 better. Oh my god. Yes, I'm feeling much better. I'm just tired because my dog woke me up early with a bathroom emergency. Ken, was that last comment to me or to Jack on the email, Fred? It was to Jack. I didn't have a chance to respond to yours because this call was coming up, so. No, that's fine. I got all confused with Google documents, you know, responding through Google and through whatever. Yeah, let me see what you said. No, no, I agreed with you. Yeah, I thought it was really fascinating that, you know, they did this experiment on social media when people didn't know that they were talking to the ops political party warning sword. And as soon as they evoked, you know, Republicans, Democrats, plummeted. So I went to the Annenberg School website on YouTube and their channel and pulled up a bunch of videos of his as well as there's a long one. It's about 60 minutes long. I haven't had a chance to watch it. Hey, Todd. Hello. Just fascinated by this idea of one of them was talking about group thing versus collective intelligence. And so they ran an experiment where they'd asked people how many jelly beans in this jar or how many calories in this meal. And people had a chance individually to say their guests, they had three chances and their guesses didn't get any better. Then they allowed them to talk to other people where everybody was equal. And they'd show the average number of guesses. And after three times, guesses got much more accurate as to whether or not they were correct. And then they ran the experiment with a thought leader centered in, you know, okay, I'm the I'm the guy I'm the expert. Right. And again, collective intelligence went down. So there's something about the equality of speaking with people with no one person having any hierarchy or, you know, expertise above the others that leads to collective intelligence. And this is very important for my work as somebody who tries to evoke collective intelligence in organizations. So I got to do some more research on this, I'll probably end up buying his book. But I'm just fascinated by the whole approach. Hey, Stuart. Hi, guys. Morning. Morning. Welcome. Or afternoon. Yeah, we got a couple of people from whom it's afternoon. And if Mila shows up, it'll be evening for her. So how is everybody? Good to start us going here. Oh, wow. It's really pretty. I haven't looked out my window yet. I guess it's coming here if it's not yet. Yeah. Well, you're you're west of me. So probably hit you first. But yeah, those big huge flakes that are that are gorgeous. Beautiful. Where is Stuart? Where are you? I'm in Alameda, California. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And I went to the, I don't know if anybody has seen the Banksy exhibit. I saw it yesterday at the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco, which I, which I never really kind of walked around. I always just went inside to events. Wow, what a gorgeous. Oh, yeah. What a gorgeous, amazing, amazing complex. But anyway, the first thing when you walk into Banksy, the Banksy exhibit, there's a one of his, his slogans. And the slogan is think outside the box, collapse the box, and take a fucking sharp knife to it. Love that. Which I just hope for think outside period. Right. So it's the Banksy exhibit.com. And then San Francisco is the the current one, but Banksy exhibit is the art of Banksy. It's a private collection, an authorized private collection. Yeah. So interesting. Yeah. Wait, unauthorized? You mean like, anonymous? Well, don't know who it's by, but there's all this Banksy's Banksy's working irony, like Andy Warhol was working irony. Yeah. So, you know, unauthorized private collection, whatever, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. If there are any Simpsons fans here, I just put a link to the Banksy opening for the Simpsons, which if you haven't seen is really historical and heartbreaking at the same time. So I'm a big Simpsons fan. Yes. And I had the bank, that's, I had that one before as well. Yeah. I was drag kicking and streaming into the Simpsons. I resisted for years thinking it was gonna be really stupid. And then my wife had a colleague at work who collected them all and she brought home the, the, you know, the first season and I was hooked inside of 10 minutes. I was like, okay, this is, this is awesome. I tried to watch Futurama thinking I would love it and then like just stalled out right away. So I think I just didn't get enough time or something. But, but yeah, groaning is pretty, pretty genius about humor and, and I like their humor a lot more than I like other, other approaches. So if you're, if you like Guillermo del Toro, Troll Hunters, Tales of Arcadia is really great. It's DreamWorks does the animation, so it's like really high quality animation. And it's just a great story of teenage boys and trolls and teenage girls and how they have to work together as a team. I mean, you know, there's a fat kid there who gets, gets brought in and treated as an equal and becomes a superhero. I mean, it's really a lovely, lovely story. And it's just a fun one. Use it as a palette cleanser after I've watched something dark and disturbing, I have to go and find something to, you know, before I go to sleep, sort of clear my mind. And that is one thing about Ken. He does like some dark stuff. Yeah, you saw my Google sheet. Yeah. Well, I think we should probably start. I don't know if Mila's going to join us or not. So thoughts about the last episode? Well, first, my, the version I saw was all messed up. Yes. The video didn't sync with the audio. The video said it was two hours long, but it really was only an hour long. So I basically moved it to the side, forgot the video entirely and just listened to it like a podcast. And that was okay. But that was disconcerting and got me in a bad place. And then I found it kind of a mishmash. I found it less organized and less, less interesting than the other two. I had the same experience of watching, you know, them speak and other people are on the screen saying things and I'm hearing Helene's voice and there's, you know, there's this guy there. And it was very, very confusing. So like you, I just basically listened and didn't really pay much attention to the screen. Anybody else? Stewart, go ahead. Yeah. And that being said, it still stimulated a whole bunch of thinking. On my part in terms of, you know, once again, the information wasn't new and some of the suggestions of things that we could do weren't new, but the time is different. And, you know, maybe it's more, there's a quickening going on now in terms of people's realization. And so I started, you know, kind of clicking off how to have just a massive campaign. And this morning when I was out walking, I thought of, I don't know if anybody, some of you probably remember, you know, Lady Bird Johnson's campaign to clean up the trash all over the, you know, the interstate highways. I mean, you know, growing up in the 50s, you just throw trash out your car windows on a family trip. It was just, you know, Deira Gore and she started this whole campaign. And so yeah, it's time to clean up the heat on the planet to lessen global warming and just the notion of having some mass campaign to do that. You know, unfortunately, it's probably going to involve shutting down the airlines or something, something, something like that until, you know, technologies that are developed and that that are sustainable. So that's where I went with the episode. Ken and I had a conversation this week about the golden age of television that we're in. Neither of us own a television, but we watch shows. And the how much great storytelling there is and the production value is so high on so many things that I'm spoiled, that I feel like the anecdotes, the content, the overall arc are all good, but I'm spoiled by amazing storytelling. And I wonder how much different it would get to the heart of all of us if there was music, if there were great visuals, if there were not talking heads, if there was not informal language but scripted and delivered with voice talent. And so that's, it's kind of hard to judge like how is this because like you said, Stuart, it's not new information. The power of the storytelling can go way up. So Todd, you're saying that the production quality would improve and would increase the power? Production quality and the narrative formation. So, you know, I signed on to this partly because of the people who are offering it, both the people who are creating it and the people who are in this group. But I also, what resonated with me is facts don't change people's minds. And yet I have gotten a lot of facts. I mean, that's facts plus anecdotes delivered in a highly personal way, but it was mostly facts. So I think moving from facts to storytelling is you go beyond the research, let's research and collect and organize and have people who are experts at crafting something. So I'm really on both sides of that. I'm really mixed on it because for me, historically, production value has been inverse often to emotional connection that things that look authentic and immediate are much more interesting than things that are highly polished. I'm a big fan of the Dogma 95 cinema movement set up by Lars von Trier and some renegade Danish directors who were like, when they bring in the violins to cue you to start crying, that's manipulation and that's not good. And so Dogma 95 was like, hey, there's a movie and here's some rules about the vow of charity, the vow of chastity, which are like, how are you going to shoot movies? So on the one hand, and then also I come out of the newsletter business. I used to write a tech industry newsletter where intentionally most of my peer newsletters looked like they were typed even though that we were no longer using IBM Selectrix, there would be a Selectrix font and a couple of the editors of the newsletters were famously like, leave a couple typos in it, makes it look like it just hot off the presses. All that said, storytelling is king, judicious use of narrative and all these other kinds of things is fabulous. Well thought through crafted thinking or story arc or something like that is really important. And then to me, that's different from production value. You could have three amateurs sort of just voicing something with a great narrative and I'd be like, totally in there. And then you have things like the Annie Leonard story of stuff, which went viral back some years ago, and was a beautifully rendered drawn, you know, person standing in line drawing, rendition of, hey, look at all this crap we're generating and what happens to it and how it ends up in the waistband that worked really, really well. So I'm kind of on both sides of that. And I get suspicious when production value goes up. So Jason Silva's shots of awe, I just roll my eyes. Like when I watch anything Jason Silva does mostly, it's so overproduced and has so many like, here's a galaxy, here's an here's an atom, here's a baby. Can you believe it? But it appeals to some people and that's cool. Right. But but his is like on the overproduced side where I'm like, man, can you just like rain that sucker in a little bit? You might actually be really powerful because he's so passionate. Yeah, that's interesting that there is the line in which authenticity wanes. If the intent is to manipulate, I don't know if that is the line itself, but the intent is to communicate versus manipulate. And now I want to go back and watch other stuff and see how I feel. So this is a yes and comment. Because I mean, I agree better production value would have really helped a lot, but there's another part of me that says, and we are the story that continues. So Todd, you had dropped off the last call. And I thought to myself, so what can we do to bring this forward? For me, there's so much value in this kind of a meeting. So I suggested that we host one of our own. And when I went out last night, there was a couple that I've met them a few times, but I didn't know them well. And I was talking to my girlfriend, I was just telling her about my day. And the one woman heard me talk about this, she was like, Oh, could you share that? I want to do it because my sister and I said to her, they're raising money to get better production value. And then when I do it, I'll invite you. And I know that when I have, when I convene that gathering, there's going to be all different types of people there. And that's part of the beauty in it. So again, I really, I've said it from the beginning, the minute Ken posted this, I really love this idea for a number of different reasons. Maybe if I were doing it, I'd only show episode two, which starts with the animals. And, you know, if I were doing it, because I know the kind of people I'd have, for, you know, people that are already totally involved in the environmental movement, maybe not so much. It's not, it's, that's not the purpose. Wendy, did you have a reaction you want to share with us? Yeah. Thanks, Ken. Trying to build on what other people are saying, because I agree with everything that's been shared so far. I think for me too, I was looking back at the three episodes. And Stacey, what you were just saying too, I almost feel like I want a second version, right? Like, for people who have been thinking about this for a long time, but maybe are out of touch with the science. Like, so the first one, I still think has had, I think all three of them had value for me. But I would love to see the first one redone with a whole added deeper layer or going further or somehow with an understanding that the audience has heard, you know, the basics before. And so can we use that hour to push it a little further? Same thing with a second, same thing with a third. I especially felt like this third one was very much geared towards people who hadn't thought about this anymore, you know, really before. And it was, I thought, worded very well in the sense that it was very welcoming and saying that you could start anywhere, right? You start with the things that excite you. Start with the things that, you know, are just in your neighborhood or whatever. It doesn't have to be big and then see how it grows. I liked that they did that. I think so much of what we have been shown through media has been more shock and awe and trying to get, and ending off in a place that basically communicates, this is a big problem, needs a big solution. And then everybody's like, well, oh, well, like, I guess there's nothing I can do about that. So I think their invitation to start small and not worry about the big picture, I think was really, really smart. However, I would like to be in a place and would love our group to go to that place if we want to Okay, so now what for those of us that are that have been thinking about this for a long time, right? Where can we insert ourselves? And I'm also a person that hates. Yeah, like, I guess, hates is the right word. I'm catching myself and like, no, I kind of I hate when things are when when energy's wasted. So when I see the same thing happening in 16 different places and the struggle with trying to start something new 16 times over versus people combining efforts or sharing best practices. So that's where I'm living right now is trying to provide a framework in which people can share best practices so that we're not repeating things. And even though my goal isn't isn't climate change specific. Oh boy, is it back there from my perspective that it's always urging me forward, you know, but it's not. Again, I'm hoping that what I'm the project I'm working on is not just going to help us with climate change will help with everything else which also helps climate change like I you know to me it doesn't. It's not specific so I'm looking at more meta I feel like this group is a little more meta and it would be nice to kind of talk about it from that perspective. I do have a suggestion when we're ready to move into this thing I got from a friend who used to work at IDEO of a way of critiquing of I liked I wish I wonder but I just wanted to sort of start with reactions and where people are having watched it so if at some point you want to start going into what what during Todd we're getting into of you know I really like this about this I really wish they had done this and I wonder what would happen if they if they thought about it from this perspective that's a way to sort of move into a different sort of conversation but I just want to stay with the overall feeling tone of you know are you happy that you that you watched it I'm certainly happy I've been part of this group I mean I love you all of you you're lovely wonderful people and it's been a pleasure and privileged to be with you and I I came away with a lot of mixed feelings you know part of me is like I actually thought they didn't and now I'm getting into the critique of I didn't think they did enough to stimulate a sense of urgency that that land that did not really land well for me I don't maybe it's because I've been on this for over 30 years and I've I've really faced out some very bleak and dark things about it but I felt I could have been a lot more there and I also thought Todd was pointing to this they rely too much on data and science and there was this wonderful man on one of the OGM calls recently is it Richard from they've retired from the EPA and he's telling this story because you know and there's this guy and he stands up and he puts his thumbs and his smell goes well that's all fine but I don't believe in science you know and what do we do to reach those people who don't believe in science which really seems to be missing from this so Richard Hammond yeah I hope he keeps coming back he's terrific to listen to that that that even sounded like so uh you know from an emotional standpoint I would I think there could have been much more impact to carry me along and take me out of my critiquing mind but just pull me in tell me a great story I don't care so much I love good production values but you know you could have very simple drawings uh like the story of stuff right which are very line drawings and it didn't need you know huge a lot of money to make yes I'm sure it did unfortunately but you know as I doodle you could probably do do that fairly easily you know so um I also would have really liked more thoughtful engagement there was a lot of telling and not a lot of showing and not a lot of think about this you know they asked you think about somebody who's going to be how old they'll be in 2050 some child that you're in your life but or you if you're if you're a younger person or if you're me it's probably gonna be you know ash um but how do we how can we present this in a way that really evokes deep thinking in people and maybe stop and have this conversation if you're doing this in a group pause the tape you know talk about this what's what's this evoking in you what is it what does it mean to you um I think that would have been much more powerful for me if that had been part of the invitation so um I think it would be useful for all of us to have um perspective on this this was admittedly I don't know if they said it but it's obvious this was an amateur creation it's an amateur creation but we all know the message is a critical one for right now and so what can we give them by way of feedback to bump it up such that it would have real value and real usefulness um I think that there's there's um the idea of kind of a homey message uh woven with some things with great high production values could be an effective um mechanism and presentation I'm sure that that there are lots of people out there who would volunteer on time and effort to produce something um that could have broad impact and I agree I agree about this I agree about the the um the science piece it's almost like you know a message saying you know it really isn't too late it really isn't too late with you know a few documented punching points of what's what is still possible at this at this moment in time something to kind of cut through um all the noise um that's out there yeah and Ken I think you mentioned that something that'll reach different markets that'll reach different people who are on different stages of um awareness engagement um yeah so so it's a good start in some sense but it's a first draft you know I think that was Wendy actually talking about the different people but yeah thanks um Stuart thanks thanks for bringing us back to hey this was an amateur production on purpose and and we're holding it up to a much higher standard partly because it's being it's being promoted or disseminated a lot as hey let's get groups together and do this so at that point some of the ante goes up but but clearly that was like where they started um it reminded me a little bit some guy mentioned a couple years ago he said when old people get together the first thing they do is often he calls it the organ recital and my kidney's been acting up and like you know my my left I don't know and my just because like you know function I just had my left re-estab replaced and I don't know it's just not working right and it and it felt like episode one was the organ recital of earth there's microplastics and everything and the ice sheets are melting although I'm not sure they got there they didn't touch ocean acidification they touched a bunch of crises but it was it was a litany of crises which all of us are very familiar with I think mostly and I would have loved Jean Bellinger or Christina Bowen just on the side with a kumu map connecting those things and showing how some of these things tip other things into hyper velocity and unexpected places and a little animation of you know you're in this valley over here and suddenly you sort of tip out of this valley and you're like on a roller coaster to good who knows where because the systems once they tip are unstable and wind up in in in other configurations you can't really predict and blow up a couple things like that I don't know sort of systems mapping systems thinking systems flow diagramming but at a but at a level that's really accessible and I'm not sure who does that best but I wanted some of that and then episode three seemed like well you could buy nothing new and there's a couple people who did the buy nothing new thing and published about it and all that show their articles or point to them but there I was like you know it'd be really handy to have a great long list the thing I wrote down from that part of the episode was join a local chapter of a global movement that seems to be doing some good cool give me a list yeah let's let's make a nice big shared list like like you know Vincent is doing with trove or or or Wendy would like to have on the tapestry or whatever but but let's have let's have a list of good places and chapters and I actually think that those chapter conversations are really interesting and important and then and then one thing that we started with here that's just jumping out at me is the the Damon Centola video Ken that you shared with us which is when you attach political labels to the conversation suddenly collective intelligence just plunges and and I mentioned at the start of this when our in our first conversation a couple days ago that if they don't touch the politics of this and what's going on I'll be really dismayed and I am I'm totally dismayed that that none of the the sort of mind hacking that's going on that's keeping us from addressing these things wasn't wasn't addressed but I'll say that the Centola video which I watched just before this made me think oh I kind of what I wasn't thinking about this very deeply but I was kind of thinking how can the progressive ideas about how to fix this win and I wasn't thinking man Democrats and Republicans are both really fucked up a belief I have and how can we step out of political references and frames to solve these things together in like intelligent ways but I wasn't stepping outside of the political frames enough in my head and I think that's useful yeah it what's important I think and they didn't hit this is to very cogently make the case you know here the here the benefits you know here here the potential benefits boom boom boom boom boom and they're all there you know the economic benefits the the planetary benefits caring about your your your descendants you know the food sources the healthier I mean it's just it the litany is just is just amazing you know versus we want to keep on going the way we're going because this is the way of life this is the you know yeah I mean it that can be done hitting all those pieces and and they need to hit those you know those need to be stated clearly mm-hmm with with as as some time I think you mentioned earlier the notion of people aren't persuaded by facts they're persuaded by stories and you can have all kinds of different stories for in each one of those areas right yeah I reminded several years ago Reuters did a series on rising seas and they did not use any satellite photos or anything they used to hide records now people in keeping records of tides for like 150 170 years right and you know I grew up around the water and there's a high tide marker and a low tide marker you know and and you know a tire boat here in low tide and tie it up here on high tide and and so there's this woman who I think started 2014 or so she's a tea partier she's a county supervisor and she's standing on the dock of her sitting at near the dock of her family home on Chesapeake Bay because I don't believe in global warming but I can't deny the fact that my dock is underwater right that is irrefutable it's like evidence based you know and so that's the kind of thing to invite people to say what has changed in your life you know as you look over your your own experience what evidence do you see that things are getting better and what evidence do you see that things are in crisis and how does that make you feel and what do you want to do about it you know those to me would be really potent questions to pose can you just hit a kind of a critical point when you quoted her as saying I don't believe no no no no no no this is this is not a question of whether you believe in it or not this is you know yeah this is the science here I'm really briefly many years ago I had a project in Los Angeles for I don't know three months something like that and we were in oakwood apartments and the client was in the sentry city twin towers and so we would drive up I think it was olympic boulevard or something like that every day and one day there was a big rain shard that never rains in LA but there's a big rain shower and that day we did the same commute which we've been doing now for a couple months up to the twin towers and right there between the twin towers of sentry city was the hollywood sign like right there crisp as you want and I was like hmm that's been there the whole time I'm pretty sure I don't think they moved it or it suddenly popped up and then we went up to our floor and looked around and you could see airplanes landing at LAX and taking off and it looked like like wee little ants and you could see every wrinkle in the hills and and everything had been washed off and cleaned and polished and the air was crystal and it was it was incredible you know and and one of the things I felt long ago was for people who doubt man-made climate change just take them to the edge of one of the major cities that's all polluted take them to the edge of Bangkok Mexico City Los Angeles or whatever and have them stand on an average day New Delhi have them stand on Beijing on an average day and just look around and say like like this stuff isn't infinite it doesn't just blow away we're doing this kind of now at a global scale and when doesn't that bother you right because because there's just really practical things that are happening that are at hand that are that that illustrate this really well. Go ahead Stacy. Yeah I just want to point out that it's not even just about the people that don't believe in climate change we passed that point there are people that believe it's happening believe it can't be stopped and are okay with that because that's part of God's will there's a there are other so so it's like this it's this acceptance so again to emphasize how much value I think there is in convening people that you're loosely related to it changes you know we had a threat a vegan threat and I shared a story about how there was a restaurant and it would have these vegan nights and even though I wasn't vegan I went it was a social experience and you know it became like a fun thing to do and it changed the attitudes that people had because not everybody that went there was vegan and nobody was shamed for not being vegan so getting people to do things for different reasons it doesn't matter what their reason is as long as they change their behavior so I'm saying maybe it's not so important you know to keep fighting over like they don't care about the science so why do we keep trying to reach them on the science they told us they don't care why aren't we listening to what they're telling us so I just want to share that a very good question I think actually can too we're okay like 10 thoughts okay sorry stewart first reacting to your question about like maybe we can give them feedback on on how to make it better and stacy just talking about you know why are we trying to reach them you know and and these people who don't want you know with science who's saying that science isn't working right and what was my thought so the tipping point I think there's multiple paths here right and so this goes back to kind of my comment about wanting different videos for different audiences different sets of videos and that's that's a bigger production so to keep it simpler even just them sharing things like the article can that you just shared with us about the tipping point right that's in there's something about that's kind of thing that's inspirational right it helps people know especially towards the end hey little things do make a difference right it's we're not trying to get to some and and I guess that's the comment I was trying to make either last time we met or the time for that where I was saying you know I'm at a place where I'm actually not even interested anymore and talking to the people who aren't already interested in doing something I think there are so many people who are interested in doing something and just don't know what to do that there's we've got I'd be very surprised if we didn't according to the poll nationwide polls I'd be very surprised if we didn't already have the percentages that we needed to make change people just it's the friction to the change that's the issue and I don't think them that are issue even with the friction is that it's the people who don't believe in it I think that was a major friction point before I don't think that's our major friction point now what I'm seeing and again I'm thinking more meta here is a lot for a lot of the people doing a lot of little things around are looking to take all that stuff to the next step right and coordinate maybe regionally or across communities or you know things like that and and I think that that's there's a lot of friction right there and so yeah but that's of course people who know the stuff I'm working on would know that's my perspective that's I also recognize that's my perspective on things so whether it's helping an individual just start to get involved or it's helping people who are already involved to get more involved connect with each other share best practices or it's helping people that have entire organizations or entire have have shifted their entire business around or right here those stories from people who have actually done the work that goes back to what you guys were saying in terms of like hearing the stories I think those are the stories I would like most to hear because they're inspirational less about oh my god the crisis part although I'm okay with that too but I'd love to hear more about what's working well what have people done that's worked well and then and right and you see how that like could shift people from an individual action oh that kind of worked for me to a community action to a more global and orchestrated and integrated work um it seems to me that a lot of this is about retellable star stories um if only auto correct wouldn't stop me from from writing that down in the chat um I'll I'll type it in once I'm done but um years ago Dave Witzel his wife Claudia and I visited a renew a regenerative farm north of outside of Sebastia Paul and uh in California it was lovely I learned a ton of stuff and one of the stories I've told multiple times was about the time a couple years earlier where uh uh Elizabeth Kaiser I think I think it was Paul and Elizabeth Kaiser are the owners of Singing Frogs Farm uh she was there was a really big storm outside and uh she got a call from her neighbor and her neighbor's like things are flooding we're going to have to harvest right now do you need any help they were offering sort of help and she was sitting by the fire like reading because their their plot of land was absorbing water like thank you so much this is delicious and they were not in any flooding threat and they were like right next door um and she's like we're doing okay thank you we don't need that help but also we're not having that crisis you're having because our soil has actually been remediated and look looky I'm sitting here by the fire reading a magazine um and that really stuck with me because because those firsthand stories carry and they're simple they're just really simple but they illustrate the multiple benefits of soil regeneration soil fertility what have you right um anyway I think that lots of nuggets you know if story core kind of things were available for these kinds of stories over and over and over and over lather rinse repeat lather rinse repeat let's drop vows on tiktok and twitter and whatever like like instead of hey here's the toast I had for breakfast and watch me do a really asinine dance well one of the things that dismayed me you said earlier you hate wasted energy um I was on a call a month ago about axi infinity and nft gaming and all that kind of stuff and it broke my heart that a third of the population of the philippines is busy playing a stupid ass game that pits axle lot fake axolotls against each other so that they can earn a little bit more money than they might earn turkey on amazon because they're trying to feed their families because pandemic lockdown has blown up their jobs and and never mind that nfts burn insane amounts of energy out in the real world etc etc and it's like just heartbreaking and I was like could we please bend all of these different technologies and things that we have towards them good and and and when I see that the and I realize you know the cute cat theory of internet censorship says you need to have all the junk stuff on there so that when the the dictator cuts off your internet everybody gets mad um but could we like raise the level of conversation just a wee bit and tell some of these stories for example you know I I like that they um talked about the story of more I thought that was a nice catchy phrase the story of more that really resonated well and I kept waiting for what's the story of less or what's the next line what's what comes after the story of more that is attractive that's going to pull me into wanting to make this change I think that would be another thing that that goes into the retellable stories right of I'm reading Teeming right now by Tamsen Willie Barker and I highly highly recommend it God it's a fun read she's just a lovely writer and you know she asked the question how do you compound infinite wealth on a finite planet and you know nature's really good at this it's been doing it for billions of years and the way that super organisms work and are successful is they are always focused on the next generation and I think that's a part of the story that's missing here is if we can reclaim our connection to the next generation to supporting you know and ensuring that they have what they need to be successful it will shift things dramatically and to that end I often you know Jerry's heard me say this before but you know I was in a living room in Marin County in 1990 or 1991 when I first heard about the seven generations and you know I thought oh how the hell does anybody think 140 years ahead a generation is 20 years seven generations out that 140 who can think 140 years out and then I learned that the seven generations does not mean 140 years in the future it means right now that if a person lived a good life they'd know seven generations they know their great grandparents their grandparents their parents their siblings their children their grandchildren their great grandchildren and there's always seven generations walking through time so you always take into account voices from every of those every one of those generations in your decisions and we've gotten away from that so how can we what's the invitation to bring people back into thinking about how do we ensure the success of the next generation our success has already been assured and we you know we're here we've got all this these resources now we have to figure out how to leave the legacy of translating all of what we've accumulated and come to know both both tangible wealth and intangible into the success of the next generation to me that feels like a really powerful story kind of a non-partisan story too yeah uh I think of uh gold of my years saying to I don't remember who it was at the time but you know it might have been Yasser Arafat um you know I can forgive us for not wanting to work with each other but I cannot forgive us if we allow our grandchildren to go up hating each other something along those lines you know we've got to be investing in in the generations that are coming up behind us and when we allow corporations with enormous uh wealth and power to disconnect and and simply serve themselves we've signed our own death warrant so I'm I'm curious what are you know we all kind of came into this with some thoughts about what we were hoping to gain from it and um I'm now curious at the other end what are people hoping to leave with today what were they hoping did they kind of get what they came for and what are they hoping next step so when we sign off what do we hope today what are we hoping to have gained or to want to continue and I have not answered that question for myself which is why I'm yeah well I've I've got I got what I want I wanted the chance to hang out with you all and you know deep in the relationships because um Jerry I know very well Stuart Lasso Wendy and I have worked a little bit she's helped me edit some things Stacey is new to my life Todd is new I just wanted the chance to hang out with people that I know have sharp minds and soft hearts which is my favorite combination right so that's been really fulfilling for me I also wanted a chance to look at how are people like Frederick all who I have great respect for and Helene who I did not know until this how are they framing this and what are they doing to to put this out in the world because it's been something that's been a part of my life now since about 1987 88 so 35 years right um and was that 45 35 years don't make myself older so I feel informed in that regard of okay this is how they're going about it I can see some real utility and some great value in this and I can see ways to improve it and I do want to give them some feedback and I was hoping to have a greater emotional attachment to this but I'm fairly neutral about it like this didn't really jazz me you know it's like okay yeah it's yeah so so but but I I'm really happy with the fact that we did watch it that we all got together and talked about it and so in from that perspective I feel terrific yeah I would echo 10 thoughts and and I would add in some ways I've been sitting in um well there is no real hope around around the climate issue that that you know um so I'm going to spend the rest of my days you know doing other kinds of work um and if I can make a contribution in this area in some way I will but it's not going to be on the in the in the forefront and yet in some ways this is um it's it's it's re-engaged me because it is it is so important it is so critical um and and it's got me thinking about you know what what I might do um in this in this area um and and this is an important thing not to let you know I mean you can't let it drop out um but it doesn't seem forefront if you look at the you know political discussion it's not forefront uh and yet it's just such a foundational piece um how can we how can we kind of elevate it in the political discourse as the quintessential questions of our generation mm-hmm we created the mess and how are we gonna uh uh in some ways you leave behind at least a path at least a path yeah um for me because I'm compulsive about doing these kinds of things I've been wait wait wait it's been 45 minutes so we've not seen the break right we haven't had a we haven't had a look at Jerry's break actually 45 minutes he was there before you guys came on I figured you guys were all hungry for it nice to hear um so this is today's group discussion this is the video and these are the things you know I pointed to urban gleaning and Ray Anderson and by nothing new in the bystander effect which they mentioned but each of our each of our conversations actually has its own link and here is the video that I uploaded for our call two days ago and the first one is up here and and these are all the things that we've been sort of pulling together and underneath are the things that we sort of said uh that are new or might be interesting so so so for me and I'm doing this now habitually with any interesting call or group I feel like I'm kind of adding some bits to the fungus the big fungus that I talk about curating and I wish I could connect this to other people's bits of the fungus so I'm I'm going to share a link right now to that to today here's the link to today's call in my brain and it feels to me like when I do that I'm contributing to some kind of solution over time and the insights so so the thing I related a moment ago about the uh the video that that Damon's video that's a Damon's and Tolla's video that clicked in place oh partisanship I haven't been thinking enough about partisanship sipping out of that that that's personally for me a little tiny piece of the puzzle of how to step into this better and what to do and if I can manifest that in this little funny fungus map that's good because then it's shareable outside to other people uh somehow and then the question is how do we how do we get these stories told how do we propagate the memes how do we get these hundreds of different communities that are thirsty to solve these problems to link arms loosely and to find each other because in aggregate they're probably over 25 percent of the population already but they don't know each other they can't find each other they don't know where to link arms and we don't want one big green political party that everybody joins that's not going to work at least that's my belief now it as soon as this degenerates to politics and it becomes I won the vote you lost the vote we have we have control over this over the the governmental rudder it degenerates and you get the stupid ass Mexican standoff we have right now across the world not just in the US um so so for me for me the the benefit here the progress was getting a bunch of insights and then weaving them into something durable even if obscure even if extremely obscure uh but but durable that I can sort of put back out there lather and repeat and maybe someday uh we figure out how all these things fit and maybe someday my little web of of insights connects up with Christina Bowen's web of insights connects up with you know some roam users web of insights etc etc you know um just just briefly uh yesterday Ken and I were on a call with uh a woman named Ayelet Baron and and one of the things that Ayelet mentioned um was the number of people planetary why planet-wide who are actually in this conversation already and the word tipping point was used earlier um in this in in our dialogue today and I'm just wondering you know where we are on that edge of of of tipping point um we may be closer than than than we think uh so you know that's that's kind of the the the piece of good news as you weave pieces that you come across you know in your life Stacey to that to that point and going back to the damon video the way I had answered Ken in the email was to say that I've been telling my people on Facebook for a long time that if the media just removed the labels under the different congress people they were talking to there would be a lot of alignment so um I think we are closer to that tipping point and to answer the question of what I got out of this so for me this was I don't see us as the intended audience that being said aside from wanting to meet you what I'm always looking towards is how does collaboration start so I was kind of looking at us as the experiment what's going to happen as a result of our coming together what might sprout and it might not be directly related but it's all related so that that's what so I'm very pleased that I did this yeah that I'm gonna hold on to that quote Stacey it might not be directly related but it's all related that's that's fitting um yeah yeah that I've I've reaped benefits this week um partly feeling connected to you all um partly being immersed in and something a little bit for a little while just shifts my internal orientation towards the whole topic so it's um I feel energized in that way like you can like I was expecting like an emotional um whack and so I think part it was the expectation of of that that whack never coming and now I'm realizing well I've been taking a thousand whacks over the last 10 years and one whack is not going to do it um I'm also I'm always curious and about movement building and I think that there's a lot more wisdom collectively right now after Black Lives Matter uh after the last five and 10 years that we've gone through that movements are not singular um that's more than having a meme and an organization um that there is an energy to a movement that is beyond description or measurement and I I I think we might be close to that tipping point I think that movement is happening we're just used to seeing things like categorized and packaged um um and I I'm reaching the point where I I don't even perhaps want that to happen that perhaps this is so organic and maybe even consciousness led that um it's going to happen and then all of a sudden we're going to realize it's happening we're going to look back one day and realize that for the last two years we've been living in some shifted reality that's hopefully better the one of the things that they repeated I think is a is a as a myth is no one saw the collapse of the Soviet Union coming perhaps um none of the media saw that but I know people who are involved in the citizen diplomacy movement back in the 80s with Russia and they certainly saw it and a number of uh analysts working inside the intelligence community saw it so I think we'd to be really careful about the stories that we spread of you know what we actually know about what we don't um and I I think that we're um based on like the video I sent this morning about the tomorrow the yes magazine the 25 tipping point um the Yale's climate studies show that 29 percent of the population is alarmed about climate change right and another 20 some odd percent are very concerned so we've already got over 50 or close to 50 percent of the population really really ready to do something about climate change so that to me seems like it's inevitable and then there's the question I came over who said this um you know how does change happen very slowly at first and then all at once and there's been a lot of slow incremental change going on um I think of Otto Scharmer probably almost 10 years ago I saw him at a heartland gathering and he was saying you know I'm working inside a fortune 10 corporation you know it's a major financial services organization and I had taught them to meditate and one day I showed up and I just dove right into the work said wait wait Otto we didn't meditate wait we have to center ourselves before we begin this meeting he said this is unbelievable to me in the 90s that would have never ever happened and I was just in working for a large company last week in New York 15 billion dollar company leading you know working with some senior leadership there and I taught them this tying breath to listening that I've taken Otto's levels of listening and combined it with some practices on breathing and people are like oh this is so cool I want you know when we came back from lunch like can we breathe can we breathe so there's a hunger there's a there's a desire for more humanizing uh ways of being together and I think we uh yeah Hemingway um thanks Jerry I can always count on Jerry or anybody in this group just you know Pete yeah Jerry and Peter the two biggest ones so there there is there's a huge shift in the ground that I think a lot of have not a lot of people have not recognized that until something really brings up their attention they they're not paying attention and um I think we're probably a lot closer to some major shifts than we think and at the same time I have the schizophrenia going oh my god things are also way worse and then we think they are all right and which one of those being in the bardo where do you direct your attention to you Tom Atley famously said things are getting better and better and worse and worse faster and faster so where do you put your energy if you're on better and better you sound like Pollyanna if you're on worse and worse you sound like chicken little and if you're on faster and faster you sound like a maniac so where in that Venn diagram is the the place to stand that allows you to be in the still point amidst all this swirl and take effective action um go ahead Wendy um yeah so I just wanted to reply to Todd was saying and then Ken too I really liked what you were saying Todd about you know stuff that's emerging stuff that's coming from more of a of a other place or a spiritual place or a and I and I think that is what ends up creating the fast changes right the stuff that ends up being super organized takes time right and and allowing things to be chaotic allowing things to be a little more authentic but we're all around the edges um I think is a recipe right now that is working and that we need more of um and so that's interesting right the signal for hey this is working isn't that it becomes organized that it becomes codified in some way I think it's more that we're feeling the vibe of the growing energy and that is the validation so and then to your point Ken which I thought was a fabulous question about where do we put our time and energy do we put our time and energy and raising the alarm do we put our time and energy into figuring out what's working well and from the research that I know about that you and I've talked about before I think might apply here where it's less about each individual person and more about the community as a community and to find community however you want as big or small as you want there need to be people raising the alarm and there need to be people focused on what's working and I would say I would love a tipping point to be towards the what working what's working well because in general when we focus too much on what's not working well it we just get depressed right so there needs and and there's no hope there there's just a spare and while we need to be aware of it we need to have right and we can't be it to me it's when you get only what's working well and visionary that you start going Pollyanna right and really that's not human so we've we've told each other and the story of our culture that when people sound all like oh it's going to be wonderful in the future and there really is a place where this will all work out that we're like oh you're not science you don't know what you're talking about because there's nothing grounded about that right the grounded is the destruction and and the facts about the horribleness of stuff but the truth is that's the stuff that there's plenty of stuff that is working it's super grounded and most of those people will tell you oh no the reason why this is working is because I'm paying attention to the problem not in despite of in spite of the problem right so to me it's it's I think that same concept applies not only to us as individuals but in this in this sense as communities that we need to keep that balance and I think right now it's out of balance and it's part of the reason why people aren't motivated to do something because they didn't they never hear the oh my god there's so many people doing regenerative agriculture that is working very it was like I just hearing that in the call in the video today thank you please I just need more of that as a starting point have you seen biggest little farm fantastic documentary I mean I I was blown away by how uplifted I was after watching that movie I didn't expect it I came away going oh this is so awesome I mean these people took over a plot of land that was basically dust it was no nutrients in the soil and the clear they had a lot of money because it didn't come cheap but within seven years they they brought that thing back to life in a huge way and I think it's probably very much like the farm that Jerry was describing where it would absorb water and you know it's all kinds of resilience and not without a lot of problems which are right there you know shown in the movie but at the end I was cheering I was like we need more of this this should be every week if we could have a dose of this every week this would lift people up so and then and then imagine there was a how-to guide right that from these farmers that said not just the inspiring story that's awesome but then if I'm a farmer that wants to make this change literally how do I go about it what are the pitfalls what do I need to think about oh that'd be amazing I think there is actually I think there's a companion guide to the biggest little farm of how to do this on your own but apricot land farms so that was Jerry that's what my brain tells me yeah um anyway get hold of this this movie if you're anytime you're feeling down watch this movie you'll you'll be like oh my god this is what's possible you know you will you will cry you will laugh you will cheer and you will just throw it in love every minute yes and you'll think very different more interested in making sure this stuff gets to the people who have no hope right I have plenty of sources that I go to for that kind of thing and I will watch it and I will enjoy it but I think like Stacy's made a comment too like how do we you know how do we get so if I had a huge point of feedback for for the week it would be I think of repository of some variety even again even if it's a little chaotic even if it's a little whatever would be would be lovely both on the side of the alarm here's where the science what the science is telling us for people who want to really dig into it um and then also on the side of hear all the great things that are happening I even it was just a list of what they have already mentioned right anything they could point to other collections they don't have to build their own collection but they could point to a series of collections right because if you want climate data go talk to Mark Trexler who has been collecting it assiduously for a very long time and organizing it and he's got a very good start right and then if you want a list of non-profit doing interesting work Vincent's busy building a thing but there's a bunch of others that also have listings like that then then we need more people with points of view about hey if you like this and feel like this and go then try this and this right I think I think we need a lot more people who are guiding everyone through the thicket um one thing I wanted to just add the conversation was the yogic concept of Drishti which is in April's book about flux which is about how to how to have a mindset that lets you deal with constant change and when you're doing like a one-legged pose in yoga I need to balance a lot you pick a spot someplace and that becomes your spot of focus and that's your Drishti and it helps you balance because that spot is in it's sort of immobile relative to where you are standing and you know you can you can be in motion you can be in lots of different places but finding a Drishti of some sort is like finding an anchor in stormy seas or or something it gives you a mooring or it gives you a reference or whatever whatever works for you but it's a nice way to think about what is our sort of Drishti as social things change as environments change as events unfold by the little plug for April she's going to be on a Barrett Kohler webinar Wednesday 10 a.m. Pacific time I will send the link out you're not aware of that Jerry or nice so I I forgot 10 is April's publicist now just a fan just a fan and yeah I'll send that out to the OGM list for people to sign up if they want I want to thank you it's a great idea I want to try and experiment let's take a moment in silence and think about all the things that you liked about the week and type them into the chat and just don't hit return just just you know type a bunch of them in there and then we'll we'll do that little cascade where we'll do it at once they'll do the I wish thing and then the I wonder and just see what we can collect for for feedback that we can pass on to them so that's not like a reasonable thing to do you guys wanted to play along with me okay yeah so we're doing them wanted so it was first we'll start with I like and I'll say go it when I'll let me know when you're ready just give a thumbs up or something so I'll just type what I liked okay or I liked so don't hit return until don't hit return until I say I've got a few I could probably think of more people need more time are you ready to hit return okay hit return okay oh cool okay people ready get ready ready need more time Stacy you're right good okay hit return cool I love reading you last one I want to start on the next question what was the last one I wonder I wonder if you just evoked Dionne in the Belmonts I wonder why why why who wrote the book of life one two more time are you ready one more second or though you can do it take your time take your time we're not gonna hurry let's do it jump the gun and hit enter I did all right should we go for it go for it sure it's a pretty damn good collection I will put the idea Mr. Homer yeah good idea I will paste this chat into the thought when I post it etc and then I'll send it to everybody separately as an attachment I I would like to go back to something Stacy said that I think it is really brilliant and important and it's that phrase what if this is working because if the filmmakers were to come in trying to convince us that it is working that would create a reactive state a lot of people would doubt it but the taking the position that this may be working or imaginative what if this is working we're so used to catalyzing action through fear but in a state of fear we cannot be creative and so we need creativity and so we and and that's part of the reason I think of the they're taking the you is they start off with the stuff that could provoke fear and then moving into hope where you can be creative but I would love to see across the board more acknowledgments that there is a lot more amazing things happening than we're probably aware of those are not the stories that circulate love that Todd yeah go ahead sir just quickly you know Todd you hit on something so important that I realized you know we we we in this collective talked about heavy things with a lightness and an intelligence and that just enable you know some clear thinking to to bubble up and and that could be an important piece of of of modeling or suggestion as this expands you know how to a little bit of a how to engage in these conversations or maybe not maybe you know people do it the way they do it I just yeah go ahead Jerry um there's a lot of good stuff there Todd that you want to jump back in on that no no I was just typing okay an additional thought in the chat so one of my amateur observations about history is that the winners were always always losing until they won by hair's breadth and then even when it looks like they won they always think they're about to lose power or the the win it's like it's like we look back and we see the winners of history but but they just barely won often really seldom is there a complete wipeout and there are wipeouts but that just doesn't happen that often and winners are always completely paranoid about losing you know their their ability to to hold on to power or whatever else it is and and winning has different meanings depending on what your attitudes are towards power force etc but you know if a couple things had gone a little differently there's a whole genre called alternative history which is you know what if the Nazis had won World War two leads to a whole whole storm of fiction that you can sort of go go live in there's a book called the the years of rice and salt by Kim Stanley Robinson where the the basically the opening proposition which you discover after a chapter in is that what if the bubonic plague instead of having like a 20 fatality rate I don't remember exactly what it was but if it had like a hundred percent fatality rate and what if Europe and Christianity and all of its associated things had just been wiped out and so at the beginning of that world at the beginning of the years of rice and salt there's some Mongolian scouts who come through a forest into western Europe where they hear that there were you know some bad terrible things happened and they discover like an abandoned wasteland so that the alternative future there is like well then you have Islam and you have Asia and like like oh Native American tribes are still kind of around colonial era didn't happen oh oh interesting stuff this is this is just a great example of of our brainwashing when you started that that that threat Jerry immediately my mind went to the Super Bowl you know people are losing until all of a sudden they're winning just to go back to what if questions from a minute when I when I joined the world cafe in 1997 we had on our website a series of what if questions what if the future is born in webs of conversation you know and what if conversation actually is the way that work gets done and you know instead of making declarative statements taking a declarative statement and inverting it into a what if question allows for an invitation to explore as opposed to something to push back against and I think this is really important I'm noticing a theme in in my reading and research of late where it's it's really about surrendering your ego and need to be right in the service of how can how can we support the whole in arriving at a better decision how can we support good decision-making processes and when as soon as ego enters into it it really tends to derail it and I think ego and identity you're really tied together which is why as soon as you bring in democrat republican liberal conservative blah blah blah quite to intelligence tanks and as as long as you can stay in we're together and we need to figure out how to be together in the future so that our children and grandchildren the next generations are successful then people want to you know contribute to that conversation and it's it's just so important to to figure out how what's required in terms of development and emotional maturity for me to show up in a group and not feel the need to dominate and not feel that I have to be the person with the right perspective and you know I know in my own life it it just took getting hit in the head a few million times with baseball bats to recognize that I'll never be the smartest guy in the room you know and there's always somebody smarter to me there's always somebody with a better stronger opinion and and if I can back down from that and just go great what's useful here you know the coaching school I went to is founded on three philosophical principles the first principle our first school philosophy is is summed up in the question of what's going on here which is phenomenology the second question is how do we know hermetic and the third question is therefore what's useful which is pragmatism so what's going on how do we know and therefore what's useful become really potent questions to ask to say okay you know what's we we collectively agree that what's going on is the seas are rising because my dock is underwater you know and the climate is changing because we're having all these droughts and floods and and things and what's useful therefore is to recognize we need to back down the the the warming trends we need to you know suck carbon in the atmosphere and and so let's get to work on that yeah one one thing that I just wanted to mention quickly that word hope comes up periodically and just one thing that I've learned is hope requires action we're hope with that hope with that action is just silly in in in some sense Stacey you were about to say something yeah going back to what Ken was saying um so today I posted a video that analyst Smith Smithson and Jean Euston they just started a podcast Future Humans and I put it in one of the emerging meta emails as well but um so they're interviewing Mariana Boseman and at the end they asked her so with these people you know what kind of people what kind of architects do we need to get together to build you know this new reality that we're hoping for and her answer was we need not narcissists like that that was the whole answer and we need to recognize that we're all narcissists you know and that was the other part of what she said exactly exactly I once heard Hamid Ali speak and believe me it was one of the most boring things I'd ever heard this is the guy who founded the diamond heart is also on his age almas and he speaks in a monotone with an accent and very dense but he did ask a really interesting question he said all right I want you all to go outside on the lawn and cluster in groups of four or five and you're going to answer one question and you're going to spend 20 minutes answering this question and the question is where do you shop for your narcissistic supplies and I just loved that question right here is one place that I shop for my narcissistic supplies I get accolades and acknowledgement and validation you know for my brilliance and you know it's it's a way for me to indulge my narcissism and at the same time it's a way for me to indulge my humility because there are people in this group and and the larger Georgia community who always come up with things that make me think wow and thought of that thank you that's really you know that's so good thank you thank you so it's both the narcissism and the humility that go hand in hand and I'm trying to up level the humility and down level the narcissism and it's not easy what she actually said is or at least people that can recognize and moderate their own narcissism because we all have it. Narcissists are us right well we have about five minutes left um any closing thoughts that you'd like to share. Lalu it all seemed to be serious about hey send us your videos oh oh oh everybody needs to smile we need to take a screen cap because they want that as well so already to smile hold on I'm going to hold the ready are you smiling really ready here goes nice um good so I'll I'll include that when I send it back to you guys um are you all okay if I if we send them all three videos so if they decide they want to go deep with us they can they can look I'd be happy to send that along yeah yeah I'm not embarrassed by anything I just said I think probably this last one is the best you know in terms of real feedback for them but yeah yeah I I would also be happy to offer up like if they're I don't know what they're thinking of in terms of their next phase but if like the tapestry trove weaving community project is something that they think their community could benefit from then it'd be something I think that Vince and I speak for him for just a second I'm sure he'd be okay with that would be happy to have a conversation around um since it looks like what's coming our way is quite a few different communities that are looking to provide a platform where everything's curated viewed and then shared and right so a lot of those components if that's what they're looking for no need to create it anew is my first point and secondly if they found some value in talking to us then and we'd be open to a conversation for sure cool thank you thank you Wendy for making my dream come true what dream is this the dream that something might be catalyzed out of this that it might lead to some further connection yeah I mean that for for us I mean this is what I'm working on anyway so it's really just does it align does it not align is the timing right is it you know and no hard feelings if it's they come and they talk to us and it inspires a bunch of stuff and they think there's a better platform like it doesn't matter right the point is to have the conversations and to learn from each other about what's possible and then decide for ourselves where to go next so you know we're two people we're not an army and we don't have you know a bunch of people at our disposal so it's it's also about things taking their time as well so speed or timelines can can change things as you know change decisions as well yeah and the point is since we don't have the technology yet this is how it gets done one person at a time person at a time yeah yeah so yeah I mean and we're Vincent's I would really give him a lot of the credit where he's really going with it so quickly for a lot of a lot of organizations is really going to be a great opportunity for that knowledge repository in a way that people can really benefit from it it's not quite there yet my experience I'm using it but it's close and his thinking is so aligned the background on what he's doing is so aligned with where everything is going that when he gets the front end up to speed with that it's you know I see a lot of potential for it to serve a lot of communities in a lot of ways it's really going to be great very cool need to learn more about this I'll reach out to you Wendy yeah sure I'd love to connect with you Todd and hear more about what you're doing too yeah this has been Ken thank you for gathering us facilitating this putting it together Jerry thank you for you know everything in the chat and and and sharing the brain yeah I have a poem if anyone wants to listen today's poem okay can you hold on for that minute Stuart let's close with that I just want to get other people's closing thoughts before we oh and then and the last thing was no never mind forget it forget that thought any other reflections where we close out I have a question do we want to take any next steps like this was so much fun let's find something once a month to watch and then debrief or just let this dissolve into figure out what else comes after it when it arises um Stacy just put the other video into the DM conversation in a similar format roughly it's like hey everybody watch this let's have a pop-up call around it which we could do um yeah I don't know I'm torn because even I can't listen any faster than 1.25 x so there's an hour and then there's our conversation and then there's debrief every one of these things eats like two and a half hours or something like that and that's hard because I get it yeah go ahead Todd I sense something is going to be born and it may not be born in this minute well I want to thank each of you for playing along with me I really appreciate the uh I know it's it's a lot I mean I asked you to commit to um four and a half and three seven and a half almost a full day eight hours basically you know that's in the morning this morning I thought it was going to be nine hours because I know I did too it was two hours I'm like wait I was not planning on this and and see every time I send an email out to the group you come back bounced it won't you think I'm spamming you so you never see me steward say no it's actually only one hour it's mislabeled but canopy gap's not happy with us yeah yeah so we're we're working on that it's ellie it's fault it's a hover issue oh interesting okay I'm glad we have somebody to blame um so I just want to thank you all it's been great fun and I've really enjoyed you know uh deepening the worship with each of you and I look forward to more and you know come hang out with steward and me on society 2045 um because you know we got I've got some very interesting people coming up to be interviewed including Todd and Wendy and Pete so and Jerry you're you're you know you have an open invitation drop the link in or tell us when I would love to show up okay great I did send it out to the ogm list but I know you can't always read everything on there so I will send you individual links steward you're closing poem please sir right so so as I read this poem and it's today's poem it's called compassion but it really is about um I think um the mindset that we need to bring to these conversations going forward especially in thinking about people who are pushing back resisting aren't on the bandwagon deep inside under presence fundamental human essence beneath surface beyond reason emergent response to treason rage a memory primordial fear terror of birth injustice here rises up if crossed or burned violations pleading spurned reactivity rips things apart contrast a compassionate heart forgo devilish blood revenge or risk suffering sprightful edge use intensity grow a stronger heart accelerate the human art reservoir of this powerful force energy from a profound source trespass poisons a compassionate soul violate them makes you less whole beckon caring love sweetness more your soul births what you came for see betrayers needing your love needing warmth not a show respond in compassion not vitriol hate take it through an evolutionary gate yeah it's one of 365 stacy they're up on a website called pilgrims path dot life pilgrims path dot life well pete was looking for original poems for the play so now i know where to go next week absolutely thank you for listening awesome thank you for contributing thank you everybody it's great to see you have a wonderful rest of your weekend i really appreciate the time we spent together here same here see you see you thanks all bye bye