 Hey everyone my name is Anthony Johnson. I'm the CEO of 21 studios and the founder of the 21 convention today I'm here live with you on YouTube with Max Millian Gianmarco aka Max. He has been working with us for a little while. He also attended the event last year in Orlando and he runs his own thing over at Spartan ownership also on YouTube not just the website. Max and I today are going to kind of talk about the event coming up the 21 convention 2017 10-year anniversary live event coming up in Orlando Florida to October 1st 2017. It is the biggest event we've ever done we have more Chinese and speakers than ever and it's coming up really really fast in about 10 or 11 days so real soon. On the YouTube channel throughout the year we've put probably you know 500 links promoting the event but we haven't done that many videos. We've done a podcast here about it with Ross Jeffries with Roland Tomasi a couple times and so on and so forth but we haven't done a lot of directly address videos about the event and I want to take time today to do that with Max and with you guys on YouTube. So throughout this discussion Max and I are going to have talking about the event what's changed over the past year at the upcoming event itself the speakers and so on you guys can ask questions and Max and I are answering live. No problem up to about four o'clock today so about 45 minutes total for the stream. Max thanks for coming on the show. Awesome man glad to be here. Fuck yeah dude. So let's dig into it man I know you got some questions for me that you specifically wanted to kind of dig into. Yeah I think it's important for the audience to know some of the transformations that have occurred over the years and that basically leads me to my first question which is what changed from say the last one or two inventions to this one what's the main difference? Yeah so first of all this is our 14th event coming up so we've done a ton. Last year there were two you attended just one in Atlanta right I don't think you were in Miami. Yeah so yeah the biggest change is obviously the red pill I mean we've done a total uh red roll called it a hard hard red turn personally and then I you know put that into the company itself as quickly as I could like in a snap so to speak with in relative to you know 10 11 years in that history running the company. So that's been the biggest change and that means you know abandoning not only a personal level a lot of blue pill idealisms and delusions but also embracing things and purple pill ones too but embracing a red pill philosophy instead of ideas for myself and for the company so that has resulted most you know observably in the speaking lineup. There's not a lot of alumni at this event which is unusual for us over the years we've accumulated over 100 alumni speakers and usually they are like the majority of the speakers whereas this year they're in a minority we have maybe including Tanner Guzzi who's alumni now we have just a handful I think of alumni so it's not that many and we have a lot of fresh faces new ideas and they're not just new they're like as you know they're very radical and controversial the red pill is like seen and I think properly in some ways as an evolution on the POA community and it's a lot more intense and it's a lot more serious and I've loved it you know so much it's finding it about a year ago thanks to Nicholas Cloud over a year ago no actually about a year year and a quarter you found it as well too right you found it I think maybe through me when I was going through it you know months ago actually I knew about it um actually I knew about it for like two years almost but I never really dealt no shit yeah I knew about it for a long like time because I can't even remember how I came upon it but I was talking about it with a friend and he mentioned it and he was oh he introduced the whole Manusphere scene and obviously that included you know world mode stuff so that's kind of how I came into it a little bit but I didn't really know it was this big thing until you know a few months in but it's kind of how it came yeah I was aware of it too you know a little bit through Rolo's vlog I'd found in 2015 and the Red Pill subreddit it's sent links to our videos on and off so I knew it was sort of but I didn't like dive into it I didn't think a lot about it I just thought it was some sort of like men's lifestyle uh you know subreddit there's a ton of them on Reddit like that and I was like cool they like our videos great and then I kind of like moved on didn't think about it I didn't see nothing actually believe they're not really caught my eye in terms of being like super polarizing or abrasive or something like that but you know I have I understand now yeah Rolo's stuff is like you know it comes with like a mental barrier because you can't just read it and be like oh shit like you have to kind of delve into it because Rolo's style of writing is very rainy you know like you got to understand what he's talking about like he uses his arms you know you have to just kind of dive into it and once the seed is planted and then it's like oh like it just turns into a tree and you're like holy shit like this is Red Pill yeah yeah I am actually really like the way it writes I mean it's very it's like really intellectual and I think he calls it like a $10,000 lexicon or dictionary users or something he has to see some phrase uses for it but I think it's great and I think it's you know it's otherwise lacking in a culture there's not a lot of uh manister blogs it's not forget the manuscript it's not a lot of blocks period that are like that in depth and details and people make fun of them for it but I think it's fucking stupid everybody wants everything dumbed down and like like he says the too long didn't read version which is just dumb definitely agree on that and it makes it sound more authoritative too I mean if you can like because he really does dive deep and he really does make it just well researched he's like the of dating basically is how I like to put it the mark yeah yeah totally yeah I got you're saying dude Mark's awesome oh yeah cool so did I answer your question though in terms of what's changed I mean I I hope it in gloss over it like transitioning from a blue purple pill probably pretty purple pill event to now a very very red one uh this quickly is like in my opinion it's it's one of the biggest uh and sharpest uh changes I think ever seen in the manisphere at least for a company in an organization yeah we're not like rst like this multi-million dollar thing but this is a real company it's been around for a decade and for it to change this fast this hard is like uh it's a big shake up and I think we're going to see like I was talking to you and I was talking to Mike about it the day Mike and Dolly and yeah I think you too I think we went over this a bit over Skype but yeah it's going to be a big the next the next year is going to be really I think uh uh hair raising so to speak in terms of like people who just are really getting lit up and and uh very supportive about the red pill transition and then very antagonistic and angry about it too and like fuck dream fuck the convention and like all that shit yeah um that kind of leads me to my next question which sort of still lets people know what the differences are between the previous convention and the one that's happening now and yeah I said it best like it's really a transition from like the blue and purple stuff to the red lens and um what are some of the examples of speakers who are more on the red pill lens that are going to be attending yeah sure well let me actually back up a second too and say this that um the red pill it we've talked about you know male female relationships and dating you know literally since the dawn of the convention so it's not new to the company it's just totally this has been the center of it and the foundation of it for over a decade now since I've been organizing it now for 11 years so I think more than ever though the transition represents the company and the movement and the platform being at this point now I think completely uh unapproved by women by the feminine imperative almost not all women literally speaking but uh the the general kind of zeitgeist about like the general you know the feminist the feminine imperative and feminism today at this point you know the convention has been uh it's not been very you know we haven't been very friendly to feminism in a long time but at this point it's like totally outside the realm of like socially and politically approved thought so that is the difference whereas before some of it was approved some of it wasn't depending on the speaker and the content at this point it's like 99% not approved by feminism by the feminine imperative by like almost almost anyone like the majority of the population by long shot at this point definitely so definitely took a very radical turn um yeah like the type of content that used to be put out was very and just to kind of rehash it for those that don't really get the terms yet but like blue pill and yeah just to start with blue pill blue pill is more conventional but when it comes to dating um and purple pill is like unconventional you know there's a mix of like some evolutionary psychology and biology in there but it's also mixed like you know idealistic views and stuff and well i was actually talking to rollo about this a little bit the other day and what i realized you know even as much as i studied pick up and experienced it and met with speakers all over the world around these events i never really understood women uh until i found the red pill i understood pick up i understood how to get laid i understood how to pull pull saying that lay uh sometimes very quickly and you know all these different things but i'd never understood women i understood like tactics i understood what i needed to do i understood to some degree what a woman wanted in that context but i really didn't know what to do after the fact i had these kind of like vague ideas and some of those were good some of those were bad a lot of them i'd say were bad at least in the long term um so yeah the red pill like totally it helped me understand women a lot more than just on a very simplistic pickup aspect and game aspect definitely so that that to me is the biggest difference i realized about myself and the company now exactly and to just kind of reinforce that point that that's what the red pill is it's like a no delusion approach to just debating games and debating strategies and all that stuff and there's no like you know gooey aspects to it it's very straightforward and it's based on as much science as we can possibly muster for the subject so yeah yeah and it's and it offers a great uh and empowering uh perspective that for men and for women but you have to get past that initial layer of discomfort and uh that's why the convention now is going to be so radical because it's going to be so uncomfortable yeah you know parting ways with all those with all that conditioning we have with all that idealism that's just empowering and destroying relationships so it's gonna like piss off a lot of people but the reason that you're going going through with it already does it already does you know like anytime i write something about a people a lot of times lose their fucking shit i've lost like i've lost hundreds of facebook friends in the past uh by the past you know eight nine ten months something like that so yeah it's it's unreal it just people just lose their shit that's why as part of the reason i love it and it's part of the reason that uh it's so attractive i don't necessarily like being this troll that just pisses people off but i think anger is the weather being a truth a lot of the time and the red pill do the red pill pisses people off to a depth and and to a response rate so instantaneously that i've never seen it makes politics and religion look like uh look like teletubbie shit or something like it's it's really really intense and people just get angry with it definitely and that's why i'm so freaking excited about the coming conference because man it's going to be spicy like it's you know we've been fed some mild spicy you know but that's another reason that you you mentioned how there's not going to be that many alumni this year you know yeah that's right yep not to dive too deep into shit but just to kind of help the audience a little bit about what's going on behind the scenes you know a lot of the alumni are having issues you know that's right that's right yep yeah i think uh rollo yeah we don't need to say names and stuff other than i think rollo has been talking about this openly on his blog but um i think rollo yeah so he's hidden this on his blog a couple times including recently the most recent post as of this filming i think at least this morning i was taking a look at his blog but the comments and stuff and yeah there's uh i guess in a way it's like a changing of the guard you know like old guard versus new guard or even like a civil war in a sense between alumni speakers and a lot of the old ones like you mentioned you are not comfortable with the red pill their blue pill ideas and illusions and delusions in a sense to the extent that they had them which is different per speaker and you know per context uh they're being challenged just like anyone else finding a red pill or being um encountering it in some way in this case through my company and through you know the changes that are going on now and yes some of them are supportive and some of them are not and some of them are very not supportive they're fiercely you know angered by it or annoyed or whatever you know whatever you want to uh describe it so yeah it's been a big change and that dude that includes people that have been around for a long fucking time not just like a year or two but like half a decade or more so that's been uh that's in a way that's been sad to see to be totally brutally honest and uh very open about it uh people that i trust to you know stay committed to the truth and to reality have not done that in a way that i had hoped and uh i think just people that have been close to me like socrates is a good example i think him him seeing me embrace the red pill is not surprising the slightest this is like totally anthony one on one but other people that weren't as close to me were more surprised by it and um that's that sucks that they can't at least as of yet we'll see what happens in the future but as of yet there hasn't been a lot of them have yet been very annoyed by it and haven't uh jumped on the red pill train as of yet and yeah once again that's that's another reason why this is just going to be a really interesting time right now like compared to all the other ones just to kind of like you know we said we would kind of push the event and let people know throughout our conversation of how they can you know get involved and there's also a pretty awesome freaking deal going on i think we should just mention really yes i totally forgot again i fucking knew i would have told me to hold accountable for it so that's what i'm doing yeah thanks perfect so yeah so what max we're talking about is that they can buy tickets and they should buy tickets uh to the event there is actually 10 available today they can get a ticket in the card at the top of the video it's probably up there maybe up there and there's a link underneath the video in the video description and they can get a link to buy ticket right now to the event there's still time to get a ticket and if they use a discount code final 21 f inal 21 look at the ticket half off the full price that started last night and it ends tonight 11 59 p.m eastern time and that's it after that all the tickets go to full price 14.99 and uh until they sell out which we're almost sold out anyway in total we have like 22 tickets left or something like that so not many biggest event we've ever done ironically once we not ironically but we'll see how that pans out but it's been as of yet we have more attendees and people attending the event than uh so VIPs and staff and speakers and we've ever had and uh that's been pretty fucking badass that's you know people it's funny man when people again no need to say names but there was a speaker in particular who's been around for a long time who is very annoyed by the red pill is very opposed to it and he told me that uh business would be the best teacher with the red pill and we've sold more tickets than we ever fucking have to an event uh viewership is up then like pretty much as high as it's ever been uh we're kicking ass there no actually it's if you count everything it's higher than it's ever been uh everything is is like booming like it's a whole like uh renaissance for the company itself in a way uh by incorporating the red pill as fast and as as efficiently as i can into it and uh business has been the best teacher i mean fuck that's not why i did it i did it because i believe in it but for that to happen on top of this big change has been like totally you know uh enlightening or enlivening in a way to see that to see the the uh the excitement for the event and see the attendees coming out attending the event's hard man you did it last year get up by flight hotel take time off work school organize your life get a ticket you know do all the shit to get to the event it's like the opposite i say of amazon prime it's like you know it takes you have to ship yourself to the product and then you have to spend days experiencing it and then get they get back you know get back to where you gotta go right yeah that's so true man that is so true and that's a to say man like yeah a lot of people to say that this is going to be the biggest event yet you get the most controversial that's one of the reasons why you guys have to come man because like this is not your typical shit right here and i mean it's also the 10 it's also a 10 year anniversary on top on top of all the different shit going on like on top of that is the 10 year anniversary since the first event in 2007 july so on top of that like fucking look there's so much there's so much just like colliding all the ones it's amazing hurricanes fucking free speech stuff youtube cracking down on shit uh trumps and like it's it's just it's this has been a wild year man this has been fucking awesome i'm loving it oh yeah oh yeah just for the just to tell the audience a bit um like i spoke to quite a few attendees you know when i was i'm calling everything and you know a lot of them are like recently divorced and everything and i feel like that's you know recently divorced guys are going to be one of the guys that are going to really be getting like tons of value i mean young guys that never heard of this stuff before this is going to give you an edge guys that just got divorced man this is going to give you a great ability and just a amount of resourcefulness to bounce back and there's just so much value um at this event for men in particular and it's just not sure max let me let me ask you a question man so you uh you attended as a volunteer last year at the orlando event the under 21 convention that was a short two-day event but that was legit 21 convention identical to the first event we was a two-day event back in 2007 so what was your experience like uh you volunteered and stuff but whatever but what was it like as an attendee as your that was your first time attending what was that like and in terms of like uh how you profited you know personally and socially and like intellectually during and after the event um so it was just great to be in contact and in touch with all these guys and uh you know it's just a lot more interactive than just watching a video on youtube or whatever and really just getting to know these guys you know and having time to talk to them and ask them specific questions you know uh and the speakers you mean yeah the speakers and also just not working with with other men that have you know that are like behind it and uh and also it just gives you a great story to bring back to other people like you know when you go back home and you tell guys like hey man i just went to this conference and there was all these speakers and it was all about empowering men like you know it just gives you leverage to to help other men like i think it the 21 convention in a lot of ways creates better leaders and then you know so i feel like that's what i got out of it is i came out of it now i have the brownie points to say hey i actually spoke to these guys you know and puts me as an authority figure in a lot of situations where guys now look up to me and ask me hey man what do you think about this or what do you think about that and that's what i feel like it's gonna do to a lot of other guys you know like a lot yep that's that's that's the vision i see with the 21 convention in a lot of ways is like it's a way to empower men to become leaders in whatever field or area they're in even if it's just in your personal life i mean a buddy of mine recently he evacuated orlando i think it was a bad idea but whatever but he evacuated to tampa which was a really bad idea and then he went and then obviously he had to evacuate tampa and go north and he left the state he went to like north carolina or something but he was with a lot of uh with two families uh both i think biologically intact mother father and like kid or two and both of them were kind of like basically masculinized betas so they weren't like totally like ray romanos like total pushovers or something right but they both ceded decisions and leadership to the wives in ways that were with a red pill lens he's fully red pill aware and the top of that this guy is like a north of a triple digital account so he's tight game and he's real pull aware now for a while for him just watching those decisions and these interactions go on for a couple of days when he's out of the state with these families that also left the hurricane it was just uh well it's like you can't unsee it first of all once you see once you have the red pill lens you can't undo it but on top of that it was just uh like alarming to see this you know these guys were not like total pussies but damn they both are making bad blue pill decisions that were hurting their lives whether or not they knew it and that's going to play out every time in ways that just suck and that are totally unnecessary right so and yeah the leadership thing you know like it's it's hurt it's just leadership lacking in their personal lives that's now affecting their children and the wives and everything else aren't going interacting with that yeah man um what i want to say to you uh based on your the leadership thing oh yeah so you mentioned like meeting the speakers and you know and that's brownie points whatever you get to meet somebody cool right in some cases that's that's fucking if they've impacted your life that's super badass uh you really want to meet them and thank them in person for that but one of the things that that came to mom you said that is uh i've said this for a while is that the convention is a chance to meet your heroes right so the speakers and sometimes there's a saying that like you know don't meet your heroes because you'll be disappointed dude i've never found that to be the case when i meet people like ron paul and ethania brandon and then our speakers and stuff like it's fucking awesome and i'm so glad i do it and i've done it and andrew the private man is actually the the person the man that this event is dedicated to because he died last year or this year and he spoke last year and that's like part of what i'm talking about is like dude you don't know when the speakers are gonna die like andrew we knew he had cancer and then he spoke and then he died and i'm really glad he spoke and people got to meet him and that was a you know pristine fucking example why to attend because when you meet somebody they might die they might die of cancer they might get hit by a bus the next day you don't fucking know so that that's i mean that's that's some of the value of meeting people in person is like you don't know when you're no longer gonna have that uh not only the opportunity but even the possibility you can't meet andrew the private man anymore he's fucking dead he's dead as a door now rollo could come to the event and you can meet him and then the next day he could die from fucking it came by a bus or something or shot or who knows what so i hope not i mean we have security and stuff the event so i don't think that's gonna happen but you don't fucking know man like people die all the time people just died in the storm recently in florida i don't know how many a couple dozen or something right man but yeah meet your heroes and like before it's too late yeah and that's definitely another reason why people should attend and another reason is also that you know i've watched countless hours of youtube videos and reading books and all that and yeah passive learning is good but it has its limits when you're actually there yeah you're acting and you're active learning that's how you really embody stuff at a way faster rate than just like reading it passively or watching a video passively all that stuff is passive like i i went to school you know i got high school diploma i can't remember shit i sat in a classroom like you know i don't know how many years 12 years or whatever so dude to be honest i learned more in high school football than i did in high school itself and i took the hardest classes available in the state of florida and ivy program like it it i'd seriously i learned more about life than football and playing football for four years than i did in and getting hurt and weight training and like team and being on a team and tribes and stuff like that than i did in high school like it's i mean part of that too is not it's not just to beat up an education part of that's like feminism like infiltrating the school system you know school systems and education and then like effective boy or defective women basically but uh yeah a lot of it is just fucking horrible at this point oh yeah that that reminds me of what i was trying to bring up earlier and sure at the end of the day you know the 21 convention you also got the 21 university which is all right out there it's basically like the netflix for men you know for men that want to get better yeah non-fiction netflix for men and um it better be non-fiction but what i wanted to say was that um uh you know even now like at the conference that's coming up there's there's a few you know i don't want to i don't know if i should mention anything i'm gonna leave that to you but i am gonna say that some of the speakers coming in not all of them have the same world view when it comes to stuff and that's right totally not all of them are at pill i mean like uh at least at least ross jeffrey who disagrees with rollo and stuff although he likes roll of stuff too so it's kind of odd juxtaposition or whatever so i was trying to get it when you go to a university in days it's like everyone's expected to kind of deal and think the same and if they don't agree you know fire or and at this event you're gonna have guys disagreeing about stuff and you know what that adds to the event and totally and that's why it's called a university or convention that's where men get together and challenge each other they debate stuff they talk about different ideas practical and able to be embodied and i think that that's i think that's what that's something i've talked with rollo a lot about personally is that like i expected better out of a lot of our alumni speakers in terms of the ability and the willingness to openly debate a series issues and the purple pill versus the red pill or whatever it is an example of that and the fact that a lot of them dropped out when they had the opportunity to be at this event and actually engage in that kind of debate you know peacefully and civilly and that was just totally fucking that was horrible that sucked that sucked to see anyway to see that happen but that's exactly i think the power of the red pill is that like they are people like rollo and other speakers are willing to like engage in that debate and the other side is not a lot of the time sometimes they are i think ross is coming to the event he's an example of that it's the first time speaking at the event but he's a good example that and we'll see how that goes like i'm totally goes to sit and rollo and ross down and like just watch that play out from the sideline but there's there's not enough there's not uh i don't know if there's enough of that but it's there's not like there's not as much of that as there probably should be and both sides should be willing to debate a lot of times the other sides are not yeah so uh what else i want to mention oh yeah so what you're getting at by the way i think is that there is a real diversity of opinion and thought in 21 university and that's evolving every time like everything else in the world right that's fun but like you're mentioning it like uh not real universities but like uh old universities and things that are entrenched with feminism and like leftism and like all kinds of like fucked up collective as shit they don't have any diversity of thought anymore the second you have or even companies like google the minute you have the a diverse opinion you're just fucking literally fired in some cases or expelled from the university or all kinds of like horrible fucked up shit so yeah there isn't a i went to ucf in central florida it's like in 2015 it was the biggest university in the united states with like 60 thousand enrolled students i think this year is like over 60 000 it's crazy huge university and i could tell you flat out anyone should have that place for four years and part of that's on me because i was so focused on this business i wasn't paying attention part of that is just that the university is at that size at this point or just totally they're not even about education they're about indoctrination well shit like that on campus and it's not just ccf it's every other major university in united states it's not a place for independent critical thinkers basically which is why i think also i wanted to get i got out of there as fucking soon as i realized it like nope this ain't for me right because you had diversity of opinion and thought and debate are no longer it's no longer not only is a no longer a priority at these places it's not even allowed it's not even permissible to debate and you know things like that you've kicked off or slandered a scene or accused of being a misogynistic racist sexist bigot whatever the fuck yeah man definitely it's like i mean you're french right fuck you you you fucking western assist gendered male you're a total piece of shit exactly and uh you know um just to ask you before i i say this is this like public or it's kind of a surprise is the what is like the list of speakers fully public or is some of it yeah yeah not totally yeah okay it's because i mean the front page is every speaker on it i believe at this point yeah remember that now okay the other pages i think of all of them but each one is managed individually so it's it's actually difficult to get all of them updated yeah we're working guys see the list because some of these guys you know they should see the list and that yeah if you haven't bought a ticket yet what you should so the list is at the 21 convention dot org so dot org not dot com that's our main website dot org is for the event the 21 convention dot org it's also the card in this video and underneath the video in the video description you can click the link go check out the list check out the event see everything that's going on with it you'll see the city by the way but not the actual venue which i've hidden from the public because i don't believe this event is uh it's not a good idea to display publicly at this point i don't care about publicity stunts i care about the truth i care about content i care about the speakers i care about the ideas not uh getting like a mob of like angry feminists outside you know bitching about white cisgendered capitalist patriarchal maniacal whatever pigs or something so part of me like my my uh i guess my guilty sort of desire is for them to come and for us to kind of have you know a bunch of just no this fucking screaming and me just walking in like you know not not where many years out from that because like i really part of the reason too is i really don't want to deal with that that's a major strain uh financially uh mentally on my attention that could be focused better focused on content and videos and ideas so i'm not opposed to confrontation i'm totally for confrontation but i want to be intelligent about that and not do it uh willy nilly just for no fucking reason of course like it because not that it's not fun but there could be fun it could also be dangerous who knows right but there's there's more important things going on and i don't give a shit about those people if they're not interested in peacefully civilly debating something then they're fucking losers anyway so i don't want anything to do with them definitely and um one of the reasons i bought up the speaker list was uh what's to say that some of the speakers there they're going to be talking about stuff that isn't really addressed too much in the whole like dating scene like uh you know jack donovan or you know i've been thrown but those two guys for especially jack donovan he's going to go into some stuff that i feel like a lot of men would benefit from yeah i'm reading his book his book's fucking awesome and marina lily again it's so much it's so intense i fucking love it so important for men to understand how to communicate with other men which is becoming a sort of art and i think that that's also a big deal you know that that's coming up in this conference which is you're gonna have some guys that are gonna like how do you deal with other men how do you create a tribe how do you like create a network of a brotherhood like these are important questions that are also not really addressed enough so i feel like that adds to the diversity of the event so it's really well they're not just not addressed like elsewhere you know in society they're usually actively distorted so you have a lot it's not like you just come up you hear jack donovan speak or rollo or alan roger curry or zen or whoever you you come in in this event a lot of times unfortunately with like a lot of shitty ideas that have have given you pain in your life and driven you to find a solution which would be the convention or the speaker or their book or their video or talking to them or whatever so yeah you come in with the whole i mean the attendees at this point the red the red pill ones at least i think have a lot less of that probably but uh no matter what i mean you usually have some shitty ideas from some lingering past of you know feminism indoctrinating you or whatever i was really surprised actually um i was in the biggest uh kind of revelations i had finding red pill is i've been opposed to feminism for like more than half a decade like actively think it's just horrible you know shit nonsense but uh finding red pill made me realize i still accepted a lot of feminist premises and beliefs that i didn't realize were from feminism and uh weeding you know realizing that i was like oh fuck like oh son of a bitch but then also being able to pull them out like weeds and get them out of my head finally but it was a big head trip because i like i really hated feminism before the red pill and then finding out there's some of that a lot of that shit i don't know a lot but a significant amount was still in the way i thought on a daily basis i was like fuck get the fuck out get all this shit away from me definitely that's another reason why people should actually go to the event as opposed to just reading whatever when you go there you actually like see these guys and how they think and how they talk and how they carry themselves and it communicates you know a layer of knowledge that you can't just get from passively absorbing absorbing sorry well i think um i think face-to-face communication in particular i'm not totally up to date for informing the science but as far as i know face-to-face communication like in person you connect dots a lot quicker and you connect with the person a lot quicker and a lot more deeply right so they're an influence on you and their ideas in terms of their if you want their ideas to influence you even more meet them like if you love Rola's work or you love uh you know Alan's work or you love Jack Donovan's work or whoever meet them and talk to them even for like two minutes in the hallway but probably even more than that who knows right it's a four-day event but dude that's a huge impact and that helps you like like if you're having trouble swallowing a red pill dude meeting someone like this and seeing them and talking to them and like hearing how they live and think that i think will uh helps me that process up immensely yeah i think and uh it's it's a lot about conditioning and i feel like once again when you actually meet the people it undoes your conditioning a bit more uh because in every aspect of how they are so that kind of like impacts you at a cellular level almost so yeah yeah no you get a total picture you get a much i mean it's not like a super deep picture but you get a first impression you get to you know see the person face-to-face talk to them shake their hand you know have a a beer or coffee whatever and yeah you i think you absorb things like quicker and more deeply that way than just reading about it on your laptop your phone or something like that so yeah cool let me check the questions team i've been checking a little while can we hear some knowledge instead of selling the event this is the knowledge man drop a knowledge bombs in your ass the knowledge like with an a in it uh someone else asked someone zan parry owned the full speech we have on youtube any day honestly i have it ready to roll i just need to upload it and get it like the final edition like ready to you know uh basically primed on youtube like set to publish so it i just been busy as shit so you know max and mike everyone else working with us so it's been ready to go actually for a few weeks i'm sorry about that but any day now it'll be up and ready to roll and we have a lot more videos to come too full-length videos we're going to publish on youtube so that's definitely on the way just a lot you know between the hurricane uh you know screwing up ralando and then you know the event coming up it's been a lot going on one of our speakers actually commented gray bailey uh the silver sultan i think they call him he uh he was commenting to someone else and gray said uh to make it in this business you have to be first first great or different and the 21 convention has it all i think he's right uh this is the world's first major red pill gathering and event uh you know to full credit to christian mcqueen putting on the um man and demand conference it was called in 2015 but that was a single event and it wasn't at the scope and depth of this thing so like rollo said this is like the first major red pill gathering that's you know spanning multiple days totally for the event really it's like six days between set up and then a follow-up so it's almost like a week long event uh at least for the staff and volunteers and stuff so yeah this is the world's first it's the fucking greatest it's amazing it's 10 years and it's radical and different to the fucking max so it doesn't get we're hitting every least out of the corners at grace point that we're hitting hard oh if someone asks actually how much it would cost to attend uh he's new to the channel so a full price ticket to the event is 14.99 but if you buy today before midnight and you use the discount code final 21 there's only 10 uses available you can get it for half off so 7 49 50 is what you'll pay exactly and that's for a four day conference so that's all day thursday friday saturday sunday plus events at night on friday and saturday officially and then on top of that we have like unofficial events that people will kind of set up and stuff like that so full price 14.99 about before tonight you pay 7 49 50 which is fucking sick that's even cheaper than the early bird we had a few months ago but it's limited to 10 guys so if it runs out it runs out and also it expires at midnight tonight or 11 59 so jump on that shit get it i wouldn't we we said we had a saying last year mcnaughty and i would say like uh should have bought a ticket should have bought a ticket bro don't be that guy don't be that fucking guy man they'll be the guy watching the live stream and like oh i should have bought yeah you should have bought a ticket man exactly otherwise you miss that so i got a few minutes left before i gotta run um you have any more questions uh max yeah um let's see what are some of the more um what are some topics that are going to be addressed that haven't been addressed before like what are some interesting new topics coming up so there's actually two that come to mind immediately but it's always a diverse conference in terms of content it's not just like red pill motherfucker we're like game game game game it's always been even since day one in 2007 we had fitness and fashion at the event or fitness and style so this event you'll see style address once again by tanner guzzy you're gonna see i've asked uh gray bailey or george brunos is a real name i think that's a real name pretty sure but he goes by gray bailey on youtube he goes he goes by both it's on but he'll be talking about i've asked him to talk about basically facial grooming and taking care of your face and not just taking care of it like mechanically but like the meaning of that and the philosophy behind it and what that means and he has a whole youtube channel dedicated to that uh does youtube search gray bailey last name or you know second part b a i l e y and that's like i've actually had that on my mind for like probably year and a half two years now so i'm actually very excited for that and i think that's actually more important than men realize it's it's specifically a sexual trait or a sexually demorphic trait we have that never gets talked about or rarely it's talked about our address seriously that's the first time we're having that at this event and i think it's going to complement tanner guzzy's talk really really well um on top of that well richard nicholai who's planning to talk about cryptocurrencies he's a returning alumni speaker so that's cool and then on top of that we'll have richard cooper he might be talking about business we'll see he's working on a speech uh you know private for a little while but that's that might be a big part of what he talks about and then christian mcqueen would be talking about business and wealth as well uh wealth i don't know if that came through clearly and uh that's important i think it's important for men to be powerful and wealthy in their lives not just gameware and powerful not just red pillarware and powerful but a seductive healthy fit and wealthy and uh focus as you can be on your career whatever that happens to be in a way that benefits your life and you specifically in your happiness right so those are the ones that come to mind um like you mentioned jack donovan too that will be a huge uh i think big surprise for a lot of guys anybody who doesn't know him's going to be like holy shit so i'm looking forward to that one too all i mean all of them but you know these are the ones that are really uh they're in their own little categories you know you know whether it's uh beards whether it's style whether it's money whether it's you know cryptocurrency uh you know anything like that it's in its own uh kind of auxiliary category outside of game in the red pill which take up the majority of the event probably like 60 70 percent something like that that's freaking awesome man and yeah especially time for one more so go ahead you gotta you're saying one more question on my end or on the next i got i got time for one more before i got to run but also finish up whatever thoughts you had sorry for interrupting so good i was just once again trying to get uh trying to read uh reaffirm the fact that i'm excited about jack donovan because i actually met the guy in um pencil are you met him uh i'm jealous he motherfucker nice i hung out with him for like a few hours once because he uh his parents are from pennsylvania so he was in the area where i was in and i just kind of met up with him and uh yeah he's just cool he's about it man he's about it and uh that's really like the feel i'm getting from this convention especially with guys like i've been thrown coming in and like yeah yeah mainly shit right now man like the warrior stuff yep the mass media drives and i just wanted to like mention a thought i've been having for a while and uh wanted to see what you thought about this but pick up went from like you know or the whole like manuals for your scene sort of went from like how do you get laid so you had mystery and then you had like well you had ross jeffries we had ross jeffries before that he's been in he's been in it for a while okay so you had ross jeffries and then it went from like duty to like authenticity to like spirituality and then now it's taking like this red pill turn what do you think is next because in my opinion i think um tribes is next that's my my thought on it you see you mean yeah to jack donovan stuff yeah yeah because i feel like not a lot of guys talk about it but it's gonna be big everything yeah so i think one way or another the manosphere will continue to evolve i hope that doesn't sound too vague or general but it's definitely been it's not very old but since it's been around it's been changing and the red pill it's spinning off in pa movement is a really good example of that and then there's migtau and then there's the men's rights you know activism and all that so hopefully my hope is maybe what so this is what i'm spitballing but my hope is that it continues to evolve hopefully in a positive way in a healthy way like rollo's trying to spearhead i think with positive masculinity and on top of that you'll see i think maybe less infighting within the manosphere like the men's rights movement stealing uh for the documentary the name the red pill like that's just absolutely fucking stupid i have zero the issue is a real but that's stealing title from another movement that you don't like is this douchebag rate to the extreme so i want to see less shit like that and more of like a common vision and purpose which is probably defeating feminism and ending it as is my vision for it i don't see it i disagree with the fact or the idea that it's that it's a flip side of feminism but in a lot of ways i think the manosphere is a response to feminism that the internet has enabled and we need to continue to push forward and continue evolving these different ways and yeah less infighting and more like you know there's an anime maybe it's not individuals but it's ideas feminism is vicious and evil and it causes a lot of fucking problems in the west and long term is very very dangerous maybe the biggest threat we face so i'd like to see it head more in that direction in some way um ending you know or fighting and combating in a very serious way feminism as a hateful and supremacist movement that it is and i think the manosphere is done okay up to this point and red pill is now doing a lot better and i want to see more and more of that over time tribalism though will be a probably a big part of that and even that i mean that's that's tribes fighting within the larger manosphere that's infighting between tribes but it's stupid like in that it's kind of productive i think of them to do that the men's rights to for example steal their title and you know shit on the red pill like that the pua movement might do it as well who knows what but with that being said man 21 convention the front lines of the ideological war going on in today's world yeah fuck yeah dude yep i don't know how the fuck that all happened but it just kind of like i just started doing events when i was really young at 17 and here we are 11 years later and believe it or not so somehow somehow it all happened yeah and i know we're running on on time so maybe we can tell the guys once again how they can get a ticket yeah fucking now because they need to for this yes guys if you don't have to take a yet you need to go to the 21 convention.org so it's .org the link you can actually click in the video description right underneath this video it's also on the card which is either in this direction in this direction i always forget i like the little button you know click that or tap it and then use discount code if it's if you're if you're watching this on september 17th 2017 before midnight eastern time use discount code final 21 and you get the ticket half off the full price which is the best price we've ever offered in the tickets publicly period by long shot so you need to use that code get your ticket come back to the event it to say it's worth it is an understatement it'll change your life it'll change your life in a way that is serious and and deep not some like vague like i have a paypal account therefore i'm going to change the world like your life will fucking change in a really profound way in a way that you probably won't even anticipate so come out to the event get your ass out to get a flight come down or land on the floor to have a good time and meet the men who are fighting for themselves and in a way for you for men so there we go max thanks for your time appreciate it you can hang out for a minute after i end it i'm gonna end the livestream now everyone else thank you tune in live or watching this later on youtube the recorded version peace