 I want to welcome you guys to the State of Nebraska Webmasters. This is our annual meeting because it's the first time we've met in 2012. And today we're going to talk about the Web Domain Name Standard, which we just recently heard about, and now is the 30-day comment period. So we have a chance to express our ideas. We give them to the technical panel of the NITC to see if they are willing to make any changes. We can give enough body to what we want changed. So we have a couple guest speakers today. So I'm just going to give them, oh I'm sorry, Rick Becker and Dan Orr, right? And Gavin. And Gavin. So whichever one of you guys, and I don't even have to Well, we have up on the board, which I'm pretty sure Shannon can see out there. Not here. Anyway, can you scroll it down just a little bit? That's good right there. Okay, so at the moment this is in the 30-day comment period. And the comments up above it says the comments go to Rick. Correct. And would it be okay if I take some notes today and send it back out to the group? An individual member can submit comments if they want. If you as a Webmasters work group want to submit one joint comment or recommendation, that's fine as well. Okay, what my plan is is take some minutes today and kind of capitalize it into what we would like to see the technical panel consider. And then we'll watch the whole Webmasters meeting. And if you the Webmasters panelists, if you guys have any other suggestions or if I have a problem, you can certainly So, I kind of thought we would just kind of start at the top and we'll make our way down a little bit to see if we have comments as we go so it's not just hit and miss so I can take really good notes. So, if we start at standard 1.1, official aggressive government website is aggressive.gov. We're not arguing about that, correct? Good to go. Okay, the next one. I'm not going to read that because it's long. One of the things I like is the fact that it does say you can either do Nebraska.gov or you can do any.gov. Because here at the Library Commission we have both of those and both of those are registered. The name may also register to alternate domain. One comment. We have heard some feedback already, not formal, but just in conversations with folks that in the last sentence there where it begins resolving to the corresponding Nebraska.gov domain name may create problems for folks, in other words that would require an any.gov website to resolve to the full Nebraska.gov. I think that's certainly something worth discussing. I don't know that Nebraska.gov and any.gov both I think would be an argument that either of those should be fine without that resolving. So that's certainly something during the comment period you may want to consider recommending. I like because we have some that do like here at the Commission we do any.gov and we do Nebraska.gov. So some of both, but I hadn't thought about that. So we could put in my minutes I can say we would like you to take away the resolving and then just make it and the domain any.gov may be registered as an alternate domain to the corresponding. So we're just taking out the word resolve. Right. Anybody else have anything for that 1.2? Yes. Can we clarify what a clear level domain is? Good point. My understanding of domain naming. I should let the technical guys into this one. Nebraska.gov is the first level. The Nebraska or any is the second level. And then what precedes that is the third level domain. So revenue that Nebraska.gov revenues the third level domain and correct. Okay. So I'm going to clarify here at the Commission. The our website is nlc.nebraska.gov which is at third level domain. Correct. Because you said that any.gov is a second level. The.gov is the first level. And then either any or Nebraska is the second level. And then third level would be the agencies for application specific domain. Okay. So as it says, should be registered at least at third level domain in Nebraska.gov. So I'm sorry. You're going to have to give me just a touch more explanation. So the thing is, is as long as I get the commission we have and I'll see that Nebraska.gov registered. That's good to go. And that is our main website. Yep. So we're fine. Did that clarify her? Yes. Is that good enough? Yes. Okay. We're going to go back down to 1.3. All registered Nebraska.gov and any.gov domain shall adhere to all federal regulations, requirements and guidelines which I didn't look for. And we don't have a link to go to the specific guidelines. Is there something? There is a link to the, if you scroll down under reference. And then they have a policy section. And a lot of that is requirements that we as the Office of the CIO as registers of those domains have to follow. Some of them would be applied to you. For example, there's no advertising on.gov domain. So you can't have Best Western advertisements. Which travel and tourism, I believe, is a website that does use some advertising. So there's a legitimate reason for them not to be on a.gov domain. But we take those types of things into consideration. And what is the domain for the tourism that has the advertising on it? You said it's. It's visit Nebraska.gov right now. Okay. Okay. And that's Shannon who's on one. Shannon Peterson, that's, she represents tourism question. Got it. Okay. And Shannon knows how to talk to us if she wants to input anything. Okay. So is there anyone that has anything to say about that? 1.3. Is, this is just me. It's my comment. Do we need to say requirements and guidelines as indicated in 3.1 below? Or do we need to say, as you can see, I missed that. Did everybody else catch where the link was to the federal guidelines? So we don't need to say in reference to 3.1 below. Okay. Okay. And no changes to 1.3. Okay. 1.4. The main, other than Nebraska, I got a name that may be purchased but cannot serve content that we probably promoted. I'm sure this is probably the one we're going to chat about. So, and tourism is one of them that we need to bring up now. Okay. Let's go down to 1.5, which is just a second. Non-conforming domains in existence will be at the standard. That will be exempt until December 31st, 2014. Is there any reference to that date as in it's just in the future? It's in the future. Okay. Okay. Which is two years away. It also corresponds to gubernatorial change of office about that time. And one of the things is agencies have printed materials or letterhead or things like that that they would want to consume over the course of time. That's also a period where they'd be changing letterhead and stuff like that for a new governorship, too. So that isn't why that date was selected, but it happens to fall about that. So supposedly at the end of December 31st, 2014, tourism will have to change their URL. Well, before we go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. The NITC Standards of Guidelines Documents, there is a waiver policy in place that an agency, if for business reasons or technical reasons, you can't comply with any of the standards that the NITC has published, you can apply for a waiver and have the requirement waived by the technical panel of the NITC. So if there's a legitimate business necessity and tourism is a good example, they have advertising on their website.gov requirements don't allow advertising. So they can't be .gov and continue to do that business the way they're doing it. That would be a... I can't speak for the technical panel, but I would think they would do that favorably in terms of issuing a waiver. Okay. And there's nobody from Game and Parks. So, because the Game and Parks one is an outside, isn't it, .org? There's goes to... It just forwards to it. It really doesn't have any content. They publish Outdoor Nebraska.org, I believe it is. Okay. And if you go to that, it rolls over to Nebraska.gov. So, that would be okay with 1.4, no matter when. So as long as you're forwarding, then you don't have to have a waiver. Am I understanding that correctly? The publicly promoted there, that would change. It's come December 31st, 2013, unless they saw it in Outdoor. So, for example, we promote Nebraskacenterjapan.com, because this is our Japan office, Nebraska office in Japan, the Economic Development Office. Not sure what a .gov would look like after they've seen a .com and switching it. So, that is one concern that we would have, and I don't know if that would fall under anything for a waiver, but, I mean, that's just one thing that we would look at for considering that and all the costs that have been involved in developing that. And promoting it. And promoting that control. We promote a lot of sites, and that's one of them. And we're also opening, currently, Nebraskacenter China. So, I think like that. And generally, Economic Development has a large number of .coms and other .org and several others. And quite a bit of advertising that goes on, but a lot of long-term advertising. So, I think the waiver process is really the only answer we needed to sort of submit that stuff, in case by case. Our audience. Now, we have to chuck a little louder because I'm older. Sure. Yeah. In our audience, like tourism, isn't just Nebraska-based. We're talking businesses and people nationally and internationally. So, it's not just a Nebraska-focused site. I mean, almost everything we promote. I mean, there's some things that go to Nebraska communities and things like that. But almost everything else that we promote goes to businesses outside of the state and the country. So. And one of the big problems that we have is that we also have sites that are a private public partnership. So, we have businesses that partner with us to make a site for promotions or for the ongoing programs that we have. That's just something we're going to have to look at each case up, I guess. Are you telling me you're on the technical panel? I'm not on the technical panel. I'll be happy to be, but probably don't want to. How do we apply for a waiver? Yeah, very well. It's 1-103 in the NITC website standards and bad numbers. The same place where this document is. If you click on standards home. Standards and bad numbers. Yeah. 1-103 is the waiver policy. It tells you how you submit the waiver request, what information they need from you. The technical panel reviews those. They meet monthly, well, almost monthly. And they'll take it up. As soon as you submit it, they'll take it up at their next meeting. So it's not a drug out process. I think you provided that link in that email string last week. And when you would be notified of when your waiver is up so you can talk to the technical panel and bring all your gang and... More than ever. Okay. And we want to submit that prior to... I mean, we don't want to submit that as soon as possible so we can make sure we're approved or not. Yeah, you don't have to wait until the end of that because it's adopted if you want to start putting together your request to certainly process it. After adopted, then they can speak and start submitting the waiver. And just to be clear, it is something that they review. They take very seriously on standards guidelines, but if there's a legitimate business reason or technical reason, they're generally favorable to those types of requests. But it just can't be because we want it or we want it. That's the way we've always planned it. There's probably some other agencies that may not be here today that would have some legitimate reason to have an outside address. The historical society has an outside address. Don't they? Okay, so they would be... They would be the waiver. We talked about tourism. We talked about outdoor Nebraska. Is there anybody else here that specifically has some outdoor... Outdoor. Some outside addresses that are not Nebraska.gov or any.gov? Yeah, agriculture. We have two of them. We have a dot com and we have a dot org. And they're more for a promotion part of our department. And I'm sure we'll probably apply for waivers on both of those. I know the one was Gisborne Nude back in April for three years. And I think the other one we might have one or two years left on the renewal of that name. And that's either like GoDaddy or... Domain registries that you have in registry. Yeah, Nebraska.gov did one of those for us and Snitley Carr did the other one. I had a question related to complying... Sorry, I'm talking loud for the recording. As we go into the process of coming over to dot.gov, what does that process look like of competing for the name that we would get as a third level? As in, you know, a lot of people might want local dot Nebraska.gov or whatever it might be, advantage dot Nebraska.gov. Who is it that does that? It's never come up. Okay. Nobody's ever asked for the same name that another person has asked for. If you're having questions about that, you can call me and say, is this name available? If it is, can you reserve it for me? We have to do that. And again, I'm really surprised because we heard the commission is NLC and some people think, does that mean Nebraska liquor commission? Right. No. And then just the other day, somebody else came up with a different NLC abbreviation that I'd never heard of. There's a lot of them that are really close, but nobody's ever actually asked for the same name. Which is great. Is there any reason you would need to put into here where you ask or you just email the helpdesk at LCCIO? That's the best way, because that way it won't get... While you're asking for a considering domain name, there's one thing you might want to keep in account. Like, carbon health and human services has a lot of theirs as a fifth level domain, like server.dhhs.nabrasch. If you put them in, they have a DHHS subdomain. It's part of the subdomain of Nebraska. If you put all your names in the subdomain, we can allocate that subdomain to your organization. You can maintain it yourself. You can do ad changes and deletes. But if it's in the main Nebraska.gov section, then we can't delegate that to you, because you'd be able to change all the other names for everybody else. Does that make sense? And is that something that you would... So we're seeing a fourth level domain. Something that precedes your agency acronym, agency name, whatever it is. And if you've only got five or ten entries, it's not a big deal. But if you're a larger agency and you have a staff of people with some larger agencies, we have five people that have access to the DNS system in their organization. They do all their own changes, ads, changes, deletes. They don't have to wait for us. They can do whatever they want. So... In the Health and Human Services, and I always get it wrong, because here at the commission, we have Nebraska access.ne.gov. For the Health and Human Service, they have access Nebraska. And is it.ne.gov? Okay, so... Some of them are in the main area just for naming convenience or... But some of them, some of them have several of those, are in their own sub-domain and they just manage all that. The state patrol does all theirs and corrections does all theirs. So if we get a waiver, the waiver is... There's no date on the waiver. Is that correct? That's either grant the waiver. They can reject it or they can make it conditional. A lot of times they do put a condition on it. They'll put an end date to the waiver. And then you can either reapply for the waiver or be reconsidered. They haven't done that on the summer course. More questions, more discussion, more... okay. Because there really isn't anything... Can you spread on this a little bit, please? Yeah, I've got a question. Okay, so back on 1.2, are you gonna post something out there as an alternative revision to that last sentence? No, I don't. At this point it's open for comments. Anybody can put comments on that. I'm just saying that that's a question or a change that I'm gonna suggest or discuss internally and then probably suggest that you go to the tech panel so the government council can vote. But... And then they look it over and then they'll read... Do we go to another period? At the end of the comment period, again, they can either recommend approval as directed regardless of what comments they receive. They can make changes to the document usually based on the comments or their own initiative. At that point, if they determined that it was a substantial change to the document, they'll repost it for 30 days. If they believe it's consistently responding to requests and wouldn't impact negatively others, then they'll go ahead and just recommend approval for that change. In other words, this resolve, I don't know that there would be anybody who would be against that change. So they may make that change and just recommend approval of the document. Are you just going to take our e-mail straighter back before or do you want me to have a claim or something on the comment? I can talk to you, Dr. So in taking up... So at this point in time, what we have talked about is only taking out the word resolving. Did I miss? And how does that make life easier? If we're resolving in the way it's written now, if you had an any.gov domain you could promote it, publish it, whatever. But when somebody typed that into the... typed that URL in, it would be forced... Under the standard, it would have to go to the Nebraska.gov domain. It could be automatically in the background, that word resolving says it would have to go to the corresponding Nebraska.gov. To take resolving out, you can promote either or they just want to be... that any.gov would be the ultimate. And if you take up resolving, too, does that mean that all of my web links on every page of my site won't break? Because then we just went to ASP not a couple of years ago, and our web stats went down by, like, three hundred and four thousand for two years before it recovered. I'd love these guys to respond to the technical, but my understanding is that the auto forward you do at the server level and it wouldn't break the links. But correct me if I'm wrong. Whether your links are absolute or relative. So you wouldn't have relative links, of course, so you could get maybe more freely. But it breaks all our SSL applications with the any.gov... And that's part of the consideration, that's why it's a major version. Not just, you know, the core for anybody with SSL-enabled application that's major if you're under the any.gov namespace. Right. So the one side for most of you people is you've got a website where you do content. But if you have application in that application systems already under .any.gov, and we have several of those, your impact becomes somewhat more major than just a standard website. So I know you folks are talking about exceptions for the first level, but if any of you have bought systems, web-based systems and got them under that domain or custom developed those systems you've got another major impact. We recognize that. And that's why we put the any.gov in here. The way this was envisioned is it's a mess and it's getting worse. Is a mess of the first level or the is a concern more at that first level, the .gov versus all the other .coms and .ords, not really whether it's in a debate between any and Braskin at the second level. That, there's several parts to it. The .gov people are less likely apt to mess with an outside than they are with the .com or .org. There's more serious consequences. So that's a built-in level of security. It's not much, but it's something. There's several factors driving this. One of the factors is where IPv6 is approaching us and IP addresses are going to go away and DNS is going to become one important thing it was with IPv4. Everything is going to be DNS, including SSL is probably going to go away in favor of a deep QM sort of system. That will be based on DNS. I'm drawing a blank here, but he's got the reason. No, I think the .gov is the primary change. That's why taking the word resolving out of that solves the problem we would have. I think any .gov is legitimate. In the near future the .gov they want all government organizations under that namespace because they're scanning everything for terrorists, hacking and all that stuff going on. They own that namespace and again within a couple years it's very possible the internet will not be the internet as we know it today it's going to be it's going to be national. They're going to start to break that up and the .gov namespace, the fed zone and they can scan everything going through that namespace. Did not address that in this document. The way this was envisioned is we're not going to fix this overnight. But going forward let's use the brasska.gov and then through the process of attrition we'll get rid of the rest of it but it's going to take a long time. So after 2014 then the ne.gov will it still work if somebody types in ncbdi.ne.gov? Oh yeah, I mean if you have a registry Yes, if we take the resolve. Correct Correct I'm not saying it's going to happen but it sounds pretty I'm going to switch to a different topic now same kind of thing but when we first started our state page it was www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. Is that still going to forward to nlc.nlc.gov? Does that not mention up here at all? Is that after no? www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. www.state.nlc. It is in a way because the U.S. is not Nebraska.gov, so I think she's talking about forwards. Because we have, I mean, we are a library commission, and we have URLs all over catalogs across the United States that say... Well, if you start using Nebraska.gov now, in 10 years they won't say that anymore. No, they won't, because these are Nebraska documents that go back to when we started doing Nebraska.gov. So we won't change those URLs in our catalogs. So you guys are not addressing that. And the other thing is, so if anybody typed in state.ne.us, they wouldn't get to the state page either. www.state.ne.us is what the state page originally was, right? Frankly, I had not. It does redirect to the rest of the country. It does now, but will I fill it in the future? Again, this is going to happen in two years. It's not going to happen in two years. Well, I understand. I'm just saying... We're just trying to get people going in the right, everybody kind of going in the same direction here. Yes, the ownership of state.ne.us, do you guys maintain that as well? Yeah. So if somebody tomorrow wanted to know what he's going to, but if somebody tomorrow wanted to add, you guys have control over that difference. I've got about two of those. Right, so we can keep that alive as a legacy for as long as it takes. I don't control it. So that's not a problem. Stop using it. Well, we have stopped using it, and we move to, and they'll see that in Nebraska.gov for all of our new stuff. But there are things that are in the catalog that are going to be there forever, because they're going to use it to change an 1842 entry. Until the feds mandate that all government organizations in the United States have to be under the Dock-gov name thing, and nationalize. Well, and when the feds say that, I don't have as much... I can't argue as much as I can here at the state level. There are less than. Going forward, let's just don't use state by name. Well, then I understand that. It's not going away. So I guess my question would be, is that something that could be added to this? Sure, it should probably be. Yeah, it could. State by name.usdgolegacy, that's the... And that's all I'm asking is the justice, okay? Yeah, that's certainly a comment on the website. Oh, I like that one. I was hoping it would just go away. I'm sorry, but my boss specifically said to ask about this, even though he's not here. It's all to my library catalogs. Okay, I'm done with my questions. Anybody else? Yes? In reviewing that, NITC charter, I'm seeing guidelines, but I'm not seeing force, and I'm not seeing penalty. The enforcement of NITC standards and guidelines is there's basically two elements. One, IT purchases in state government have to come through the office of the CIO. One of the reviews, our team, the reviews purchase request is do they comply with standards? The second is the state budget process. The budget office is well aware of the standards and guidelines that we propose. And when they review projects, budget requests, that's one of the issues that they raise as well. But we don't have any handcuffs. So that covers all of the guidelines, correct? All the standards and guidelines. Whether that's the one that says you need to have state request at the top, and you need to have a link back to the state within to the bottom. And a lot of times it's just communication and awareness. You know, does the board or NITC may not even know that. Yes, and so it's just that by the way you read that on your website, you need to put it on your website, that's what it usually works. So my question would be, when this becomes, the only reason I knew about this to begin with, I guess every agency has a person that is, I wouldn't want to say on the state government council, invited to the state government council. Anyone from the state government? So that they officially get information about it ahead of time. So there's one person from every state agency. There's 24 members. There's probably eight, we're on 18 agencies that are represented. Okay, so not every state agency has a member. Yes, the emails that talk about what the, what the government council is going to be doing, proposing that kind of thing. Fortunately, at the library commission, we have someone who is, we have two people that are on it, that get the emails. So we kind of know about things ahead of time. But the agencies don't know about things ahead of time. And they aren't there to go plead their case or stick their wavering or whatever. And two years down there all of a sudden they're, and I know they're you know, I would not just go away out of, you know. I'm sure they'll be some, outreach to agencies that are not in compliance that their main webpage results to a dot org or something like that. Okay. So I'm sure that'll, now we don't know about, I don't know about the, you know, if you have an agency, DVD comes to mind, has multiple polls, dot coms out there, dot business, that I wouldn't know about. They'd have to bring them forward for a wavering overall statement. And this discussion has been taken to the non-co-agency meeting. No, of course. Will it go? I don't, I don't participate in non-co-agency meetings. Anybody who's on that group, I'm sure, bring it up. You guys have, anybody, okay. Okay, now this may be inappropriate question. Oh, that's not right. I mean, that's fine. It's okay. I'm just calling you any comment. Is it feasible? Okay. I would have to say that I know that every agency has someone either reading, attending, whatever. Listening, Shannon, for what goes on in the Webmaster's email list, okay. But is it possible to send notices of the... See, I'm trying to decide to say government counsel the technical, the technical found, because not everything they talk about has to do with web users. Absolutely. And it's just occasionally something comes up that does have to do with web users. So, never mind. Okay. How about an RSS feed? You guys do anything at that time? They have posted meeting notices for technical security, government counsel, and when he's talking... And that's just as they're coming out, right? Yeah. It's not a full-time thing. Yeah. It's just when the date's set for a meeting, or if a date at the meeting gets canceled, it's posted. I signed up for that one. I didn't know if there were any other... Yeah. Thank you. So, the RSS feed would be on your NITC homepage? On the homepage? Yeah. Okay. I'm trying to think. I said... The hard finds? I'm trying to... Well, I don't... I've placed this URL into just about any reader. Right. Find it on there. But she didn't have a little RSS feed. Yeah. So, the RSS feed would be on your NITC homepage? On the homepage? Yeah. Okay. I'm trying to think. I said... The hard finds? I have a little RSS feed. You don't have to. Okay. No, I mean, I... I know where it is linked if you go to the standards and guidelines. And then if you click on draft documents for comment at the top, that there's a link to it right there. But pasting an NITC at the RASC, I think you should find it in any reader. If they only have one... If there's only one thing... If there's only one... If there's only one... If there's only one choice... Okay. This could be a really short meeting. 35 minutes and we're ready to split. Unless you can think of something else. This is our one for the year. Let's make it count. Talk about other stuff. I have no other stuff. I will make up some minutes and send it out. And I'll also advertise this when this broadcast was completed, which I'm sure will be really quick for other people to listen to. If you take it home, listen to it with your family. I know. Okay. Thank you, guys, thank you. Thanks. Thanks.