 I'm going to go back and forth with that too. OK. Do you wear a cassock, Father? Only if my arm was twisted. I used to. One of my bosses was a Monsignor. He was the vicar for the diocese and the head of our Catholic school where I was a principal. And so it was kind of interesting. We'd have all the kids out playing on the playground in Colorado Springs. And he'd be walking out across that parking lot towards them in his cassock with the pink piping and his sunglasses on. He looked like Superman. Kids loved it. All right. Let's go ahead. And OK, yeah. So folks, you're watching behind the scenes, Divine Intimacy Radio. We're going to be talking with Monsignor again about diary of an American exorcist if you've jumped over from the UWTN's Facebook page, I want to tell you about a Divine Intimacy and Marriage Retreat, June 11th. Mary Immaculate Catholic Church, Farmer's Branch, Texas. Farmer's Branch, Texas. And get this, free child care. Free child care. 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It's purely about lifting up the good of the church and what's going on in the church, whether regardless of which form, as long as it's faithful, we support it. So let's go ahead and jump into the show. And your market set, go. No, I'll do that differently. Ready? This is Dan and Stephanie Burke. Welcome to Divine Intimacy Radio, your radio haven of rest. Your Hermitage of the Heart. Your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven to draw from the wisdom of the saints, the magisterium of the church. And today, we're talking again with Monsignor Stephen Rosetti. I think we're number four in the series. Is that right, producer Matt? Number four in the series who's written, I think, the best, maybe the most effective book ever written on exorcism, possession, modern day battle against ancient evil. It's called The Diary of an American Exorcist. Welcome back to the show, Monsignor Rosetti. It's great to be with you again, Dan and Stephanie. So pick up, you can pick up the book, by the way. It's a Sophia Institute Press book, but you can head out to spiritualdirection.com forward slash shop. So Stephanie, I know in the last show you wanted to get something we weren't able to get to. Why don't we just jump right in? What's on your mind? What do you want to ask, Monsignor? Well, one of the chapters in the book really caught my attention, and that is the grace of discernment, because you, of course, keep right and teach on discernment spirits. We both teach on that together through marriage and through our classes together. So Father, tell us about what that grace is. How do you use that grace of discernment within your ministry? And how important is it for an exorcist to have it? Well, you mentioned on a previous show, Father McManus. Dennis was the one that told me that, well, what years ago, he said, pray for the grace of discernment, because you're going to need it in this ministry. And so, and the Lord does give it to us, as you know, when we need that grace, He'll give it. Now, here's what I tell a new exorcist, don't lose a lot of sleep over this issue. Discernment is an ongoing issue. In the first session, you might not know exactly what's going on, but praying over people doesn't help her. So don't worry about that. But as it goes on, eventually you'll figure it out. And if something's strictly psychological, that'll be obvious. When something's really demonic, eventually they get sussed out and you say, oh, you know, this is, so be patient, pray for the grace and you'll figure it out. So basically what you're saying is over time. And I think we've even experienced this in the lay deliverance realm. We've experienced this a lot. Yeah. I have found that it's been incredibly important because of the work that we do through spiritualdirection.com in our classes and Apostoli VA, all of that. We will often get people writing to us saying, I need help and they'll, you know, write down what's going on with them. And so in that process, we've had to use discernment of what is psychological, what is from wounding, what really needs to be referred to the diocesan deliverance exorcist office, or what is just the day-to-day woundedness that we have that can be easily relieved through the right deliverance prayers that are appropriate for the lay. Right. And the reason we can discern this father, Monsignor, to me, and I'd love to get your thoughts on it, is demons are creatures. Just like all creatures, they have habits. They have things they don't like. They have things that harm them. Is that, you know, tell us a little bit about that. Well, there are a variety of symptoms if you will of demonic presences. And after doing exorcisms for a while, you get to recognize them, you know? Yeah. And, but I would say that interestingly enough that, and sometimes there are these special graces that are things that just knock you off your chair and say, oh my gosh, that's demonic. For example, in the midst of an exorcism, right after it, someone coughed up, vomited up this bolt and washer. Now, this was not in her stomach. You know, it materialized in her mouth. This was preternatural. So every once in a while, there are signs of a preternatural presence, which you can't explain humanly speaking. So when that happens, then you definitely know you've got demons present. So, but oftentimes, I mean, most of the time, perhaps it's a bit of both. The demons use the psychological vulnerabilities and weaknesses as kind of, you know, things to twist and to kind of take advantage of. So we try to suss out what is of a psychological nature and what is of a spiritual, and oftentimes it'll be together in a person. So the healing is both. We often send them to a psychotherapy as well as doing exorcism sessions. Diary entry 13, you talk about the umbraleno prayer. We pray this prayer most days or prayer like it, the one that lady can pray. Can you tell us a bit about what the umbraleno prayer is and how and why it's important for you? Two things. I was just doing exorcism yesterday afternoon, actually. And I was doing it in a video conference with someone in Europe, actually. And her video screen went nuts. She said, I never have had this problem. All the communications started going nuts. What I was just, it was strange. And so we started saying the umbraleno prayer for technology. And by the way, anytime you're doing these sorts of shows, you should say the prayer. It's in the app. Umbralena for technology. The Lord would protect these communications. Oftentimes I'm trying to communicate with someone who's possessed, that the phones go nuts, everything goes crazy and the demons are clearly messing with it. So we say that prayer. We also say the umbraleno prayer in general, general umbraleno prayer in the beginning of every session so that the demons present in that person would not be reinforced. This sounds kind of dumb, but in fact they do. Sometimes other demons will come in and support them. So we say that prayer that the demons here would be isolated and able to be thrown out more easily. And I've seen examples of this. Just recently, another one for case, a guy who was being, who has some demonic issues and he's being cursed by, sadded by this wedge. And we're starting to make good progress. And then the witch actually said to him, she's taunting him and said she got some, another witch to help her, a higher ranking witch. And so we started the umbraleno prayer and instantly he started coughing and hacking and just the umbraleno prayer was cutting him off from this higher level which are reinforcing the demons present there. So he's been coughing and we've been praying we got to weak, caulking. Every time I say that prayer, he's coughing and hacking and you can see the effect. So it's good before any deliverance session to say this umbraleno prayer or if you're any sort of podcast, whatever on this issue, using the umbraleno prayer for technology would be good. And you can find a version of this prayer. The one we use is called the perimeter prayer in the deliverance prayers for the lady book published by census Fidel. I imagine it's also in your app. Can you tell people the name of the app again where they can find that? The app is called, let me see if I can show you this. It's called Catholic Exorcism. The app is called Catholic Exorcism. You can get on an iPhone or an Android or any phone. It's free, of course. And it's got all these prayers in there. Who's the umbraleno prayer? And it's a matter of fact that I went through this very difficult exorcism a few years ago and the number of demons were going down, down, down. They were being thrown out. And at one point, the number went back up. And I said, hey, in Jesus' name, tell me what happened. And the response was round two. Nice. Round two. What they probably say was they got reinforced. Now, the good news is that when they're reinforced by newly arriving demonic presence, they're cast out easier, which I know probably sounds strange to people who don't do this ministry. But hey, that's the thing about this book, The Diary of the American Exorcist. I didn't make this stuff up. I mean, it just, I experienced it. This is what happens. And this is what I related. I don't need to exaggerate it or just, now I just told people what happened. Yeah, fascinating. I mean, it's both horrifying and humorous at the same time. So I think this is one that I think everybody can relate to because when I read it, I mean, I just thought, well, I'm never not doing this again. So you write a post called, don't eat a demon. For heaven's sake, what is that about? Well, again, I can't make this up. We've got a number of people, probably like yourselves, frankly, who are spiritually attuned people, it's spiritually sensitive people and they have certain patriarchal gifts, spiritual gifts, which we need for our ministry. And the Lord provides these people for us and they sense demons and different kinds. We had one, we have one person who actually sees them. And that's very unusual. She really sees them and she's a mystical grace. So I'm having lunch with this person and the food's served and she's doesn't move. And I said, I said, what's the problem? He said, are you gonna bless the food? And I said, I can tell by looking at her face, I know her very well. I said, is something wrong with the food? She says, yeah. I said, are some demons on the food? She says, yes, fine. So I bless the food and it's gone. So anyway, and then dessert comes out and again, no movement. I say, hey, what's up? Demon's on the dessert. She goes, yes. But this time I said to her, I said, I want you to bless the food. No, no, I can't. I said, I insist, I want you to bless the food. She did demons left. So the moral of this, I mean, there's a couple of things to learn from that. First of all, what's going on back in that kitchen, that restaurant, people are cursing the food. There's a lot more people cursing things than we realize. Yes. So they're probably cursing the food. And my second takeaway was, when you go out to eat a restaurant, I'll take your mystic with you. Just... That's a great idea, Father. We actually have one in our community. I'll have to invite her to lunch more often. We do have one in our community. Yeah, so I'll take it with you, but also bless your food. So by the way, like yourself, I am much more assiduous in blessing my food now, always. That's right. Even the chips, Dan Burke. The chips at the Mexican restaurant, sorry, the snacks are, you know, I always figured it's covered later, but now with this story reminder, of course I read it when it first posted on spiritualdirection.com. So of course we're with the Monsignor Rosetti, Stephen Rosetti, who's written, I think, the best book on exorcism that I've ever read in terms of its practicality, humor, good information, helpfulness, you know, all of that published by Sophia Institute Press. They're just doing an amazing work just anyway, but Diarrhea of an American Exorcist, pick that up through spiritualdirection.com forward slash shop and I'm writing a book called Devil in the Castle and it's on the progressive nature of the soul and its progress of holiness and the perspective of St. Teresa of Avila on how the enemy puts barriers in the way and attacks us at various stages. If you want to get an advance participation in that book launch, text the word Castle, C-A-S-T-L-E to 833-820-5466, 833-820-5466, text the word Castle. We come back from the break, we'll continue with Monsignor and talk about the demonic hierarchy. We'll be right back. So that was 1245, Jordan Burke. 13, right at 13. So we wrapped up at 1230. Are you all related by the way with Burke and Jordan? Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's our eldest. Oh, nice, you're lucky. Well, we're very, we're very blessed. He's on fire for the faith and we get to see him every day. We love him like crazy and he's also a very holy young guy and helping others to do the same, which is really kind of cool. That's nice to have kids around. Yeah, he has his own kind of side ministry that's under our umbrella called Do the Harder Thing. Do the Harder Thing. So you can see his website and check him out on Instagram. But he's helping young people his age and young adults to fight the good fight against the culture and all the bad stuff out there. Very, very important. And one of the huge things, by the way, is the whole witch graphing. Do you see that article that was posted about why women are becoming witches and identifying self-witches? No, where is that, Father? I'd be interested to see it. I really like Carrie Gress's work on the anti-Mary exposed. Give me an email address and I will send you a link to this because I just think it's very important to find out where these people are coming from. We're live streaming, so don't say. We are live streaming, but we'll get it from you. Don't want everybody emailing stuff. The reason why, because this site on promoting witch grap has 452,000 people following it. And I'm going, wow, it's just stunning. It is stunning. And I think it really speaks to the brokenness of our society, the receptive nature of women and their lack of formation and protection and so many things. So, no, I'll look forward to getting that info from you. It's important, especially in the work that I do. All right, let's come back in from the break. You ready? And your mark, it said go. Welcome back. This is Dan and Stephanie Burke with Divine Intimacy Radio, Radio Haven of Rest. We're talking with Monsignor Stephen Rosetti, who's the author of Diary and American Exorcist published by Sophia Institute Press. Best book on Exorcism I've ever read. I've got a stack. So, Monsignor, I want to ask you about demons beating up other demons. They're pretty brutal. Tell us a bit about that reality. Again, as I mentioned earlier that the things that I put in my blog and in the book are things that I've experienced and I've had, so things that I would know, but that's what happens. So, at one point in one of the sessions, the demons are getting weaker and so they're responding to questions. And, of course, we limit our questions to those things which are appropriate to our exorcism. And so I asked them, is that when are you leaving? What are your names and how did you get here? And at one point the demons kind of start clamming up and I said, what's up here? And basically they said, well, we don't want to say anything more because the other ones will beat us up. And many times demons will want to leave and they'll say, I say, why aren't you leaving? And they'll say, well, Lucifer won't let me. And basically they'll torch them, beat them up. So, but it just makes sense that in hell, of course, there's no love, there's no fraternity. It is all fear and domination and power. And there's a huge hierarchy among angels and demons, of course, it's a very strict hierarchy. And the higher angels will threaten and beat up the demons, threaten and beat the lower demons. Not angels, of course, but demons do that. So it is just something I learned and has happened several times during sessions. That's really fascinating. I think it's just incredible that we understand that there is no love there. There's no fraternity. There's no camaraderie. Those are things of God and the camaraderie and the brotherhood and the unitedness that just doesn't exist among the demons. So they're very horrible to one another, to the worst extent and to the souls that they've claimed. So help us, Monsignor, to understand what are the doors to the demonic? Like what are those doors? We were mentioning during the break one of them being this uptick in witchcraft, especially among women. What are other doors that are, you were saying that really affect the lay and religious and priests that are most? Here's what I typically give as the cocktail, if you will, for getting possessed. Three things. One, stop practicing the faith. The most powerful protection we have, of course, is the faith and Jesus. And so when we practice our faith, we are putting on the armor of Christ, as the Bible tells us. But when we take off the armor, we're very much exposed, which is why someone who does not a believer should not be in a session of naturalism no more. So put on the armor of Christ and we take it off. Now you're vulnerable. Number two, start committing serious sins. And this creates the wounds, the spiritual wounds inside that the demons can enter through, so whether it's drugs, sex, power, whatever it is, start committing serious sins. And three, do something with the occult. In other words, basically invite Satan in. Do witchcraft, do Ouija boards, summoning the dead, using mediums, any of these sorts of things. There's some of these new age spiritualities, these sort of new age energy things. Basically, now you're getting Satan invitation. Take off the armor, start committing sins. You got the ones that now invite Satan. And those three things, well, if you keep it up long enough, you're gonna have spiritual problem for sure. And sadly, more of this is happening. People are not practicing the faith, the sexual and then drugs and all those kinds of sins are rampant. And then people are starting to do these of witchcraft and Ouija board things. And frankly, there is not enough exercise around to take care of it. You stupid priest, that's what you were told in your reflection number 17. What happened in that context and your theological reflection for that is, and of course that was the demon talking to you, right? Can lay people exercise demons? What was that all about? Well, as I said, we're talking about discernment. How do you know that the person is actually possessed and not just crazy, whatever. Here are the walkers. One of those is when after about 15 minutes of praying over the person, this other personality comes forward, which is not the other person. It's really wicked, evil. And the rage in their eyes is something you can't, you can't, no act can do that. And the feeling stuff, you know, the feeling of the presence of evil. I mean, it's just you feel it in your guts. You go, whoa. And then they look up and say, you stupid priest. They, if you take a knife, they'd run it through you. They hate priests. And when a priest shows up, well, by the way, one actually is me going in a, officer at abscess, I hate the day she met you. Well, the reason is the priest acts in the name of the church and then in the person of Jesus. So it is the power of Christ. And so I think people know that. We have many non-Catholics and people from Islam, Jewish people, whatever, they start having demonic problems. What do you call? Call a Catholic priest. That's what you want. And the demons don't like it when we show up. So in that reflection, number 17, you also talked through this theological reality about the limits of lay people and who can exercise a demon. Of course, I think most people get this, but talk a little bit about why that's important to understand. Well, first of all, I believe as baptized Christians, we all have a certain based presence, the ability to bless other people and to cast out demons, whatever. But the priest does so in the person of Christy, he does so name the church and his special protections. For example, in an exorcism session, it's not uncommon that I'm doing the exorcism thing the possessed person will lunge at me and boom, stop about that far from my face because there's a wall, a spiritual wall they can penetrate. But so lay people should be careful about this. We do encourage them to say deliverance prayers. Yes, and new parents have a special authority over each other and your children as well. So that's good. But we encourage you not to use imprecatory prayers. Don't go face to face with the demons and say, I command you to lead. That's what the priest says. Exorchise, I command you to, I exercise you. Add you to it, I command you. But we should use deprecatory prayers. Asking God, our heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, we ask you to come and cast out these demons. And so you don't wanna do too much face to face deliverance work unless you're really protected and be a little cautious. Yeah, absolutely. And it's really fascinating. We talked about, you were just mentioning that you do encourage the laity within the context of what's safe and rational and protected. It's very powerful, incredibly, just it's beautiful to watch someone to stand in their will, in their faith and repeat the prayers where they are claiming Christ and they are claiming the name of Jesus and rejecting the woundedness, the unforgiveness, the ungodly spirits that have been affecting them for years. I literally saw one woman that we walk through through Liberazio, which is the type of deliverance ministry that we utilize that has been vetted and it's safe. We're very, very cautious and careful, but she looked radiant. And in her case, she had not heard the words, I love you from her parents when she was little. She had never heard those words. And so afterwards, as she was kind of in the afterglow, she kept hearing, beloved, beloved, beloved, and she was delighted. She was so free and so joyful. So it's certainly there aren't enough to exorcise around and this kind of support helps you take care of that, which really only you can do. And we can assist with some of the minor things that just come from woundedness or choices in our lives that aren't of the level of the doors of the demonic that we were speaking about. Tell us about the power of St. Michael and the angelic powers. What, how did the angels assist in this ministry? We were told and it was revealed to us and I believe it's true that at every actualism session, at least one of the angels from the rank of powers is present so that the nine inquiries of angels, powers are in the middle. They're fairly stout angels and so we had at least one. And I was told that at one point we actually had eight of them in the room. So we always call on the angels to help. And that's, if you look under the role of angels, you'll see that the powers of heaven are often used to cast out demons. And St. Michael, I mean, we call it the center, the St. Michael center. As an exorcist, you love the Virgin Mary. I mean, if you don't love the Virgin Mary, you're in the wrong business, you know? It's really, I think in ministry, the Lord is given to our mother to cast out, to stop on Satan's head. But we love the angels. I mean, your life becomes almost a little bit more angelic than on the earth. And so you live, the angels are brothers or sisters or brothers, they don't have gender, but. But so I love the angels and it's great. And we feel it, we feel it in our center. You know, we talked about it after we, we moved into this new building and after a couple days, you know, because when we first got in the building, we said, hmm, I'm flat. And I just kind of, you know what? And after about three or four days, we all looked around and said, it feels great in here, doesn't it? I said, yeah, I feel like a lot of people are around as there are. So you, it was, it's a great, we love the angels. Awesome. Awesome. We're with Monsignor Rosetti and we're wrapping up another conversation of diary of an American exorcist. Before we go, I want to make sure you know that we endorse this book at the highest, at the highest level. You know, we do see a lot of good books come through, come across our table. There's a lot of good books on exorcism, even other books from Sophia Institute Press and other places. This one's the best diary of an American exorcist, demon possession, the modern day battle against evil. Sophia Institute Press, you can go get this out at spiritualdirection.com. We're grateful to the work of Monsignor Rosetti and all the priests who are exorcists. We really encourage you to pray daily for priests in general, but in particular for exorcists. And also I want to tell you about a book that I've got underway, not on exorcism, but on how to stay out of exorcism. It's called The Devil in the Castle. If you want to learn about that, 833-820-5466 is the number. Text Castle, 833-820-5466. Text Castle and thank you again Monsignor and we'll hope to continue our conversation on Divine Intimacy Radio. Okay, until next time, may the God of peace make you perfect in holiness, may he preserve you whole and entire spirit, soul, and body, irreproachable at the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thanks again Monsignor. Thank you Monsignor. It's been great being with you again. Look forward to when we get to meet you face to face. The be absurd. Can you give us our blessing before you leave Father? May Almighty God bless you all and your son and all those there and your entire ministries and staff and friends, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and men, may the holy angels watch over you. Thank you. Amen. Thank you again. God bless you. God bless you. Rest assured of our prayers. Now, give me your email.