 Thing of the first black hole image. Yeah, that was to Katie. Hey, um, well done. She the picture of her from MIT sea sail of her reaction when the image first arrived is priceless. Like that is a picture of pure joy. Uh, and well deserved too. Yeah, that thing has been making the rounds today. First black hole ever pictured. Yep. Remember that movie the black hole? Yeah, Disney one Maximilian loved that movie. I love the ending because it was creepy, but at the same time it's like, what exactly happened there? Yeah, I remember as a kid being like, this is like real space scary stuff. What about Bob? Why did Maximilian and the other guy turn into one thing? That movie's weird. It is. It's a Disney movie. There were several of those where you're like, this is almost scary, but it's Disney. So we were able to rent it. Yeah, but it is scary because like the crew's dead and he reanimated them to run the ship. Well, and I'm not sure how great their science was, but you got the impression of what a black hole was and it was the scariest thing in the universe. The science is not good at all. Bad science. Ask Dr. Katie Bauman. I will. Great fiction though. Yeah, great fiction. Absolutely great fiction. I love that movie. I used to torture my little brother six years younger than me, seven years younger than me, I guess, but I used to run around pretending to be Maximilian by just, you know, shaking my hands like the blade. Dude, that's awesome. I kind of want to, we should, well, that's not probably not the hundred best movies I've ever listed. No, I imagine not. Film sack it, then we could. Yeah, we could totally film sack it. I'm looking for the picture of the woman, the person who created the picture with the expression. Oh, go to at MIT underscore CSAIL on Twitter. MITS. MITC sale. And they just scroll down the latest tweets. They've got the first image anyone ever made of a black hole. Black hole. The black hole. Yeah, that's the hall where the lights are off. No one ever took a picture of it because the lights were off. Lock down there, man. It's the only way to go. Katie said, I'll take a picture of that dark hole. All right. You guys want to talk about cashierless stores and T-Mobile TV? Yes. I do. All right. Well, good. Let's do daily tech news show then. Let's do it. Here we go. Andrew Terry has supported independent tech news directly for about one day. Be like Andrew, become a DTS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. Oh, I'm going to thank Andrew again. It's worth it because sometimes the iPad just decides not to send any audio out. You know, just does that. All right. There we go. Let's start it again in three, two. Andrew Terry has supported independent tech news directly for about one day. Be like Andrew, become a DTS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, April 10th, 2019 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. From Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And from my home, I'm the show's producer, Ed Sheeran. Ed is a lovely Wednesday. We've got some T-Mobile TV news. We've got some rumors about Mac apps. And we've got cash at a cashierless store all coming your way. But let's start with a few other tech things you should know. Sources tell Reuters that Uber will publicly register its stock IPO on Thursday. Uber is expected to offer $10 billion worth of stock, which would make it one of the biggest IPOs ever. And the largest since Elibaba went public back in 2014. Uber stock has expected to begin trading on the New York Stock Exchange in early May. At Google Cloud Next 2019, this just happened, or is sort of happening, taking place this week, Google launched several updates to G Suite, including Google Assistant integration and beta, which allows scheduling a meeting during a current meeting using a voice command. New features also include add-ons from companies like Box and Workfront, live captions and headed, excuse me, are headed to Hangouts Meet, and a sort of a live streaming feature that can support up to 100,000 viewers. Oh boy, is going to go live to the public. G Suite now works seamlessly with Microsoft Office files as well. US-based Subcom said it will lay submarine internet cable connecting Australia to Hong Kong through Papua New Guinea by 2022. It would be the most direct link yet between Australia and China, and would include connections to the Solomon Islands, which previously were promised by Huawei before Australia blocked that effort. Subcom's cable would make any future Huawei efforts unnecessary. And Facebook announced several updates Wednesday designed to reduce the reach of content that it considers harmful. Among them, Facebook groups that, quote, repeatedly share misinformation will show up in the news feed less often. Facebook will also take into account overall popularity outside of Facebook when determining a news feed promotion. A feature called Click Gap will also compare how many links to a website appear on Facebook versus on the broader web. Let's talk a little more about some discoveries about what apps might be coming to macOS. Well, thanks to 9 to 5 Mac, they've confirmed evidence found by developer Steve Trout and Smith that Apple is working on a standalone music and podcast app for the macOS platform, along with the TV app and Apple announced that recently. So it makes sense to go there. 9 to 5 Mac, rather, also says a redesigned books app with an interface similar to the iPads is on its way to macOS as well. I don't know who's reading their books on that screen. But anyway, 9 to 5 Mac sources say iTunes will stick around as it's really the only way to sync older devices at this point, but potentially big changes coming to that platform. Yeah, so we knew TV app coming to macOS makes sense that the music and I'm glad to hear podcast would get their own app on macOS, just like they have on iOS. But this does seem to be, if not a nail in the coffin, certainly the beginning of the construction of a coffin for iTunes. I will not miss it. iTunes has been very good to me over the years. I understand that lots of different content goes under the iTunes umbrella for reasons that are not known to anybody, even people who work at Apple. And we've all gotten used to it. But I've said for years, iTunes is a terrible name. The podcast should have its own app. The music should have its own app. This is something that I pay for music. Podcast is a whole different thing. They rarely overlap at all. And iTunes is the worst name for any of them. Yeah, I kind of agree with that. And I feel like we've been thinking about that for a very long time. iTunes hasn't really been, quote unquote, the iTunes of old for a very long time. It's way too used for way too many things. In fact, the minute they started adding video content of any kind, that's when I went, okay, well, it's still music app. Like, what are we doing? Let's have some separation of powers here. But all of that aside, the only thing I might miss as a podcaster who for a lot of my production I use on the Mac side, and just because this is what we used over the years, I organize a lot of sound files, just thousands and thousands and thousands of sound songs and various things I use for shows in playlists that I control through iTunes. I barely use iTunes for actual music other than Apple Music when I move over to that tab, but I'm using it almost entirely for production reasons. So now's the time for me and people like me probably to just start hunting around for a good alternative for organizing actual hard files instead of this cloud world we're moving into. And there's lots of options, lots of open source options out there for that aspect of it. I think that's what I'm glad to see is, it seems like Apple is acknowledging that iTunes was Chimera. It was a monster. It did not deserve to live, and they're slowly breaking it apart. I think somebody in the biocast said, what about syncing and back-upping and restoring my phone? Which you can do to the cloud, but a lot of people want to do that locally. Apple could easily make a sync app for your devices. That'd be great if they did that, then there really wouldn't be much of a need for iTunes anymore. I also thought it was intriguing. Drew Nielsen in our chat room suggested, maybe they'll make these new apps available for Windows too as they get more into services. Yeah, and it'd be probably better than the Cluj, which was iTunes on Windows. Not to say that that couldn't have been improved or something, but if I'm an Apple Music user and I like their music service, but I'm using PCs primarily and I want to be able to play my music there, how nice would it be to at the very least have a nice web interface? That's where I think Apple should move, but if they're going to give a standalone app, fine, make good, solid standalone apps that work on more platforms than your flagship. Yeah, the iTunes brand always kind of reminded me of the idea of podcasts being named after the iPod. I mean, that is way old, but it just stuck. Yeah, and it was easier to kind of use that because you knew that people understood, oh, okay, yeah, that's where digital music or podcasts or variety of things, video as well, is going to go. I think it kind of took Apple this long to be able to say, like, we have a roadmap, and iTunes, you know, where people will now understand this with all of the other services that we're offering. So sorry to see you go. There's the door. Yeah, get out. Get out. Still want to hit behind you. T-Mobile announces home internet TV service based on its acquisition of Layer 3 TV called T-Vision Home. Get it? TV, T-Vision Home. It'll launch on April 14th, starting at $90 per month with more than 150 channels. It's a pretty big offering. The service does require hardware from T-Mobile that costs $10 per connected TV and is only available in eight rather big major U.S. markets, at least for now. The Set.Box includes a one terabyte DVR, voice control, and apps like Netflix and Pandora. Soon, Amazon Prime Video will be coming to the platform as well. T-Mobile for streaming to mobile devices in the home and eventually apps on connected TV devices as well. The company is also prepping a separate, wireless nationwide streaming service set to debut later this year. Now, in related news that upset me greatly, YouTube TV is raising its monthly price to $50 per month for all customers. Why? Well, it's signed a multi-year deal with Discovery. Whether or not you want Discovery stuff or not, it's going to raise your price. That includes the Discovery Channel, HGTV, Food Network, TLCID, Animal Planet, Travel Channel, and Motor Trends. OWN, that's Oprah's Network, will also launch on YouTube TV by the end of 2019. So all these streaming services are raising their prices. T-Mobile is getting in the game by giving you an even more expensive service with box rental, but no creeping fees, no hidden fees. It's $90 a month from the time you subscribe until someday in the future. They're not going to slowly raise it like the cable companies do. I feel like the TV vision is really targeted right now at people who have cable, as a way to say, instead of paying $100, pay $90. And it's all familiar because we'll give you a box and it'll have a DVR and all that. That's what every service says. Hey, how much do you pay for cable? That's crazy. Let us offer you a wildly discounted rate. The second part is really important. We'll save you money and you'll still get a DVR and all of this stuff, right? Like, that's the important part for the people who have cable who are like, I don't understand Roku's and Apple TVs and stuff. Just give me something familiar and then save you money. Well, and that's why it's $90 rather than $50. Right, right. And two days ago, my mother called me and says, do I want to get Apple TV or do I want to get Netflix and I need to cancel my Internet? Obviously, all of those things are opposed to one another and they don't make sense because she doesn't understand. But I'll tell you what she wouldn't understand, this package. This would make perfect sense to her. It would cost her less. It means a remote and a box and her TV and she understands it. We'd still have to convince her how the Internet works and all that. But I think there's a market there. Transitioning away from cable or still with cable and want to save, save a couple of bucks a month or something, I think it's there. But for me, for you and for the cynical cord cutters of the world, I don't think this is of any interest to any of us. It's not to me anyway. I don't see anything in here that I would want to get to. I mean, yeah, they're eventually going to have an app for Roku and Apple TV and such. Maybe it'll be more compelling then, but I don't know. I'm very, very curious how that's going to work, especially if they're renting you a box most of the time. Can you get it without the box someday if they get that app? Right. Just it's a little weird. Oppo announced the Reno standard edition or Renault 10x zoom edition and the Reno and or Renault 5G smartphones on Wednesday. R-E-N-O 6.6 inch Renault 10x zoom has a 93.1 percent screen to body ratio for its AMOLED display in display fingerprint reader, fast charging and a 4065 milliamp hour battery. There's also a member of Vlad Savov on Monday explaining the periscopic zoom in Huawei. They've got one of those in the Oppo too. It's a 10x zoom periscope inside as well as the pop-up camera that pops up for selfies. That's the thing that pops up out of the top of the phone. And Oppo says that can handle 100 uses a day for five years. So it should be pretty durable. It also has fall detection to retract automatically if you drop the phone. The little periscope or the little pop-up will just go right back inside automatically. The 6.4 inch Reno standard edition also has the pop-up selfie camera. The standard edition comes to China April 19th. The 10x zoom in mid-May and a European launch event is scheduled for April 24th with more details about launches there. R-Is there much room on the fence about a pop-up camera? This is probably the future because nobody likes the notch, Sarah. We can't have the notches. We've got to have the notches. I know, but as somebody who drops her phone, which is also my camera, very often, and that's just part of my life because some of us are klutz's, this whole sort of like, it will retract upon understanding that's falling. Would like to see that. Somebody make a YouTube video of that, please, so that I understand how this works. But otherwise, these specs are kind of great. This is like a, this is like a super phone camera. Yeah, it seems nice. I mean, I even like the name. The Oppo is a cool name. So bring it over here. We're not getting this though, are we, Tom? No, I don't know. I think it's believable that the Oppo is going to retract because the accelerometer can tell that it falls. I still, I'm more skeptical of the 100 uses over five years. I think that thing's going to break. 100 uses doesn't seem like a, that doesn't seem like, well, whatever. If you're buying a camera that you're going to be doing a lot of selfies on, this thing's going to break. Also 100 selfies. Well, they're trying to say it's got way more than you'd ever need. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, and, and again, all of these specs sound great to me. I'm like, this is like an ideal situation for some. Oppo makes really good phones. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. Next look at that. I don't know. Who knows? Well, Sony now lets anyone on its PlayStation Network change their username. The feature launched back in beta. This was back in October. I remember when this first happened and I didn't really need to do it. So I didn't, but anyway, you get one free name change. Okay. So you can go do this once. If you've got a name older than the change, if you've done it since then, you're kind of stuck with what you have or you have to pay for it. But anyway, after which it costs you $9.99 every time to $4.99 if you're a PlayStation Plus subscriber. So they give you a little bit of a break there. You can also keep your old name so that it can revert or you can revert to it for free. Keep in mind, while most games released since April 1st, 2018, will work with your new username, there are some known issues with older games. And I'm told some unknown issues still. That sort of thing is really hard to track down, especially when we were talking about a multi-generational username and system and database that is finally getting an update, but is clearly out of date and they needed to make changes to it. But yeah, expect some problems if you're playing older games, I guess. I mean, I guess this is for the person who created a really funny username on PlayStation Network when they were in high school and now regrets it. Is that mostly the target audience? Kind of, I think so. I mean, there's also just in general, if you hear that, oh, you can change that name that I made in 2003, maybe that just sounds fun just to refresh it. But yeah, for the most part, I think it's what it is, is it's kind of playing catch up because other services have had this for a while. Nobody was really sure why it was this. A lot of people have sort of done a little bit of homework and decided that Sony just had really bad back-end decisions in the early days. Yeah, they didn't do enough coding to prepare. Exactly. And it was early days that they just weren't ready for this. So now that they're doing it, I think it's cool. They offer a free one. The fact that they charge for them after that is a little weird. I think that that should just be a thing. To just reduce people from doing constant name switching, I guess. I guess that's true. Anyway, good luck, Sony. Netflix is launching a comedy radio station to air on Sirius XM Radio Channel 93, beginning April 15th. The channel will be called Netflix is a joke. It'll feature excerpts from Netflix comedy specials, which include the likes of performance like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, Ellen DeGeneres, and Jerry Seinfeld, among others. So cream of that comedy crop. There will also be an original daily show featuring celebrity guests and comedians discussing pop culture and the hot topics of the day. Netflix still does DVDs and now it's doing radio. Now that everybody was sort of like, Sirius XM, what are they doing? I am a subscriber to Sirius XM. I am not the only one. It may or may not have come at a greatly reduced price when I leased my new car. It is a great satellite radio subscription to have. Honestly, if you have it, you love it. If you don't have it, you don't miss it. Satellite radio subscription in the United States, as far as I know, since they merged, right? Yeah, I think so. So this is something that I would absolutely have in my favorites in my car. But I also, that's the only place that I listen to this. And it is still a little strange that it's Netflix, but I don't know what you guys think. I mean, good to point out that Sirius XM radio is not just in the car. I think that's probably a lot of people's perception. It also has apps now. So you can listen to it on your phone. Oh, yeah. But you have to be a subscriber to it. So it's kind of a morphing into a music service, but with talk radio as its driver. It's a little bit weird. I'm curious where they evolve. But it's also just weird, this whole idea of Netflix promoting their comedy TV content through the radio. I can't tell if it's silly or genius or both. Well, here's what I hope they do. And I don't know if they're doing this or if this is a step toward doing that. But when I watched those two Dave Chappelle specials that came to Netflix, they were fantastic. And I wanted to take them with me and have them with me more than just visually on a screen. I want to be able to put them in my ears and listen while I'm running or whatever. And the problem is they didn't distribute it to anybody in that regard. So this is the first example of that. And one would assume that one, since it's a Netflix exclusive, would show up there. So if I had serious, I'd have a place to listen to that. What I'd really like is if Spotify, Apple Music and other sources like that got these albums or got these in album form. What about just listening to it on Netflix? I mean, it's okay. Sure. I can fire my phone up. So Netflix on, play in the background. I mean, that's, yes, that's a way to do it. But if I could have this part of Playlist and other, because there's tons of comedy content on music streaming services already. I see. It's not even the offline thing, which you could download it. It's wanting to have it mixed in with other things that aren't on Netflix. Well, and Sirius still does a pretty good job, even more than a lot of terrestrial radio these days of the, you know, you've got your VJ, well, your DJ, thinking of video now. But, like, there are often, there's a person that you like, oh, for these two hours, this person's kind of, you know, driving my time here. And it's actually something that I still like because I like the old radio model. I just don't like where a lot of the radio stations that, you know, we get on AM or FM have gone. Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, I think this is an interesting attempt by Netflix. And I'm curious if they'll keep up with it, if it'll work for them. I mean, comedy on the radio though, as Scott has, I think, explained well for us, is something people like to listen to. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. CNBC reported that according to a recording that it obtained of an Amazon All Hands meeting that happened last month, an employee asked, at this All Hands meeting, how Amazon planned to address, quote, discrimination and elitism at the cashierless stores, the Amazon Go stores, which usually charge for purchases by app connected to a bank or credit card. What if you don't have a bank or credit card? Can you not shop at the Amazon Go stores? Remember, the way they work is, you tie a payment system to your Amazon account, you scan your Amazon account as you go in, the store traces you, and as you walk out, it automatically charges you. So you don't have to do anything. You just walk out of the store and it charges you for what you bought. Steve Kessel, who runs physical stores for Amazon, in this recording answered the question by saying the company plans additional payment mechanisms at its Go stores. He pointed out a pilot program on Amazon.com that accepts SNAP benefits in the US. That's what we used to call food stamps. It's expanded beyond that a little bit, but essentially it's a way for people to get subsidized purchasing of groceries and such. And there's a new program called Amazon Cash, which lets people add cash to their Amazon account by going to a drugstore convenience store and basically depositing it into their Amazon account. Kessel said, quote, we're in earlier days, but it's an important focus for us and we'll continue to extend those methods with our stores. Now, at that point, it sounded like, okay, so you can use cash to add it to your Amazon account, but you wouldn't be able to use cash in the store. However, Amazon confirmed to CNBC that yes, in fact, these comments were made at the all hands announcement and said we are working to accept cash at Amazon Go and quote, you'll check out, pay with cash, and then get your change. So that implies some sort of cashier at the cashierless store to take your cash and give you your change. Now, there's only 10 of these in existence. They plan to have a few thousand by 2021, but the reason they're thinking about this is less to do with elitism and more to do with the fact that Philadelphia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts do not allow cashless stores. So if they want to expand to Philadelphia or anywhere in New Jersey or Massachusetts, they have to take cash. And New York, San Francisco, and Chicago are considering similar laws as are other places in the US. So my question to my dear panelists today is, how are they going to do this? Because again, as I described, the point is you scan a little thing, it tracks you, you walk out. If you have to also take cash, let's say they just set up a cashier, they're like, okay, it's cashierless store for most people, but if you want to pay for cash, go over to that guy. Well, suddenly, they have to be able to stop the person who's paying with cash from leaving before they paid with cash, which a passive system that's just automatically charging isn't really set up to do. They do have some actual human being standing around, but I guess they'd have to work security and be able to tell which person is paying by cash and which person isn't before they go inside. It just seems clunky. And if you treated it like, I don't know, the way a lot of toll booths are now, where it's like, just go through, we'll scan your license plate. If you didn't pay, we'll find you later type thing. It's like, Amazon doesn't really want to deal with that. And I don't know if that would satisfy the law, right? Right. I don't know. I mean, does it just turn into a grocery store where, sure, you have a decent amount of security and maybe that whole go cashless facet of it gets diminished because it hasn't had a big enough rollout as of yet for people to be like, well, this is how life is. Yeah, I am a Tom a little bit. It feels like a counter to the whole point of having the store be what it is. The whole idea is walk in. You're magically counted and you leave. And that's the point of it. Now, maybe, I'm not saying they will, but maybe they've got other things in mind that don't involve a human being taking your cash and giving you change. Maybe they've got automated systems that they want to try to employ, not totally unlike a Walmart or Target self-check outline where you weigh everything. The computer tells you how much you pay, you put it in. The problem with those is, they have to have somebody on staff when something goes wrong. So it does feel like they're, this feels counter to the point of the go stores to me. I think they can maybe get around that with some other kinds of automation for cash transactions. But this is not anything I'd think that they or I or anyone else was really thinking about when they were first thinking about this idea. It's a brilliant idea. Walk in, walk out and get out of there. But nobody thinks about how it discriminates, what it means in certain neighborhoods, how it can cause those kinds of problems with people with lesser means. All of that stuff is now kicking in with the 10 stores they have and they're going to have to address it. My hope is it's more automated than not. Otherwise, just have people there in the first place and who cares and maybe- Well, that's the point. There's all kinds of solutions to this that involve it not being an Amazon go store. Right? You can say, oh, everybody can go through a cashier and if they're paying by app, they just scan it. Well, that's like Apple Pay. Then it's not an Amazon. The whole magic of Amazon's go store was I don't have to do anything. I just put stuff in my basket and I walk out. Yeah, right. Done. So to be able to allow people to pay with cash, I don't see any way around this because even if, and I was thinking about this before the show, I'm like, oh, I guess you could say, oh, let me put $20 on a token, right? I hand $20 to a person as I go in and then I scan that and then I walk out and if I've spent $18, I'll take the token back to a person and get my change, right? That would qualify. You'll check out, pay with cash, and get your change. Except what if I walk out with more than $40 worth of goods? Right. So, you know, I mean, there still has to be a way to passively prevent the cash-paying person from taking advantage of the system whose main strength is I am just tracking everyone and I know who they are so I can automatically charge them. If you're paying with cash, you can't automatically charge them anymore. Well, I'm sure the folks at Amazon had a long thought and probably still are about, okay, well, what if we keep things the way that they are and the Philly people, Massachusetts people and parts of New Jersey people just don't get this cool new store feature. And I think that it probably doesn't make enough sense for Amazon to do that because they want to be ubiquitous. Yeah, folks, we are not missing anything here. There's just way too much to think about. So, send us a note. Don't say we missed something. Just tell us what you think. What is that thing that you realized as you were talking about this? Well, they can do this. Feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. Another place to do that is on our subreddit. If you see a story that might catch our eye, you can sub in it and also vote on other stories at DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com. Also on Facebook, Facebook.com. Do we have anything in the mailbag today, Sarah? It's funny you asked, Tom. Yeah, Scott, not Scott Johnson, a different Scott, had some thoughts on Roku. In fact, we had a conversation about new Roku features and how much it mattered to folks. Scott is a big Roku fan and says, one can pick up a Roku for under $100 or a refurb for under $50 and get a superior app experience. And even when their smart TV was new, when the Roku becomes outdated, you just replace that instead of your entire TV. He's making the case that smart TV apps aren't always necessarily the right way to go. Scott says, I can guarantee you, your TV will continue to be perfectly good as along after it's outdated, built-in smart apps become unusable and Roku boxes allow you to still make use of your TV in the way it should have been all along as just a dumb display panel with all the nonsense of smart apps and microphones and cameras and internet connections and spying on what you're watching. Scott says, I bought my TV several years ago and I've never used its built-in apps. Meanwhile, I've gone through two Roku's on it and when my current Roku is no longer sufficient, I just buy another one and continue to use my existing TV until it just completely does. I'm totally with him, by the way, and I just want to say, the only time I ever turned on my TV apps was the last time. They're terrible, generally speaking. I'm sure there's a couple out there that are good. My Samsung TV I bought in part because I was like, ooh, smart apps, never use them ever. Hi, folks. Smart TV apps have been getting better and better. I use my LG WebOS apps quite a bit more these days. And yeah, I'd love to know which ones are great because they were always kind of janky for me. And they used to be. They used to be real janky, but they've been getting a little better. That is not to undermine Scott's point about the Roku, though. In fact, Jenny Josephson, our senior advisor for Daily Tech News Show, wrote back to Scott. It was like, yeah, rock on, brother, because she's used Roku sticks and mailed them to relatives to help set them up as well. So it's good stuff. Also, Jesse, aka hometown rival, wrote in and noted that on Episode 3504, Laura Shin made an offhand comment that she'd never have a smart speaker like an Amazon Echo in her home. She's not the only guest or co-host that he recalls sharing the sentiment and the reason cited almost always come down to privacy concerns. Jesse says, I know Tom uses a few smart speakers in his home, Amazon Echoes, if I remember correctly. I also have Google Home. And I'm curious if privacy is ever a concern for him. I'd also love Sarah and Roger to weigh in on this topic, smart speaker, owner or not. Yeah, part of it is I want to play with them to be able to talk about them on the show, but I have my own opinions about, and as I said to Laura on Friday, I am educated to their limitations and I try to make sure to mitigate those sorts of things. But Sarah, Roger, I know you guys have your own thoughts on this. I think we should ask people to write in and tell us what they think about smart speakers, whether they use them, why, and if they don't, why not. And we'll talk about this on Monday show. I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I have two Sonos Ones, which work like Echoes, although somewhat limited functionality if you're comparing them side by side. But I do have thoughts on this. I often have people who come over to my house who have thoughts on this. And it's actually a pretty fascinating conversation when it comes to the idea of, even if you don't think that your immediate privacy is of a concern, what does it mean down the road when this technology becomes more mature? Yes, I don't have any. I have a Google home, but that's because I have an Nvidia shield. And it's a part of the room that the only time I'm in there, I'm watching TV and the kids are screaming, so the only thing they're going to pick up are screaming kids. So send us your thoughts, feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. We'll talk more about it on that. Thanks to everybody who writes in and gives us feedback every week. We love you all. We also love you, Scott Johnson, for being with us today, besides coughing. Hope you're feeling better. Let folks know where they can keep up with your latest work. I'm feeling much better, although my Echo, I guess, is picking that up and any other secret things we say today. By the way, I use mine mainly to turn lights on and off in my office. So I feel like you guys are going to get a crazy litany of use cases Monday, and I will have to turn, tune in and hear that episode. It's going to be good. There's a lot going on. There's always something going on. So if you want to follow what I'm up to, head on over to frogpants.com. You'll find all of it there, all of it, links to everything. So go check it out. And if you want to follow me on Twitter, you can. I am at Scott Johnson. Folks, you get special episodes, you get episodes early if you're a member of DTNS. Just did an interview this morning with Karen Howe, MIT Technology Review Reporter and Software Engineer about what the hype is about AI, what the truth is about AI. She explains machine learning in a way you'll be able to understand. 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Oh, like class but cash. Oh, that's pretty good. I'm going to have to go ahead and vote for it. So we'll just call it cash, though. We don't need to. Yeah, he has the explainer in the slash, but I think we should. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we would. There's also O-snap. O-snap. Oh, because of food stamps. Okay, yeah, that took me a minute. I think it'll make people think of Snapchat. Yeah, it's what it did with me, too. I'm like, we didn't talk about Snapchat. Oh, right. Right, yeah. Why so serious? Netflix. I like cash warfare. Yeah, that's true. All right, I'm going to use the other one for GDI. What other one? Why always so serious? You're going to use that for good day internet. Yes. Okay, cool. I like it. You know, I'm not saying we have to do it today, but at some point, if we continue to do different titles, good day internet could have a title that's not even related to DTNS in any way. Yeah, that's true. Could be Scott's awesome. Scott has an itch. Don't do that. What was our main thing we said in good day internet? I never can remember. Yeah, it's like this natural cleansing of the brain when you do the part. Yeah, once you do DTNS, it just washes everything out that happened before it. What did we talk about when we came in? I talked about ray tracing. Ray tracing. You did? Right. That was the last thing I talked about. And then you were playing... There was a dog attacking a postal worker. Something sharks sent me. No, you were playing fairly good. He didn't want to attack the leaf blowing guy. Yeah, the word attack is the wrong... He was just, he was aggressive and no one had a good time. There was the Red Dead Redemption 2 song that Tom was playing. I don't think we talked about that in good day internet. Not by the time that I connected. Before even Scott joined the call. Yeah, I heard it. I came in and heard part of it and that was all. Yeah, yeah. Did nobody tell Roger nothing? Nothing. Because he's going to take you down to the old town road. On a horse or in my case, a donkey. Or perhaps a burrow. We talked, thank you, theater monkey. We talked about how various hockey teams got their name. We talked a lot about the Atlanta Flames. That's it. We did. We did. We put that in. And we learned a lot in the process. About sports teams. So much. About civil war history. And why the game? Yeah, you know, nothing says hockey like civil war. Patrick, actually that part of the civil war. Roger, do you prefer donkey, burrow or ass? Well, an ass is a different animal. It's just related to a donkey. No, they're all the same. They were the same, weren't they? No, I thought an ass was specifically an ass. It's a donkey. I think it's a donkey. Yeah. And so it's a burrow. I mean, there might be small minute changes, but I think they're all pretty much the same thing. There's a subgenus that includes donkey and multiple other asses. Multiple other asses? Such as? The wild Asiatic ass. The Mongolian wild ass. The dumb ass. The onager. They're all donkeys. Well, no, not all of them are donkeys. A donkey is an ass, but not all asses are donkeys. Donkey is. I could probably do that. Asses, it's a metric for the Imperial donkey. Oh, nobody pays attention to the metric. There's also the Nubian wild ass. There's the Imperial donkey, Scott. Yeah. And then there's the metric. The Imperial donkey. I mean, nobody could ever remember how many asses in an Imperial donkey, but there are 10 in a metric. It doesn't matter who's ever measuring ass. Well, if it can carry the load, it can carry the road. I don't know. It can walk the road. It can carry the load. Carry the load. It can walk the road. Okay. So we've got something between donkey and horse is what we're saying. A mule. That's a mule. That's a mule. No, a mule is a donkey. No, a mule is a horse and a donkey had a baby and love each other very much. And they tend to be sterile because that's how you know it's not a specific species. Inability to reproduce. Sterile. Yeah. Yeah. Healy. Because it's interspecies. So there's just the one? Mules can't ever have more mules. Yeah. Right. Correct. There are no mule appearance. There was only mule spring. Yeah. This is true. Sad life. Well, I mean, you say sad life, but on the other hand, I don't know. I mean, it's like a liger. I was recently listening to a podcast where they talked about how you shouldn't shame people for not having children. And you should shame a mule. And nor should you. Yeah. Roger, are you about to talk about lagers? Yeah, lagers. We have a famous liger up in our zoo over here. Are lagers also sterile? Yes. I think so. Yeah. But they also have... I guess by definition, they have to. But lagers have like this growth thing because the growth inhibitor and the tiger and the lion are different genders. So if you cross them, it doesn't have it. So it's really... It's a very large... What is it? I think it's a cross between a male lion and a female tiger. Yeah. And they don't have the... They don't... They just get really big because it doesn't have the growth inhibitor in them. And so they get super huge. The offset is that they get a lot of joint issues because it gets too big and heavy. You're right. We have... Poor arthritic ligers. We have a famous one up here that stuff... They ended up stuffing it, like full-on making a big taxidermy out of it. He sits up... That's what... What do you mean we had some around here? Like, was it like the neighborhood liger that everybody like high-fived until he... Wait a minute. Was this the leftover from the Poli Dynamite? Basketball team from the jazz to the ligers? Oh my gosh. They certainly should. They really should, yeah. Well, there is a Japanese wrestler. What's his name? Something liger? Wrestler? That's his whole thing. Liger. Find the name. It had a name. Hushin Liger. The WWF. This one was called Shasta the Liger. It lived 24 years at Utah's Hogel Zoo. It was a world record within itself for a liger. They don't usually live that long. Yeah, a liger at the Utah Zoo. That's great. 24 years? 24 years. That's... I mean, talk about a hometown hero. Yeah. Is it Shasta? Are you talking about Shasta the Liger? Yeah, Shasta the Liger. Let me show people who still make the other video. Stuffed one right there, Roger. Friendly neighborhood liger. Liger. Mr. Rogers called him Daniel Liger. I got to say, it looks like a lion to me. Well, it's half lion. I understand that, Roger. But it always tells the truth. It looks like a female lion. It does. But it's got tiger stripes. I'm sure. You look close. It's a word of... It's like if you crossed a dodge and a Plymouth. I mean... You end up with a Chrysler. What I'm saying is the lion jeans are coming through pretty hard. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He's not a lion. He's not the liger, right? The liger might take more after its mother or its father. I suppose that's true. Then you have the reverse, which is a tie. We need more of a liger full. A tie-gun's the other way. As if the mother is a lion and the male is a tiger. They're on the smaller end. That's cool. If you're a dirty betrayer, you're a colonel tiger. I knew it. Finally, it's come out. Right. Who's a dirty betrayer? Not me. Not me. A tie-gun. Do you folks have your Google inactive account manager set up? I doubt it. Google inactive account manager is the thing you can set up so that if you ever stop using your account, you will be notified by phone and email after a time period that you select in order to let your friends and family into your account. Oh, like if you die or something. Well, if you die or if you go missing, or you're into a coma or something, yeah. I don't hate this idea. I get the reminder every so often telling me what my settings are and who has access and all of that, which is good. It always mellows out the day a little because you're like, oh, right. Something terrible happens today. Or six months from now, whatever, yeah. Well, but if you think of it specifically in terms of where's a lot of my information that doesn't live elsewhere, there's a lot of that. Not that I'm like, hey, Mom, go comment through my Gmail. It'll be so fun. It won't, but there are certain things that there would be no way to access it otherwise. Yeah, it would make settling up someone's, or just having power of attorney. So much easier. I mean, my data plan, if I die, is to have Jen call Patrick Norton and he come over and smash all my hard drives. That's the big thing. The data is dead. This isn't about your privacy anymore. You're gone. This isn't about your successors being able to find out. Depending on what you've done in his life, it's the privacy of Jen. And the kids, it's hard to say. Let them have better memories of me. You know, having access to your bank accounts. She's already on it. She's my wife. What you're saying is you will have nothing of value in your email account. Nothing. Yeah. No, anything that values show that my wife already have access to. Yeah, I guess that's true in reverse for us. I have all that though. Like anything that deals with money, her name's on it already. Yeah, same with Kim. Same deal. I mean, I'm hoping the bank follows through. I still feel like though, it's like, I don't know. I'm trying to think of like a sort of an odd use case is maybe somebody, okay, let's say you die. And somebody who is from your past who actually would have been meaningful to you, but your wife or husband or whoever doesn't know this person and there's some sort of a disconnect with getting old. Like I can see use cases that go way beyond just financial stuff. Are you talking about my secret children? Is that a series or is that a thing? I didn't know. I'm like, I'm like, I'm talking about secret children. I'm talking about, you know, people from your past who might have been important in the general team. Friends like old friends. Yeah, yeah. Or an illegitimate child. I mean, I'm not throwing out anything. Listen, all my kids are legitimate. Yeah, you might be old friends with your children. And you'd like to reconnect. You know, Uncle Roger, well, I have a secret for you. Isn't that how those all turn out? Uh, I don't know. I think I was in the discussion with my wife. Like, I guess a friend of hers, or just like, you know, when someone passes, all these secrets start coming out. Your uncle is your uncle. He's your dad. I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm not anybody's aunt or uncle, you know, without, without, you know, knowing how that goes. There's no secret siblings. Pretty, pretty sure. But I don't know. I know I am someone's uncle. I'm 100% positive of that. I got a few of those. Two. I'm two people's uncle. Oh, you're, are you the crazy old uncle though yet? You're not that yet? I'm definitely the crazy old uncle for my sister's son. He's, because he's, you know, out of college and has a job and all that stuff. Super responsible. Yeah. So he's old enough to be like, you're from two generations up type thing. Yeah, yeah. The ones that are, the ones that are throwing me for a loop people I know who are, who are from a family where they, they're the youngest, but there's like a, almost a 15, 16 year age gap between the oldest, eldest child and the youngest of them. So they have like nieces or nephews that are like only Closer in age than the older sibling. No, I have, I have that situation because my dad was the youngest and his, his older siblings were much older than him. And, and he had kids later in life. So we have cousins that are almost the same age as my mom. Whoa. Yeah. First cousins too. Like they, yeah, yeah. And then their grand, like my cousin's granddaughter, like just got out of college and is named after my grandma. And to her, it's mind blowing that I knew the woman she's named after. Cause to her, that's like ancient history that happened long before she was there. I guess it's not that weird. I have a nephew who's only eight years younger than me. I was, I was eight when he was born. So it's not crazy. I guess, right? Yeah. I would be that. Yeah. And my, my grandpa was born in the 1800s. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. Yeah. Isn't it? It's so cool. Wait, maybe mine was too. I don't know. I should know. I don't, I don't have anybody left that was pre 1900. He's not left anymore either. Right. Yeah. No, no, no, right. Just, just, um, yeah. If you go back far enough, sure. But not, you know, any grandparents, no grandparents. They were all, I think 19, my mom will probably be able to text me about this. Um, I think 1912, far back as we go. Pretty vintage. I think that was my grandma's year. 1912. It was definitely after the earthquake because they were, they lived in San Francisco, but it was post earthquake. So I know it was after 1906 by a few years. That was a good time to get in and get some good cheap prices after the earthquake. Yeah, right? Yeah. It's like going to Taco Bell the day after they reopen from food poisoning. Um, I, speaking of, we, uh, Scott, you and I have talked about podcasts, uh, as of late. And there's a great episode of 99% Invisible about, um, the Chinese community in San Francisco after the earthquake. Roger, have you heard that one? Uh, yes. It's really good. So we'll talk more about it for audio listeners in a moment. Folks, thank you for watching. Oh, is it new? Cause I'm caught up. I thought maybe