 This is Nate Adams of Energy Smart Home Performance, and I want to show you what's underneath here. This old piece of, that's a balsam wood, it's called, it's actually kind of like cellulose, but note this board coming across the ceiling here. The fact that this insulation was not in contact with that basically makes it not work. So it's really important that insulation is touching what it's supposed to insulate. Imagine wearing a coat and having it be two or three inches off your body, so the air and wind could just blow up right underneath that and make it cold. That's basically what goes on here, which is why I tend to like either blown insulation or what this is going to get today is actually spray foam, because we got some crazy stuff going on up here. This is just a complicated thing that's just difficult to deal with, so we're pulling some roof off and going to foam it and move on with life.