 All right hello everyone and welcome back to another video today. I got another special guest with us. I know this is going to be a highly requested interview. I got Vivix in heart with us here today and he's going to be talking about his experiences as a mining engineer. So he's originally from India, did a masters at UBC here in Canada and he's going to share with us some of his work experience, his education experience and his experience moving at working here in Canada. So Vivix, maybe do you want to fill in the blanks and talk a little bit more about just the introduction about yourself? Sure, hello Kwan and a big hello to all the audiences. So the basic background if I talk about in snapshot, it would be I finished my bachelor's in mining engineering from back in India, graduated into 2011 and then worked in a green field project underground hard metal. So hard rock and soft rock are different. So worked hard rock for a year or so and then underground coal that is soft rock for a year or so and then plan to go in and do a masters so that I can specialize in something in mining. And as you would have seen from videos from Kwan, there's a lot to actually take in and there are many specialty roles which you want to grow into. So that was one of the reasons why I wanted to get into my masters. Once I finished my masters which also included working in oil sands as long-term tailings planning engineer for a bit. I got the opportunity to work as a blast specialist which was probably coming out of not just being a mining engineer but also getting into other roles. That brought me back to India and also got me a chance to move around different countries and take different kinds of blasts and stuff. And at some point of time when I realized I have a family and you need to have a work-life balance and you've moved around a lot, I thought probably Canada would be the best place to come back. Fortunately, my company for which I was working at that point of time which is Orica was largest explosive manufacturer. They gave me an opportunity to work with Webgen and that's like the first step towards automation of blasting. So it started with some trials and we are in the phase of expansion now. So that's where I stand. I currently live in Sudbury and probably just bought a house in Sudbury a month back. So thank you. So that's a long story short. That's the synopsis of what I have done for the last 10 years. Well we're very excited to have you today. I think this is going to be a great interview. We've got lots to go through. So we'll get started from the beginning, the experience in IIT. So you did a bachelor's in mining engineering or mining and mineral processing engineering. So for me, I'm not as familiar with the Indian education system. But as far as I know, IIT is one of the best technical universities in India. Can you talk a little bit about your experiences there? So for example, like, did you specialize in mining engineering right away or is it like in Canada where first year is you do generic engineering courses and then in second year you specialize? So sure. So yes, as you suggested, it's pretty difficult getting into the IITs in India. It was a really long journey to prepare for it and get into it. But about mining engineering, I'd say that I'm literally the third generation in mining from my family. So it was an obvious choice. At the same time, I all around my childhood, I lived in mining towns. So I was pretty used to actually living in a mining town. I'm not a Sydney or a Vancouver or a Toronto guy. So that's one of the things. The other thing when I got into mining engineering, the first year is usually very generalistic. You have general studies and stuff. Interestingly, the studies and the syllabus and everything in IITs are pretty much based on most of the technical colleges in North America and Europe. So it takes in a lot of the basic structures which you see in North America or even in Europe or Australia. So the first year was general studies. Then you start getting into the internships in the summers. One thing which is different from North America, I would say that we have an opportunity or a chance that you can go for a longer internship period in North America. Not the same case back in India. You have a fixed three to four months period every summer, which you can get into some kind of a training or internship, which for me was mostly operations. And second year onwards you start specializing or trying to take more and more mining courses. And yeah, that's how it ended. A lot of my friends from my bachelor's ended up getting into finance and MBA, which is a common thing with engineers. But my focus I think even then was to get into mining. I was not sure at that point of time as to what I would like to specialize in would also depend upon what kind of work-life balance you're expecting, what kind of country you want to settle in and what kind of mining job you would be interested in terms of the kind of mines like a hard metal mines or a core mines. You want to work in open paired or an underground mines. So that was followed up with getting into my first job, which you would have seen through previous videos. A lot of our audiences would have seen is very much dependent upon the set structure back in India where companies have a tie up with the college. They come down and they do the interviews and tests and whatnot and they select the candidates which they are interested in. So yeah, that's the snapshot for the bachelor's. Okay, so after or yeah, your post graduation job, what would you help you the most? Was it like the co-op experience or the internship experience that you had or was it heavily dependent on the grades that you got when you're studying or maybe a little bit of both? To be honest, I'd actually put in the pointers from your videos where a lot of your hard skills and soft skills are important as a mining engineer. So we are engineers, we work with softwares, we work with machines, but we also deal with a lot of people. So your first job or second job would probably be more affected by your grades and what kind of projects you have taken. But you go some time, I realized that it's more about connections as well as what kind of people and projects and what kind of interactions you had while you were working. So in my earlier phase of career, I would say that it was more around the projects or the grades which I had, but in due course of time, it is more to do with what kind of relations I have and what kind of technology you're working in and what kind of demand that has in the market. Okay, yeah, so it seems very recent, my experience in Canada where if you're in maybe your first and second year, because you know, everyone doesn't really have much mining experiences, it's more about the grades, but then afterwards, once you got that first internship under your belt, then it's all about the experiences that you have and where you work before the people that you know. Okay, and so what was your first job like? I guess going from a student to engineer, what was that experience like? Did you find it hard to adapt to that new job? Because like I know from transitioning from a student is you're working a lot of theoreticals, but then going to the workplace, it's like a whole completely different thing, right? Wondering if it's the same experience with you? Yes, I completely agree with you, Kwan. And a lot of students who actually get into mining engineering, sometimes it's because of the salary and sometimes the adventure which it entails is going to different places. But we often forget that mining is a lot more like offhand job where you would be having a lot of experiences, especially moving from a student life to professional life. A lot of deadlines which you stick to, you have to stick to, things change. It's a 24-hour operations, most of the mines. My first job, interestingly enough, I learned a lot was a Greenfield project. So it was like a completely new land lease taken. And I started, interestingly, with the survey on the surface and like dabbling into different kinds of projects out there, setting up the inventory and setting up the logistics at some point of time, being the under manager, ultimately, when I put the job at that underground hard rock mines. It was a different experience because even when you join a job, you're expecting probably a 9-5 or 12-hour shifts. But when you're working in a Greenfield project, time or schedule, the shifts kind of actually do not matter. What matters is that the job has to be done. And that actually helped me realize as to what is a strong point for me and what are the places where I need to work. So the first job, all in all, helped me not just technically increase my knowledge about the softwares, but also helped me realize how you manage the team to get the job done. So it was interesting, yes, that's for sure. Now that first job you had, did you say you were a manager? Yes, so I started as a graduate trainee, but since it was a Greenfield project and you being among those few who went through the whole process of the life where it started from the first portal to the first production or, so it was easier for me to grow through the process organically. I ended up, yes, so I ended up being the under manager and luckily I always say best to all the mining students who talk to me is that your experience of having experience at the ground level, like working with the development crew or working with the production crew, helps you a lot to understand what you're designing for. So even when you work as a mining designer or a drill and blast engineer, it's easier to forget the limitations of the machines or the underground space, for example. So it was a good experience in that sense. Coming back to another topic which I truly believe is very close to me is that due course of time, we often have to realize that at some point in your career, you would be growing towards an office job. Before that, as a mining engineer, I would highly suggest everyone to take those fly and fly out jobs or go to that small town, probably go for hiking in your off time, but do experience that on field, working with operations. So yeah, I feel that that really helped me growing into my career. I see. And for I guess your life outside of work, you mentioned that you grew up in mining towns, but when you were a student, were you in a big city and then for this first job, this green field job, I'm assuming has to be a mining town, was it hard to adapt to your new life location? Luckily enough, when I during my childhood, I honestly lived in mining towns, but throughout my career, I have never lived in a mining town. Apparently, my first job was literally 10 kilometers away from a decent sized city. My second job, when I switched my job to underground soft rock, I came and started living in another city, which was again, like 10, 15 kilometers from a decently sized city. Even when I did my internship in a Shell long term tailings planning, I got a chance to live in Calgary rather than Fort McMurray. And even after that, when I joined Eureka, I was based from Delhi. So involved a lot of traveling to different sites, but was based from Delhi. And even now I moved to Sudbury, which is apparently known as the mining town in Canada. You have a lot of towns around plus it's just three hours from Toronto. So all in all, I won't say that I have lived that mining town, small mining town life. But I have seen my friends around the world who have experienced that. And it's always a compromise. You have to realize what you're looking for. If you're an outdoorsy guy skiing, hiking, trails, it's a definite go-go. But at the same time, if you want to have a balance, I'd suggest a fly and fly out or seven day in, seven day out or 14 days in, 14 days out kind of works. Sometimes 14 days in operations is too long. But then you have to see at the pros of it. The best part is that you have 14 days to yourself living in any city in the world. So yeah. And especially before COVID, like traveling would be so fun, so much fun. For now, COVID may make things a little bit, the situation is a little bit different. But yeah, in general, yeah, that's like one of the best things about working on shift. Honestly, I have friends who before COVID used to work up north and they used to choose 14 days and 14 days out. But as one of your friends, you have mentioned in one of the videos, they traveled to Italy, they had their houses in Europe. And so they used to travel from Europe. So like I think at that point of time, sky is the limit, whatever you want to do. Okay. So let's talk about your journey about moving and studying at UBC. So I guess there must have been a point in your career. You said you thought about like, I want to advance my career and getting a master's degree was the best choice or best way to do that. Can you talk a little bit more about your decision to get a master's degree? Sure. So as a lot of a lot of my colleagues or friends there for them, it was to advance their career in terms of degree as to sometimes you need that specialization. For me, it was more to know as to like, what should be my specialization in the sense where do I want to specialize in the mining operations and what kind of job I want to take. So with that in mind, I applied in UBC and I applied in McGill. In hindsight, I think about it Eastern Canada has a lot more budget fees for underground mining as compared to the Western Canada. And I more or less started to actually specialize in operations in underground hard or soft rock. So at that point of time, I would say it was more determined by the fact that I want to explore more and more roles. So my master's was more towards mineral economics, because that was something which attracted me being the under manager at some point of time in one of the mines. You want to know the economics of all the operations so that it can set up the priorities on a day to day or a quarterly basis. But later on, it was a stroke of luck that I ended up being a blast specialist, which helped me move all around in different types of job. So that's how it started with applying in UBC. But having said that, it was a fairly smooth process with the application, a standard interview with the program manager. And going on from there, you obviously have to collect your transcripts. You have to see whether your educational background actually goes hand in hand with the country where you're moving into. So all that process was done. And I would say that it was a fairly smooth process of me moving into my master's after my second job. Right on. Okay, so you mentioned you considered Canada and UBC and McGill. But so a lot of my viewers ask Canada versus Australia, which is better. Have you ever considered working or moving to Australia? Definitely. It is always an option for mining engineers. I think Canada and Australia are the heavens or the two heavens for mining engineers. And one of the points which I thought coming from India was that Australia is a lot closer to my home country. But at the same time, we have to realize as to what opportunities you're looking at. For me, trying to think of different job opportunities in underground mining. Interesting fact was if you're working in a hot country, and if you're working underground, it's a lot more hot as compared to if you're working in a cold country and underground, where the temperatures are still controlled. That was one of the reasons. Another reason which brought me to Canada was that my family had eventually moved to North America. So it was easier for me to be closer to my family. Another important factor, last but not the least, I would say is that trying to do your studies in Australia is a little more expensive as compared to Canada. So you might have to think about what kind of finances you're carrying. So anyone who is coming, say, for example, from China, India, Africa, and even a few of my friends came from the Middle East would be to consider your family. What do you want to do after you finish your studies? And what kind of finances you're looking at? And what can you handle in terms of that? Yeah, that's a very good insight into finance. And I like the part especially what you mentioned about the temperature for underground mining. I haven't done it underground mining, but I can imagine just working in that super hot condition all the time. It's going to be very strenuous. And then I want to ask a little bit more about specifically UBC versus McGill. Was there something that swayed you to UBC in particular? When you're applying for from a different country, it's difficult to realize as to where the job markets are saturated or where you would find an opportunity. What you come up at that point of time is what university is basically recommended or what kind of rankings you get, not just at the university level, but also at a department level. Seeing all that, I had the offers from both universities. I felt that it made more sense for me to go to a more recognized, I would say, in terms of what all universities, people back in India know about, rather than going for a university which I do not have a good knowledge of the background. So that catapulted me towards UBC. The second thing which was a big influence is that UBC has this outreach program where the professors move around the world and go to universities around in the countries where most of these applicants come from. So I had had the chance to actually sit in one of those conferences or meetings where professors from UBC had shown up. So it was also an inclination factor as to what kind of courses you can take, what kind of majors you can do. So that all these pointers actually pushed me towards UBC rather than McGill. I see. Okay. And in terms of finances, a lot of my viewers asked me, are there scholarships for people going to UBCs, especially for international students? Can you talk more about the financing aspect of a master's degree, specifically at UBC? Right. Yeah. So I would actually point out my brother also came to US to do his master's in petroleum and he got a full scholarship. So there is a difference between you do a master's of engineering or you do a master's of science. So with master's science, you're highly dependent upon the lab which you're working for or the professors because they help you get your scholarships and also sometimes help you with your day-to-day expenses. With master's of engineering, that's not a part and it is mostly directed towards people who have some kind of experience. So you definitely need to plan for the whole mining like the master's period tuition fees. But at the same time, I never applied for a scholarship. I never got one. I never actually tried to get a research assistant position at the university. One of the reasons being that I felt it's more important for me to reach the market and be more hands-on. I was more dependent upon my savings and also the loan which I took a study loan. And I knew even at that point of time that as soon as you have finished your studies, there will be a time when you can pay it back. So that never occurred to me that finances could be an issue. But having said that, it is one of the major ratios for people coming from Africans in India and I would completely say flat on that you should not be worried about what's going to happen and how would it be paid back. You should more cling on to the fact that you are getting into a good course. You're trying to learn as much as possible and you're trying to build on on the network when you go to those countries. Because coming to a new country, trying to penetrate a new market, you have to focus more on what's next, rather than how would you come back and pay the tuition fees. Because in hindsight, it took me about six months to finish off my tuition debt, which someone coming down would be thinking would be like probably clinging to them for a year or two. So tuition fees, especially in Canada or Australia, should not affect. It's funny because I just in the previous question said that Australia, you have to pay more as compared to Canada in terms of studies. But down the line, I realized that that should not be the choice factor for your course when you're coming to a country. Yeah, I guess like relatively two, for example, degrees in the US both Canada and Australia are relatively cheap and paying your loans after six months after graduation. That's actually pretty fast. So congrats on that. Thank you. And so I sort of forgot what I was going to ask. Yeah, I was going to ask about the postgraduate work placement program and the visa associated with your degree. So you went through, I think you finished your degree in two years, is that correct? Yes. Okay, so yeah, go ahead with the question. Sorry. Yeah, I was just going to ask once you finish your studies, do you automatically get the two years of like the postgraduate work placement? Are you talking about after the master's? Yeah. Okay, so my master's was a little more extended than the usual masters of engineering that had more to do with me trying to figure out again what I want to specialize in. I'd also had to do with my internship, how long your internships go on. All these factors are also affected by the visa. So I was kind of lucky again with my visa. Usually you get the study permit for the duration of the course. And people have to separately apply for internship visa. But for me at the port of entry, I got both of them in my hand, even when I didn't know as to what does this internship visa mean. But having said that, if you're a student, you're coming in, you will typically get the study visa for the period. And then you have to apply for an internship visa once you have an internship in your hand. During my two years courses, I would say that it was more or less affected by the length of my internship. But after the master's was over, it was all to myself to apply for positions. Interestingly enough, you would see it was at that point of time, Canadian market was going through a downturn from the Lehman Brothers fallout in 2009. So instead of just applying throughout Canada, I started applying internationally because we have to realize that after a master's degree from UBC, it is an international degree. We are not just regulated by like, as a fresher, you know, you're not regulated by any sort of exam. And that made me land into the job as in Borica. But for a lot of people, it would be around applying to different jobs within the country or the region itself. And there comes, if you're applying in Canada, and I can definitely say this, moving to offices, meeting the managers of the companies where you want to work with does help a lot of my friends at that point of time, a face to face before COVID interactions and dropping in your resume does help. So there was no sort of any structured way to get a job. But at the same time, there are many people who have done that. And it is a vicious cycle. You're coming out of studies, you don't have any regional experience, but more people interaction does help in securing that first job. Totally agree. And would you happen to know, let's say graduate from UBC, and then how long of a period do you have to get a job before your student visa expires? Or does it expire right away when you graduate? So the student visa is say, for example, if you have a two year course or 24 months, you would get it for 24 months or so. But it is automatically a part of the immigration process that you have. If you have studied for two years, you automatically get a three year work visa. So as soon as you finish your studies for two years from a recognized university, and that is very important for all the audiences that it has to be a recognized university with a recognized degree, which they have in the immigration list, you can apply and get your three years work visa. And that three year work visa, whether you work for a full time mining company, that's what's called a B level job in Canada, or you work at a part time store, it does not matter. That gives you the window where you can apply to different positions and try to figure out what you want to do next in terms of your career. But the whole process was pretty smooth for me. I had to extend my study visa because I extended my master's a bit. But as soon as I finished my graduation, I applied for my work visa, had it for three years. And then it goes on as to whether you want to get into Canadian job or you want to go out. So you have everything settled down. One thing I would add to this is that once you get a job, it's much easier to switch from the work visa towards permanent residence if you're thinking of settling down in that particular country for a longer period of time. Okay, I see. So and you also did a co-op during your master's, is that correct? Yes, so Masters of Engineering is a little different from Masters of Science, as the name suggests, Masters of MNG what we call is more industrial based. So it is more in time towards you trying to get an internship where the university does help and there's a few of the job fairs which happen at the university. But at the same time, these internships help you to make good friends, have a decent networking with people in the industry and also to know as to whether the job and work-life balance I should say does it suit you or not. So I have a few friends who would definitely attest to this fact that working in different regions around the world in mining has different work-life balances. So you have to first know that as well. So it does help. During my internship, I would say that I flew with whatever was thrown towards me and it was pretty interesting and honestly it would be an coincidence that we both almost did the same kind of internship at that point of time. So probably not for the audiences but you and I know as to internships could be sometimes a bit busy but it was interesting to have different challenges. Yeah let's dive a little bit more deeper about the co-op program at UBC. So I've been through it so I know a little bit about it but from a master's candidate perspective can you just briefly go over what that process is like like how do you get into the UBC co-op program and then once you get into it sort of the fees and how you land a co-op job afterwards? Sure so it was probably around six, seven years back. So the process once you actually register for the UBC co-op program it is pretty structured. They help you go through a lot of soft skill training. They help you work with your resume which did help me a lot and the same time also help you prepare for interviews and stuff. A lot of the companies who come in for hiring co-op students they start with a quantitative test and then go into the soft skills with interviews and stuff. One point of which did really help me and I would say that it's going to help anyone who's getting into any interview is that once a question is asked what any company is looking for is like what was the problem statement and what you did to actually solve that issue. So giving the full cycle of things does help the interviewers as well. All these small things UBC co-op program did help me. During the internship period you have to be paying a minimal amount I think it was $400 Canadian dollars through every semester which you're doing an internship. The UBC co-op program while registering I would say you go with the resume work with a team. You work with a team for your interview preparation and you also go through the UBC co-op program manager and trying to understand what your interests and specialties are. So that's what I remember from six or seven years back but I would say that there'd be a few things which would have changed between me doing it and now how it things up. Yeah it's a possibility all changes. You mentioned something about the resume was very helpful so I actually sometimes get people sending me the resumes students from India and I noticed it's actually quite different than the Canadian resume format. Can you speak a little bit to what you think the key differences are between an Indian-style format resume versus a Canadian-style resume? Definitely so the Indian style resume is more structured around what you have done in qualitative sense. The formats it's very subjective as all of us would have gone through say for example an Ivy League resume format but even there you have different options but the basic sense or essence of every profile which you have worked on would end up in India's for example as what you did. What I realized during my resume coaching period was that say for example I have supervised a team it would be better to know as to how big the team you managed, what were the challenges you faced and what you did which was exceptionally well or different from others who are actually applying. So if I supervised a team of 400 people how I tackle a problem and how I was able to achieve something which was say for example expected or was a big achievement for the team. So you could see if you go through my resume that most of my statements are well it's not updated right now in the last couple of years because I've been working in the same company but you would more focus towards what was the target, what you achieved and what was the best part of that achievement. So it should be a full cycle as I always say and that is also part of the interview because a person who's going through a resume in a three second or five second period it is important to know as to what every line means in terms of what you achieved. The other important factor which I realized at some point of time was when you open a resume and most of the resumes are either in a hard format or it's open on a screen when it goes through interview or HR. The first thing which they look at our resume is right at the center so when you open your A4 resume something which comes right in the middle is something which they go through a study in that three seconds. So anything which is right at the center should be the most important achievement which you have done in the last period or so. So these small things for example with resume did help and how you prepare for an interview. So yeah that's there. Awesome thanks for those tips. Another question I want to ask about is what was the experience like living in Canada. So you've been in three cities Vancouver, Calgary and now Sudbury. For me I found Vancouver to be quite an easy city to settle in because there's a very diverse ethnic populations so I imagine like for people that are from India it'll be easier for them to settle in because there's already quite a big Indian population in Vancouver and then you did your co-op in Calgary. Can you speak more to about like how we're able to tap to the different lifestyles to climb it. Like for me I found when I moved from Vancouver to Calgary for the first time it was super cold. I wasn't used to it for the first few months. Can you just speak to some of your experiences regarding those things? Sure. So just for the audiences I've moved around a lot. I've had opportunities to be in different countries and like go through a project and stuff. With Canada it's a little different because you see a lot of Indian immigration population in many different cities. Sudbury is not an exception. You would see a lot of Indian community here as well. The difference I would say that Vancouver was a lot easier going as compared to say for example Toronto but the communities are still there. Just to point out a fact, yes moving towards eastern Canada is a lot more cold or centre of Canada but then again we often forget that Vancouver has a lot of rain so you get used to being in a wet condition for most of the year. So every city I would say has different challenges in terms of weather. You have to be prepared in a different way. For example even now traveling by road to northern Canada you need to have different safety precautions that you have to take. In terms of being in a different culture or as a mix of culture I would say that the more the merrier. Chances of meeting people from different culture has always intrigued me. That has always been there with I would say age. You do realise that you have to settle down at one point. Even now my first preference was to do a flying flyout from Vancouver to where I was working right now but moving into Sudbury and during the Covid period although not the best time to actually explore a town or city I started liking the place and this is what I have realised with most of the people that when they come down to a region they want to stick to that because it's more comfortable but my suggestion would be try to explore more and more regions because you'll find something good bad and something really ugly about the towns and that would help you realise in due course of time is this the place where you want to settle down. So it has been a mixed experience whether it's Vancouver, Toronto, most recently Montreal as you would have known. So I have good and bad memories from all the places and I would say any town could be a good town to settle down. It will all depend upon what opportunities you have and what kind of community you are sharing your time with. Yeah I would agree like Canada is such a big country, literally second biggest country on earth so there's lots to explore and every place has their own unique perks that they offer. Now I want to move on to talk more about your experiences working at Orca. We bounced back between India and Canada for working at Orca. I'm just curious so I know in Canada there's the PNG where you need to work a certain amount of time period before you can register to become a professional engineer. So just wondering what your journey looks like for that or maybe you didn't do that because there's a separate professional organisation in India that maybe you wanted to enroll in. So just wondering can you speak more about your journey as an engineer? Sure. So it's quite interesting a lot of people have asked that question then why haven't you done your PNG yet. I've been thinking about it now because I might be settling down now especially after this COVID period but it had more to do with so apparently just before that I want to talk that every big country where you have mining has some kind of a professional degree. So PNG it is in Canada and says to some extent the same thing in Australia. We have a second class and a first class mining engineering certificate back in India. I never was interested in that even back in India. The reason being I was always a globetrotter so I wanted to roam around. I didn't know as to which country I would settle in. Coincidentally it's happening now so I think about getting my PNG pretty soon. Talking about being or working in Orica I had the opportunity to move through I think at least five to six countries because of job in around more than 300 cities around the world. So it's been an interesting experience trying to take underwater blast to moving to defence projects to caverns and cave blasting to urban construction blasting. So all in all I would say my experience with Orica has been pretty good. I had no SAR experiences yet. It's been four and a half years now. Even now I would say anyone who is moving to a different region or a country for all the audiences I would suggest it has more to do with where you want to settle down because every country would have different set of professional certificates which you want to do but it has more to do with where you want to settle down. So if you've decided this is going to be your spot so you should go through all the professional degrees or professional certificates. In my case as I said I'm just now realizing that probably I will be settling down in Canada but who knows. So yeah for COVID hopefully to end soon they could change things travel plans. So Vivek we're reaching the end of our interview we've covered a lot of things we went through your experiences starting with being in IIT and then postgraduate jobs moving to Canada to study UBC living in Canada and job at Orica. Do you have any last words of advice to people who are especially from India? Most of my viewers are from India and they want to do masters in Canada or just work in Canada. Do you have any last words of advice for those people? Sure. So I have just two advices one be fearless because mining engineering if you would have gone through cons videos you would see that gives you a opportunity to move around and see and have different experiences. Try to have it before your age actually stops it. So don't think about the consequences now think about what you want to do as a mining engineer or just as a plane engineer and the second advice I would give is that give time to whatever specialization you're getting into because I have seen a lot of people jumping and dabbling between different professions. It does not help you in long term because it gives the employers an idea that what your mind is focused on so these would be my two advices has helped me a bit. I've made a few mistakes during this course but all in all I'm satisfied and I believe that anyone who has gone through the process would be having the same feeling. So that's from me. Awesome thank you Vivek. So if the audience have more questions are you open to letting them contact you and if so what's the best way for them to reach out? Sure thanks a lot for the for the discussion Juan and for the audiences they can connect with me on LinkedIn. My profile is by the name of Vivek Sena. I do look a handsome person in my LinkedIn so you'd be able to recognize me I think. Apart from that I would say if you have any questions you can throw in on my email id that's vivek17sena at gmail.com and I'll surely try to help whoever I can in whatever capacity I can. Awesome Vivek. Well on behalf of me and my audience thank you so much. We dropped a lot of great advice and just thank you so much for coming on and sharing your life experiences. I truly appreciate it so thank you very much Vivek. Pleasure is mine. Thank you. Thank you Juan.