 moment there we go now we're recording so as always I'm recording and you should see on the screen our our agenda for the for the hour and to sort of kick things off here's our antitrust slides so please review that and the upshot of course is it's all about being a good person so and if you need to dig into that a little bit more feel free to do so what I what I'll ask is if someone might take notes for the hour and these are just simply high level notes of things that we think are generally important oh and I hear crickets here so I know Wendy's done this before I believe Jeff has taken notes before so they're off the hook nobody am I gonna I'm driving I'm driving can you're who else is driving otherwise flying conducting heavy vehicles well I would I'd volunteer put my hand up I can do it for the first 45 minutes after that all right you you got it Steven thank you so much how's that for an easy sell all right and just just very very high-level topical and then shoot shoot me an email at the end of the hour or whenever you're back in an office okay with that out of the way again thanks for joining us and I do know we have at least one new person on the call this morning I'm just doing a quick scan at the list here and yeah and so I think Alicia is is our sort of our new member today often we have new members on the call and so sure enough today would be an example Alicia you want to talk a little bit about yourself sure good morning so my name is Alicia my background is nursing but I have done a lot of different things in healthcare from working with employers hospitals billing so I have a really good picture about everything occupational health so I've always been interested in technology and I've always been interested in entrepreneurship so right now I'm volunteering with a nonprofit here in Seattle that is called Seattle health innovators and the function of this group is a nonprofit helping startups understand the health care system and I'm volunteering for that right now so I participate and I go to a lot of the conferences that have to do with and try to get involved in anything that has to do with health care and improving the system yeah and Alicia and I have worked together through Seattle health innovators and her real interests and skill is in the payor space and I mentioned that because Ravish is on the call and Ravish happens to lead our our pair subgroup and so Ravish you may have a potential new member to work with and so Ravish will go through updates for the pair subgroup in a little while and again thanks Alicia for joining us this morning and great to have you on the call yeah thank you very much sorry Luis what was the name of the nonprofit again oh and she muted but I could I can cover for her and it's Seattle health innovators okay and again thanks thanks Alicia for for for joining us on the call okay anyone else on on the call that's new or would just like to introduce yourself as we as we move forward already oh well oh good morning yeah okay I don't see my name on the list but but I know I'm in the meeting yes good morning morning sorry for joining a little bit late yeah so I do have a blockchain for digital health company and I've been meeting joining some of these meetings on and off I'm a little bit under the weather today so we'll not talk a lot but I'll try to participate in it in any any way I can so we're basically working on using the blockchain to store both identity and medical records and we are working with local universities here in Miami to write a grand proposal for a specific use case that involves telemedicine antibiotic resistant excellent outstanding and and Patricia I was on a an interesting webinar I think it was either yesterday or day before and there was a gentleman from UC Davis that was on the call and he's doing something very similar to what we're doing here in Seattle which sounds very similar to what you're doing down in Miami and what I'll what I'll do is I will forward you the link to that presentation and and you can sort of parse that and decide whether that sounds interesting to you and I'm due to follow up with this gentleman gosh his name escapes me now I believe it's Michael something but he's out of UC Davis down in California so I'll just make a note to myself yeah so you see Davis and yeah and I'll send you the link to that presentation it was an excellent presentation it was on blockchain in the health care space and one of our local folks here in Seattle David holding from Microsoft spoke and of course David spoke here with this group a couple of months ago and he's a great speaker very well understanding of blockchain technology in the in healthcare and and he's he's a great resource for us to have here in the Seattle area okay well perfect all righty so moving on so community announcements so I was contacted by hyper ledger leadership I think was yesterday maybe to before we are they are planning for the HIMS 2020 conference which is happening next year March if you might recall hyper ledger and the healthcare SIG particularly are represented at the HIMS conference and that was we started that about two years ago and most recently myself and then Dennis Kozen were at the HIMS conference this year I was represented in the hyper ledger group and it was phenomenal because this year was really the first year that we got an awful lot of traction in the blockchain technology space in healthcare in large measure because two years ago was really the first time anyone at the conference even knew about blockchain I think it really has hadn't entered into the lexicon at that time and so we're planning early this time around because what we're really looking to do is develop a little what I would call a more robust approach to to having hyper ledger represented in the healthcare space and the idea would be to perhaps develop a panel so we could have panel discussion at the HIMS conference next year and so what we're what we're asking membership and I'm I probably will also send this out as a separate email to the full the full HCC membership as well but what we're looking for are people who would have an interest in speaking about their experiences of using blockchain technologies in the healthcare space at the conference and again the thinking is and this is very very high-level thinking at the moment whether we have a panel discussion whether we have separate presentations whether we do this in a forum at the last HIMS conference we had basically it was a full-day event that was immediately preceding the conference where it was all about blockchain and I can I know Dennis and I participated in that and it was very good and so we're looking to try to reprise that again this year if you happen to be interested let me know either send me an email or contact me over on rocket chat and I will put your name on the list and we will start to to sort of convene meetings through the leadership team to think about how to develop this this this idea of having a more robust presence of hyper ledger at the HIMS conference right now that what they're asking for is a deadline for proposals in mid-July that's what that's what I'm being told and honestly I think that's a little bit premature but that's that's what that's what I have up there right now so that's kind of the the time frame we're looking at again I think that's you know just personally me I think that's a little bit a little bit too soon but so anyway so anyone happened to be offhand interested in this it's a great opportunity okay all right yes yeah go ahead since since Tara might be okay so so Ken are you are you partisan Tara oh yeah now I am okay and I think you know and the reason why I asked is I think Centera was represented at the webinar two days ago so I reckon my brain on that one yeah okay yeah also at the last at the last HIMS my CISO was up on the panel oh and and I think it was Mike CISO that was at the webinar so his name isn't very familiar oh good yeah a small world all right yeah it's all connected and and I thought I might have heard someone else comment okay oh perfect all right thank you Ravish good good good okay moving on so just last night just yesterday the Hyperledger team announced Hyperledger Transact and that it's it's effectively a smart contract engine I posted the the sort of the the announcement here and I wanted to just pass along to to the group this morning only because it's a it's a brand-new brand-new tool it's it's really another suite of tools that we would use for for developing blockchain solutions the purpose of Transact will be to develop really sort of an abstract smart contracts what they're calling smart contracts engine and that will allow us to run sort of agnostic against the the blockchain DLT and what's really interesting about this is the excitement is really sort of cycling around the notion that it'll run across EVM it'll run across you know disparate DLT's and so it just got announced yesterday I wanted to pass that along and just for those of us that tend to focus on the more technical stuff this is a great tool and what I'm seeing and this is just from my personal take on it is more recent hyperledger tools and frameworks are tending to be more sensitive to frameworks outside of sort of the hyperledger greenhouse which is phenomenal and that really includes Ethereum as Ethereum is probably the the other large DLT framework that's out there so do you have any questions please let me know and if you'd like to have someone speak on hyperledger Transact here within the health care cons context please let me know and I could probably set something up okay and then as as many of you know we've had for for number of months Michelle and Appalene from Cambridge they've been developing a global blockchain benchmarking study and they contacted me I want to say about a week ago to let me know that they have now completed their work and they're now in the process of completing their report which is going to be a phenomenal report and it's really focused around production level blockchain solutions in health care and that paper that they're developing will be done they believe probably end of July and so we're hoping that Michelle will be joining us and he'll be presenting on the work that that he and his team have done over the past oh gosh it's been probably about three or four or five months so I wanted to let everyone know that thanks for for your participation if you happen to have a production level blockchain solution in health care up and running and that effort that work effort is finally coming together so we're we have fingers crossed that we'll get some feedback from Michelle after they get their paper out and they'll be presenting again my guess would be August probably August time frame or so okay any anyone else have any other community announcements that they'd like to mention things that they're doing in their community that are in any way related to blockchain technologies in health care Rich Mr. Rish I just wanted to quickly announce hopefully I'll bring up the meetup probably will send the information out over the weekend we did get agreement one from Maryland Center for Entrepreneurship and approval from the Howard County Public Development Authority for the event sponsorship regarding Hyperlegit local event so I also reached out to David and we caught the Maryland Hyperlegit meetup group started and the first event will be that event happening on July 18th from 9 to 11 30 I will share it with anyone who is in in Maryland or in around Maryland can join over the phone I will see if there is arrangement in their facilities to open up for a call I don't know yet but if that happens we will definitely open it up on the call as well but nonetheless the idea is to bring you know a bunch of community from hyperlegit perspective in person there and I'm I've already talked to them if we can do it every other month they've agreed to it so it's just a matter of working dates but that's something that is going to be happening and I will send out the agenda I will send out there are two sections that I'm planning to cover one is going to be the general blockchain discussion and hyperlegit and second is going to be focused on from their perspective already working with one of the IDC consultant who has you know published a paper around a bunch of use cases in blockchain and healthcare blockchain so I'm going to be exploring for him to come over there but nonetheless the overall from community perspective those are the two areas that we will be having discussions about I have been able to arrange the a little bit of funding from you know one of the organization who can bring in the break first so I think July 18th is happening and I will I literally got that confirmation a day I think it was Wednesday when they finally approved it and you know David created the group quickly and we are going to be sending out the advice so just wanted everyone to know about excellent well good to hear rubbish tell me again where where this is being held at this is going to be in Columbia Maryland at Maryland Center for Entrepreneurship they have a facility which is the Gateway Innovation Center I will send out details with the agenda with the location and everything and you know you can share it with the subgroup I mean the whole healthcare group in fact the healthcare community not just the first half is going to be general and second is going to be there focused I am reaching out to local pairs you know leaders who can you know come come to the event and have a real discussion excellent yeah and if you could add that post your announcement over to the rocket chat channel as well and that it will be helpful for for folks that are yes rocket chat perfect excellent thank you thank you rubbish where was that I I'm in Columbia Columbia Maryland thank you yep and and rubbish when will you know whether this is we can do call in so that for those of us that are not in on the East Coast hopefully Monday I will definitely talk to them by Monday and update everyone if the call in going is going to be available or not I am hoping to make it happen so we'll see outstanding well good and and best of luck with with your you sort of your kickoff event that sounds very exciting alrighty okay any other community announcements alright so let's move over to our subgroup updates Dennis did you want to talk a little bit about the patient subgroup yeah good morning everyone if someone has doubts about global warming he should come now to Switzerland I've heard it's quite warm today's the biggest update for all of us in Switzerland is 40 centigrade I don't know which what's in front of me wow that is that is warm are the Alps are the Alps officially melting at this point yeah many says today that they cannot work under that circumstances anyway it's a very Swiss way in Switzerland in Europe I know but we're in Switzerland where in Switzerland is French part of Switzerland but I know where are you though I am next to Weiwei do you know Weiwei Montreur no I'll be going to Switzerland in in September mid-September it's it's better time than today it's it's great so yeah I hope if you have any questions or you need support just let me know thank you welcome um we had a great meeting last week and it is wonderful that also Patricia is participating today there were some responses few responses from the from the last meetings and we decided to go with the patient data for clinical trials on blockchain and the the using THS and we complied with GDPR and it was also a great discussion all together with Fabian, Patricia and Florence Hudson which was first time in our group and she brought also very valuable information from other committees like the IEE pre-standards work in blockchain for healthcare they are developing standards and also from PHUs and his her strong intention is also building a collaboration between the groups and I think it's it's also very useful for many of us to to communicate and find out the value-added share of knowledge in order to proceed with the project with the use case and my main intention was last week to narrow this proposal patient data clinical trials and blockchain to a more specific requirements in order to define it together and also try to develop it together and we have been speaking about interfaces between the data and the blockchain hyperledger and the structure and the architecture and mainly how do we in which part we put to patient data and we have been discussing and we have we also decided to think about it till the next meeting in order to make it more concrete and Patricia will you we also like to add from your side if I'm missing something hi Dennis well I think you they're a good summary of the last meeting yeah we actually looked at different proposals that we all agreed on on the clinical trial one what we are basically we have we have we have an assignment for next time in which we studied the different aspects of clinical trial and we had to focus on one because there there are many different aspects so each one of us is looking into how we could work together maybe obviously some kind of open source solution that would help each of us in our respective you know projects so we're still we're I'm still looking at that what we left off yeah wonderful and Patrice also supporting really with deep knowledge it's very much appreciated and we are looking to next week to make it more specified and more building a block of the standardization of data and the process and I think my personal opinion or my personal experiences keeping the data before the hyper legib before the execution of the process together and we are discussing that at the moment so this is a brief summary from our sites excellent thank you Dennis sounds like it's coming together very nicely and I'm and again I'm very glad that that's you're you've taken over this group because I I'm starting to see good momentum and a good cadence building up so thank you so much for that and thank you Patricia as well for participating excellent it's very very exciting yeah the team support was great and we will do together as a team and your next your next meeting is when next week Friday perfect so so patient subgroup meets really actually opposite of this group plus one one hour if I recall or two hours two hours two hours okay and anybody in the group is very much welcome to participate and as we are just in the initiation phase we can we can we can do together and look into the next meetings for the more effective work outstanding very very exciting time thanks again Dennis okay Ravish you want to give us an update on the pair subgroup so rich unfortunately this week we were not able to meet we meet every other Tuesdays now same week as this meeting from 3 p.m. to 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time and unfortunately we were not this week I had something come up and had to cancel the meeting today or this week however we are working on your two things I know we've been working on that paper and you know it comes on and off but one of things that I am really focused on is start working on the use cases and POC that's some that's that's one of the main reason I am also organizing that physical event going forward to ensure that we have engagement because a number of times what I thought I have at least observed is you know discussions are great but something physical being done and some tangible deliverables really catch up the momentum so that being said I know Jeff that being said Jeff has been a regular attendee and and some of the folks I did realize last time that there was some confusion I think we were meeting earlier weekly and the meeting was on for weekly calendar but the meeting was happening at the other so I reached out back to the the person who sent the invite and requested them to update the event on the calendar so it just reflects I suspect the attendance went down because people might have been calling the week when the meeting was not on and it might have you know caused some confusion so just trying to reset the attendance and be the schedule and that's that's what is going on okay anything anything you have to add Jeff did you want to add to that and Jeff Jeff is appears to be muted at the moment and maybe having taking a sip of coffee so so thanks rubbish for that and glad to hear that you were able to get the the schedule or the calendar updated and I think it yeah I think it's probably easier to manage every every other week rather than weekly just just from an overhead perspective as well I wonder if we wait if you'd be interested in we can probably do a put together sort of a description of what you what you guys are currently doing through the payer subgroup and we can generally generate an email out to full membership just to let let people know about your new schedule and then for those that are interested in participating to get on that schedule rather than on the weekly schedule because you may yet as you point out you may have lost members if they thought that the the subgroup was had had been disbanded if you had to buy weekly and you were still on the weekly calendar so let me know if you want to go that route and I'd be happy to help facilitate that I think that would be a good idea so if you can just share that communication that would be fabulous sure send me sort of a paragraph or two yeah and then and then we can get that out to membership fantastic thank you Ravish okay Stephen you want to talk about the the healthcare interoperability subgroup so not much has been done given riches gentle urgines I will complete some work over the weekend to provide a kickoff letter and continue work on an initial agenda and commit to getting this the interoperability subgroup started sometime this July I apologize for my my lack of agenda and my lack of time it has opened up so now I'm just struggling with finding the same momentum that led us into this initial initial thinking about the subgroup so I I hope to regain that momentum pretty quickly and then take riches advice and just kick things off and see how see how it begins to roll well thanks for that Stephen and I mean the reality is this is a really great space I think for us to be in interoperability in the healthcare space is a big issue I think we all kind of know that and with with your guidance and your sort of expertise in the area I think this is going to be a very very high growth and high visibility area and we've already heard from at least one speaker and I'm thinking of Brian from insta med and they've they've done integrations using fire and I was at a conference well actually Alicia and I were both at a conference about oh gosh I think it was about a week or so ago and you know and it was about interoperability in health care and it was all about fire and so clearly interoperability continues to be an issue and it'd be great to have you and your subgroups sort of you know sort of kind of convene around some of the use cases as they relate to interoperability it's such a tangible real issue it's great to have you sort of addressing it yeah so yeah don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of this I think a fire is a great interoperable model as far as data though goes that's where the semantics meet the road so it's really all about you know are you using ICD 10 correctly or you got CPT for it there so codable concepts and that sort of thing yeah so the yeah harmonizing that that semantic is is really not going to be what we will focus on that's for a larger more clinical group I think but we will be using the same coding solutions and well we'll I think be doing a little bit what sounds like the pivot in patient and I'm really happy to hear that this is sort of moved away from a supply chain donor milk which didn't really have anything to do with patients to something more about clinical trials and how people provide consent management to their data and all those other really great things which are really how data is going to be shared not just in a blockchain but how it's going to be made available by people to participate or to make their data available and anonymous and maybe not so anonymous ways anyway yeah great great to hear that's happening and we'll definitely try to bend it here to more of those discussions okay well excellent well good definitely keep me posted and then when we're ready to when we're ready to launch I really expect to see some really good momentum here so thanks again for your work this far and looking forward to the future okay so let's do a pass on a round on updates for our ad hoc teams and generally speaking ad hoc teams tend to tend to focus around topics of interest and they oftentimes kind of grow into a subgroups that they tend to meet more regularly so right now and this is sort of an ongoing issue we're we're always in sort of this this sort of wiki redesign space as most people know we sort of moved from an older wiki to confluence which is what we're looking at today and I'm always always it seems to be a thing for me looking to find people that have expertise in in confluence of the wiki and sort of a general design sort of expertise as well and so if you if anyone on the call has you know that that's sort of understanding of how to use confluence and really enjoys design please let me know in fact this issue is not just for this SIG but it tends to be something at a much broader level that we're talking at a leadership level and and again this is really an appeal to find a good resource to help sync up all SIGs and working groups so that we have sort of common look and feel and the real value to that is so that members and again we continue to have new new members coming in we are growing at a phenomenal rate coming into the community and so we're looking for a way to synchronize look and feel across all SIGs and all working groups and so you know this is just an ongoing issue so if you happen to know anyone or you happen to be someone that has interest in design and have expertise with confluence please let me know okay moving forward so the academic research team led by Adrian Berg I reached out to Adrian earlier in the week and he is sort of on a quasi oh gosh not a vacation but a just the word just like anyway he's been out for the past couple of months and so he's just getting back into this swing of things so I would imagine we'll be we'll be spinning up the academic research team again when as Adrian gets on back online but the gist of that is to develop some some expertise around process for making blockchain technologies more relevant within a health care context by way of peer reviewed journals and and and sort of aggregating some of the research that's been done thus far in this space and to that to that extent Wendy has done a great job with her sort of research efforts in sort of aggregating those white papers those are up on our wiki for those that are interested a phenomenal resource and and thanks to Wendy for that and this is probably a good segue to move over to our use case development team which is being led by Wendy and I see Wendy's on the call so when do you want to give us an update on where you're at with that sure hello everyone I have a quick update to something that Rich just mentioned so the frontiers in science has created a new journal called Frontiers in Blockchain for Science that just kicked off today I was named as one of the associate editors and so we believe that this is going to be a fantastic forum to advance academic research for blockchain and so keep looking for that journal and if anyone has a strong scientific and review background I'd love to talk to you going on to the use case development team this has been slow gaining traction we have four additional well five members of our team and I see Patricia on the call thank you so much for participating in this use case group and we're just waiting for one more team member to provide his availability in our doodle poll and Ken if you can give Ray a little nudge I would appreciate it because he's the last person we're waiting for and it looks like we will schedule our first use case meeting for July 9th or 11th excellent thank you thank you Wendy and as far as that sort of a new academic research component goes and the work that you're doing congratulations on on your involvement in that and if there's any way for us to help facilitate sort of that that getting the information out to membership here I'd be happy to do so we can maybe generate an email out to full membership if you think that's appropriate yeah that's fantastic the editor in chief Sean Mannion sent out an email and LinkedIn post this morning and so I can forward to you that information so that you have it and yes by all means we would want the full membership to be aware that this is a fantastic new outlet for updating the academic literature outstanding and this this falls very closely in line with the academic research team that Adrian's been exactly so we may want to find a way to pivot or to collaborate or you know what will work those issues out sounds good thank you any this is very outstanding and thanks so much for your efforts on this in this area this is really something that we've you know we've talked about for a very long time and so I'm happy to see all this stuff is sort of coming together in large measure by your hand so thank you so much for sharing that I also wanted to give a shout out to Erica beerbower she and I are also working on some academic literature with Kevin Klosson and I am madly writing a paper and for a publication deadline of July 22nd and my primary focus is on regulatory compliance of uses for blockchain in clinical research and it goes in depth into the OHRP FDA and HIPAA regulations on many different touch points relating to regulatory compliance outstanding oh very cool very exciting interesting stuff too okay well thank you Wendy again very very exciting area and and again a very high-growth growth area and I gotta imagine that we've got an awful lot of folks in membership that would be interested in and sort of being more enlightened in this space and so yeah let's let's find a way to get the word out okay so so moving on so we don't have any old business per se but I do have a couple things that I wanted to talk a little bit about and we do have a special report coming from Dennis but so first off and this I just learned about just a couple of days ago and apologies for catching this kind of late in the cycle but we do have a periodically and for folks in the government space there are things called what I refer to as Sibbers and Sitters or SBIRs or STTRs and those are really aimed at small businesses and these are government grant opportunities and funding opportunities STTRs or oh gosh small business technology transfer I don't know what the R is I forget and Sibbers are gosh I can never remember that but they're all aimed around small business Sibbers generally speaking SBIRs generally speaking are for small businesses to to develop a solution standalone whereas an STTR usually a small business will work with an academic institution and that collaborative effort is lends itself to the grant application so in this particular instance we have a blockchain technology opportunity this is through the Department of Health and Human Services and it's in collaboration with NIH and so I'll switch over to that and so that's what we're looking at here what's really wonderful about it is their the program funding is a million dollars which is phenomenal the bad news is that the closing date is end of July so we're really catching this sort of in midstream here and so that gives folks interested in participating in this about a month to to put something together the the high level value of this is for folks that are interested in participating in substance abuse that's what SUD care is about and so if you have an interest or expertise in in substance abuse in the health care space and you have an idea about applying blockchain technologies to substance abuse this is really developed for you and again I'd be happy to help facilitate I'd be happy to put this out to full membership if you would like to drive this or you have a team that you want to put together again we can do this fairly easily as far as Sibirs and Sidders go I'm very familiar with managing these we've done these in government military in DoD I've done many many of these over the years so so the mechanism is pretty straightforward and it's just a question of convening a team sort of quick enough to be able to sort of answer that end of July due date and so and I really haven't explored the details particularly so my first question of course this being an international group is if you happen to be outside of the United States can you participate and honestly I really haven't dug too far into it but my suspicion is you as a as a foreign entity you probably could with some I have to imagine some exception anyway so I'll leave this to you if anyone's interested feel free to contact me and then we can like I said we can make use of the resources within this special interest group to put to this if you have interest in and driving this forward rich can I can I ask again I didn't get everything but I got that there was some kind of proposal or a call for founding announcement opportunity for substance abuse is that from NIDA from the National Institute of Drug Abuse yeah I believe so so if we take a look at so I'm gonna jump over take a look oh it isn't a wiki okay I can look at it okay well and the reason why I mentioned it is because you mentioned NIDA and I believe yeah so so it's it's it's actually interesting it's HHS it's also NIH and then to your point and I when I was reading this the other day I noticed NIDA so NIDA is in fact involved okay that's interesting because we wrote something that could apply but this is thank you for pointing it out I think it's a little bit late because when is the application deadline end of July yeah that's gonna be difficult and unfortunately I just found out about this literally two days ago and so it's one of these things where boy it'd be nice to you know to have that the turnaround especially with an STTR when you're working with an academic institution it takes almost forever to get you get through the approval process and so my experience is usually Sibir's small business grant options those are a lot easier to operate against because it's just you your small business and then you can kind of be in a team yeah SPAR would be best for this one yeah and and it's possible and again I haven't gone too deep on this it's possible that this particular grant opportunity is dual meaning that there is an STTR and then it branches as an SBIR as well the the company that I I heard this from I talked to them we're doing a consulting thing we and I talked to them earlier this week they were of the belief that this was also released as an SBIR so but I didn't find that information but they they were of the belief that it was so the real the real issue honestly is that you know you have to have something turn around by end of month July which this opened up I want to say in in May June time frame so these never seem to have a whole lot of time for you to operate against but yeah one month is difficult unless you know you as a as a company are already sort of poised in this area and working in this area actively so right so that's interesting we are and this would be fantastic it would be a good fit with the project that I'm currently working on for the unit uniform services family health plan which consolidates data from six different health providers so yeah I'll be in touch and did you say this isn't you you think this is a silver but you only have the sitter yeah right so so you know Steven if I were you I would probably drive this a little bit more so the way that it was described to me it was passed over to me I want to say on Wednesday I think my meeting and they had they had asked if I could be if I could participate in this and I said well you know my read on this is this is an STTR which means you have to have academic involvement which is honestly a headache unless you know you really have those relationships well established and they went oh gosh that's a problem and then one of their team members said oh but it appears to also be released as an SBIR as well as a cyber so if but but I didn't see any information to that effect when it might be diligence but it may exist out there and so you may want to sort of drive that that one to ground and if it is a cyber yeah that would be the way that I would act on this and and again it you know it does have significant funding behind it I was gonna say that's the top of the that's the top of the bar for Sivers yes yeah exactly there is there is an SBIR you call it cyber oh yeah yeah and I've been I've been told so there is one I just found it oh good good good okay if you can put it up on chat through the chat window Steven can you can you grab that out of the chat window or Patricia's can you send it over to Steven then we'll get that into the notes yep we'll publish that and I'll push push that back to this this agenda through our notes so Siver yeah absolutely a Siver would be much much easier to respond to especially given the short time frame and and you're absolutely correct Steven that it is a high ticket item and so that's what caught caught our interest initially thanks I need to ring off I've got the link from miss one dia which is gracias and I'll pass you over the notes when I when I finish cleaning them up okay thank you Steven thank you and thank you Patricia okay so moving on so really the rest of the time I want to put to Dennis Dennis was recently attended the Hymns conference in Finland so boy I tell you what an opportunity so so Dennis do you want to talk a little bit about your your experience at the Hymns conference yeah with pleasure and as I told to reach that I'm going to attend his conference in Helsinki he kindly proposed to have me the presence of hyper ledger just few information this is the second Hymns conference in Europe and the participants was around 2000 people in comparison to Orlando 42,000 people so it was much smaller scale and especially because of the location it was very much dominated with the Scandinavian organizations that has one good and one bad thing the bad thing is it doesn't really didn't really represent the whole Europe for example Switzerland in Zook Ethereum is coming and there are almost 300 different startups and almost 20% is in healthcare in Geneva etc and in Holland there are also many others but the good thing is Finland is the best EHR integrated nation in the world and I had also the opportunity to know more about the whole initiative and that was my main objective attending to the conference and just open so the Finnish healthcare system has a portal for any season who is over 18 and the name is my canta dot com and the users can access their prescriptions health and well-being data manage their living veils organ donation veils manage access to their data using consents and restrictions browse logs about access to your data act on behalf of a child aged under 10 and manage their personal health care record data so and it is used almost 25 2.5 million of users which makes the half of the population of Finland so it there is no big discussion about interoperability in Finland and on the other side there are also patients traveling to Estonia on the other side of the sea and they want to also integrate Estonia with their healthcare system with their EHR system in order to took all these things in record and consolidating and for the use of different purposes so it's very much GDPR compliant it's very much patient driving and it's very much interoperable and the thing is how do they realize that is the controversial thing because they realize it very much central plant and driven and also it took almost 30 years to come that point I had the opportunity discussing with the system architect with the managers they really want to improve the whole system also in the regional levels they started with the predictions with AI implementations it was it was a miracle in comparison to Switzerland and because in Switzerland there is an initiative for the EHR standardization standardization of the HR which is not really running because of different political discussions almost in the last five six years so it was a big good practice experience touch and feel in Helsinki and I also organized for a hyperledger six different meetings in order to present the the frame frameworks and also the initiative and it was very useful because blockchain was not really very much present in that conference very much like Rich reflected the 2018 it was correct Rich in in Hymns global in the US it was almost the same situation and the thing is there were two sessions about blockchain and it was not really deep discussed and presented and I think there will be lots of opportunities if we can organize in the future in healthcare events and conferences hyperledger will be present and another information for the key challenges for blockchain in healthcare in Europe is very much the lack of house skills and insufficient user knowledge I can also send this presentations to you guys if you want to have more deeper understanding and which vendors for blockchain technology in the healthcare ecosystem do you know 76% doesn't know any vendor or any any any framework in blockchain in healthcare in Europe so there is a big potential and opportunity to to contact with people and to inform people about the opportunities of hyperledger and what we are doing in the future in order to get also the commitment and support so it is almost three to five I can also talk longer but I don't want to take your time if you have further questions you can write me and I will come back to you with pleasure excellent thank you Dennis and so yeah if you can send that information over we can put it either out out on the wiki which I think is where we want to put it and I can also send it along to full membership if you think it's appropriate but absolutely please send that information over and that would be that would be useful and and thanks so much for your summary boy it's very interesting to hear that blockchain technologies are not necessarily fully considered yet in the healthcare space in Europe and I think yeah maybe maybe they they're just simply lagging maybe a year in this in the healthcare space which is interesting because in a lot of respects Switzerland tends to be sort of a central point for much of what happens as far as blockchain technologies go at least in the fintech space and so in financial industry and so maybe that's the disparity that we see here but thank you for your support with you with different informations information before I travel rich and David was also very much supporting thank you good good good I'm glad to hear that we were able to get hyperledger support behind your visit so excellent well good thank you Dennis all righty well so we're coming up to the very top of the hour any other last comments or thoughts before we close out for the week so our next meeting is scheduled for July 12th which is two weeks from today same time seven o'clock Pacific time and if we have no other comments or thoughts we'll close out and I'll wish you all a great weekend thanks everybody thank you likewise