 Welcome to Toffy TV, I am joined by Andy Gray. What a man, what a man. Pleasure to be, this way back. It's great to see you. I mean listen, we watch it every week on Being Sport. It's the only bit of proper pun that we get, by the way. But anyway, enough of that. Alas, you're about to be here in a minute. No, no, no. We're here for the Howard's Way film. How important in your opinion was it to make this film about that era? Well, when Rob Sloman, who produced the video and made it, came to me about five or six years ago, it must have been. And we chatted about this and he said, you know, I'm an evertonian and I'm really disappointed that you guys, that team in Howard. And his opinion, Rob's opinion, never got the credit they deserve for what it achieved. And I thought, wow, you know, I'd never really thought about it before. But when he said that, I thought, you know what, he's maybe right, because I don't think that side didn't. But more importantly, I don't think Howard did. You know, because if you say to somebody, oh, name me six great English managers, I bet they don't name Howard. That wasn't a surprise me enough. So you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Here, maybe in this area, they wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you went to London, for instance, and said to a load of supporters, name me six great English managers. And they'd go Terry Venable, Bobby Robson, you know. Harry Redman. People in there. And you'd think, well then, wouldn't it? And know how it can do? Come on. Yeah. So I think it's a terrific tribute to Howard from Rob and great work that he's done. I can't wait to see it. I've stayed away from it deliberately because I didn't want to see any of it until tonight. I'm so looking forward to seeing it. And I know Rob's a pro, and it will be a fitting tribute for Howard, I think. It's great for us to be here as players. But for me, it's more important that we honour the memory of Howard, and we can say he did that. What do you think that team, because they were as fans? You write as supporters. Apart from Evitonians, the team does fall through the cracks. I don't know why. Willeredd, and now we have a Willeredd team. But Willeredd gets spoken about. Forrest right, he's only gone to European cups, but we want to see leagues, Liverpool gets spoken about. And Arsenal after it. And it's almost like that middle bit's been forgotten by a lot of people, not by us. But what do you think that team, because of other events, do you think that team would have gone on to achieve more? Because they don't doubt that we broke up because of what happened? Yeah, the band was unfortunate. And it's nothing that we could do about that. We were the victims of the band, like every English team. No Europe for five years. At a time, when Everton arguably, I'm always going to say it was the best side ever. But I understand the Harvey Kendrick ball side. The Wonder League in the 60s was an amazing football side. But it didn't win a European trophy. I think Everton had the opportunity in the mid 80s, from 85 to 90, of competing in Europe. I think it would have won a European cup. I do. I might be biased. Don't mind that on this one. No, but I might be biased, but I do. I thought the year we won the cup winners cup, when we beat an amazing band on the next side. I mean, amazing side. And we blew them away, and that was our first year in Europe. So can you imagine how much better we would have been the next season? Going into the European cup with the additions that Howard was going to make that summer. What we'd have made is even better. And I do believe that we would have won a European cup. And it is sad that Everton never had the chance to do so, having won the title twice in the late 80s. And really got nothing for it. But you know, it's all hypothetical now. I can believe that. Others might say, no, you wouldn't have done it. But I know what kind of team we had. I played in it. And it was made to win things. Definitely. I mean, as a fan, I think we would have starved for this one. So we would have won. And you personally, if well exactly. But if that band wouldn't have come. I mean, do you think you would have stayed at Everton because we did the being more games? Probably. You know, how? Well, it would have been too good an opportunity to miss. To play in a European cup campaign. I think it would have been difficult to walk away from that. 100%. 100% difficult. You know, even though Gary came in. I still think that having been part of the team that got us the title. And got us into the European cup. Had we been there, it would have been much more difficult to walk away. 100%. Do you regret walking away? Cos I think we could have done with you in that 86s. Definitely. Even though hindsight's a wonderful thing. Yeah, of course. And they say you should never go back. And I think I've either taken more time to think about it. To absorb what Howard had said to me. I think I would have stayed. I think I would have stayed. Because going back to Mila, as I did 10 years after I joined them before. It's never the same. It's a bit like Wayne coming back here. Not quite the same. And it wasn't quite the same. No. You remember him as a teenager marodding a prudifedd. Smashing smoke in. And he comes back as a 30-year-old. And it's not the same. And I did that with Mila. But I was so upset. And I was so disappointed when Howard said he was going to sign Gary. And that I wouldn't be playing it at the beginning of the season. But I sure had just said, you know what, that's fine. Cos I had to sit and watch Incheon in Chappy. For a load of games at the beginning. The championship in the season. When they were the best two in the country. So I had to sit and watch that. And absorb that and got my chance. And when Incheon got injured, we went on and did what we did. So hindsight, probably yes, I wish I had stayed. But it's an easy decision now. It's done now. It's an easy decision now. What are you making this film? What's it like being back with all the lads again? Fantastic. Most, a lot of them I obviously stay in contact with anyway. And still see when I come back to the UK. But a lot of the guys I've not seen. And for a long time. Probably since Howard's funeral. Gary Stevens I haven't seen for God knows how long. Gary lived in Australia. He's not as like a good pop round for a cup of tea is it? So people like that. I see Trevor seeming a lot. Trevor comes over to live in Dubai. He's been a regular on being in sports for us. So I've seen a lot of Trevor. I've seen a lot of Radio Sharpie. And Gary I see quite a bit of Pat. I've seen a bit of. So I've seen a lot of the guys. But there's a lot of the guys I haven't seen for a long time. And it'd be great to catch up with them. And finally I suppose that the one sad note is that this wasn't done while Howard was still alive. Cos I think it would have been an unbelievable tribute. Well it still is. But obviously it would have been able to see it as well. Is that a big thing that you just think is sad? So 100% I wish he was sitting here with us now. Because the place would be buzzing. You know what he was like. I mean he was just a character. Great character. A lovely man. Top coach. Yes a pity he's not sitting watching with us. But he'll be watching it. He will be watching it. And as I've said before it's massive. I'm so pleased that I could be here for Howard. To pay my respects. And to acknowledge what he did for me. As much as everyone in the lads in for this club. It's something that well I'm trying to sit here and say it. I don't want to say it because you know being in Evertonian and the place where we are now. But I'm wondering if I'll ever see the likes again. That's what I'm saying. It's a long way away. And that's the shame as well. But it would be great if he was here to take a bow and say thank you. But he's not. We'll do it for him. I want to ask you about where you are. But we'll be here all night. And the big thanks. Thanks for talking to us.