Cass, listen, Paul was mentioning Monaghan being a bit vulnerable there at times. I don't know, Cass, I haven't seen a vulnerability in a long time in our defence the way it is now, you know, man for man or, you know, collectively defending as a team, well, he's going forward, Kevin, and we've big men round the middle, but certainly when a team gets a run on us or teams are attacking us, you know, we just seem to be so wide open and it won't bam us back, obviously, but Ashing Gallon and Langing as well, but it's even a forward attacking type player, Kevin, how did you read into that game yesterday? Because we will do well in half time and a few minutes in the second half, we went a couple of points up, but Monaghan completely destroyed us. Yeah, like he'd be happy enough for the first half to be, and obviously being a point up and maybe kicked a few wades, you know, but then Monaghan definitely got a grip, especially around the middle of the field and, you know, over towers and over ranners, but then, you know what, as well, do we, we spoke about, I think I was the last time I was on, I used myself in the iron kerin a couple of months ago, and we spoke about this to be, but the defeats of Donny Gallon are going to face going forward, because we've been here for 12, 14 years here, not alone club level, but every club team in the county who are playing blanky defence, so we don't have the guys who have gone through their careers, been coached to manmark, and we are going to struggle at that for a while, like, you know what I mean, there's no, there's no shine away from it, and you can't blame the young guys that are there, because they've come through new teams, and it's just been the way, it's been so successful for Donny Gallon, it worked out, I think it's going to take a wee bit of time, and it's going to take the club teams to get away from that, before we can, we can go at that man-to-man stuff again. Yeah, yeah, there's a few problems there, Kess, and even Joe, we're saying you're kind of sight, but he's here looking like you're going to fall off the screen, maybe you can swing yourself around. He's going to slide off there on his ball, but Kess, just on that point, you know, if we don't have to take people, then we have to form a system, you know, and I know we talk about conveyor belts, the talent of players coming through, and we still have injuries, and lads are just coming back in it, but if we are a bit vulnerable at the back, then we need to form a very tight unit, I mean, I was known big, Saturday night, I mean, the way Derry defend as a team now, one to one, they're all serious, and you can see there's a lot of work done on training, but as a team, the shape is perfect, but if we are, if we are a bit suspect at the back, one-on-one? I think that's the big thing for Paddy Chad, and I think, listen, there's no, they're bound to be working on this stuff to be, but it just takes time, do you know what I mean? Like, we can't, if we're not good enough to go man-to-man, then we can't just leave the boys hanging out to dry. We have to have a kind of system, but again, that takes time, and you're not at now, a couple of big players just getting up to the pitch of things, Lange's just back in, so I think it will take time before we see the proper done. One thing I was delighted with, and even though against her own, we tried it as well, and we gave a few away. We're trying to kick the ball to be, we're trying to play a different style, but again, that leaves us a way to expose the back, but I'm hoping that through time, and maybe another two points here or there could see the boys safe, and it would keep going with the system, you know? Yeah, I suppose well, Paul, the home thing, you know, it's straight away you're looking at Donny Gaul thinking we're in serious trouble here, now you were still on two, you're on two, two owns on two, so there's still an opportunity there, and I was just thinking about, you know, these two home games, if you were to conjure up a victory, I mean, how big was like the home venue for you and Clonus, and that grows in stretch in terms of the crowd getting up, it's, it's huge. It's absolutely you couldn't talk Kylie enough of it like, and it's very hard to sort of measure it, but just the feeling that was there, and, you know, from the very start, Rory Beggin kicks a couple of massive frees, which are bonus scores in any game from outside the scoring zone, 50 metres, and he puts them straight over the bar, straight away, the crowd are up, and they're getting behind the team, and there's a good feeling that they're going to be able to make it through the game, you know, it was just nipping tuck, there was nothing in it, you were thinking who's going to grab a spell here, a goal in the game was going to be huge, and I suppose, you know, looking back at the game, you be foolish to think that maybe eight points about our team, because I really don't feel that they are, and Dunigaw would have a few to come back in, you know, a few lads, as well. So you're looking at a completely different game, if that was the case, so Manohan sort of rolled their luck on that occasion, and then ended up, you know, going up the field, putting a real squeeze on Sean Patton's kick-out, I thought, Manohan probably in the second half particularly, you've seen Rory Beggin coming out and filling the big space on one flank, and Darren Hughes on the other, and Sean Patton was struggling to find a man, and there was a couple of times, you know, Manohan really just got scores, got quick scores off of Dunigaw kick-out, and then that was game over, like three, four points up, and there was no way back for Dunigaw, so that's how finally balanced it is. I do feel that both teams still have their work cut out to remain in division one, as I talked about, Manohan have their issues at midfield, and that's where you like them. There's some interesting players that Manohan were able to introduce yesterday, and it gives you some optimism, you know, going into later on in the year, where if you were to think of Sean Jones, Jack McCarren, Colin McManus, Young O'Hanlon, all on the pitch at the same time, in really good Nick, you know, that would be a potent forward line for any team, and it would give you a little bit of encouragement for Manohan to be played. The home venue is key, and Manohan, as I say, have Ross Carmen coming to Clonus next week. They've had a brilliant start, but no better way to clip their wings, shall we say, than a trip up the Clonus, and Manohan should be buoyed from the performance yesterday, and gain a little bit of confidence, and they could easily notch another two points from that one. Yes, indeed. Looking a bit more ahead, are you in the process of moving to a new bank? Maybe you already have. 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Paul was just saying there about that gold chance of Jamie Brennan, just before we close off this game. Could we have been talking about something different tonight, if that had one done, would there been something there? Let's say we even took a draw with Kevin Musser, you know a capitulation, six points in a row followed after that and really Donegal, maybe as Paul was saying before, both teams a bit brittle and something like that where a spell mountain get at home, Donegal and the game went away from us. 100% like you know, it's just the game manages and that goes in Divi and you know we know that Monahan are under pressure from the game, we know Donegal are under pressure from the game. That hits the net, you know and the crowd then maybe added pressure from Monahan, you just don't know and then once Monahan going to start rattling off the points, obviously the crowd get behind you and like the two teams at the minute are a bit brittle but you know obviously then just took the game with the scuffle after that, a small piece of luck however you want to put it but definitely we could have been speaking about something there because there's not that much of a gap between the two teams so without a doubt Donegal could have been talking differently this weekend. Yes, yes indeed boy indeed, yes I'm twiddling a few knobs here, Joe Dex has got me learning the system here so you bear with me man, there's a lot of buttons in front of me here You should be well used to the Dex That's been a while, Joe Dex the very VMA we're just looking through I was queuing up because we were talking to a Patty Carr after the game and he's you know just on about we need a learning process and we need to basically dust ourselves off and go a game cast but you know I'm still looking for the tactics and that you know I mean it's alright kind of giving it a go kind of talking you know we'll give it all and stuff to get but we really need to suppose I think some kind of process of play in there to see how we're going to shore up our problems and our problems you know we're definitely at the back as he says shipping 120 but say after the match Auscheen caught up with him in the game, here's what he had to say I'll get him up here now if you have a good man Joe I'll put them under pressure here time and we missed an awful lot of chances and just at this level you're always being punished over that and you know we came out and just that same thing that happens as last we just didn't kick on when things were or you know the second half there look it was very disappointing we're not there's a lot of soul searching going on inside there and that's the way it has to be there are a good bunch of lads they're very upset with themselves about the way they let that game get away from themselves and it just seemed to come down to it just like we were looking back there through a lot of the opportunities and scores that Manon got and it came true that issue of us allowing the ball to be turned over like there's a few lads out there turned over four or five times and division one you're punished all the time for that yeah 11, 9, up 10 minutes under the second half and he was remotoring well at that stage but then all of a sudden Manon just had you for six in the bounce yeah and look you know that little bit of we always knew at this level if you can get ahead put a bit of distance we just didn't put Manon in the place that we wanted to put them and I suppose you know the ball coming off the crossbar there that would have put a wee bit of distance between us and that didn't happen you know but look you know we played two very strong teams in Turone and Kerry and you know that is not something that we're happy about at all and we've absolutely no option but the kick on there's a lot of points still to be got in the in this league yet we're not in any way feeling sorry for ourselves even though we are hurting a good bit but we just have to get up and get ready and get going and make sure that the heads are right for what's going to come at us next week Keas what do you think about Paddy there he says there's a lot of points to play for where are you targeting now I mean ultimately you're looking at your home games I mean Galway even with players missing had too much for Turone who completely bossed us the week before there's a question of just trying to get that crowd later Kenny behind you and then having to go with Mayo who again had a brilliant performance against Kerry at the weekend like are where are you seeing possible points coming out of this I mean people are thinking maybe it could come down the awesome last comment on the last day anything but at the minute with the Rassies you know so where do you think we can get points to get out of this relegation trouble and stay in the division yeah well first of all I don't think Paddy spoke about soul search and I don't think dad's need to soul search as much I think you know and you know here in Dunningall Divi we're quick to get on on teams backs but I think we need to afford the guys a wee bit of such a important time here and I agree with you we need to get behind them as much as we can and I actually see this weekend Divi is the one where we need to lay down a marker like Galway they are obviously last year's finalists and they're going well but like they're still missing Comer, Wallace and Finnard today do you know what I mean so you need to be you need to be targeting this weekend and there should be a sting in the tail for the boys listen we're going to let our Kenny I know our records not great there even against Galway in recent years but I'd be targeting this one Divi because if you don't manage to get a result this one then it does start to really really look bad for us and the pressure will start to build so if I was inside the camp I'd be looking at turn it around this weekend immediately yeah yeah and Paul for yourselves now I mean good buzz in the county you know there was obviously Vinny Corey coming in it looked like yous were a bit in transition yous have flirted with relegation every season the last couple and again it was looking that way again Paul but listen it's a it's a shot now at Ross Common who you know they've won the matches well they're playing well but they're certainly not unbeatable beatable side views particularly how you financed that game against Donny Dogg give you a great heart going into that match yeah yeah well I just would not be I'd be very I think Monahan's very much maybe like Donny Gaul and in the same you guys more injury concerns maybe Paddy McBrady like it's going to be a huge loss to your own huge Orion you know still to come back and it's looking maybe like championship maybe before you see him so that they're huge huge losses Monahan we're very much wanting to give Vinny at some time and I think the Monahan supporters need to give him give him some time to try and build a new team maybe there's still a good sprinkling of experience within the squad which has probably helped them yesterday and you know it's always better when you have a good Spain and a good few lads that have been around for a while you know added into a lack of young fellas so that the mix was good yesterday but I still feel I would not feel like Monahan are on the up flick or they've sort of because I just feel that that game could have on another day you know could have been a draw could have ended up in a one or two point defeat so there's nothing more to talk about other than a good boost a morale boost a good boost for the team and the squad you know that they've been working hard I'm sure since they got started up before Christmas looking forward to getting going in the National League under a bit of pressure from the very start two defeats from two matches so it's nothing more than just a little bit of a boost they go ahead and beat Roscommon this weekend of course then you can start to think okay we really have a great chance now of avoiding the drop and maybe doing something even better but whatever is about Monahan that they're just resilient they're not go down without a fight and so that's all you can ask for you know Vinny's bound to be thrilled today with how the team bounced back from that carry defeat you know there was no you know you could see that the energy in the team they were playing for them they were battling as hard as they possibly could and when you when you have a Monahan team doing that the crowd and the supporters will get behind you and push you on and it certainly helped yesterday and no doubt it'll help next weekend and if they can get that performance and get a victory there they'll be in a good place but in the more long term you know you certainly just are still looking at breeding a lot of new fellas in the team there's a wee guy in there I have to ask you about David Garland I covered Jordanstown in UCD he was absolutely phenomenal I think he had three four on the night as good as forward was the performance as I've seen what's the story with him yeah so he's not in the panel he's I think he's cited study commitments and the possibility of going way later on in the year maybe to the US so David has been in and out of the Monahan panel even in Banti's time he was phenomenal in the Monahan championship last year like he ended up at top score and granted there was some relegation games and all that in there and he scored heavily in those but he's absolutely outstanding like you know for a guy small in stature he kicks freeze from way way outside where he should be kicking them from and he's a credit for some reason it just has never happened for him in a Monahan jersey like you know has he been giving enough time he could maybe argue that he hasn't I've sort of seen him a few times he's been in early in the year and just seems to have drifted for you know maybe he's just not feeling it and not feeling that he's getting enough game time and he gets a wee bit pissed off and decides look I'm not going to hang around here which is probably not what you need we all know that you need to hang in there and maybe stick in and you know wait for things to happen especially as a forward so we but disappointing that he's not in there with the quality that he has but you know he has had chances on for what is he Paul he's still quite young yeah he be God maybe just mid 20s maybe 20s right I thought he was even younger now you know but no no no David Garland has been hanging around now he has been around for the scene for a while on the basis of that performance I'm looking at thinking if he was a dunny guy I'd be like put him in the team like he was absolutely unmarkable you know and listen there was loads of county players around him in it but he stood out he stood out a mile certainly and certainly a guy I suppose as you said sometimes things just don't fit in certain teams and you kind of have to wait it out and wait for your right chance and then stick a claim but what the talent I've seen of him that Paul it's amazing that that hasn't happened for him it's a well it is you're not the only one now even around Malahan what you know his name would be mentioned and I know within his own club mates and team that would be maybe a bit bewildered as to why maybe more has not been done to hold David in the squad but yeah I'm not close enough to know other than that yes he certainly has the talent but you know there's a lot of other things that's needed you know other than the talent just to you know the commitment and the sacrifices etc so I just can't comment whether all of that's part of the package so you know but it certainly is a loss like when you don't have talent like that within your squad now but outside of that like Malahan would be and always have been in my time you know having everybody that's available to him in the squad Stephen O'Hanlon dropped out for a year or two and he's backing now and you can see that the impact he's making he's gay with serious pace and you know a gay with pace like that and any team can always do harm and he certainly he hurt Donegal yesterday you know scoring 0-3 from play and he was everywhere in the game to be fair to him and you know if there was a man on the match going he would have been right up there yeah I think that's a wider question Paul right players that maybe don't want to come out there and necessarily want that lifestyle it is something that's happening as well I mean one of our own best for Shane O'Donnell has opted out for something similar this season and listen that's that's up to them it's an amateur game but there's certainly two lads that are missed by the county lads we're nearly right up I've only thrown another question or two do you just off the back of a Colm O'Rourke just a minute and a half from Colm O'Rourke from from Saturday night I was up in Ohmbeg if yous will hang on and we'll close out the show with that after these breaks all right The DL debate with sister Sarah's letter can serving food you'll love till 9pm daily in Sarah's kitchen and there's free admission entertainment every weekend we at Highland Radio love Irish music and we want to show our support throughout Irish Music Month this 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this is it Cas you need I need to go back to the dex days here we're going to get a word from Colm here somewhere if I can click him up you got a bear with me I'll be a natural of this soon Cas you know what they won't take too long I'll face you they'll be I'll face you but listen as I say it was an absolute annihilation and this Derry looking so so good it was kind of it was kind of frightening that the two teams are in the same league now he doesn't want to talk to us do you know what he gets such a skin in hey he's not going to speak but Cas I was I was just looking at the naivety of meath in this game you know and I know Colm O'Rourke threw back the old school and he wants to kick the ball and he like all of us we hate the fans and we want to go around it but you need a certain talent to do that you know and like as I say Derry were drilled and just was like it was like an embarrassment and we can hear from Colm now for a second Derry were clinical in their execution but we weren't at the races anyway in a lot of play in the first half so Derry sort of overrun us I was quite happy with the reaction from the lads in the second half and they showed a lot of spirit and fight but like in reality the game was over well before half time back to a lot of old habits bad habits were playing the ball crossfield and we weren't getting players in front of the ball and we weren't doing a lot of the things that we have tried to do in other games but when you have an inexperienced team that's these sort of things happening we're going to have to persist and learn from tonight and try and be better the next day it's a long hill for us to climb but we're going to work hard I had our good lads they're very committed we certainly won't be giving up on it but we got a heart lesson in the realities of top flight football a heart lesson in top flight football I don't know what Colmaroo was expecting going to Derry I mean we've seen what Derry do exactly what they did it again to Mith you know it was as if Mith were dropping players back but they were going man to man the Derry guys were pulling wide and leaving huge gaps they were going through and the Dillery and the Derry stayed compact their tackling was good and it was just a team on another level I mean it looked more like against four I was watching obviously watched Mith this last couple of weeks and Colm took over again his idea and where he's coming from he wanted to go back to traditional football but then when you come up against a tactician like Rory Gallar I guarantee he picked Mith apart and said listen guys we're just going to go to town on these boys because I like the idea and I do like the idea of open expansive football but like we spoke about we have to have some element of tactics or structure or system to keep you you know from shipping heavy scores and 100% you know Rory works the same way I do like he's he would have sat down and he would have picked Mith apart the way they were going to sit up the way they were to play the holes they were going to leave and Derry just took them to pieces you know and Paul you know Derry like you're looking for they obviously came up short in the semi-final last year they looked a bit ordinary in that semi-final but you know they've this McAvoy fella in the fallback now which allows Brandon Rogers to play up the pitch you know they've fellas like Lothan Murray you know Niall Lothan players from that minor all Ireland one inside and it's starting to come through and now Derry do look like they've possibly options to back up Shea McGuigan they're looking at a very very dangerous prospect at the moment because that was as good as I suppose a modern day football performance as I've seen yeah I know that about it and as Cass says there like you know no better man than Rory to drill them and he certainly has them you know we all sort of figured that if a guy could go up into Derry and get all the guys that are available to him or to the county playing and playing together and fighting for the Derry jersey that they're forced to be reckoned with and that's exactly what he's done so look I wasn't a bit surprised you know maybe the margin of defeat but you know you just felt that you know me coming off two good victories and playing football and scoring scoring plenty of goals like you knew rightly that they were going to run into a brick wall in Derry and would they be savvy enough to get around it and they weren't and they were showing they were well shown out you know out of you know they were well out of their league really you know and Derry so what about Derry there's a team to beat in Ulster you know purely based on you know the strengths that they showed last year and you know they've improved again and it's purely tough to just keep putting it at the door he's just you know continues to drill them really well they're playing to a structure they're playing to a plan every day they go out and you can see them you can see them going well later on in the year as well just down to the fact that you know what it'll be a big sort of a challenge for them to try and get out of division one you know and it'll be a silly task to do that with Dublin down there as well and a few tough games to come but they're certainly doing everything that you'd like to see in your county team playing to a structure they're fighting to nail for positions and everything else so they're flying Derry and you know it'll be interesting to see can they get to go a couple of steps further is it within their grasp to win in all Ireland and yeah the quality and the forward line you know we just have to wait and see later on how that's developing but you know that they're certainly they're looking good at the moment Paul listen you're close to me there you know is there something in me that can get them back to this top table obviously call more work do you know he was there actually Sean Boylan was there involved in the back room team I couldn't believe it I seen him in the last time maybe you were aware of that I wasn't you know so I suppose they're throwing back to the great glory years and I'm sure when you were growing up Paul you would have seen that me team that was just looked like they would always be around the top they've fallen off and they've never able to get back I suppose the big thing for them they want to compete with Dublin that is the number one type of team that we've seen until last night they're a long way off that although Dublin of course themselves are maybe a small bit out of sorts but certainly still that me squad looked like they were way off a challenge against Dublin yeah no I would know quite I'd bet about me football I work with Mark O'Reilly you know former Mead All-Ireland winner and all-star that you probably maybe bumped into along the road unfortunately yes you're so proud of football county and you know they're rich history of all-Irelands and great teams and look I was delighted to see Colm coming into the role of great time for him as an analyst and as a player before that and you know he talks he talks with the game so it's well you'd love to see him do well but I think it's wishful thinking that you know something's going to just happen on the back of Colm being in and you know he's going to wave the wand and even Sean Boyland for that matter and you know you're looking from the spend two or three four five years there maybe and try and just build and build and build it's just not going to happen you know over one season and you know yes there's a good quality of player there but they're just haven't been at the top table for so long and you know those guys are going to have to work extremely hard they had a harsh lesson above in Celtic Park or up in Owen Begg you know that don't be the first team and don't be the last to get a lesson up there it's a difficult place to go any time or at any stage of the year so it was a harsh lesson they're looking to make improvements this year it'd be good for them to finish sort of you know maybe challenge to get out of the vision too if they don't get out of there they're looking to make improvements on where they were last year championship and you know make incremental changes and see the trend moving in the right direction I think is what they need to see over the next period of time but you know about the man they call him to do it and you'd fancy them to improve at worst case as the year goes on yeah good man yourself Paul great round up lads, just last question our underage structure the fallout something we got us sort out and pretty quick because we're looking to end up on a good news story you know and I just think at the minute you know Donegal football you know even the announcement from the county board about McBurdy and the late fitness test and that and there just seems to be some strange stuff coming out from our county board we really need to it's a time to pull together certainly and start I suppose producing and getting good players through from our from our underage academy yeah that's the point and to be like you know nobody I suppose knows the film story there's bits and pieces coming out left right and centre but somebody as you said somebody has to you know take the lead here and and get things back in track because like you look at our 20s to be look at our 17s we're not physically developing as well as other teams are doing around this so unless we fix it quickly we're going to fall behind you know behind other counties so listen whatever needs to happen even the whole carry on around the management this year how long it took and the secrecy and all this kind of stuff you know there just has to be more transparency I think yeah transparency great cast it's the time to pull together for sure listen that's great round up Kevin Kass there Guidoor and Dunagall star and of course Paul Finlay Monhan and Bally Bay and champs of Monhan and the two Paul I have to give you the G up for that but you're still weaving that left wand of a thought of yours you're holding me back from the fat club train and like that you can join me in Kass in you can join me in Kass that's brilliant round up thanks so much to the two boys there and of course Joe Dexford producing Head of Sport, Osh in Kelly and let's say we look forward to speaking to you all next week coming up is the Monday night sessions of course the next Monday night sessions with Jimmy and Paul stay tuned for that