 Okay, all right, it's all about tech it's all about tech so look Andrew there's this issue about Zuckerberg and we're wondering whether he He flim flam Congress and whether they're gonna do anything and If they do anything or he does anything it's going to be sufficient to give us comfort. Okay. What do you think? Well, first of all, I don't think Congress knew anything about what he does I don't I think it's so big and the amount of data and the Industry itself has moved so quickly. I don't know if Mark knows what they were doing in our reality Was he ill intended? No, I mean, I think people have been told for a long time not to share their data to know what they shared I know why I think we have a thing that nothing's ever free, right to be aware of those things So I don't I don't think it was ill intended I don't think the government is even equipped to actually find him like guilty or something like that But I do think that Like GDPR and some of the European Regulates regulations around personal information what's done with it is going to start to impact us a lot faster than it would have Had he not been called to task and taken up there to court Doesn't doesn't this all mean that we're in another place now in another chapter Where are these companies social media companies have to give us some comfort give us? Some assurance that they're not going to misuse their information Some assurance that they're not going to be running away with it and you know Getting us in trouble I think what they're going to do is how to they're going to try to find a different way to monetize what they do Which means you're going to have to pay for Facebook instead of it being free Okay, and I think that they're You know the agreement that you signed to let your data be used I think that people are going to have to be made responsible for that I think we're going to see quite a bit of pushes in that direction And I think how they mask your data is you know, it's going to be a little more anonymity around it But the data is still going to be gathered, you know regardless I mean there's just there's We're moving into the age of data data information big data is what it's all about today So and in general people have forgotten about privacy anyway when they you know provide information to with Facebook or anybody else They're saying well, I have nothing to hide. I can put this down. It's not going to hurt me And they willingly even knowing there's a risk they put their data down. Isn't that true? Isn't that what happens? Yeah, I mean I I think for sure they bit we've been conditioned right and so the the generations that have come up are Totally okay with sharing their information. I just don't know because they're young if they're aware how that information gets used And I I don't think any of it's necessarily nefarious. It's actually used by a lot of organizations to Enhance your life to make your life easy to make it less friction Frictionless as you move around the the ethernet or the internet or whatever it may be so But there are obviously cases like this where there's misinformation used against certain populations or people with certain beliefs and you know, we see the results of that so Misinformation has been around a long long time deception has been around a long long time So it's just a different way of doing it and hopefully this will bring some awareness to people About how they share that that open source intelligence world is out there. It's it's being used by a lot of people You think this is going to change the industry? Is you think it's going to call for consolidation or maybe fragmentation of some of these big companies the emergence of other companies That have a different business model and more careful with data Is it going to affect, you know, facebook really in any significant way going forward? Well, we saw that it impacted their usership, but not their earnings So I would say there's that answer anyway in the near term Will people try to find other secure ways to share themselves with groups that are closer that they know I think so I think those are sort of out there now and I think a lot of people Anonymize themselves as they go in Anyway, so it's hard to say. I mean, I wish I wish I had a lens that was that big but um, I think there's always going to be Wolves and I think there's always going to be sheep There you have it from andrew landing otherwise known as john smith Before you go tell us about your program on may 15th so we can put some word out on it Well, thank you. Yeah, I'm gonna speak at hickey. We're gonna be talking about electronic security the state of the industry Um, I've spent a lot of time this year traveling the country for different shows And I'm gonna try to bring back sort of the trends, you know, I um did about eight presentations there and sat in about 50 So there are some definite things happening in the industry that I think a lot of folks in hawaii don't get to Learn about so I'm gonna go Distill that down to the top few points about our people our processes and our products in the electronic security industry And hopefully the um, you know, I'm happy to share that hopefully it's something that the community can ingest and Find useful going forward. How do I sign up? Uh hickey.org All right, cta.org. Thank you. Andrew. Thank you, sir. We'll talk soon. Aloha. Aloha. Oh, oh my god There's Dave Stevens right over there. Look at that. It was a cornucopia of technology Right here on fort street mall. Oh So you guys just had a show together you and uh, and Andrew So can you give me a praise see about what happened conspiracy theories about dna? Really? Okay, that's that's worth After 40 years of looking they finally think they caught the the golden state killer and they used dna evidence But collecting dna evidence on commercially available dna sites that we've all been using 23 me ancestry.com And they used that to help build a profile of the gentleman that they served a warrant to and and subpoena and got Arrested and now they're gathering evidence at his house. So that was a it was big news but Now that law enforcement is using our dna to gather evidence and find people could that be abused? Last year we had on on the house of the on the floor of the house In congress the house representatives voted on the bill that they were trying to say corporations could take our dna and charge us More for medical insurance if we had a profile that said we're going to be more sick over many years So I this could be used for good and use you use for bad. So You're going to make up your mind whether or not You want to give up your dna evidence Privacy is gone. It's dead I think that donald trump said that not too long ago I completely agree. I don't think there's uh, there's no way to live off the grid quote-unquote anymore I mean even in a cave somewhere, uh, not that you'd want to do that. There's no netflix or anything So I think that it's the age of convenience and to get convenience You sign up for things like facebook and facebook is free, but you're the product. You're giving away your data, right? Are you giving away i'd be more careful at giving away my dna though? Well, a lot of us do that freely too 23 and me you want to find out your Genetic heritage I had a lot of surprises in mind So it was a real fun thing to do but now that database is out there So okay, there's a word out that uh, you're you're taking an exam or you're involved in some way in some exams Can you talk about it? Yes, yes, I am giving exams. I teach for the university of why capulani community college I teach cyber security so finals are being next week. Uh, I'm gonna have to give some tests So that now i'm not taking them Would you mind giving us some of the questions so we can get sort of familiar with the way these these tests work? Uh, no Can you talk about the curve on the test? There's no curve You heard it here on think dick. There is no curve Thank stevens kcc Aloha Okay, it's a quiet friday I always worry when I see a quiet friday On the fort street mall because I I think that everybody went home already And it's only us guys that are hanging around here a friday afternoon I feel very lonesome when I see it quiet like this It could be quiet because You know There's nothing happening. It could be quiet because it's looks like it's gonna rain But it also could be quiet because everybody's going home for some other purpose So let's walk up a little further and see what we find up here Yeah Excuse me madame Okay, all right Excuse me. Are you in a position to be able to talk to us? Okay, you're welcome. You're welcome Yes, you know, I always you can tell you want to talk to us Why don't you talk to us? We'll come around We're gonna ask you what you think about additional Tax for education Tax for education The additional tax they want to charge for education What do you think? On real property An additional real property tax for education When I want to ask you how you feel about the schools about tax about real property tax Okay And if that doesn't work I have another question too. I want to ask you so We never run out of questions here in the 4th street mall So I guess my my first question is What do you think about an increase in real property tax? Uh, in order to support the schools do we need to do that need more of it? I don't know a lot of most states do that where I grew up. That's what they do That's how they pay for school stuff not property tax. So that's true and in most states, uh Schools are handled by the county. It's not by the state It's still the tax. I mean hard and however you look at it. If you're living in that county, you get taxed Whether you count by the county or state or whatever So you'd be okay with that be okay with paying more on real property tax Own property probably have more invested in the community so Well, what about income tax? Would you take an increase in income tax? I think there's actually one happening Probably not. I'd rather have the property tax than the income tax It it's it's a tax on people who are more affluent Well, it's a tax on the piece of property that's sitting on the land That is paying for the schools My income may not sit on the land and maybe someplace else Okay, let me ask you another question, you know, we've heard a lot about tourism this year We've heard that at any one moment is Me Originally or now Oh, this is think tech away upstairs. We're a digital media nonprofit Um, so I guess I wanted to ask you, uh, you know about tourism in general Um, are you associated with the tourism industry or the hospitality? So the question I would put to you is we have a lot of tourists more than ever And we are making more money. The hotels are making more money than they ever were Um, do you think there ought to be a limit at some point? Do you think that it's too much that that the the culture is fragile? And we ought to find a place where we say no more How do you say no more tourists? Well, no more increase Oh, no more increase in in tourism How do you do that? You know, I'm asking you the question I don't have an idea either now that you yeah That's me how I would like to make, uh, a gold out of this plant. I would I'd love it, but it's not feasible So you think we're gonna let it let it let it go the way it goes a free market Yeah, what would what is natural more tourism is good for this place? Um, a lot of them anyways Okay Well, I suppose, uh, yeah, so it all comes back to tax One more question and that is uh Are you are you concerned about the relationship of the united states and china? Because china is not too happy with these tariffs and we have a trade war going on right now and it's escalating And the people in china are getting ticked off in americans when a year or two ago They were not ticked off in americans. They they were pro-american in many ways, but now Uh, there's a change happening. What do you think? I don't know trade wars aren't good for anybody usually tariffs are not good, but I mean I don't know I've yet as far as I know it had it has not been implemented We have talked about doing it and they've named something, but they haven't implemented yet. So I don't know Well, we'll see in a few weeks. Do it's probably probably not a good thing. I don't think those things are ever good Okay, maybe we'll come down and catch you again in a few weeks and follow up with you on further thoughts you might have in the interim Sure Thanks very much